How Bad is Amazon’s Sundown CLONE? WLLDSE 15 Review
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
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The fact that they can offer a sub above 1000rms for a low price is great. I'm 52 and back in the early 90s when I got into car audio low price high rms sub was unheard of. You kids nowadays have it easy when it comes to car audio.
Easy in some regards, harder in others. The key is that modern semiconductor technology goes up while its price goes down.
Shit I’m pushing 2 12 premier’s 3000 watts max an pushing 1000watt rms. Got it on a 2400w hifonics Brutus. Shit is hitting crazy!
You got that right!
they are spoiled rotten. no appreciation for where things are today.
@@drutangyes and no. Sensitivity is down from back in the day. A 500watt sub from the 90's whould sound as loud to the ear as a 1000w sub thats out now. All going for power handling and spl and firgetting about the quality and sensitivity
You have to appreciate this era of competition and audio. It’s good for the consumer.
Agreed!
Yes, there's a price range for everybody.
It's all the same Chinese clone garbage from the same Chinese clone build houses with different labels.
@@asherdie No sir, thats an over generalization from someone who doesn't understand the market.
They all Chinese lol
It's another awesome video from Parker The Bass Head..
Thank you Big Jeff!
Parker is like the Grim Reaper of subwoofers... If you're showing up in his party better bring the beef lol or it's off to a smokey afterlife... Keeping these sub companies on their toes.
Haha yep sounds about right!
12 thousands watts should push most subs to their limits!! Parker has a nice setup for testing subwoofers!
😂sholl is... if SUBWOOFERS had feet's they would run away hell they would roll away from GRIMM PARKER....😂 But dats why I watch you though 😂
On them 🥜🥜
Get the U's!
Added challenge, measure with DATS see how close it is to the real deal!
Likely differences
Spider: bolted, size and stiffness
Basket: smaller spider landing
Top plate, pole and backplate: material type and dimensions
Coil: you pointed out very different coil
It's only the basket that's the same, Dayton used it as well. But these are solid subs. wlldse has been around fur years.
Good to see an economical choice 👍 Been looking at these for 1.5 yrs or so... Thanks for doing the torture test 🙂 Parker
Well it did better than 98% percent of subs that lie about their stats, Rockville.
Haha fair enough!
I'm having trouble with the math. So you take all the subs that have incorrect specs, and of those, this sub was in the top 2%? Are you implying this product has incorrect specs? Why group it in that category?
@@ParkerTheBasshead You the man good info and you staying on top of your game!!
I have one of these in my expedition and I'll be honest I was shocked. It absolutely hammers down and takes the abuse way better than I expected. I have smelled it a few times but the dust cap is never hot to the touch.
How much power you throwing at it?
I'm buying one this week. Going from a 600rms, so double power should be fun !
There’s like 25 different no name subs on Alibaba. I want to see them all tested!
I don’t trust many of those subs because they can be nothing more than a heavy block of ferrite with a weak motor and a high power rating to compensate. Sundown Audio owns a proper magnetizer so you are getting full power with them.
There's many different ways to make a bad subwoofer, but only a few ways to make it good. I would not suspect that the cheap subs use poor magnetizers, my guess would be they make the gap too wide to give extra tolerance for the quickly put together parts with little to no quality control. This reduces the chances of a coil rubbing, but really reduces the motors strength.
It's all Chinese anyways, from American Bass to Sundown. Testing is the only way.
@@bjenks2 It's all Earth built. So must be the same.
Jld audio makes these subs. Also makes DC audio and many others
I have the hst model in the mean time to save weight. And this sucker is doing great. Super stiff cone 3inch coild and out bangs the Hyanka for less!
This sub has great potential to those whom just want to bang on the streets.
Great demo Parker keep up the great work.
11:30 fun fact: the real Parker The Basshead reviews are his facial expressions as the bigger the smile, the better review the subs get 😂
You guys have to realize all your subwoofers and amps come from mostly the same build houses in china. All these companies do is pick from a catalog and they are made, that's why so many of them look the same with slight differences. Big companies like Sundown,DC,Fi design their own baskets,surrounds,motors..ect and thats why they are superior to other brands and everybody tries to copy.
I had the 10s back in 2019. A great product for the money.
It's not center vented because how they designed that originally to work. It pulls air up and through and out the top of the gap between the top plate and basket.
Little sneak peak a big amp and multiple subs looks like a fun build!!!!
Yessir!! 🤫
Very nice bro. I introduced these subwoofers to youtube about four years ago when they first came out
Yessir!
The Kicker Competition 12" sub (late 90's, one step up from Impulse and down from Solo) was always $100 and was a good bassline (ahem) for nearly two decades.
That this is $150 is mind-blowing if you take inflation into account; amazing.
Had 8 of them
@@JeremySpoken-7 Wall?
I have one of these in a 3.7 cube box at 32 hz with 2 jp8s strapped at 2 ohms to it and it takes a beating everyday and it doesnt give up.
Parker always coming out with some banger videos
My 2 Wlldse HCY12s are still hanging in there! I did add 60g of weight to the cone and tossed a new 7" cap over it and made a huge difference in there ability to dig deep. They had an FS of 43htz out of the box, after breaking in from a couple months of flex the FS dropped to 38htz better but still a bit high. But with the added mass and new big cap the FS is now at 30htz! Woohoo. They went from being super tight and punchy sounding perfect for metal and kick drum but the low lows were pretty weak. (Partially the higher tuning and smaller than ideal enclosure the unfortunate part of limited trunk space) but as soon as I fired them up with the lower FS low 30s were way stronger., They are a bit less punchy obviously but it's a happy median of good lows and still punchy. Only problem now is a small trunk 2 subs 1 nice an warm a/b 4 channel and a 2k at .5 ohm I'm having heat issues . There's also a 24ah headway battery pack but it doesn't put off any heat. Thing that sucks is My car has Perma coil stink where I've got dem puppy's warm a bunch of times, and my monoblock shuts down for few seconds if flexed hard on hot days. I need ventilation! At least the car isn't black also
I would have to say for the money this is a great budget minded value! Would like to see a 1 year update to see how it holds up as far as life expectancy goes.
I'm curious about the direct comparison with the u15. Hard not to notice the surfboard and pallet of subwoofers at the end of the video 😁
Packaged better than DC & can get two 15s for less than a real sundown 👌
Yea, but when you have that real Sundown like me. There's no going back to stuff like this. Though I might buy a 12" for my son's bedroom.
@@carlospacheco8640I have 4 sundown u (15). I blew one and bought one of these. My DB went from a 152.7 to a 152.4. so I can attest they are pretty much clones
@@PeterFeltersnatch852the basket is the only thing that is the same, even Dayton and others use this basket. It isn't a clone of the U at all though.
Parker! Love your videos. I’m on team deaf bonce with a full deaf bonce build and will be at the sundown audio show doing demos as well. I have 6 302 in a 4th order c pillar. It’d be cool to demo beside you and show off deaf bonce!!!
Heck yeah man! Definitely come park next to me if you can!
@@ParkerTheBasshead I’ll try haha that’s be awesome
I have 2 of these 15s they are Stout woofers and can handle tons of power with the right box and good power these sound great. Those Elite AB subs are not a good comparison to these, u would need to compare the Xfl to this woofer these wllsde HCY woofers take a while to break in , they are super stiff
XFLS are super under rated. They are what I call the king of sleeper subs.
@@RHuntherI owned a few in my big builds they are good subs these are impressive for the price
For $150 these are F'n AWESOME
I agree!
It's already unavailable 😕 good video Parker 👍
Yeah there were only a couple in stock when I bought it
Still to this day you can't convince me different. Dark audio had some of the best " budget " line of subs. When I got mine they were 100 bucks a piece, they took a solid 800-1000 watts all day and in a sealed box to spec they systematicly dismantled my crown Vic.
I went to buy some online when they were 100 and when I put 2 in my cart and went to check out they were raised..dki tried to tell me they never changed the prices and they were never $100 lol.
Immediately, the center vent (or lack there of) is a big turn off. I'll keep watching to see how it does, but that's always been a must for me if I'm expecting low frequency reproduction. Thanks for the video!
I havent seen your vids in a while. Im glad to see you have more confidence! Even the way you speak has gotten better. Keep doing great things parker :)
That was surprising for sure. Great review Parker!!
Thanks for this video I went and bought a wlldse 15 inch 3600 and it's awesome!!! I had a sundown u series 15 before and the wlldse out shines the sundown hands down. Thanks again Parker the basshead.
Lies 😂
Thanks to you and one other who did a review on an Amazon sub,I bought 4 harmony audio carbon 10s on 2 jp33s wired to .67 each,pretty nasty and they gobble up the power,thanks for what ya do man
Both made in china....prolly the same company, same people assembling em...just a different dustcap, coil, mark-up.
Dang that thing was taking some power
I've heard lots of good about these, was gonna buy one until I got a bdc3 for really good deal. Impressive to see it last thru the abuse, I feel like the DB test was alil disappointing tho. Surely youd think it would break 140 considering most decent single 12s will.
I love the little hint at the end of the video, I can't wait for the sundown show build lol.
Relative loudness at the windshield is a function of the vehicles resonant frequency, the location of the box, its vent or sealed baffle direction etc. I would be curious to see him swap the woofer out to lots of other brands in the same box facing the same way and play the same tracks.
Seeing him compare those results to what a program like Winisd or similar software shows would also be interesting.
I used to do DB Drag in a 1978 Toyota pickup with a 20R engine. Below the back window I cut out the metal to install a vented box in the bed of the truck. The box front was where the wall below the window used to be. That box started with (2) JL Audio 10" W3D2s that hit 146+db at 45hz at one of the DB Drag shows in the (2) woofer category. It was powered by (2) Crossfire cheater amps that were rated at like 35watts X 2 but at a low enough impedance they would put out 732 watts rms when bridged.
That box I tuned for maximum sound quality. Later I built a bigger box that was over 10 cubic foot for (2) Crossfire super cheap DB model 15"s and hit 154.7db at 57hz. That box I tuned specifially to hit 10hz above the vehicles resonant frequency due to the known phenomenon of the resonant frequency shifting up when you pressurize the vehicle due to high spl. I did break my original wind shield but the new one held up well with the wipers bouncing inches off the glass. This was way back in like 2001.
I mean he did the db test in a prefab box...
Wow that sub did pretty good. Thats awesome for a budget build. Have you seen those golden eagle subs? Seen a few builds with em and they pound as well. $175 for a 15 inch 1500rms sub. Itd be cool to see you do a vid on those 😁
They're very solid subs. They get down
I almost got those on eBay before I ordered my EVL18s they where pretty much same price for 2 18s it was like 20 dollar difference
Thanks for the test… it’s funny that he refuses to give the sub its props… it did well, but he kept downplaying it… lol
I saw this sub on Amazon about a month ago and seriously considered buying one. Scored a U18 instead.
Another great video Parker very economical sub for the price point thanks again Parker
Как иногда после работы приятно вас иностранцев посмотреть!🤟🤗 Я поэтому и подписался мне нравятся твои обзоры и тесты авто систем!👌 У меня у самого 4 колонки суммарно киловатт из 2 здоровенных колонок😊
I remember when big magnet subs like that were a fortune, unattainable, now they are easily attainable for any person with the love for audio.
I changed out my amps a few times to check something, I started with a crossfire 1000 watt mono block amp to push a set of 12s JLs W3, that amp made those subs sound great!!! then I tried a MTX 1000 watt amp, same thing happened, they sounded great, so then I tried a cheap CT Sound 1000 watt amp and again it sounded awesome. it seems to me that it doesn't matter really what kind of amp you have, BC I did this same thing with subs. the JLs handled everything and still sounded great, but when I changed the subs from JLs to Orion XTRs DVCs they blew, MTXs blew, crossfires blew, the only thing that sounded good through out my experiment was the JLs. so from now on, im not spending boat loads of cash on amps. im happy with cheap amps, but you can not skip on the subs. I recommend JLs or anything that might be better. but amps, they all seem to sound the same to me. it might be different in competitions, but for the people just wanting some shove in their rides, cheap amps work for me, they might work for you too.
We want to see you do 6-12s asap!
About to cop four of these lol
I wished that we could get over the made in China thingy due to most manufacturers are using those components due to a better profit margin and let's not get it twisted...its all about the revenue.....either you you will like it or you will not and the ultimate goal is does it work well within one's budget.
Thanks for introducing this sub...it is a nice offing for those whom are limited or just starting off in car audio.
I think I’m just going to do a budget build with 2 of these joints tbh atleast it would be cheaper and better than Skar🤣
Great video Parker! I would love to see you try out a colossal sounds ultra series those subs are some beasts!
You should make a video on the u15 it would be awesome but it’s a disappointment that they are discontinuing the u15v1 only gonna be making the u15v2 now.
Wow! Im about to drop this same subwoofer video this week, I got different results but overall great video!!
That was impressive
Le is off the charts at a high 2 this sub made for spl/rap in a ported box
Also got the 12" version in a skar prefab vented single sub box actually like these for the price I say they are pretty good.
Thank you so much Parker for doing these videos!
Would be nice for a comparison even if it's a quick mention in the middle of a future SD vid..
I heard this sub in person today it was crazy! He has custom box on it tuned to 35hz and he hit 144db!! With taramps 3k
can you test a ground zero sub with that test, it would be interesting since here in finland gz is thaught as a good all around sub
I also hope your read your contract with Def Bonce, some of those demo vehicle contracts can kinda put you in a bad spot. Like back in the day I had a buddy do one with M.A. Audio and they pretty much could come and pick his car up if they wanted it for something as long as they gave him 5 days notice.
No contract at all. And paid for all the equipment
@@ParkerTheBasshead that's good, glad to hear. I've been watching you grow for a long time now.
*His smile will let you know they hitting!* 😄😄
This looks like a sub that Sundown made but it didn't pass QC due to a visual defect that wouldn't affect performance. Sundown would have then sold it to a secondary company who resells it under a different name.
They're all made same build house in China same as skar. Every year wlldse drops some serious fkn baddies frfr.
@@christopherparis6841Skar doesn't use this build house. Skar is China Future Sound, and airways has been.. same with Audio Legion, which was the sister company
When you gonna try the new Solo X subwoofer?
Idk I wanted to get a 15 but waiting on them to come out
@@ParkerTheBasshead gotcha okay. Can’t wait til that video to drop.
Yeah we want to see it go against sundown and we want to see if it can go 5 minutes or more.
Love these videos man 💯💯
Parker what's up with all the AVATAR-STU? A little sneak peak of what's to come soon?
Yessir 👀
Love my DC subs. I know what box they require. Glad I didn't buy Deaf Bonce ! About to order 6 level 6 18s for my Escalade.
Was thinking about buying dc audio instead I went a fi neo 4.11 18
This is the second time I’ve watched this video. Every time I watch it I die laughing at that DC shot you threw out. It’s a shame cause most of their stuff is fantastic. Either way it’s hilarious and I love the shot taken 😂. Keep bassin on dude and keep torturing those sub!!
I got the ma515d2 for my dj sub box so far I'm loving the sound
The reason the Sundown U Series stuff is on sale and out of stock is because Sundown has the new U series revisions ready to roll out and the old U is being closed out. My local dealer has been selling me U Series 12's for $300 out the door for a couple of years, though.
The sa now use the U frames...
@@jayrands5380 Yeah, no shit. It's in the product description.
i saw these.....and now you post a vid....Google is spooky bro lol
For real!
I can't wait till you start reviewing deaf bonce 3015rs
Thats excitting to hear about your new build with DB.
Yeah good luck getting one of them uv1 they've been sold out since before this video was shot but for some reason they're still marked on sale
I think it's a crazy good deal for 150 bucks
That frame was patented by Hollywood sound labs in 2003. It is called the dragon claw frame.
Bro pretty impressive
You should try 12 inch directed sx12d4 I love it it’s been pounding for years
didn't have to crap on the dc just because alphard sponsored this vid!lol!😜
So now we all know how much cheaper Sundown and pretty much all higher end companies can sell their equipment. Especially being as tho none of them really offer a real warranty.
Hey that sub was great it held up well i wish the were a available here in the uk well worth the money
So my question would be do you think you can re-cone with a Sundown recons?
I had the wlldse subs years ago it was the candy purple motor
That is really good for a knock-off! Just think....if it were in a MBEnclosure sub box!
Then he would not of been able to buy subs cause the BOX was 1000
@@jayrands5380 Oh WOW! I didn't know they cost that much! Shazaam!
The Sundown X line are made in China and they are a pretty nice sub line
I’d try one for sure. Thanks for the video Parker
Most tend to forget or are oblivious to most today's companies purchase the same parts from the same manufacturer so that their are no such thing as a clone just similar due to the shared parts inventiory.
But their will always be slight differences.
But it all come down to preference and to be truthful me as well as a few others out here will purchase these type of subs rather pay for a brands name because it's a hobby and not full blown competition.
D4S doesn’t have them for sale. They discontinued it. I tried to order from them and they took my money and asked me to upgrade to a 600 sub so I would’ve had to spend an extra 600
If they don't have what you want, get your money back.
Been watching for awhile and realized I wasn't subscribed, I fixed that😅 Hey got a challenge for you I have not seen one other person on RUclips try...second generation Toyota tundra 2007-2013 crewmax behind the seat subwoofer box build. Couple 8s, 10s, 12s, maybe bunch of 6 5s...that something you could do? I see lots of stuff for 3rd gen Tundra but not 2nd gen, huge audience there...what do you think?
I appreciate you!!
It's odd that most see a component of a product that is similar to one of a popular Brand and automatically conclude that it is a copy not understanding that most of all audio components are being outsourced to a manufacturer to cut the cost.( a few profit more off that same component due to its popularity)
I would definitely like to see a comparison to sundown. Maybe through in a Black Diamond subwoofer too. I recently got a couple black diamond 12"s and just looking at them they seem impressive for what they are.
Review Trinity audio H series
I bought the M15. It sounds great! It could sound better, the guy that built my box must of had a bad day to say tbd least !! Any recommendations? I live in Arizona and want to have a dual 15” box made for a Az Honda CRV. I have the Def Bounce 7900.1 that should power two of those Trinity’s mighty fine. Think I should fill up the hatch area and put a fourth order in it? Let me know what you guys think and I’ll send some pics.
@@charlescherrier3007 they should sound great in any enclosure honestly, you have more space to play with than I do I have a mazda 3 hatchback
Nice video as always
Thank you as always!!
Also looks similar to my sa v3 15 sundown subs basket wise but honestly bro great review and sadly just blew my subs up today cuz getting ready for recone so blew up my zv5 12s and sa v3 15s and neos so be ready bro for the next demo in zilla
139 in what looks to be a skar prefab is pretty good should do low 140's in a proper box which is awesome for the price
Great review of this budget sub. Looks to be a decent performer! Cant wait to see what you do with all that new DB gear! Thanks Parker!
Hey Parker, it would be cool if you could give us the shipping dimensions and weight. In future videos. It could help everyone who’s not in the continental 48.
Yo P been a min, have you looked at the Monolith 18” Harmony Audio? Nice vid bub
I see like 5 STU boxes in the background! 🤔
There are 8 actually 👀
Thought it was gonna blow give the sub some love
you should deffinetly compare the sundown u15 to this sub im curious to also see your opinion on the sundown u 15