Chuck Todd ! Even his name sounds like a moron. Doubt if Chomsky , Hedges would bother going on these shows anyway. Questions just way , way too simple and weighted in the tv stations ad peoples interests. So unless Noam can fit Ben&Jerry's salted caramel ice cream into his speech while he bemoaned the social situation in small town America , you've got no chance. Belittle money and you nulify these corporate , power mad , individuals. Who crave ALL the money. Which is weird and greedy and should of been dealt with in infancy.
"The most effective form of censorship is to allow a very narrow range of topics in the public discourse, but to allow very lively debate within this range". I'm paraphrasing, but this is a Chomsky quote which is pretty apt for this.
MillionthUsername No he´s not. He is a well educated, erudite, and honest. Many, such as yourself, would do well to take him seriously, and if you have disagreement address the issues. Throwing out such unfounded accusations without any back up is the hight of dishonesty.
KbcBerlin For people who support or cannot bear to examine the things he speaks out against (basically the abuse of power by great powers) calling him a liar or a self hating jew or some other such nonsense has been their only retort . How is it that someone who is considered one of the great intellectuals of the 20th - 21st century on linguistic and political thought and structure is never brought on CNN or ABC or any of the mainstream media when there is some big events happening to give his opinion , never . Why is that , because he speaks TRUTH to power and that can't be allowed . Sheep need to be kept in the pen . People who call Chomsky a liar are sheep or liars , either unknowingly (sheep) or knowingly.
Eddie Bernays i dont discount your main point about chomsky, that he makes obvious remarks about the ills of american capitalism - im sure chomsky himself might agree with this. not sure about your corn maze analogy, i have been to Laos and saw the devastation wrought on the population and mountains there by US bombs, which was confirmed by locals themselves.
7kurisu I don't doubt that bombs were dropped there. but Chomskys 'comments can be found here www.democracynow.org/blog/2013/5/23/video_jeremy_scahill_noam_chomsky_on_secret_us_dirty_wars_from_laos_to_yemen_to_pakistan. The bit Im referring to starts when He is first given the mike, through till about 3: 00 He recounts how Fred Branfman told him that a 'high offical' had told HIM that the reason why the US was bombing the bejesus out of Northern Laos, by Chomskys estimate a ''peasant society at best' was that the US was currently (at that time) in a cessation of bombing Vietnam, was that 'we had all these planes and nothing to do with them, so we will bomb Laos'.... Chomsky concludes this anecdote by saying that 'OK, I think that’s the lesson of history that we should bare in mind in reading Jeremy’s exposures'. Thats IT ! That this passes for intellectual rigour in either estimating the causation back then, or in the recounting of this today to lend credence to Scahills personal beliefs that the US invades for no other reason than it can, is typical of the misplaced reverence that people Chomsky. I have no doubt that underhanded things happen in all wars, but as an alleged polymath, and '...one of the great intellectuals of the 20th - 21st century on linguistic and political thought and structure..; no less, his contributions here are not even amateur, they are fire side chats with two disaffected uncles whinging about 'whats wrong with the world' and relying on nothing more than personal axes to grind an OTHER PEOPLES hearsay.
Don't forget the forced labor in the prison industrial complex. Also, if you're in a low enough class, the forms of oppression at work are subtler than China's but still as atrocious.
And yet knowing they are slaves they create more beings that are doomed to slavery. Shows how selfish and cruel humans are by nature, almost all of us. Or at least living mostly driven by unconscious need. How could this ever change? It's always been this way. I know one sure way. Antinatalism but that has maybe one chance in 8 billion. Not very good odds.
We are not this body, this mind, these thoughts, nor these emotions, not this intellect, this ego, nor these conditionings (super ego ) but we are the 'Pure' Spirit, but it is this also, that we must also, become...'becoming' IS the Point! Self realisation is the STARTING Point, of reality! To realise the Self, is to become the Self, our true Self ; the Spirit! Which ALL the Scriptures have said this samething! Sahaja yoga is different from other yogas, because it STARTS with Self realisation, instead of that being an unobtainable goal, of 's false practice /ritual! Btw Sahaja yoga is NEVER ritualistic, but is a protocol. ..to achieving our Second birth! And is always FREE! Because Self realisation is a birth right, besides it's a 'Living' process...how do you pay a seed, to sprout? Search 'Shree Mataji public programmes' please may you watch the whole talk ...but at the end of most of these talks, the holy Mother gives self realisation (as an 'Actulisation' and not as an nonsensical falsehood!) "Know thy Self!" The time has come that God, can be PROVEN...on our Central nervous system!
Excellent point, - he asks a question and then actually listens instead of interrupting. Morons like Tucker Carlson (most of FOX,'s people, in fact) could learn a lot from interviewers like Hedges.
I've recently seen a number of you tube videos with Chomsky, and It's astonishing the amount of knowledge he has. His brain is like the encyclopedia brittanica. He's the Einstein of political intellectualism. Chris Hedges is no slouch either.
This interview is so informative and the 15-20 books I could make out on Noam Chomsky's book shelf will be enough to keep me busy for awhile. Thanks WD!!!
I'm always in awe of the sheer breadth of Chomskys knowledge. It's like he knows the goings on of the entire world dating back over a century. His recall of facts and figures is astounding. He is an absolute treasure intellectually and progressively to the left and to the entire world. It's great to know that he at least gets the recognition he deserves abroad, if not in his home country. I hope one day he will gain that domestic recognition, even if its posthumously.
F. Yo. Couch IV true my friend Walter Lipman wrote that the masses are the bewildered herd and easy to control and he also said we must remember they always have the power......but what are they interested in the x factor sometimes my brain hurts...
Yes slavery is natural. Most of humanity is superstitious and ignorant and easily controlled. And all they really have power over is there ability to create other ignorant humans and so they do it without thought and with abandon. No hope.
+teeswatertom We are experiencing the re-ghettoization of "White" America. And our country is being flooded with cheep crap made abroad as never before.
+Allison Hunt You are directing your comments to the wrong person . You need to directed your thoughts to Mr Chomsky . If you are going to call him out on what he said at least talk to him not me .
I know as much as anyone . That is nothing but what others tell me . Every one of them feel they have all the truth . I know from a lifetime of experiences that today's truth is tomorrows lie . There is one sides truth and there is the other sides truth and some where in the middle it the real truth.
Wow, this is the metaphorical "passing of the torch" Chris from one generation to the other. Both of you of my intellectual heroes. Wade Goodwin, The FAIR Digest, Cape Town, South Africa
From Thoreau, to Du Bois, to Chomsky and now you Chris. The new torch bearer of the American dissident intellectual class. Wade Goodwin, The FAIR Digest, Cape Town, South Africa
Knowing both of their works pretty well and having heard Chomsky say most of this many times throughout the last few decades it does kinda seem like it was a "I know this, you know this, we've both been saying it for most of our lives. But this is for the people who haven't had the opportunity or can't sit through talks" lol Solid stuff regardless. If Chomsky, Parenti, Hedges, and Varoufakis were household names we'd be living in a very different world and consistently moving in the right direction. ✊
listening to these.two democratic titans I can't help feeling hopeless, insofar as their respective analysis of the absolute and insidious dominance of corporate power seems to overshadow by far both Noam's (I think nostalgic) belief in the potential of workers to assume ownership and Chris's (more cynical) call for revolution... I would like to say, however, at the risk of pissing some of my fellow commentators off, that I think it does no good to fetishize how smart these and other people like them are -- that just distances you from what they are recommending you do! -- rather I suggest lauding their character and responding (in every sense of the word) to their formidable insights and commitment.
Chomsky goes against that somewhat in his saying that we actually have a pretty good amount of freedom in this society and the control of state actors is fragile.
madelefant05 yes that's true and therein lies hope -- however he doesn't really get into how to 'resist' the propaganda machine or other tools of corporate and liberal-elite power, like surveillance, which he and hedges understand so well; and so his notion of democratic freedom and power being readily available if only people would reach out and take it comes off imo as a bit (academically) theoretical and romantic.
I think its an incorrect paraphrase to assert that Noam believes the potential of workers to assume ownership. I think its more that the population itself should control the outcomes relating to their own lives and futures.
youcreatea i will listen again but i'm fairly certain Noam states this explicitly. also, not sure what you mean by "the population itself should control the outcomes relating to their own lives and futures" do you mean through conventional political participation?
A rare treat - two of my favourite public intellectuals. Both men I admire and respect for their courage, their willingness to speak the plain truth about the nature of Power and the dangerous historical moments we are all living through. Both are powerful advocates of revolt in an age where revolt is as unthinkable as its necessity is universal. Chris Hedges has a tremendous wisdom and exudes a muscular humanity combining moral authority with personable humility. He would have made a terrific minister - but making a much better revolutionary, is almost the personification of the ethical and moral force of mass insurgency. Chomsky on the other hand I love. As simple as that. He's like a grandfather figure now, and I have learned much from this tireless dissident over many years. Just goes to show, somewhat ironically perhaps - anarchists make, and always have made, great and timelessly inspirational leaders. from Durruti to Orwell and beyond. Chomsky and Hedges are in the end just part of a venerable tradition - one which shapes history. Remember History? It's up to us to make it happen.
The Redcar Steel plant in the UK has just announced closure. If occupy and crowd funding got together with the workers, who are now redundant, would it be possible to get the plant taken into the hands of the producers?
Elaine Walters It could become a worker-owned collective, yes. There is funding available for co-ops, and the workers could collectively invest the remainder of the money. Crowdsourced capital.
Nancy Bacheldar It would have been wonderful to see the two of them joined by Howard Zinn in discussing labor history and possible directions for the future.
A word about Occupy from someone who was there... This was an employed and unemployed, young profession class that was protesting real issues of the day.. They were protesting banking and government malfeasance working in tandem with the corporate media. It did not take them long to realize that the police were working with the NSA government intelligence apparatus and it had the power to ruin lives from behind the scenes.. Knowing this, Occupy dissolved.
This is why you never see Chomsky in the media: Hedges: "...what's the new paradigm for resistance? How do we learn from the old and confront the new? Chomsky 02:09 "The people driven into the system regarded it as an attack on their personal dignity..." 04:15 "...enormous movement of farmers who wanted to free themselves from..." 06:30 "...the British were desperate to get the Americans into the war with a pacifist population, Woodrow Wilson won the 1916 election..." 08:27 "...free from the roar and the trampling of the bewildered herd, the ignorant and meddlesome outsiders..." 11:02 "...out of that comes the huge public relations industry, massive industry dedicated to this, indecently it's also dedicated to undermining markets..." 12:51 "...so if you've gone to all the good schools you have instilled into you the understanding..." 14:38 "...at one point the US Southern Command which ran..was overseer of these actions gave instructions to the terrorist force..." 16:15 "...we have to compare the blood and misery poured in with the success of the outcome in producing democracy..." Concluded at 17:36 without even addressing the question. Hedges tries to redirect him, asking him what workers can do *today* to regain control of production since all our manufacturing has been exported overseas and he launches into a tirade about fracking and damage to the environment. When he attempts to give examples of workers taking control of industry, his example is of a failed attempt of workers to own a coal mine, then talks about Walmart workers organizing but not taking ownership of the company. He then tries to make the case that if government develops a technology, all future improvements should then be owned by the government (WTF??). This guy has no new ideas but simply mines old territory that's not relevant to our current challenges.
No, sorry, this isn't the reason we don't see him 'in the media'. Countless others, not least of all our politicians, are far more guilty of question evasion, and with Chomsky, if he evades a question he at least says something substantive in its place. The failure of the initiatives you mention is not proof that these are not the right approaches. Rather they just didn't go far enough or gather enough broad-based, active support. We often think that the only ideas that will work are the ones that are the newest - but this is a fallacy born out of economic mythology from the industrial revolution to silicon valley.
***** I seek to know if our industrial civilization has collapsed. Chomsky tells us of attempts to prevent what has spread within our government and laws. Any lessons from the past have great value to we who brace for impact. Your musical video collection shows bewilderment and angst, the condition Chomsky points out in our family and culture today.
Well the fact he "evades" is just to give enough conext about how things used to be and the challenges it faced over time. I think it is very useful in reflection to today's status quo. One other thing you should know about Chmosky is that he always avoids prescribing fast-track easy solutions to problems of such magnitude because there are rarely clear-cut solutions to ethical problems and the media always poses stupid questions like that to their interviewees hoping for a response that reinforces their agenda behind the question. Ordinary people only deal with absolutes and that's why just get lost when an honest intellectual takes a cautious stance and rather than dishing out quick fixes he
If only.....I would be permitted to express an opinion or thought without being talked over, or interrupted. ..Just like these gentlemen. ..ah joy oh bliss😊....Unfortunately my family is half Italian and half Ukrainian. There's not a hope in hell of getting a word in edgewise😠
My discovery of Chomsky and the following explosion of the illusion of American Exceptionalism and morality reminds me of when it started dawning on me that religion and god was bullshit. Btw, Chomsky's ability for recall, including quoting almost verbatim entire paragraphs at times, the date of publication, as well the historical context of the text he cites is just astounding. His memory seems almost eidetic in nature.
God ... My brain has been so warped by the ESPN..ing of news, I can barely follow the interview My attention span: "WHY ARENT THEY YELLING AT EACH OTHER?!"
Does anyone know where I might gain access to history texts about the mid to late 19th century labour movements and such things? That history is entirely unfamiliar to me!
A history of America in Ten Strikes by Erik Loomis is a good place to start surveying US labor history. American labor has always faced a more violent and forceful opposition from owners and state than many of our European counterparts. What's surprising to see today, is how vibrant and widespread the labor movement was. And how total and intentional it's destruction was. But I have hope, especially with our teachers and nurses in the current labor movement. People seem to be waking up again.
"I hate this fast growing tendency to chain men to machines in big factories and deprive them of all joy in their efforts - the plan will lead to cheap men and cheap products." Richard Wagner (1813 - 1883)
bcci324 NO ! ! ! Dr. Chomsky wants you to look at his and others ideas on merit ! Not place him and others in a hierarchically system that bestows honour and respect--without thought and questing for truth. Dr. ? Fine he earned it. Noam ? I think he would smile at you and listen more than talk. He knows his thoughts. Looking to see if you have any. Which is way this so GOOD !!!! Chris Hedges is a thoughtful man. Great thinker & writer. Peace.
I disagree with Chomsky about the use of force. The drones, the ones that fly, the ones that walk will be used to apply as much force as they want, no chance of some soldiers or policeman rebelling against the powerful.
He means that privileged members of society aren't, and cannot be, subjected to state violence because of the power that they hold. This is not true of marginalized members of society, who are effectively powerless.
@25.30 a wonderful, factual and demonstratable point is made. I like Noam but what is his "call to action"?. Well, it's "try this and see." The super/hyper wealthy who now are allowed to fund candidates with any financial restraint per the Citizens United decision (possibly the worst decision ever by the Supreme Court. The second being the ridiulous Hobby Lobby decision.) will hold the candidates they have funded in perpetuity as the super wealthy can fund a candidiate simply with the money that falls out of their wallet. The super/hyper wealthy simply say "If you enjoyed being a senator, then do what I want and I will finance you again....and again....and again...." It is an open secret to know which candidate is receiving enormous dark money from which hyper rich supporter. Only a revolution will overtun this. NOT sitting in chairs and speaking about the enormous class and monetary differneces between the fantastically wealthy and the desperately poor. What we have now is not justice. It is not humane. It IS UNAmerican.
@ 39:55 Chomsky says how Japan offered the states a low interest loan to build high speed rail. Why would the US _need_ a loan from Japan? Secondly, why would a nation who's debt is around 200% GDP be actively loaning out money for another nations infrastructure. What an odd statement / situation...
Harry Harger Its true that Japans debt is close to 200% but it is also true that most of that debt is owe internally owe to their people. Japan sells their high tech internationally so they have lots of $. Those dollars are valuable and can be loaned to anyone who could used them and pay them back. Why the USA can not just print Dollars, they could but if they do they have to borrow them dollars anyways and more if the dollars are printed they still have to pay interest on them, because the US $ is the international currency it is not just the USA currency. So printing is monetizing the debt creating more dollars, the $ value will decrease faster then if the already existing dollars are borrow.
Chomsky, as usual, shows his fabulous knowledge about world and human affairs, current and historic, but seems to have a rather optimistic view of what may happen, …if only…. He uses too many words like "could", or "may"; that is, he recognizes the possibility of "significant" change (for the better), but seems to ignore the probabilities that those things will happen. Also, he often speaks past the questions posed to him, going off into a long discourse not quite pertinent to the questions posed. Maddening to me.
Most of the content of the interview is not new or surprising. Its power exceeds because these are two of the most credible people on the planet, at least that I know of.
i cant help being overwhelmed by sadness...listening to these 2 giants and seeing our life being hijacked by petty thugs, mindless entertainment and vulgar propaganda. Noam and Chris should be our standard core not the exception
Well in terms of what violence can be inflicted by omnipotent police forces against who... Chris hedges nailed it and Chomsky missed it... Not saying that Chomsky missed everything but he missed that
Capitalism is not the problem in the world ( although it will always require a government to monitor it). Fractional reserve banking is. It forces a constant economic growth to be maintained which in turn affects everything adversely including the environment. We have to let the banking system fail/crash. ie; No Bailouts! Like Iceland did.
3:39 'craftsman vs a wage earner. Selling what you make vs selling yourself....which is deeply offensive.They condemned the New Spirt Of The Age " Gain wealth for getting (it ) all but loosing (one's ) self" Nowadays we've been taught to see ourselves as a part of a larger machine. We have a "newtonian parts mentality" so we're all just cogs in a wheel. Love The Naom. Wish I had more time. Brilliant.
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Imagine if these were the types of conversations being had on Sunday talk shows instead of Chuck Todd and Meet The Right Wing Press.
Move over CNN Anderson Cooper ha ha ha ha....
God I fucking hate Chuck Todd.
Chuck Todd ! Even his name sounds like a moron. Doubt if Chomsky , Hedges would bother going on these shows anyway. Questions just way , way too simple and weighted in the tv stations ad peoples interests. So unless Noam can fit Ben&Jerry's salted caramel ice cream into his speech while he bemoaned the social situation in small town America , you've got no chance. Belittle money and you nulify these corporate , power mad , individuals. Who crave ALL the money. Which is weird and greedy and should of been dealt with in infancy.
Or the overbearing meritless lies of the leftist MSM manipulating the public toward liberal totalitarianism and fascist revolt.
"The most effective form of censorship is to allow a very narrow range of topics in the public discourse, but to allow very lively debate within this range". I'm paraphrasing, but this is a Chomsky quote which is pretty apt for this.
Its sad for us that figures like Chomsky or Hedges are so marginalized in our MSM , they truly are brilliant.
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No he´s not. He is a well educated, erudite, and honest. Many, such as yourself, would do well to take him seriously, and if you have disagreement address the issues.
Throwing out such unfounded accusations without any back up is the hight of dishonesty.
KbcBerlin For people who support or cannot bear to examine the things he speaks out against (basically the abuse of power by great powers) calling him a liar or a self hating jew or some other such nonsense has been their only retort . How is it that someone who is considered one of the great intellectuals of the 20th - 21st century on linguistic and political thought and structure is never brought on CNN or ABC or any of the mainstream media when there is some big events happening to give his opinion , never . Why is that , because he speaks TRUTH to power and that can't be allowed . Sheep need to be kept in the pen . People who call Chomsky a liar are sheep or liars , either unknowingly (sheep) or knowingly.
Harbringe It is a rigged game.
Eddie Bernays i dont discount your main point about chomsky, that he makes obvious remarks about the ills of american capitalism - im sure chomsky himself might agree with this. not sure about your corn maze analogy, i have been to Laos and saw the devastation wrought on the population and mountains there by US bombs, which was confirmed by locals themselves.
7kurisu I don't doubt that bombs were dropped there. but Chomskys 'comments can be found here
www.democracynow.org/blog/2013/5/23/video_jeremy_scahill_noam_chomsky_on_secret_us_dirty_wars_from_laos_to_yemen_to_pakistan. The bit Im referring to starts when He is first given the mike, through till about 3: 00
He recounts how Fred Branfman told him that a 'high offical' had told HIM that the reason why the US was bombing the bejesus out of Northern Laos, by Chomskys estimate a ''peasant society at best' was that the US was currently (at that time) in a cessation of bombing Vietnam, was that 'we had all these planes and nothing to do with them, so we will bomb Laos'.... Chomsky concludes this anecdote by saying that 'OK, I think that’s the lesson of history that we should bare in mind in reading Jeremy’s exposures'. Thats IT !
That this passes for intellectual rigour in either estimating the causation back then, or in the recounting of this today to lend credence to Scahills personal beliefs that the US invades for no other reason than it can, is typical of the misplaced reverence that people Chomsky. I have no doubt that underhanded things happen in all wars, but as an alleged polymath, and '...one of the great intellectuals of the 20th - 21st century on linguistic and political thought and structure..; no less, his contributions here are not even amateur, they are fire side chats with two disaffected uncles whinging about 'whats wrong with the world' and relying on nothing more than personal axes to grind an OTHER PEOPLES hearsay.
Noam Chomsky has not been invited on the corporate media since the 70s. We are a country in decay.
"The only difference between working for a wage and being a slave is that working for a wage is supposedly temporary."
Don't forget the forced labor in the prison industrial complex. Also, if you're in a low enough class, the forms of oppression at work are subtler than China's but still as atrocious.
And yet knowing they are slaves they create more beings that are doomed to slavery. Shows how selfish and cruel humans are by nature, almost all of us. Or at least living mostly driven by unconscious need. How could this ever change? It's always been this way. I know one sure way. Antinatalism but that has maybe one chance in 8 billion. Not very good odds.
We are not this body, this mind, these thoughts, nor these emotions, not this intellect, this ego, nor these conditionings (super ego ) but we are the 'Pure' Spirit, but it is this also, that we must also, become...'becoming' IS the Point!
Self realisation is the STARTING Point, of reality!
To realise the Self, is to become the Self, our true Self ; the Spirit!
Which ALL the Scriptures have said this samething!
Sahaja yoga is different from other yogas, because it STARTS with Self realisation, instead of that being an unobtainable goal, of 's false practice /ritual!
Btw Sahaja yoga is NEVER ritualistic, but is a protocol. ..to achieving our Second birth!
And is always FREE! Because Self realisation is a birth right, besides it's a 'Living' process...how do you pay a seed, to sprout?
Search 'Shree Mataji public programmes' please may you watch the whole talk ...but at the end of most of these talks, the holy Mother gives self realisation (as an 'Actulisation' and not as an nonsensical falsehood!)
"Know thy Self!"
The time has come that God, can be PROVEN...on our Central nervous system!
@@peterstone9316 Shut the fuck up moron
Profound..
A lesson in listening by Chris Hedges - he understands that his guest needs no goading or prodding. Thanks
Excellent point, - he asks a question and then actually listens instead of interrupting. Morons like Tucker Carlson (most of FOX,'s people, in fact) could learn a lot from interviewers like Hedges.
You can tell he genuinely wants to listen to his insights. Great to see in an interview
Noam Chomsky is a national treasure.
How true. God Bless the man and his intelligent influence on others
Brazil disagrees. He is a world treasure.
One of, if not the best interview of Chomsky....by another intellectual no less. Very informative.
brains are really something, money is what many prefer, me, i like wolin, cornel west, , Chomsky, hedges and others
00:00 - 07:30 / Class struggle, US History
07:30 - 14:00 / Manufacturing consent
15:00 - 31:30 / Class struggle today in the US
31:30 - 35:00 / Propaganda
35:00 - 37:00 / Occupy
50:00 / Climate Change
bless you sir
Nothing like watching one great mind interview another.
I've recently seen a number of you tube videos with Chomsky, and It's astonishing the amount of knowledge he has. His brain is like the encyclopedia brittanica.
He's the Einstein of political intellectualism.
Chris Hedges is no slouch either.
I could listen to these two go back and forth all day. Fascinating.
This interview is so informative and the 15-20 books I could make out on Noam Chomsky's book shelf will be enough to keep me busy for awhile. Thanks WD!!!
brian hibbs I know !!!! See a few I have owned or read. I would love to have the list. These two are people we should hold dear while we have them.
I'm always in awe of the sheer breadth of Chomskys knowledge. It's like he knows the goings on of the entire world dating back over a century. His recall of facts and figures is astounding. He is an absolute treasure intellectually and progressively to the left and to the entire world. It's great to know that he at least gets the recognition he deserves abroad, if not in his home country. I hope one day he will gain that domestic recognition, even if its posthumously.
So many things they're speaking about have changed in the 6yrs since this interview. Sheesh
Yeah, I have read so much over my lifetime, but its recall which seems to be my weakness.
Recall is the quiet engine of intelligence
Wonderful to see Hedges and Chomsky together. Frightening to hear what they say though.
OMG! The author of The Empire of Illusion and Noam? AWESOME.
Excellent interview, two of the best intellectuals of today in my opinion.
Sad that in nine months, such a video could only have 48,000 views.
Troy Parfitt ppl are dumb and distracted by
the BS the media puts out...id much rather watch this than the Kardashians.......
F. Yo. Couch IV true my friend Walter Lipman wrote that the masses are the bewildered herd and easy to control and he also said we must remember they always have the power......but what are they interested in the x factor sometimes my brain hurts...
Troy Parfitt x factor 300 million plus...one huge problem...
Troy Parfitt That's because people too distracted by Kim Kardashian's rear-end :).
Yes slavery is natural. Most of humanity is superstitious and ignorant and easily controlled. And all they really have power over is there ability to create other ignorant humans and so they do it without thought and with abandon. No hope.
Both these men are very very smart. Easy to understand and very clear thoughts
Thanks for posting this video
You are loved and prayed for...God bless you
I'm so excited! These guys are some of my favorite writers!
Two of my favourite Americans.
these guys are so articulate educated, intelligent and informed, listening to them is very interesting and nourishing.
Chomsky is the people’s intellectual ♥️✌️
I like this Interview by Chris Hedges with Noam Chomsky.
My Chomsky tells it like it is ! It is not what the majority believes it is,because it is the truth!
+teeswatertom We are experiencing the re-ghettoization of "White" America. And our country is being flooded with cheep crap made abroad as never before.
+Allison Hunt You are directing your comments to the wrong person . You need to directed your thoughts to Mr Chomsky . If you are going to call him out on what he said at least talk to him not me .
Opinions are like elbows we all have two of them !
I know as much as anyone . That is nothing but what others tell me . Every one of them feel they have all the truth . I know from a lifetime of experiences that today's truth is tomorrows lie . There is one sides truth and there is the other sides truth and some where in the middle it the real truth.
Believe whatever you want . So will I . Many will agree with you and many will not. Deal with that truth . You see that is also the way it is .
Wow, this is the metaphorical "passing of the torch" Chris from one generation to the other. Both of you of my intellectual heroes. Wade Goodwin, The FAIR Digest, Cape Town, South Africa
for thirty plus years he has been a been a beacon
I would love to peruse Chomsky's book collection.
A Skeptical Human I would love to own it. Wonder if he has a list ?
Robert Glenn San Socie You can write him an email. He often responds. I myself asked him something and he responded.
+Robert Glenn San Socie he does have a list actually i can send it to you
+Indani Josh thank you ! Please send it.
+Indani Josh send me the list too
From Thoreau, to Du Bois, to Chomsky and now you Chris. The new torch bearer of the American dissident intellectual class. Wade Goodwin, The FAIR Digest, Cape Town, South Africa
Still listening to you two in 2017 and hoping the government someday will, too ...
These guys are so well read, they're just looking at each other like, "yeah, I know."
Knowing both of their works pretty well and having heard Chomsky say most of this many times throughout the last few decades it does kinda seem like it was a "I know this, you know this, we've both been saying it for most of our lives. But this is for the people who haven't had the opportunity or can't sit through talks" lol Solid stuff regardless. If Chomsky, Parenti, Hedges, and Varoufakis were household names we'd be living in a very different world and consistently moving in the right direction. ✊
I got a slight adrenaline rush when I saw the title. This can only be great.
Brilliant.. 2 of the only people I believe in the world
Two great lecturers whose words could be carved in stone.
listening to these.two democratic titans I can't help feeling hopeless, insofar as their respective analysis of the absolute and insidious dominance of corporate power seems to overshadow by far both Noam's (I think nostalgic) belief in the potential of workers to assume ownership and Chris's (more cynical) call for revolution... I would like to say, however, at the risk of pissing some of my fellow commentators off, that I think it does no good to fetishize how smart these and other people like them are -- that just distances you from what they are recommending you do! -- rather I suggest lauding their character and responding (in every sense of the word) to their formidable insights and commitment.
Chomsky goes against that somewhat in his saying that we actually have a pretty good amount of freedom in this society and the control of state actors is fragile.
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yes that's true and therein lies hope -- however he doesn't really get into how to 'resist' the propaganda machine or other tools of corporate and liberal-elite power, like surveillance, which he and hedges understand so well; and so his notion of democratic freedom and power being readily available if only people would reach out and take it comes off imo as a bit (academically) theoretical and romantic.
I think its an incorrect paraphrase to assert that Noam believes the potential of workers to assume ownership. I think its more that the population itself should control the outcomes relating to their own lives and futures.
youcreatea i will listen again but i'm fairly certain Noam states this explicitly. also, not sure what you mean by "the population itself should control the outcomes relating to their own lives and futures" do you mean through conventional political participation?
I am talking more about my impression of what Noam believes having listened to a vast quantity of his talks. He probably did explicitly say that lol.
Thank you for uploading. Watching from India.
Chomsky always says in elogent and intelligent words what we all deep down always knew.
Two of the greatest and most valuable minds in the world. Lightning sparks :P
The economy is supposed to serve the people. Now the people serve the economy.
A rare treat - two of my favourite public intellectuals. Both men I admire and respect for their courage, their willingness to speak the plain truth about the nature of Power and the dangerous historical moments we are all living through. Both are powerful advocates of revolt in an age where revolt is as unthinkable as its necessity is universal. Chris Hedges has a tremendous wisdom and exudes a muscular humanity combining moral authority with personable humility. He would have made a terrific minister - but making a much better revolutionary, is almost the personification of the ethical and moral force of mass insurgency. Chomsky on the other hand I love. As simple as that. He's like a grandfather figure now, and I have learned much from this tireless dissident over many years. Just goes to show, somewhat ironically perhaps - anarchists make, and always have made, great and timelessly inspirational leaders. from Durruti to Orwell and beyond. Chomsky and Hedges are in the end just part of a venerable tradition - one which shapes history. Remember History? It's up to us to make it happen.
The Redcar Steel plant in the UK has just announced closure. If occupy and crowd funding got together with the workers, who are now redundant, would it be possible to get the plant taken into the hands of the producers?
Elaine Walters It could become a worker-owned collective, yes. There is funding available for co-ops, and the workers could collectively invest the remainder of the money. Crowdsourced capital.
By the end of this video, it stopped being an interview and started being a debate between the realistic Chomsky and the pessimistic Hedges
❤️❤️❤️❤️ i can’t say anymore i just love the minds of these brilliant men!
Great interview
This man is extremely knowledgeable.
I hope Bangladesh 🇧🇩 one day will produce people like Noam and Chris
Manufacturing ineffectual dissent is the bottom line of talk, but it's better than silence and complicity.
best hour ever
Noam is an oracle of human knowledge. Listen and learn.
Two of the most brilliant men I’ve ever listened to.
Nancy Bacheldar It would have been wonderful to see the two of them joined by Howard Zinn in discussing labor history and possible directions for the future.
The books in the background tells you all you need to know
47:54 Even if you can't stand Chomsky or Hedges, please watch just this 5 minutes portion. It is the only hope spot in an otherwise bleak reality.
Not even a mortal combat combo can match this one.. Thanks guys, your awesome! :-))
thanks for sharing Workplace Democracy
A word about Occupy from someone who was there...
This was an employed and unemployed, young profession class that was protesting real issues of the day..
They were protesting banking and government malfeasance working in tandem with the corporate media.
It did not take them long to realize that the police were working with the NSA government intelligence apparatus and it had the power to ruin lives from behind the scenes..
Knowing this, Occupy dissolved.
Lot's of knowledge in this one.
This is why you never see Chomsky in the media:
Hedges: "...what's the new paradigm for resistance? How do we learn from the old and confront the new?
Chomsky 02:09 "The people driven into the system regarded it as an attack on their personal dignity..."
04:15 "...enormous movement of farmers who wanted to free themselves from..."
06:30 "...the British were desperate to get the Americans into the war with a pacifist population, Woodrow Wilson won the 1916 election..."
08:27 "...free from the roar and the trampling of the bewildered herd, the ignorant and meddlesome outsiders..."
11:02 "...out of that comes the huge public relations industry, massive industry dedicated to this, indecently it's also dedicated to undermining markets..."
12:51 "...so if you've gone to all the good schools you have instilled into you the understanding..."
14:38 "...at one point the US Southern Command which ran..was overseer of these actions gave instructions to the terrorist force..."
16:15 "...we have to compare the blood and misery poured in with the success of the outcome in producing democracy..."
Concluded at 17:36 without even addressing the question. Hedges tries to redirect him, asking him what workers can do *today* to regain control of production since all our manufacturing has been exported overseas and he launches into a tirade about fracking and damage to the environment.
When he attempts to give examples of workers taking control of industry, his example is of a failed attempt of workers to own a coal mine, then talks about Walmart workers organizing but not taking ownership of the company. He then tries to make the case that if government develops a technology, all future improvements should then be owned by the government (WTF??).
This guy has no new ideas but simply mines old territory that's not relevant to our current challenges.
No, sorry, this isn't the reason we don't see him 'in the media'. Countless others, not least of all our politicians, are far more guilty of question evasion, and with Chomsky, if he evades a question he at least says something substantive in its place. The failure of the initiatives you mention is not proof that these are not the right approaches. Rather they just didn't go far enough or gather enough broad-based, active support. We often think that the only ideas that will work are the ones that are the newest - but this is a fallacy born out of economic mythology from the industrial revolution to silicon valley.
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I seek to know if our industrial civilization has collapsed. Chomsky tells us of attempts to prevent what has spread within our government and laws. Any lessons from the past have great value to we who brace for impact.
Your musical video collection shows bewilderment and angst, the condition Chomsky points out in our family and culture today.
Charlie Kay Cheyenne I always thought my musical tastes were pretty eclectic. I'm interested to know why you think they convey bewilderment and angst.
Well the fact he "evades" is just to give enough conext about how things used to be and the challenges it faced over time. I think it is very useful in reflection to today's status quo. One other thing you should know about Chmosky is that he always avoids prescribing fast-track easy solutions to problems of such magnitude because there are rarely clear-cut solutions to ethical problems and the media always poses stupid questions like that to their interviewees hoping for a response that reinforces their agenda behind the question. Ordinary people only deal with absolutes and that's why just get lost when an honest intellectual takes a cautious stance and rather than dishing out quick fixes he
If only.....I would be permitted to express an opinion or thought without being talked over, or interrupted. ..Just like these gentlemen. ..ah joy oh bliss😊....Unfortunately my family is half Italian and half Ukrainian. There's not a hope in hell of getting a word in edgewise😠
Noam STILL has kick ass hair!!
subscribed! great interview, by two great minds.
I am going and get all his books soon
He talked for Almost 18min. Straight.
My discovery of Chomsky and the following explosion of the illusion of American Exceptionalism and morality reminds me of when it started dawning on me that religion and god was bullshit. Btw, Chomsky's ability for recall, including quoting almost verbatim entire paragraphs at times, the date of publication, as well the historical context of the text he cites is just astounding. His memory seems almost eidetic in nature.
We've got to get the money out of politics!
God ... My brain has been so warped by the ESPN..ing of news, I can barely follow the interview
My attention span: "WHY ARENT THEY YELLING AT EACH OTHER?!"
Hedges 2020
Does anyone know where I might gain access to history texts about the mid to late 19th century labour movements and such things? That history is entirely unfamiliar to me!
A history of America in Ten Strikes by Erik Loomis is a good place to start surveying US labor history. American labor has always faced a more violent and forceful opposition from owners and state than many of our European counterparts. What's surprising to see today, is how vibrant and widespread the labor movement was. And how total and intentional it's destruction was. But I have hope, especially with our teachers and nurses in the current labor movement. People seem to be waking up again.
Chomsky: "Capitalist morality"... that's a contradiction in terms....
I wonder what Chomsky would look like if he was ever really pissed off or found something hilarious.
"Engineering consent"
I learned more in an hour than I did in high school and college
That mountain of books exemplify the type of men they both are. If only the leaderships would read and understand.
I wish I could read as much as Chomsky does
More of these talks.
"I hate this fast growing tendency to chain men to machines in big factories and deprive them of all joy in their efforts - the plan will lead to cheap men and cheap products." Richard Wagner (1813 - 1883)
two of my favorite guys in the world. Too bad Ralph Nader was not there.
It kills me that Prof Chomsky can speak so calmly about the horrific atrocities committed by the US and British governments.
two titans together wow
My two fucking icons
I would call him Sir Noam Chomsky. What a great mind of our times.
bcci324 NO ! ! ! Dr. Chomsky wants you to look at his and others ideas on merit ! Not place him and others in a hierarchically system that bestows honour and respect--without thought and questing for truth. Dr. ? Fine he earned it. Noam ? I think he would smile at you and listen more than talk. He knows his thoughts. Looking to see if you have any. Which is way this so GOOD !!!! Chris Hedges is a thoughtful man. Great thinker & writer. Peace.
Totally agreed Robert. You seems like a man who has good head on his shoulders.
I disagree with Chomsky about the use of force. The drones, the ones that fly, the ones that walk will be used to apply as much force as they want, no chance of some soldiers or policeman rebelling against the powerful.
He means that privileged members of society aren't, and cannot be, subjected to state violence because of the power that they hold. This is not true of marginalized members of society, who are effectively powerless.
Sarah Palin vs Noam Chomsky debate as Superbowl L ½ time show.
fab idea but the audience might find both unintelligible - for different reasons of course.
@25.30 a wonderful, factual and demonstratable point is made. I like Noam but what is his "call to action"?. Well, it's "try this and see." The super/hyper wealthy who now are allowed to fund candidates with any financial restraint per the Citizens United decision (possibly the worst decision ever by the Supreme Court. The second being the ridiulous Hobby Lobby decision.) will hold the candidates they have funded in perpetuity as the super wealthy can fund a candidiate simply with the money that falls out of their wallet. The super/hyper wealthy simply say "If you enjoyed being a senator, then do what I want and I will finance you again....and again....and again...." It is an open secret to know which candidate is receiving enormous dark money from which hyper rich supporter.
Only a revolution will overtun this. NOT sitting in chairs and speaking about the enormous class and monetary differneces between the fantastically wealthy and the desperately poor.
What we have now is not justice. It is not humane. It IS UNAmerican.
America has always been unAmerican.
Civil disobediance worlwide is only a matter of time...
ha ha ha! That's a good one Julio
Truth prevails
Dickensonian? Did he mean Dickensian?
+LiberaLib He sure did. Oh well, no one's perfect
#ChrisHedges and #NoamChomsky , two #DemocraticSocialists that are proud of that.
@ 39:55 Chomsky says how Japan offered the states a low interest loan to build high speed rail. Why would the US _need_ a loan from Japan? Secondly, why would a nation who's debt is around 200% GDP be actively loaning out money for another nations infrastructure.
What an odd statement / situation...
Harry Harger Most Biz is done OPM or on loans. Few but the poor pay cash on any level.
Harry Harger Its true that Japans debt is close to 200% but it is also true that most of that debt is owe internally owe to their people. Japan sells their high tech internationally so they have lots of $. Those dollars are valuable and can be loaned to anyone who could used them and pay them back. Why the USA can not just print Dollars, they could but if they do they have to borrow them dollars anyways and more if the dollars are printed they still have to pay interest on them, because the US $ is the international currency it is not just the USA currency. So printing is monetizing the debt creating more dollars, the $ value will decrease faster then if the already existing dollars are borrow.
I agree with Noam that they don't have the Manpower to go after literally everyone but I agree with Hedges that they would still try.
what the hell does he mean in the end when he says "gain the consciousness of the indigenous people of the world, or were dead"?
Chomsky, as usual, shows his fabulous knowledge about world and human affairs, current and historic, but seems to have a rather optimistic view of what may happen, …if only…. He uses too many words like "could", or "may"; that is, he recognizes the possibility of "significant" change (for the better), but seems to ignore the probabilities that those things will happen. Also, he often speaks past the questions posed to him, going off into a long discourse not quite pertinent to the questions posed. Maddening to me.
Outstanding interview. No surprise there though lol
Most of the content of the interview is not new or surprising. Its power exceeds because these are two of the most credible people on the planet, at least that I know of.
i cant help being overwhelmed by sadness...listening to these 2 giants and seeing our life being hijacked by petty thugs, mindless entertainment and vulgar propaganda. Noam and Chris should be our standard core not the exception
A brilliant man listen to him and don't follow the herd mentality for the masses are always on the wrong side of history
It’s fascinating to hear about times when DNC and GOP had slight differences to them instead of being one party system now
Well in terms of what violence can be inflicted by omnipotent police forces against who... Chris hedges nailed it and Chomsky missed it... Not saying that Chomsky missed everything but he missed that
Wow...cant believe I've never seen this before. My 2 favorite dissidents and activists and intellectuals and sjws.
Capitalism is not the problem in the world ( although it will always require a government to monitor it). Fractional reserve banking is. It forces a constant economic growth to be maintained which in turn affects everything adversely including the environment. We have to let the banking system fail/crash. ie; No Bailouts! Like Iceland did.
3:39 'craftsman vs a wage earner. Selling what you make vs selling yourself....which is deeply offensive.They condemned the New Spirt Of The Age " Gain wealth for getting (it ) all but loosing (one's ) self" Nowadays we've been taught to see ourselves as a part of a larger machine. We have a "newtonian parts mentality" so we're all just cogs in a wheel. Love The Naom. Wish I had more time. Brilliant.