These Phone Companies Aren't What You Think
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
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[THESE PHONE COMPANIES AREN’T WHAT YOU THINK]
Who are you really buying your phone from? Does that Motorola logo really mean what you think it does? BlackBerry hasn’t made a phone in eight years, and for Nokia it’s been even longer - so why do so many people think they do? Today on MrMobile, we’re re-visiting the world of licensing to understand just what a tech brand name is (and isn’t).
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00:00 BlackBerry hasn’t been “BlackBerry” for years
01:00 Licensing review
02:19 Who actually builds the “CAT” phone?
03:00 Motorola? Is that you?
04:37 Back to BlackBerry
07:10 “No”kia
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Everybody forgot about LG and Prada. A beautiful partnership lasted for 3 iterations
Damn. I have one of these in the archive too; I shoulda shot it for this!
There was the famous case that the first iphone copied it since it came out at the same time. Was an interesting one.
yeah and it was the popular phone for rich people back then here in Indonesia (Before LG Prada the popular rich people phone was the nokia 8800 series)
What’s the folding phone you’re reading Twitter on???
Hahaha and I loved it Lg G 7 thing. We only got rid of it because 5g was starting and sprint was bought.
I remember watching a video few days back about the history of Nokia and how it started off as a wood pulp mill and later strengthened its presence in other industrial domains by manufacturing rubber, tyres, cables, wires, TVs etc. It’s interesting to see that how companies like Nokia and Blackberry have built such a great reputation for themselves that despite having minimum to no presence in the production of mobile phones at present, one can always put their trust in the operations of its other subsidiaries as well… (at least I do!)
@@HiKshitijpretty much
When you're so early that the video is only available in 360p
Nah it's been 30 mins and its still 360p, did he mess up something?
yep. i like this topic so i will come back later to view it in 4k =))
@@powerman821 He didn't RUclips takes a while to process the video.
Its in 4K come back now 😅
Mine is in 720 . Check your connection to Wi-Fi or cellular signal
The Motorola Rugged phones story is even weirder: they are build by Bullit (as you said), but they seem to be based on Motorola Mobility designs. The 2021 Defy had a XT2083-9 model number, similar to the Moto G9 Play it's clearly based (XT1083-1).
so in that case it's more like one of those car conversion companies, lenovo gives them the parts, they make the changes, and then both of them license out via Motorola.
That feels like the point when you give up trying to understand.
There's a new Defy? I remember wanting one so bad so I could play angry birds in the swimming pool
DeleteMe is a crazy brand name 💀💀
Also like Sony and Ericsson. After the "merger" on mobile phones and we got SE devices way back, Erickson is a network hardware company that builds our mobile networks.
It is worth pointing out that, just like the Nokia brand story, the same happened with Motorola: the one renamed Solutions after the split IS the original parent company (and a big one at that). Mobility was just one of various branches, which was sold to Google then landed at Lenovo.
Another similarity: Nokia made home network stuff (like home routers and modems), at least until the dawn of the ADSL era. Motorola did too under its Home division and lasted longer, until 2012 when Arris bought it all. So if you have one of those very popular cable modems, chances are its just a rebranded/evolved Big M device.
Such a brilliant and extremely informative video Michael. I completely agree with you. As someone who worked in retail for a long time, I made it my mission to help customers by trying to provide this kind of information. Customers need to be aware of what they are buying. Myself personally, I spend days if not weeks and months researching before I buy anything. Where a product is made, who it’s made by etc…
How are there no comments yet on how epic Michael’s hair is?
Still have a Nokia E71 (not being used). When you remove the battery there is a label that says "Made in Finland". It's built like a tank.
Motorola Solutions is what remains of the ‘real’ Motorola before the breakup
Indeed. Wasn't it Solutions that gave us all the iDEN phones?
@@TheMrMobile it's actually the Taiwanese ODM "Compal"
As someone who is part of the newer generation, this is a well informative video, astounding and confusing that these stuff exists, What if the device we are currently using now is another one of these licensing stuff. Damn, so much to learn. If only these were the questions in an exam or test. Haha.
The HMD Global Nokia phones where actually solid AF, I had the 6.1, 7.1, 6.2 & 7 Plus, recommended them alot, my favourite had to be the 6.1 TBH
They started off really awesome. Android one software, fast , guaranteed, and consistent updates of android firmware and reasonable pricing and compromises on mid range smartphones. I had the Nokia 7.1 and prior to google creating the Pixel A series it was basically the cheap pixel experience. Currently however, they make junk and have pretty much squandered all that good will. I wouldn’t touch one of their android phones with a 10 foot pole.
@@bernielomax4702 Ugh, sorry to hear that. The 6.1 is/was a great phone (currently in a drawer 10 inches under my left hand) but I jumped ship for the Pixel 4a. It's dying battery is hard to live with but I can't use a >6 inch screen phone. I will probably sell my soul to an Apple mini or SE. Pray for me.
During era where they released 6.1, 7.1 etc phones they were really good and they did a lot of things right. Current Nokia phones are just low quality underpowered and overpriced garbage.
Funny thing is that they can't get right even clear Android. For example Nokia 5.3 is impossible to reset to factory setting after android 12 update that came more than a year late. For some reason the update deletes recovery partition meaning that the phone deletes it's OS but it can't restore it so the phone is bricked and with bootloader being locked there is not way to fix it.
Rest of the phones have so many bugs they are barely usable and the promise of monthly security updates? Yeah if you are lucky you'll get one in 3-4 months.
I have X20 and i'm happy with this smartphone despite the fact it's so big and it take a long time to charge full
Ahhhh that 6.1 with those gold details. Such a beautiful device. I really miss it.
I miss Nokia and their mobile phones. I had the 5120, and a few others. I'd love to see what they could do today.
My 5130 XpressMusic still rocks. Nice loud speaker, MP3 player buttons, good old J2ME java games and a decent 2MP camera were and still are quite good.
@@LastofAvari I'd just ordered a n95 so I can play those old j2me gaves once again lmao.
@@aitoluxd How much did it cost? I wanna buy one too
Thank you for making this video. It needed to be made, and you did an excellent job, as usual.
Speaking of Nokia, I'd love to see a video about the Nokia N9 and its failed (but brilliant) Meego OS.
Blackberry’s QNX OS (which they used in their final products) was an intelligent purchase. It’s used in millions of critical products around the world.
Oh absolutely. That's a very interesting part of the BlackBerry story I hope to tell someday.
Really fascinated by the collection of your vintage phones that make special appearances in between these videos… that means all these will also be featured in the upcoming episodes of ‘When Phones Were Fun’, right? 😃
Ha - theoretically, given enough time! 😄
@@TheMrMobile Thanks for always delighting us with such amazing information about some of the most awesome gadgets ever made! 🙏
You are the best at what you do! 😃👍
@@TheMrMobileYou replied in Hindi (Ha = Yes) ? That was a nice touch 😜
This is kind of a confusing topic, so I appreciate this video, it definitely does a good job explaining how it all works. Thanks Mr. Mobile!
The brand Vertu went into bankruptcy, and then a Chinese coompany bought the branding and makes phones, however they misleadingly say the same "Made in England" branding, but the Vertu factory was demoished and has since been replaced with a shopping centre and Vertu now has no footing even in Europe, meaning they are lying. You can only find Vertu being sold in China, Russia and the middle East.
Still hoping Microsoft will make a weird version of Windows and Android combined to have a 4th Major mobile smartphone OS
is huaweis os the 3th?
Fourth? What’s the third?
@@CMxPunk huawei mobile is like a disowned child that end up pretty well for themselves all things considered.
Thank you, Michael, for another brilliant video, what are you teasing us with on your lapel?
I love your vids! I really just love tech and cell phones in general and your videos are just INTERESTING. I don't watch them for a class or for some business venture, I watch them to be informed on what I like and you deliver every time. Great channel sir.
In Brazil, initially Nokia phones were manufactured and branded by Gradiente, the largest electronics company in the country at the time. Yeah, the same Gradiente that tried to sue Apple for the iPhone trademark a few years back. But that's another story.
Nowadays, you can find VAIO and Compaq notebooks and Infinix Phones in many stores, all built under license by Positivo Tecnologia.
Interesting -- especially with regards to VAIO, who as a company still sells designs and sells notebooks themselves in other regions (though outside of Japan in Asia, is licensed to the Hong Kong based _Nexstgo_ ).
Thanks for that info. I didn't know about licensing like that 😅
Honestly a super helpful video explaining licensing and how these current and former phone companies keep popping up in our modern day.
Wow! That Motorola segment required it's own video altogether. Such an eye opening video. Thanks MrMobile!
This was a surprisingly informative video, that I actually really enjoyed this is why I subscribed. Good job Mr Mobile!!
Ah...I miss Blackberry!
Love your vids so Just keep 'em coming😊🎉
Miss my Nokia 5185i from yesteryear! I had that activated on PagePlus Cellular as recently as 5 years ago too (they would still activate them as they picked up the Verizon 1x service) 💯
This video was fantastic. And I shouldn't be surprised because you make such great videos all the time. But this video's topic was extra interesting because it legitimately cover a topic I've never seen explored. Thank you! Bravo!
Excellent topic for a video! Thank you, Michael!
The Priv and Key2 are still my favorite phones. I hate typing on touchscreens and an actual keypad is so much nicer.
Very interesting video! I wish you would do more of these informative videos
I know for sure AT&T and zte have a similar licensing relationship. If you look at the product catalog, the AT&T
/cingular branded devices are actually mostly made by ZTE
Oh I totally forgot about carrier-branded phones! That would have thickened up this video some. Dang.
@@TheMrMobileZTE also rebranded some phones for Orange, a network with a very interesting history.
Informative and very interesting !
More such please 💐
I never get tired of watching Michael Fisher's vidz... I always learn a lot of things...and history, and tech of course.
Fantastic video. Misconceptions regarding the operations of Nokia today really made the logo change a much bigger thing than it should have been 😆
This video is a SLAM DUNK. Loved it, so great to have you telling these stories. Can't wait to see what you decide to cover the tales of next!
You've done it again friend! You've managed to transport me back to a time when cellphones were becoming smartphones, when I was becoming the tech nerd I still am today. How did you do it? Well like other episodes, one simple sound. The sound in this one was that oh so satisfying CLAP from that ESPN flip phone. That has to be one of the best I've ever heard and if i close my eyes and listen again I'm transported to being outside the convenience store around the corner from my childhood house, with my buddies around me. As always, I'm the first one out of my friend group to have the next big tech gadget. I my Moto V557 as if everyone's watching and envious of me and how cool I look.
Thanks again for another fantastic video Michael! You're truly the one youtuber that i enjoy every single second lf every single video, and I'm always excited to watch. Keep at it Sir, keep Mobile history alive! People like me love and appreciate it.
Weirdest one for me recently-ish was LG, they announced their last phone (the LG wing I think?) using LG UK, funny thing was, its been impossible to get an LG phone on a network over here for quite a few years before that, if you knew, it was a strange choice, if you didn't you'd just think "LG still release phones?"
There were a few variations after the Wing, according to GSMArena. But I still want to believe it was the last one, since it is probably the most perfectly unnecessary screen design ever, which fits very well with LG.
Very well explained, please make a video covering Smartwatches & TWS too.
Ya normally I would skip and hate the length of sponsor spots or ads similar to yours, but I watch every bit of them because your videos are damn good
That was a great video, very illuminating.
Another excellent video Michael! I really enjoyed this explanation of product licensing. It's relevance in the mobile world and was just good knowledge presented in a great way!
I’m surprised there wasn’t any mentioning of the new thinkpad phone. It would be great to see a review by mrmobile
I wish Moto, Blackberry and Nokia would bring back great phones that are updated on a regular and long basis.
I miss BlackBerry on a daily basis! 😢😢😢
Nokia is better but has a minimal chipset choice, Motorola (Lenovo) lags at updates and TCL still makes mediocre forgettable devices without the "Blackberry" brand name
10:20 The reason why I've been sub'd to your channel for years now. Thanks MrMobile.
Id like to see a whole episode about the CAT phones some them are bloody tough and feature rich
Agreed. They look like a very unique style of phone - perfect for MrMobile imo.
Thanks for the video! Ah, I have to dig out some of my old Blackberries for the Blackberry movie next week.
I'm actually interested in the quircky nature of the JDM phones especially when phones branded by their respecticve carriers and wondering who made them
Great concept and needed
Great educational video!
8:07 rip windows phone 📱. I'll always miss you
Still my top favourite mobile OS to date. Microsoft can easily resurrect the Lumia lineup with Windows on ARM.
Educative and informative. Your videos are so 🔥
The whole thing about providers branding products from Sony, HTC and all the others was also very confusing. Especially if they put different software on it to make it "Tele-Com" or "Sprint" or "Swisscom" here in Switzerland. They even rolled out software updates by themselfs rather than by the manufacturer (or not at all).
While I already know most of the stuff in the video, you presented it in such an easily digestible way that I now don't have to explain the stuff myself and just refer people to this video. Nice.
That does not work. People just don't watch the content referred by others even if they gain a lot from that.
You are so unique reviewer, I actually wait your uploads!
Had the key 2. Used it till my carrier said I couldn’t anymore. The day blackberry comes out with a new one I’ll get it
Not any more, but HMD used to be a building literally across road from Nokia proper, they moved a few years ago.
I loved that little factoid 😄
Great informative video as usual 👍🏻
This is the video I didn't know I needed today. Truly informative.
Great review keep up the good work.
It was very helpfull thank you sir
I was thoroughly impressed with how informative and well-researched your video was. Your deep knowledge of the mobile industry was evident throughout the video.id like to see more of this type of content. Greetings from Ireland. 🇮🇪
Refreshing video. Would love to see more of these in the future.
Mr Mobile, I'm going on an intercontinental vacation in summer and thinking about buying a new phone over there. I'm a corporate business user, happy with my Flip 3 but wondering what else is out there in Europe and east Asia. Maybe a recommendation video topic? I miss my BB KeyOne and Passport, would be open to a Nokia.
That Saramonic mic really looks like a 1st gen Moto 360!
Funny thing, back in 2014, at the beginning of the LTE Voice tests, mostly know nowadays by VoLTE, I was working in the biggest Telecom Company in Portugal.
I had in my hand for some months, while testing, a brand new, never released phone from Microsoft/Nokia, based in the Lumia 1520, with the Initial VoLTE hardware and software for testing and a ton of laser engravings on the back for identification of who leaked the images of the never released phone (it is normal even for Apple, who I also had models to test before releasing).
That company had all the Core Network and 3G antenna controllers branded NSN, that was the Nokia Siemens Networks, the Nokia that nowadays have the new Logo (who also made another rebranding before, changing their main logo from Nokia Siemens Networks to NSN and now this rebranding).
Great video, still running a Nokia 2720 flip as main driver. I keep waiting for some real compact phones to make a comeback 🎉
Didnt know about TCL blackberry. Thanks!
Unrelated, but I swooned at 8:03 when I saw the Moto X. What an amazing phone.
Do a video like on Chinese Smartphone companies
I use blackberry cumo suite on my military iPad. Its how we keep the CUI documents we have to carry around secure.
Great review Michael.
I believe this is the video where Michael Fisher channels his inner Miranda Priestly as he explains the convoluted web of brand licensing.
Impressive story you put together on this subject but what was more impressive is your expert use of pomade in the hair! BRAVO! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
6:38 there should be an app that changes all spam calls to parasitic blight on society 😂
Great lesson
this and every video you make is exactly why I still watch you ever since pocketnow
Great video Mr. Mobile❤
This is what I expect from "tech" youtubers. Great content as always Michael 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Very cool to see one of my favourite MD players in shot....Sony MZ-R37.....recording with one rn
Some budget Sony Ericsson phones (the W395, for example), were actually produced by Siemens. Those were often, if not always, further crippled in software, e.g. lacking support for custom themes. As such, SE has licensed their own hardware platforms to other manufacturers at some point too.
The way he said several years ago referring to 2020, made me feel really old.
Wow nice Tony Stark reference from Tony Stark himself! This video was one of my favorites of yours. Looking forward to your full in-depth coverage of the Google Pixel Folding Phone!
Really enjoyed this one.
thanks that taught me a lot
great video michael !
I really did like the early ZTE smartphones - they were selling most of them under any random insert name brands or under network carrier brand but they all run completely clean android with just couple of ZTE ring tones addded in :D
The way mobile world is now going, it is hard to trust brands like Nokia, Windows, BlackBerry, Sony.
Cheers Michael!
informative video. 👍
Same thing happened when IBM stopped making PCs... They still make computers just for commercial use like a cash register for Golden Coral I saw a few years ago in the 2010's. Also Radio shack and toy's R' us are still in buissnus just more limited then they were beofore.
Right. One of my first PCs was a "Packard Bell," a brand known for televisions and radios before it was acquired by a totally different company to make discount PCs.
I miss Palm Pre... Mr. Mobile pleeez do a retrospective on Pre!
Same thing happened to Sony's VAIO computer brand and camera manufacturer Olympus, they branch off their well known lines into a new company but still retains ownership and licenses out of their name to aforementioned new company.
I miss my physical keyboards Soo much. A family member found my old KeyOne in somewhere it shouldn't been. Sooo many memories.
0:21 seeing that BlackBerry priv made my heart ache because it had so much potential to be a truly awesome phone
Michael please more your's wideos great program❤