The fact that he 1. Cheated multiple times 2. Did it on stream 3. Was trying to distract his opponent while in the process of cheating Tells me this ain’t his first rodeo, give this clown a lifetime ban🤡
reminds me of a guy named adam corn who is banned from life from yugioh for cheating, he got a warning for a marked card....and then got caught 3 other times. dude was a fucking douche bag
Lifetime bans are interesting. I think if he has been consistently doing this and beating players out of very important tourneys then I think a year + is valid as well as when he comes back he will always have that stain on his record. Lifetime is very harsh i haven’t been in the tcg scene for a long time but as bad scummy and frustrating as this is a lifetime seems slightly harsh
99% of people you play against won’t cheat, but it’s still just optimal to cut/shuffle your opponents deck (or cut your own) for more random draws, then when you do run across a cheater you’ll already have these habits ingrained in you and it’ll be harder for them to pull stuff off
This is not necessarily true, i have known the majority of them for years and not all of them are cheaters. Please do not generalize, witch hunting players is not ok. Eder should get a ban, but not the rest of the team, specially if there is no way to prove any cheating by them.
@@JKO1989 no, im a retired player who was active since 2009 to 2017 and played 3 worlds (1 in senior), i know the mayority of mexican players. This week Eder got kicked from the team lol, last time i tried to trash talk in a post about that time when Eder threw the promo in that judge's face, they defended him and erased my comment lol
The fact it was on camera has nothing to do with intent and on purpose. Whenever someone cheats it’s intended and on purpose, with video we just have proof he cheated.
And a friend of mine told me a story about a time he threw a promo card (geovanny 2016) to a judge, he was banned for a year, it seems that it needs a perma ban to get rid of him
He didnt get any ban, he just was intimidated by the judge and the pto, which both are also a pair of assholes lol, he technically hasnt been banned before. Not tryin to defend him tho, he definitely needs to be banned. Y ahi te va en español: nunca lo banearon, solo lo intimidó el juez al que le aventó la promo y el organizador, si llevas suficiente tiempo en el juego sabrás el nombre de ambos y tmb sabrás que los dos son tmb personas horribles jajajajaja así que no tiene ningun baneo en su historial. No lo estoy defendiendo, la cagó y ya le toca
@@masmega5 jajajajajaja claro que no! XD soy tan distraído que es más fácil que me ponga el pié yo solo. Además si quieren hacer un hilo de falacias primero pongan sus nombres reales. Hagan lo que hagan no podrán limpiar una imagen de alguien que viene haciendo lo mismo por años !!!!!
Cheaters deserve a scorched earth policy. If someone is willing to attempt to blatantly cheat on *camera* just think about how many kids / other opponents hes probably cheated out to get there. Scum.
@@alledzebu1975 bro, el tenía tienda en una de las plazas donde jugábamos, esto fue en el 2021; no he jugado desde entonces, espero que le caiga todo el peso, que lo baneen de todas formas
@@alledzebu1975 no no pasara, todos estan de su lado. Desde jueces, su team, y jugadores que llevan a;os ahi. Por eso se ha salido con la suya hacieno trampa por a;os.
Es que Mexico es el lugar donde menos jugadores honestos hay. Si yo me tuviera que levantar todos los dias y ser ese vato que hizo trampa, verme en el espejo con esa cara y ese cuerpo 🤢 no tendria nada que perder y ps me iria por la vida haciendo trampa. Asi son la mayoria de los mexicanos XD
The thought of having to always cut your own deck/ opponents deck each time they search/shuffle to prevent scum like this sucks. It’s just slowing the pace of play and adding one more distraction. Ban these players quickly and for years to make sure it’s not somthing to be taken advantage of.
Everyone creates his own path in life, thank goodness it was streamed, doesn’t makes sense to cheat, everybody should be aware of this kind of things if they are thinking on participate in any kind of competitive TCG
Good to know I have the option to cut my deck after my opponent shuffles it. I’m heading to the Hartford regionals and that made me a lot more comfortable.
Having played on and off various TCGs for over 2 decades and playing in tournaments for a large part of that early on, I have genuinely never seen someone overhand or faro shuffle and only pull a single card naturally. If you spot it once during their shuffle there is a 99% chance you will see it happen again because that shit is not a natural occurrence.
I feel like the "top card never changing" thing happens a lot even on streams. I don't think a lot of those people are trying to do anything wrong, though, they just don't realize what they're doing. I played someone locally who started during covid, and they thought Judge's "shuffle your hand into your deck" just meant put the cards into your deck somewhere random, because they had only played Marnie irl before 😅 After watching stuff like this, though, I'll definitely try to pay more attention to it all
oh no this is completely intentional. it takes a good amount of a) technique to not shuffle the top 3-5 cards b) you can see him clearly distract his opponent multiple times when he does cheat, he's also known as a cheater. I'm sorry to tell you but, if someone does this it's 100% always intentional. You're supposed to use 2-3 types of different shuffeling techniques each time you shuffle, because even just shuffeling repeteatly with one technique is flawed. Trust no one, always cut their decks. Always. You don't need to shuffle their decks, but CUT it. that way he can't cheat (on his own deck at the very least) and if someone shuffles your deck, ALWAYS reshuffle or cut it. always.
I didn't know about the rule where you could cut the deck if your opponent shuffles. Good thing to know when I go to paper event. Coming from MTG, I don't believe that is allowed (not sure why as it seems a good way to get around this specific kind of cheat), so learning that is the way things work in Pokemon TCG is very nice.
@@dylanmayabb6594 it is very much not allowed for you to cut your deck after your opponent hands it to you in MTG. Go to any competitive MTG and try and cut the deck after your opponent shuffles and you will get called on it, either with your opponent calling a judge, or they reshuffle your deck. It's specifically why back shuffling cheaters were such a problem (and still are) because you can't do anything to your own deck after your opponent shuffles it.
I havent played any irl tournaments of pokemon tcg but the thought of my opponent in general shuffling my own deck irks me. I'd rather have a judge do it if possible.
I m a local player in bogota im really sad to listen this, because we have a cheater on camera, Also i think this is a very important lesson ALLWAYS CUT YOUR OPPONENTS DECK
i really cant stand when a player does a peak with a single card while having other cards in hand........i mean if its the top deck or lose situation i get it
I've known him since he was in the Juniors and he was known for doing things like this, the problem is that the "pro" players and judges are on his side. It's basically a mob.
Also, he once tried to buy a match in a Regional event we had at Mexico City. He was caught and was banned for a year, however, he still does this little things that only a few people can even see what he's doing.
The judges do suck XD. They don't catching cheating half the time and spend the other half harassing people for a power trip. Kissing their ass is what's cringe.
It doesn't look like Eder is able to see the bottom card while he is shuffling. Is he looking at someone that can see the bottom card at 1:14 to get a signal?
He’s shuffling at an angle where he can peek at the cards. If he knows the meta cards decently enough, it would just take a peek to know if he wants the opponent to open with certain ones, especially if people “bling out” their decks with alternate arts.
Honestly so sick of people cheating in a childrens card game. Please just play and get better. Cheating and stacking cards only makes you look terrible and does nothing to improve your gameplay. Sad that we have to sit here and see this shit happen but it’s like this in every game
As an avid card gamer of multiple games I cannot cheating. I will always say first offense is ban for life. No place for cheating especially in a card game. Cheaters get no respect from me.
@@deanomac99999 ive talk to local judges about him and one of his teammates (Miguel) and they wont do anything about it, they AND POKEMON literally said " i wont punish him unless we have video proof of him cheating" , and this came from 2 main judges in Mexico City and one of the MAIN JUDGES IN POKEMON TCG!!! (he is mexican)
Very obvious with this guy. Things like this I see alot n hard to prove unless they on stream. Multi players will practice shuffling n stacking techniques. Like when they searching deck they move cards around put certain cards on bottom n move cards on top. Like one from a couple years ago u see ultra ba used n the person moves supporters around then grabs a pokemon. Also there are very great magic tricks that some do where they can stack deck with shuffles to put nearly whole deck in order. I'm sure takes alot if skill to do. Saw it on the magic show before. That's why everyone I mean everyone should shuffle opp deck good for them after opp has.
no excuses, this is just what life has taught him cause its a normal thing in todays society its all over showing this is ok in life to win and be #1. sad sad sad
Cause you can't have 2000 judges in a tournament to shuffle everyones decks. Only doing it for the feature matches is stupid aswell as there is the most evidence
Yes you have to offer your deck to be cut/shuffled after you shuffle I’m not sure if you psychically have to hand it to them but even if you put it back where ur deck sits during the game the opponent can cut/shuffle it
@@AzulGG Kinda wish there was a mandatory handing rule honestly, I've played so many games where dudes would sit their deck a mile away to encourage you to not reach
@@cybershroom9240it's kinda hard to enforce. Hundreds of people would need to call a judge at once every minute or so for it to be properly enforced. Only thing you can do is look out for it and insist on cutting the deck
I think this should be someone dedicated to it, like a card dealer, picked up by organizers of tournament to do card shuffling like this (like we see in tournaments of card games like poker) instead. I don't know why in this case players themselves do it.
Every pro pokemon tcg player does this. Most of them are not dumb enough to get caught. Shuffle control of your deck is very easy to do without anyone catching it
The fact that he
1. Cheated multiple times
2. Did it on stream
3. Was trying to distract his opponent while in the process of cheating
Tells me this ain’t his first rodeo, give this clown a lifetime ban🤡
This is like the 3rd time he cheats on stream, time for a life-time ban.
reminds me of a guy named adam corn who is banned from life from yugioh for cheating, he got a warning for a marked card....and then got caught 3 other times. dude was a fucking douche bag
Lifetime bans are interesting. I think if he has been consistently doing this and beating players out of very important tourneys then I think a year + is valid as well as when he comes back he will always have that stain on his record. Lifetime is very harsh i haven’t been in the tcg scene for a long time but as bad scummy and frustrating as this is a lifetime seems slightly harsh
@@YyNRCyY perma ban cheaters - 1 year is nothing if you can cheat and just wait a year if caught
"Ah, there's my VStar. Right where I left it!"
First time there's an event this big in my country and this happens 🤡 hope is not too bad for the organizers
It's not the organizer's fault, it was actually good they actually stopped and DQd him. That means the TO's and judges were actually eyes on.
99% of people you play against won’t cheat, but it’s still just optimal to cut/shuffle your opponents deck (or cut your own) for more random draws, then when you do run across a cheater you’ll already have these habits ingrained in you and it’ll be harder for them to pull stuff off
Eder and their team "brave birds" are known cheaters, the fact that he got caught on camera means, he did it with all intent an purpose on cheating
This is not necessarily true, i have known the majority of them for years and not all of them are cheaters. Please do not generalize, witch hunting players is not ok.
Eder should get a ban, but not the rest of the team, specially if there is no way to prove any cheating by them.
@@LGTeGeTeGe are you Eder teammate?
@@JKO1989 no, im a retired player who was active since 2009 to 2017 and played 3 worlds (1 in senior), i know the mayority of mexican players. This week Eder got kicked from the team lol, last time i tried to trash talk in a post about that time when Eder threw the promo in that judge's face, they defended him and erased my comment lol
The fact it was on camera has nothing to do with intent and on purpose. Whenever someone cheats it’s intended and on purpose, with video we just have proof he cheated.
Clear as day. I’ve never seen cheating in blatant.
And a friend of mine told me a story about a time he threw a promo card (geovanny 2016) to a judge, he was banned for a year, it seems that it needs a perma ban to get rid of him
He didnt get any ban, he just was intimidated by the judge and the pto, which both are also a pair of assholes lol, he technically hasnt been banned before. Not tryin to defend him tho, he definitely needs to be banned.
Y ahi te va en español: nunca lo banearon, solo lo intimidó el juez al que le aventó la promo y el organizador, si llevas suficiente tiempo en el juego sabrás el nombre de ambos y tmb sabrás que los dos son tmb personas horribles jajajajaja así que no tiene ningun baneo en su historial. No lo estoy defendiendo, la cagó y ya le toca
The magic birds!!!.
Banning him will be little justice for such a disgusting "player", that team doesn't represent Mexico at all.
Estás bien? Casi te arrancas la lengua con la mordidota que te diste
@@CHARIZAR05 hechos , no palabras !!!
Que cínico si al jugar contigo hay que estar cuidandote las manos. Y qué tal tu manera de aventar el dado sin girarlo 😂😂😂
@@masmega5 jajajajajaja claro que no! XD soy tan distraído que es más fácil que me ponga el pié yo solo.
Además si quieren hacer un hilo de falacias primero pongan sus nombres reales. Hagan lo que hagan no podrán limpiar una imagen de alguien que viene haciendo lo mismo por años !!!!!
Classic case of a cheater getting what he deserves. Hope that ban actually happens
Cheaters deserve a scorched earth policy. If someone is willing to attempt to blatantly cheat on *camera* just think about how many kids / other opponents hes probably cheated out to get there. Scum.
I've play against the cheater here in México, now that i saw this explains a lot of my loses 😂
Me imagino la tremenda mofada que le van a pegar si pone un pie en la tienda de nuevo.
@@alledzebu1975 bro, el tenía tienda en una de las plazas donde jugábamos, esto fue en el 2021; no he jugado desde entonces, espero que le caiga todo el peso, que lo baneen de todas formas
@@alledzebu1975 no no pasara, todos estan de su lado. Desde jueces, su team, y jugadores que llevan a;os ahi. Por eso se ha salido con la suya hacieno trampa por a;os.
Es que Mexico es el lugar donde menos jugadores honestos hay. Si yo me tuviera que levantar todos los dias y ser ese vato que hizo trampa, verme en el espejo con esa cara y ese cuerpo 🤢 no tendria nada que perder y ps me iria por la vida haciendo trampa. Asi son la mayoria de los mexicanos XD
@@fresh_vertices ª ok, te me cuidas
The thought of having to always cut your own deck/ opponents deck each time they search/shuffle to prevent scum like this sucks. It’s just slowing the pace of play and adding one more distraction.
Ban these players quickly and for years to make sure it’s not somthing to be taken advantage of.
Never forget when he threw a card in a judge’s face xD
when azul said to turn your headphones down; i turned mine up
LMAOOO i LIVE for those second clips my dude, keep em coming hahahah
Everyone creates his own path in life, thank goodness it was streamed, doesn’t makes sense to cheat, everybody should be aware of this kind of things if they are thinking on participate in any kind of competitive TCG
When money is on the line, people will just do everything they can to grab it. It's a bit sad.
What happened to the evolutions series with chip on your other channel?
Yikes, wild that people go to these lengths, ESPECIALLY on stream
He is a friend of mine, and he is indeed a scumbag lol, if u cheat so desperately that u get caught on stream, u deserve to be banned lol
wooooow goood to know ! ive just started in january playing xD very very very good to know thanks mr.azul !!!
Happens a lot in Brazil as well... always shuffle, always cut, do it in our training sessions so it becames an habit
seeing this after eder got caught again this year is wild
Good to know I have the option to cut my deck after my opponent shuffles it. I’m heading to the Hartford regionals and that made me a lot more comfortable.
0:03 your pronunciation was actually good for once! 😂
On a separate, less serious note, where'd you get that sweet Darkrai shirt
Qualitypatchdesigns.com
I don’t see why TCGs don’t have a rule to ALWAYS cut the deck right before you start playing.
That flat bill hat with the sticker still on it tells me everything I need to know!!!!
Ey lets go, thanks for pointing this garbage ass shit behavior out. This shit happens waaaaayy too often in live games.
Hi bro, where do i can find that rule, about i can cut my deck if my opponent shuffle my deck instead of cut it
I WOKE UP IN A NEW BOGOTA
Having played on and off various TCGs for over 2 decades and playing in tournaments for a large part of that early on, I have genuinely never seen someone overhand or faro shuffle and only pull a single card naturally. If you spot it once during their shuffle there is a 99% chance you will see it happen again because that shit is not a natural occurrence.
I will never understand cheaters that are so bold that they're even cheating in goddamn feature matches for everyone to see.
Even if you’re an avid cheater
How dumb do you have to be to do it on stream
I feel like the "top card never changing" thing happens a lot even on streams. I don't think a lot of those people are trying to do anything wrong, though, they just don't realize what they're doing. I played someone locally who started during covid, and they thought Judge's "shuffle your hand into your deck" just meant put the cards into your deck somewhere random, because they had only played Marnie irl before 😅 After watching stuff like this, though, I'll definitely try to pay more attention to it all
oh no this is completely intentional. it takes a good amount of a) technique to not shuffle the top 3-5 cards b) you can see him clearly distract his opponent multiple times when he does cheat, he's also known as a cheater. I'm sorry to tell you but, if someone does this it's 100% always intentional. You're supposed to use 2-3 types of different shuffeling techniques each time you shuffle, because even just shuffeling repeteatly with one technique is flawed. Trust no one, always cut their decks. Always. You don't need to shuffle their decks, but CUT it. that way he can't cheat (on his own deck at the very least) and if someone shuffles your deck, ALWAYS reshuffle or cut it. always.
I hate when someone shuffles my deck upside down where they can see my cards, to me that's cheating.
Are any of the results posted for this tournament yet?
This shit was crazy to see live 😮
Thanks for the warning big dawg but I think you acted pretty appropriately 🤙🤙🤙
I remember when you were doing the commentating you were like man Eder is getting the top decks here
Is there a specific way to shuffle a deck or do people do it differently?
dangggg, am not even a player yet felt annoyed with such tactic!
Life time ban is NEEDED!
'And he never was banned' - Morgan Freeman
I didn't know about the rule where you could cut the deck if your opponent shuffles. Good thing to know when I go to paper event. Coming from MTG, I don't believe that is allowed (not sure why as it seems a good way to get around this specific kind of cheat), so learning that is the way things work in Pokemon TCG is very nice.
It's very much in MTG and always has been
@@dylanmayabb6594 it is very much not allowed for you to cut your deck after your opponent hands it to you in MTG. Go to any competitive MTG and try and cut the deck after your opponent shuffles and you will get called on it, either with your opponent calling a judge, or they reshuffle your deck.
It's specifically why back shuffling cheaters were such a problem (and still are) because you can't do anything to your own deck after your opponent shuffles it.
@@jakehr3 misunderstood u sorry thought u said u couldn't cut the opponents deck after they shuffly
I havent played any irl tournaments of pokemon tcg but the thought of my opponent in general shuffling my own deck irks me. I'd rather have a judge do it if possible.
Yeah that's not manageable on a larger scale
If I’ve learned anything is that I will always shuffle/ cut my opponents deck
Unbelievable...
3:15 he sounds so much like pyrocynical 😭
I m a local player in bogota im really sad to listen this, because we have a cheater on camera, Also i think this is a very important lesson ALLWAYS CUT YOUR OPPONENTS DECK
i really cant stand when a player does a peak with a single card while having other cards in hand........i mean if its the top deck or lose situation i get it
I've known him since he was in the Juniors and he was known for doing things like this, the problem is that the "pro" players and judges are on his side. It's basically a mob.
Also, he once tried to buy a match in a Regional event we had at Mexico City. He was caught and was banned for a year, however, he still does this little things that only a few people can even see what he's doing.
played against a cheater who did a simlar shuffle cheat to this guy. Hopefully this guy gets banned
Just realized Azul's rocking some Senny's 😊
If he pile shuffled the deck…. He would be able to see the cards to stack them
You heard Azul - ban his ass! lol
Lol ive never heard azul cuss or pop off before 😂😂🤣🤣.This is fucked up though yooo ,get this man out of here
😂😂 Azul shrieking “and then he puts it on top of the deck!! 😂😂 Great coverage of this cheating bro!
this kind of sportsmanship makes me sick. how sad are you to cheat bro cmonnnnn man 🤡🤡🤡 hope he does get banned fr
The judges do suck XD. They don't catching cheating half the time and spend the other half harassing people for a power trip. Kissing their ass is what's cringe.
I hope they finally do something about cheating, it seems far too common
It doesn't look like Eder is able to see the bottom card while he is shuffling. Is he looking at someone that can see the bottom card at 1:14 to get a signal?
He’s shuffling at an angle where he can peek at the cards. If he knows the meta cards decently enough, it would just take a peek to know if he wants the opponent to open with certain ones, especially if people “bling out” their decks with alternate arts.
Dude had infinite God Hand what a chad
Honestly so sick of people cheating in a childrens card game. Please just play and get better. Cheating and stacking cards only makes you look terrible and does nothing to improve your gameplay. Sad that we have to sit here and see this shit happen but it’s like this in every game
He has been cheating for years, but judges just wont do anything about it, he had cheated on stream b4 remember??? (the extra retreats to close game)
As an avid card gamer of multiple games I cannot cheating. I will always say first offense is ban for life. No place for cheating especially in a card game. Cheaters get no respect from me.
Did that cheater ever got punished? Or are there any news from the organizers about that incident?
He got disqualified right after, they even referenced Azul on stream LOL
a volar brave birds XD
Cheaters = Ban4Ever
With the bigdata that we have, it should be put in criminal record has well.
What happened after this? did he get banned? I can't find much when I search his name
DQ after finished first match of the final
@@SirVogard so he can still play, I hope there is some note in his file so local judges can watch him
@@deanomac99999 ive talk to local judges about him and one of his teammates (Miguel) and they wont do anything about it, they AND POKEMON literally said " i wont punish him unless we have video proof of him cheating" , and this came from 2 main judges in Mexico City and one of the MAIN JUDGES IN POKEMON TCG!!! (he is mexican)
Don't even have to watch the video I can just tell by the sticker on his hat, he's not it.
Now Eder is an international Cheater everyone knows him now ahahaha
Very obvious with this guy. Things like this I see alot n hard to prove unless they on stream. Multi players will practice shuffling n stacking techniques. Like when they searching deck they move cards around put certain cards on bottom n move cards on top. Like one from a couple years ago u see ultra ba used n the person moves supporters around then grabs a pokemon.
Also there are very great magic tricks that some do where they can stack deck with shuffles to put nearly whole deck in order. I'm sure takes alot if skill to do. Saw it on the magic show before. That's why everyone I mean everyone should shuffle opp deck good for them after opp has.
Clear as day. He manipulated his top decks
no excuses, this is just what life has taught him cause its a normal thing in todays society its all over showing this is ok in life to win and be #1. sad sad sad
Your voice went pre puberty real quick.
Takes one guy to ruin the party.
Isn't there a shuffle machina ??
Why do the judges not shuffle the decks? It would solve all these dumb issues
Cause you can't have 2000 judges in a tournament to shuffle everyones decks.
Only doing it for the feature matches is stupid aswell as there is the most evidence
people like this don't deserve to play competitive
Permaban for this guy, is simple.
Mate if you don't cut the deck after a shuffle your a clown 🎉 rule 101 of tcg's
Is there a rule against not offering your deck to your opponent to shuffle ??
Yes you have to offer your deck to be cut/shuffled after you shuffle
I’m not sure if you psychically have to hand it to them but even if you put it back where ur deck sits during the game the opponent can cut/shuffle it
@@AzulGG Kinda wish there was a mandatory handing rule honestly, I've played so many games where dudes would sit their deck a mile away to encourage you to not reach
@@cybershroom9240it's kinda hard to enforce. Hundreds of people would need to call a judge at once every minute or so for it to be properly enforced. Only thing you can do is look out for it and insist on cutting the deck
I know I'm late to the party, but what does 'tap the deck' (don't know if spelled correctly) mean?
Tap it with your finger, showing you do not want to cut it and leave it as it is.
What a shame, ban that boy for life
time for automatic shuffle machines
also super easy to peak inside the opponents deck while shuffling to know what type of cards theyre playing
Hay weas idiotas y hacer trampa en un juego 🙄🤡
Do most of Bradners stream matches now. Another habitual cheater that never gets punished.
What has Bradner been caught doing? Any video?
I think this should be someone dedicated to it, like a card dealer, picked up by organizers of tournament to do card shuffling like this (like we see in tournaments of card games like poker) instead. I don't know why in this case players themselves do it.
In big tournaments you have hundreds of games at once. It's not really feasible.
Eder eres famoso
I agree with Op lifetime ban for sure Pokemon is supposed to be a chill game if you feel the need to cheat here you should be banned from tcgs period
I guess the lesson here is to always shuffle TF out of your opponents deck at every opportunity you have
Also cut yours
I tend to be trusting when I play. I know I have no intention of cheating, so I'm trusting, but now I shouldn't be lol.
wouldnt expect less from latam
Omg that's blatant cheating
Keep calling them out dude
Every pro pokemon tcg player does this.
Most of them are not dumb enough to get caught.
Shuffle control of your deck is very easy to do without anyone catching it
I hope they ban his ass
@Azulgg Eder wasnt cheating. He wanted Johnathan to go to the next round 😅
Ban Hammer!!!!
Is so sad 😢😢😢