If I may, I was playing Forza for content when FM5 came out. I was active in a ton of communities, hosting and participating in drift events and leagues constantly. Even if I wasn't making videos I'd probably put 10-20 hours a week into the game at minimum. It wasn't GT, but that's what I loved about it. You weren't just playing a game, you were playing a community platform. The user-created content kept those games alive. When FM5 came out it wasn't just the lack of content (and a lot of other things pertaining to the single player like the doofus and unfair AI with the "driveatar" feature which was just your friends gamertags over the same AI as before, not that FM was known for killer AI. Just watching your review the AI are identical to what I remember at launch with driveatars) but a lot of community features were gutted. Arguably, the storefront system from FM4 has not fully returned to how easy it was to use. No auction house and by the time the auction house came back it was never the same. The killing blow was no online custom lobbies, which also have not returned (although it's rumored Microsoft is to blame). It started to be *work* to get lobbies together and organize community events vs just booting up the game and figuring something out for the day. I think this game could have been okay if a lot of the online and community features weren't gutted. It would have went over a lot like GT3. Yeah, lack of content but what's here is really well received. But at the same time, nobody asked for Forzavista. It was a neat side-piece in FM4 but was a selling point in FM5. It felt as a whole if you were a long-time fan it went from being a true alternative to GT (which were also putting out great games!) to just a tech demo with cars. We expected glitches and issues that had been present since Forza 2 but they were still there (a paint glitch on the AE86 springs to mind but that's a drop in the bucket). We were promised and expected, at the trade of content, a game built "from the ground up". Sound familiar? If anything they took stuff like body kits and removed them from cars. I know there's some parts for the S13 Silvia that NEVER came back. I hate this game not because it's an awful game. Standalone it's.. fine? I hate this game because of what it represents. It was the beginning of the end from a studio that really could do no wrong minus some wacky updates and silly glitches sometimes. Their patterns of greed, lack of communication to anyone outside their tight-knit circle of yes men they called a 'community', and ignoring what their community asked for to appease 9s and 10s from IGN became impossible to ignore at this point and even though 6 and 7 were better games that I put a lot of time into, it never felt like an Xbox 360 ever again. Cold, soulless and by the numbers (at least on the Motorsport side, but I'd argue that's what we're seeing in Horizon now to a degree). I remember once the honeymoon phase fell down for FM5, most of my friends went back to FM4 and either never came back to the Forza franchise again or waited until 6 or 7 to dip their toes in on PC. The franchise was never the same. The community was never the same. FM4 was a good mix of good people with a few bad apples. FM5 and beyond it got worse, and more toxic and a lot of those community pillars moved onto better platforms and franchises whether that's GT or to PCs and sim racing. I think that's why the Forza fandom hates this game so much. It was the beginning of the end of the heyday of Forza Motorsport. It was and to this day has never been the same. The new game is just a Forza Motorsport 5 sequel but worse. I dunno what changed with the move to the Xbox One but it really feels like a lot of the people at Turn10 do not care anymore, and that Playground have recently made a turn down their own road of apathy. Edit: tl;dr great review as always! but a lot of the reason the community hates this game has more to do with just the single player and gameplay, but a lot more for what the game represents and the shift from user-created content and community features and feedback to beating to their own drum, reception be damned. You just had to be there.
@@wilbo_baggins Bang on. As long as it has enough buzz words to put on the back of a video game case they're happy. We always knew FM2-FM4 at least that T10 had a good marketing team and sometimes overpromised and underdelivered, FM5 was the first time personally I felt lied to. Like it wasn't in good faith.
The community was always the biggest part of Forza. It still exists even in the newer games, but it isn't the same. It also applies to other Xbox games like Halo and Gears of War.
Compared to the Forza Motorsport 2023... FM5 is a fucking masterpiece. I'd say even the graphics look better in it which is astonishing. More track variety too. Better UI, better everything? God, I still can't believe how MS fucked it up
I respectfully disagree. Yes, Forza Motorsport 8 was in rough shape at release, but it's gotten a lot better. Lots of good tracks have been added, the upgrade system has been fixed, and HDR works properly now. Even the graphics look great if you switch off ray tracing, which was a dumb gimmick to begin with. That said, I still prefer Gran Turismo 7.
@@johnxina2140"when it's implemented properly," it (path tracing) will require top of the line hardware to get a playable experience. The consoles doesn't have access to that just yet, and only big spenders among the PC crowd can enjoy it in modern AAA games. The half-baked ray tracing commonly implemented can too often be a hit or miss.
I hated this when it was initially released, no cars and tracks🤣. I was not aware of the horrific deadlines though, so I have to concede you have a point when you said "It's not a bad game, it's just the worst Forza game". Arguably not the fault of Turn 10 really. Great review mate 👍
Agree similar matter I experience exactly like you. Played seven hours and friends convinced me to join PlayStation that’s how I jumped ship. I miss Forza 4 with all dlc’s I purchased amazing memories
You deserve way more subs. I’ve been watching your reviews for over six years and you are easily one of the best racing game content creators around, you hit the nail on the head every time with your reviews. I’d love to see you break into the world of NASCAR games and review that series through its many ups and downs. Keep up the great work, man!
at 19:36 they actually talked a lot about the vibration control on the controller. It was one of the selling points because the Xbox One created brand new design to the controllers adding ramblers in the triggers. So Forza talked about that a lot in E3!
I posted a longer comment but RUclips ate it, so I'll just point out again that the widely mocked Xbox One reveal was a separate event a couple of weeks before E3. Also, having Yas Marina as one of the few tracks in the game itself is just adding insult to injury.
I wish they would add back the giant event selection from FM3 and FM4 where there was like 100’s of different events you could take on at anytime assuming you had a car that met the entry requirements instead of following the career mode path
To clarify: at 9:24 you mentioned the DLC being delisted. Delisted items can still be redownloaded and used if you already purchased a license. The impulse triggers are an amazing feature though. Was a huge step up from the 360 controllers, along with their better (imo) shape.
@@ShyGuyBay Licensing works as follows: Anyone can use your content only on your Home console. You can use your content on any Xbox as long as you're signed in to XBL. So if your friend has your console saved as their home console, then yes. That's the trick to game sharing, you and a buddy have each other's consoles set as your home systems, and you can access all of their content at any time, and they get theirs as long as they're online, which is 99.9% of the time. Works both ways.
It's been 84 years... But seriously, I've been waiting for this for so many years now, and I thought for sure you ditched all your Forza plans. Thank you for coming back.
I remember the day (or week) this came out. I was only a few years out of high school and this was the first console generation I could feasibly buy with my own money. Little milestones like that are important when you're growing up. The moment I saw reviews and read initial impressions I was like "WTF."
Its weird remembering how cripplingly disapointing this game was when it came out. But now it looks like a high effort passion project compared to what forzas doing now. This was really franchises turning point.
But It did. Idk why Polyphony felt a Fall 2000 release (in line with the North American PS2 launch) was appropriate for GT3. There is demo footage for as far back as January 2000 on the new hardware. Having this new sequel come out so close to GT2 was crazy work. Instead of it becoming a launch title, it released Q2 2001 and offered as a standalone or as a bundle with the console.
I think you're misremembering a little. Xbox talked about pretty much nothing but games at E3 2013. It was their debut of the XB1 weeks prior where they had a separate show about the non-gaming capabilities of the XB1 that got people so riled up, which they did deliberately so they could keep E3 to talk purely about games. Also, GT6 was never on PS4. Until GT7 came along, XB1 genuinely had the better single player 'sim lite' racers with Forza Motorsport 5, 6 and 7. Gran Turismo Sport had even worse content problems than FM5 and the absolute shittiest, worst single player experience of the entire FM or GT series. Was quite good if you liked multiplayer racing, though.
The reason the controller vibrates more per side fun fact is cus there are little motors in each trigger that activate accordingly! i know this as i've taken quite a few apart....
One thing I miss from this game that wasn't added to any other Forza is they implemented so pretty good torque steer force feedback effects when using a force feedback wheel and they got rid of it from 6 onwards
The Forza Motorsport 4 esc intro was a really cool addition great video. Also I remember the start of the 7th Gen for racing games wasn’t the best and this game I remember was a huge flop after Motorsport 4.
Ooh i’ve been waiting for this one, honestly think this game is underrated, yes it has less content but i still enjoyed playing it. Also the graphics looks pretty amazing to this day imo.
Xbone/Forza 5 released in 2014 here in Europe. By then I had loved Forza 4 the last 3 years. I booted up FM5 and marveled at the fidelity and details. I got to the free race menu and.. Where the hell were my favorite tracks? Tsukuba, Fujimi kaido, maple and the fictional spanish one?! All the tracks where you had elevations, airtime and long corners you could powerslide was gone. Well, you could finaly VR37 swap an Escort Cosworth, but what good is that without a proper track to use it rally style?
@@Baguenaudeur Because we got those things in FM4? And you know asfalt rallys exists? And before the WRC cars got tech heavy the fastest way through a corner was powersliding. And I don't mean large jumps, I mean Ibizu elevation changes that allows you to loose and regain grip through latteral force. Got your answer? Good.
This is a take that ignores context. With the Series you can play ALL previous generation games with no sweat, so you'll start with all games available. When I bought my Xbox One I had Forza Motorsport 5, PvZ Garden Warfare, and THAT WAS IT. I was so excited to play 360 titles again on the Xbox One because to me, backwards compatibility was a no-brainer in the console world. It took them SO LONG and most games never got there...
@@Baguenaudeur I loved the last gen games. Couldn't I be excited to play them again? I had no console in the meantime of selling the 360 and buying the Xbox One. It's worth mentioning that none of the games I had on the Xbox One up until a certain point were nearly as fun as the games I had on the 360. I just wanted to play the old games, I would've been way happier if I could. THE XBOX ONE HAD NEARLY NO GAMES, I WANTED TO PLAY GAMES, IS THAT HARD TO GET?
@@gradient5319 You kiddin? Dead Rising 3, Ryse: Son of Rome, Killer Instinct, Forza Motorsport 5 are all exclusive Xbox One launch titles, not bad at all, huh? Meanwhile there isn't a single launch title for the Xbox Series X that is genuinely exclusive.
@@alex.starostin Bro my taste in games is not yours. The games I wanted to play weren't there. There were very few games, and none of them appealed to me. You may tell me about games you enjoy, I'll say I don't vibe with those. With time, some games came around. But it was a trend, the Xbox One game of the same franchise as the 360 was released for the new generation... And the game is worse than the one on the 360, somehow. It took a shit load of time, lots of the games were extremely expensive so I couldn't have all of the games from the franchises I liked, and the ones I got, I was disappointed, FOR A WHILE. So my point here is, MY EXPERIENCE with the launch of the Xbox One was HORRIBLE, and selling the 360 when I did was a HUGE MISTAKE!
Great review as always. Welcome to Impulse triggers. :) its ok of a guide for braking/acceleration assist in Forza Motorsport games. I like it. Its how I find ghr brske indicator. Rather then the forced default assists FM5+ offer or GT Sport/7 try to copy that I turned off too. Impulse triggers assist/extra effect I don't mind. Project Cars 3 or Gears 4&5 for reload unlike PS5 trigger use (I own PC1&2 on PS4). FM7 to 5 to 6 for me. Thr tain/night is eh take or leave also cosmetic means no lights still that was a challenge in itself if you mess up driving. Bad separation of side events too much main event focus got boring. FM3&4 because its got the event list or mixed it up in the structured mode. I go event list and go for whatever variety or most main events but less options and forced or some unlocks for them yeah 6 I don't find ad appealing. Even PGR2 i frt it but its still fair per car class or tracks/event type. Forza Motorsport to me it got more restrictive in progression too far I found it worse. Try flexible decisions of class/track selection it won't. Try tuning its very class picky of limits. I barely upgrade anyway or tune anything but more restrictive makes you want to use the feature even less. Eh mods/progression, eh candy reward cars. 5 is low on content but better progression. 7 I think is better but still has problems. 5 is weak but 6 is more content but still bad in my eyes. 5 has less but even if a launch title still fair due to circumstances almost like a GT3 or GT 2002 Concept or GT5 Prologue. I don't mind them but yeah context wise FM5 doesn't look so good in many categories compared to those with different reasons for things that seem more fair as bonuses or different circumstances/situations even if also a bit delayed. FM6 and GT7 or 6 to me as cough anniversary titles gave me no happy feeling to me its a great marketing cover up. 6 is a fair step up but in certain areas. Still hate it. I thought Gran Turismo 1 championships design but Forza at launch. Now I don't mind the main/bonus events remixed. Impulse triggers no one talke about for Xbox One area why? I like them. Ah the remix of main races and more creative events mixed together is nice, the hosts we know add a lot of good to it, fair stuff of 2013. Yeah launch title so lacking for sure. Less content, visuals, less time, less fictional tracks also is why I think Forza Motorsport also lacks where sure GT also does nowadays but Sport had a lot and 6 built up a fair amount even besides updates. Forza Motorsport has less or I barely know the difference half the time. GT I know a fictional track when I see it Forza Motorsport I can't tell you which is till a check and go oh at least for FM1-4 the odd few I can. FM5-7 couldn't tell you a fictional track at all in the game. Dead Rising isn't that much my thing but it is a fair title. Killer Instinct probably is but I don't know enough about it. Xbox One launch was better titles offered for sure. FM5 lighting changes, nah pass. FM4 for sure. I don't agree woth lighting changes or shadows. It hides things and looks worse. Ok OST I prefer OSTs not licenses. For hosts, car licenses, ttack licenses yeah.... Time limited I think. I don't mind the ok intros to Auto Vista but it is limited. Fair conceed. Can't be helped. Fair top gear references of the time. Ah the Grand Tour ending.... Whelp parody ones on RUclips in other games reusing top gear audio/clips to self insert the guys are always fun. Fair cosmetics, fair forxa vista mode. Fair narrators besides the notable guys. Yep servers down pretty silly. Tell that to GT Soort why thry took down the liveries when it worked fine offline on 1.68 and before. Ah wiki detailing 1.68 to 1.69 differences was very interesting for me to do. Yeah don't care for the ranking/upgrades to tune the cars. Physics is ok, not a fan but it's alright I guess. FM4 of 1080p and content hmm. Yeah glad I own FM5-7 now but it is still passable era just not the best ones FM8 is garbage besides it's selection idea. Progression being hmm but Ratchet leveling is better. GT3 I think balances it more but I agree it is lacking sure. FM5 I think has its hmm but is more repetitive. The Gold to Bronze is fair though of positions. Fair new tracks. FM5 feels worse then FM2 for sure. GT3 has good reverse layouts, even if GT1 has fewer, 3 has new ones and short ones and GT3 has no short track layouts. 200 for FM5 is fair. Some 1 makes or fair class events hmm. At least bowling and gate events are here besides new ones. 300 is hmm. Also it's fewer I got ReCore Definitive edition just for still owning it and out the disk back in. DLC is so scummy in FM5 and the tokens currency enforces that garbage. Even into 6 & 7. But fair variety besides limits. Zoo Tycoon was dumbed down and bad. Twisted Pixel no idea what their Xbox One game was for a digital launch. Fighters within well I have the 360 Kinect game now Uncaged and it's ok..... Killer Instinct is probably fine. It had more then PS4 but yeah the PC third parties garbage DRM to Xbox One was their own fault the rest was ok.... I care for tech as well as games so the TV TV TV was eh but the app swapping part of it was cool for me till 2017 they cut it sigh. Xbox One to me the app support design of Windows 8 I miss over the horrible OS we have now. But social features and garbage money/network hog stuff the OS is now. People go oh TV TV TV sure. But to me the Kinect gestures tutorial app was fair and I didn't get to Dead Rising 3 till later so Ryse was ok but after seeing Godhand, God of War 2018 and Hellblade. Godhand is great the rest are bad use of their camera and everything else. Ryse was the start and I hate GOW2018. Hellblade is fair but I still refuse to play it because of the camera not because of the rest it offers of themes and ok gameplay even if not that exciting as their other games. Forza Motorsport 5 versus Knack and Killzone I'd still get those over FM5. Knack was old god of war for kids so it was fun, long but fun. Killzone Shadowfall an odd story and restrictive guns even just as stupid as Resistance 2 but even still. If wasn't for Sunset Overdrive, ReCore or Rare Replay besides fair other third parties got cheap on Xbox One like Valkyria Chronicles 4 or Demon Turf only got Xbox disk. I'd say the back compat and CD app is Greta but easily skip and that's saying something as I hate the 8th gen and PS4 besides it's folders and fair OS the games are garbage the IPs they pushed, the niche on PS4 I cared for like Gravity Rush or of course Knack, Dreams but otherwise pass. PS4 sucked. Wii U was more exciting hence my Wii U/Switch focus besides old gens of PS/Xbox as 8th was eh, 9th is not worth starting to me. Refuse to in that garbage state of products so weak of creativity or game design with a little bit of exciting modes/items uses or abilities for generic characters to play as. Pass. Back on topic now. XD 5 is interesting for how cut back but off 3&4's solid design. It's funny seeing 8th gen get more modes weaker and especially 9th gen. Dirt 5 is bad, 3 so packed. WRC 3 on PS3/360 not PS2 entry, is packed and love the career mode same as MotoGp3 on PS2 the bonus tracks. Nowadays unless a good Indie like Distance or Inertial Drift. Or playing old like Juiced or something goodd luck finding a game with good modes. GT7 to me even though hate it's progression is the only one I can think of these days. So if you like multiple modes. Be selective as old gens are where it's at for racing game mode/mechanics variety. WRC/ 2023/Ride 4 sure but to me Sega GT/Pure/Racing Evoluzione for car builders for sure even if WRC 2024 is probably fine but it's EA so .... 1 feature I can get elsewhere yeah it's not hard. Though Ride 4 was too hard to play for me so cool features of MotoGP16/Ride 4 but so hard I can't play them. Well the race bike stuff. MotoGP16 the dirt bikes/rally car are easier and better. XD FM6 I find is the worst of that I get why they did it but the new stuff and further separation of main/bonus isn't fun. Not going to spoil other then that. Will leave the new feature of FM6 for you to experience I didn't think much of it. But seeing as GT7 did it worse hmmmmm..... Let alone not that hut a different feature of tweaks that really don't add much. FM7 is a bit better remixing again over 5 I think. FM5 is probably more harmless but still the candy reward cars of 5-7 is so dumb. Compared to 1-4. The tracks cut really shows like FM2. It's passable but not great. GT7 has worse GT5 level system and new feature of FM6 design (won't spoil FM6) that I can't stand. Also one of them is very yeah can't use the car when tweaked that way in a box is event so that was fun others of that feature are so useless really. 5 is fair of its cars, limited tracks over FM2 but I prefer the FM1-4 design. Also 1&2 that Ride 4 took and restricted but was a cool idea to improve on. The Mtx of 5-7 are skippable but even still they are there.
2:32 I would argue that the Sports game utilized the next gen Hardware really well, and on the exclusive launch lineup 2:36, Ryse Son of Rome was a great game, I still play Killer Instinct more than 10 years latter, Dead Rising 3 is a good entry in a big franchise and I had a lot of fun with Crimson Dragon (I admit this last had a lot of problems and wasn't for everyone) Overall, lack of backwards compatibility in the beginning really tarnished the reputation of the Xbox One. If they had it ready by day one, or at least announced it as a future release I think it wouldn't be the marketing disaster it was, and our impression of it would be much higher
I'll admit, I had high expectations when the game was announced since I put countless hours in FM4 back in the day. That was until I noticed the disappointing single player with its series of championships with no focus or cohesion, the focus on drivatars, the borked level up system, the downgraded car list along with nixing personal favorites that haven't returned to the series since, the change in UI and menus, it kinda makes me glad that I skipped on this game when it launched. While FM4 has its issues, this was on another level.
I think for the next game that you should look at is The Fast And The Furious video game that came out in 2006. It’s a decent highway racer and has great customization options that are almost on par with need for speed.
I jus 100% all the events on this game a couple of weeks back as well and I totally agree with everything you said and I can feel your enthusiasm for V8 Supercars and Bathurst! That is an interesting and challenging track, I am glad we are getting more of it now! I only really completed this game to said degree, though, for the next entries, given I know you got bonuses previously for playing the prior titles... though, I don't seem to have got anything in 6... weird... And, yes, I was late to the party as well, so I missed out on all that additional content, which is a shame, cuz a lot of those DLC cars I actually like quite a lot, like the Nissan R390! I loved that thing in Gran Turismo! And it's even worse for 6 cuz there's a Lancia locked behind delisted DLC!
Just like GT: GT6 is the most advanced GT5. Both " 5" games went onto a new console generation and that takes extra time. But I still hate that GT6 makes you buy a Honda Fit at the start :)
it's crazy how little visual progress the series had made since FM5. Yes each game looks a little bit better than the other (though questionable choices in terms of lighting and color palette sometimes) but if i compare FM5 with the current FM then i can't see 10 years of visual improvements, i just can't.
Your note of the choice of Xbox One and PS4 in regards to Gran Turismo 6 being a better choice- GT6 was never released on PS4. The only other GT Games to release on PS4 was Gran Turismo Sport, which is its own issue altogether, and later a port of Gran Turismo 7.
8:45 Wrong a good chunk of the models were re-hashed from FM1 and you can easily tell even from the clip you used with the R32 MK4 Golf considering it's awful proportions as you can see here 7:58
xbox one has four force feedback motors, two traditional and two in triggers, that's why breaking feels "more on one side" - it's like ps5 triggers now, just one generation earlier
Turn 10 tried their best with this game, but it caught itself into that trainwreck caused by Microsoft. I feel sorry for Turn 10, considering the timespan fornthe development.
19:30 do you think one side vibrates more than the other depending on which side are you driving inside the vehicle ? what if it's a McLaren F1, with the middle seat ?
2:37 - OH you can screw right off boy! At least a lot of what the Xbox One had at ita launch was more varied as well as them being actually something worth looking forward to playing here. Dead Rising 3 and ESPECIALLY Killer Instinct were like THE ganes to go for at the time especially for people like myself. Heck, all that on top of the non video game stuff, which I STILL DEFEND TO THIS DAY, as that unveiling was meant to showcase the BLOODY CONSOLE ITSELF and what differentiates it from the PS4, was what got people to consider the system either over or even alongside the PS4. Calling that part of the launch lineup lackluster really does all those games a major disservice to them.
Given how thing have gone, I would prefer fewer car at a higher detail, over more cars. Given just how much and how long the series has been recycling the cars since the very first car.
This was the last FM game before they decided to censor the SS trim levels for Chevy, removing the badges and spelling out anything that had SS. FH2 was the last Horizon game with SS badging. MS showing what clowns they are. 🤡
I know the Forza 4 and 5 side-by-side comparison was meant to show how much better the graphics were in FM5, all I could think was how gorgeous the graphics in FM4 still are. For me FM5 was nothing more than Turn 10 dipping their toes in the excessive DLC waters. Yeah, the games have always had paid DLC, but 5 just took it to EA levels. Thankfully Turn 10 quickly learnt, and didn't make the same mistake in 6.
This game is better than the latest one in my opinion. Has a proper single player career and offline mode which I always expected from these games and shockingly looks better sometimes.
Yeah that era wasn't the best for racing games but dang it i didn't care all i wanted was playing 20 nfs games forza midnight club hanging with my friends riding my beach cruiser just living life i miss this era alot even tho some games wasn't the best
I really dont understand why people so greedy about the number of the cars in every entry...This game is solid and the garage is quite enough for any racing.
@@yudhabagaskara98 FM7 is trash. FM5 was the true downfall of FM. Forza Horizon is still great (FH5, FH4, FH3 and FH1 are still fun in 2024). FH2 is the weakest though.
@@yudhabagaskara98 I enjoyed the FH4 as my first Horizon game, but I found 5 after samey and stale so I imagine those who played the early games experienced the same with the 4. I did go back to the FH1 afterwards though and that hit the spot like nothing else. 👌👌👌 That game had a certain purpose and edge to it.
killer instinct is one of the greatest fighting games of all time wasnt enough to sell me on an xbone that thing was a brick but dont pretend forza was the only thing it had
The 360 is really good for Forza. I'm playing through the first Horizon and it's really good, and I haven't spent much time with FM4 but from what I've played it's pretty good too
Okay, serious talk. Why do you need so many cars? I'm a NFS kid, I'm used to rosters of 30-40 cars and I feel like I can pick my favourite out of that curated selection way easier than from a selection of 200 cars. And y'all saying it's too few? Are you trying to find your real life car in there or something? That's just ridiculous.
I just wrote an entire review but... thought it was FM4 review.... the only I could say about this, was the generic handle, it was very similar to GT you would only want it because of the graphics, but Forza was always better than GT graphically it was a norm, its incredible technologically advanced thats for sure! but went downhill since FM4 and has a reason the decisions that Microsoft made in those years.
The FIRST FORZA I have played and WOW!!!!! A true MASTERPIECE in EVERY SENSE. As a Gamer who's played numerous arcade titles, this was quite the entry in the series. The CARS, TRACKS, THE TOP GEAR presentation to boot. 10/10
When you say FM5 is the worst FM game, I guess you haven't tested Forza Horizon 2 on the 360 yet. I've never played FM5 but this looks like a master piece in comparison.
The thing is, Forza Motorsport 5's Forzavista looked stunning, and still is. The location used there is probably my 2nd favorite (FM4's garage & Homespaces collection being the Number One) out of all Forza Games, since in FM6 it already felt diluted down, in FM7 the garage/showroom felt... 'okay' I guess, and in Forza2023 it's just... bad, and dull, and boring.
I got a digital code for FM5 when I bought my Xbox One back in the day. It was pretty fun, felt a lot like a tech demo, but it was still pretty impressive. I much prefer FM6, but I don't think FM5 deserves the hate it got.
I give FM5 a pass on the content, because they had to remake pretty much everything from scratch. They moved to a PBR pipeline, so all the materials and textures needed to be redone, the lighting engine was reworked, and all the cars got better quality models. The lack of meaningful career and other features I could've also passed off as them being rushed to implement the new models and engine, but then 6, 7, and now 8 all have the same lack of career, bad AI, and missing features. I think there was passion behind trying to modernize Forza with FM5, but then suits took over or devs left, or it went entirely to temp contract workers, I don't know, but it went to hell. Graphically, it still looks better than most PC sim games. I think to this day it's still the only game with realistic looking carbon fiber instead of looking like a badly printed vinyl sticker.
definitely does, it has that Unity indie game look to it if you know what I mean. i'm sure fm5 objectively looks more realistic, but fm4 looks a lot more vibrant, at least from those comparison shots. subjectively i prefer how fm4 lools, objectively fm5 probably looks better.
It’s astonishing how much better this game looks compared to Motorsport 2023, and even content wise, while this game is definitely lacking, it actually feels and looks like a completed game, and now compare that to 2023, even a year later it still looks unfinished.
Forza Motorsport aside I think Xbox had great start line up compared to playstation and at the time fm5 was not that bad it was disappointing but still very good game
Most people: It looks so nice and realistic. Me: All I can see is the shimmery aliasing on every surface that has pervaded "HD" consoles. 3:55 look at how glittery that R8 looks. Even the black plastic with little reflection pops, strobes, and shimmers... so realistic.
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If I may,
I was playing Forza for content when FM5 came out. I was active in a ton of communities, hosting and participating in drift events and leagues constantly. Even if I wasn't making videos I'd probably put 10-20 hours a week into the game at minimum. It wasn't GT, but that's what I loved about it. You weren't just playing a game, you were playing a community platform. The user-created content kept those games alive. When FM5 came out it wasn't just the lack of content (and a lot of other things pertaining to the single player like the doofus and unfair AI with the "driveatar" feature which was just your friends gamertags over the same AI as before, not that FM was known for killer AI. Just watching your review the AI are identical to what I remember at launch with driveatars) but a lot of community features were gutted. Arguably, the storefront system from FM4 has not fully returned to how easy it was to use. No auction house and by the time the auction house came back it was never the same. The killing blow was no online custom lobbies, which also have not returned (although it's rumored Microsoft is to blame). It started to be *work* to get lobbies together and organize community events vs just booting up the game and figuring something out for the day.
I think this game could have been okay if a lot of the online and community features weren't gutted. It would have went over a lot like GT3. Yeah, lack of content but what's here is really well received.
But at the same time, nobody asked for Forzavista. It was a neat side-piece in FM4 but was a selling point in FM5. It felt as a whole if you were a long-time fan it went from being a true alternative to GT (which were also putting out great games!) to just a tech demo with cars. We expected glitches and issues that had been present since Forza 2 but they were still there (a paint glitch on the AE86 springs to mind but that's a drop in the bucket). We were promised and expected, at the trade of content, a game built "from the ground up". Sound familiar? If anything they took stuff like body kits and removed them from cars. I know there's some parts for the S13 Silvia that NEVER came back.
I hate this game not because it's an awful game. Standalone it's.. fine? I hate this game because of what it represents. It was the beginning of the end from a studio that really could do no wrong minus some wacky updates and silly glitches sometimes. Their patterns of greed, lack of communication to anyone outside their tight-knit circle of yes men they called a 'community', and ignoring what their community asked for to appease 9s and 10s from IGN became impossible to ignore at this point and even though 6 and 7 were better games that I put a lot of time into, it never felt like an Xbox 360 ever again. Cold, soulless and by the numbers (at least on the Motorsport side, but I'd argue that's what we're seeing in Horizon now to a degree). I remember once the honeymoon phase fell down for FM5, most of my friends went back to FM4 and either never came back to the Forza franchise again or waited until 6 or 7 to dip their toes in on PC.
The franchise was never the same. The community was never the same. FM4 was a good mix of good people with a few bad apples. FM5 and beyond it got worse, and more toxic and a lot of those community pillars moved onto better platforms and franchises whether that's GT or to PCs and sim racing. I think that's why the Forza fandom hates this game so much. It was the beginning of the end of the heyday of Forza Motorsport. It was and to this day has never been the same. The new game is just a Forza Motorsport 5 sequel but worse. I dunno what changed with the move to the Xbox One but it really feels like a lot of the people at Turn10 do not care anymore, and that Playground have recently made a turn down their own road of apathy.
Edit: tl;dr great review as always! but a lot of the reason the community hates this game has more to do with just the single player and gameplay, but a lot more for what the game represents and the shift from user-created content and community features and feedback to beating to their own drum, reception be damned. You just had to be there.
Exactly right
Lol I don't think they know what built from the ground up means. It's just a buzz term they use like the current sticking ai term on everything.
@@wilbo_baggins Bang on. As long as it has enough buzz words to put on the back of a video game case they're happy. We always knew FM2-FM4 at least that T10 had a good marketing team and sometimes overpromised and underdelivered, FM5 was the first time personally I felt lied to. Like it wasn't in good faith.
Amen, well put.
The community was always the biggest part of Forza. It still exists even in the newer games, but it isn't the same. It also applies to other Xbox games like Halo and Gears of War.
Compared to the Forza Motorsport 2023... FM5 is a fucking masterpiece. I'd say even the graphics look better in it which is astonishing. More track variety too. Better UI, better everything? God, I still can't believe how MS fucked it up
I respectfully disagree. Yes, Forza Motorsport 8 was in rough shape at release, but it's gotten a lot better. Lots of good tracks have been added, the upgrade system has been fixed, and HDR works properly now. Even the graphics look great if you switch off ray tracing, which was a dumb gimmick to begin with.
That said, I still prefer Gran Turismo 7.
Wdym, It probably still good before FM8 Release
@@isipscognac How is Ray tracing a gimmick? It's just a better lighting/shadow/reflection system for graphics when it's implemented properly
@@johnxina2140"when it's implemented properly," it (path tracing) will require top of the line hardware to get a playable experience. The consoles doesn't have access to that just yet, and only big spenders among the PC crowd can enjoy it in modern AAA games. The half-baked ray tracing commonly implemented can too often be a hit or miss.
just the sound alone puts fm5 way ahead of this abomination called fm8
I hated this when it was initially released, no cars and tracks🤣. I was not aware of the horrific deadlines though, so I have to concede you have a point when you said "It's not a bad game, it's just the worst Forza game". Arguably not the fault of Turn 10 really. Great review mate 👍
FM4 for its time basically had a 100% perfect car list. Even without off-road racing, those cars still deserve a place in these games.
Agree similar matter I experience exactly like you. Played seven hours and friends convinced me to join PlayStation that’s how I jumped ship. I miss Forza 4 with all dlc’s I purchased amazing memories
@@Idonthavausernam yeah, coming from 4 to this was insulting I thought.
It’s also not even the worst Forza game after the horrors of the dreaded (shudders) *Motorsport Reboot*
Forza Horizon spelled the end of motosport as we previously knew it
You deserve way more subs. I’ve been watching your reviews for over six years and you are easily one of the best racing game content creators around, you hit the nail on the head every time with your reviews. I’d love to see you break into the world of NASCAR games and review that series through its many ups and downs. Keep up the great work, man!
at 19:36 they actually talked a lot about the vibration control on the controller. It was one of the selling points because the Xbox One created brand new design to the controllers adding ramblers in the triggers. So Forza talked about that a lot in E3!
Can we just appreciate how good that Audi R8 Sounds at 8:49?
It's crazy how little graphical update Forza Motorsport got in 11 years. This game looks pretty much the same as the current title
Something is dearly wrong with your eyesight, fella.
@maynardburger correction. The newer game looks worse
Diminishing returns.
It doesn't matter if you add a million polygons to your car model if it already has a billion.
This one looks better visually lol. FM4 even looks better than the current Motorsport. FM7 looks WAY better than it in general.
Built from the ground up btw
I posted a longer comment but RUclips ate it, so I'll just point out again that the widely mocked Xbox One reveal was a separate event a couple of weeks before E3. Also, having Yas Marina as one of the few tracks in the game itself is just adding insult to injury.
I wish they would add back the giant event selection from FM3 and FM4 where there was like 100’s of different events you could take on at anytime assuming you had a car that met the entry requirements instead of following the career mode path
To clarify: at 9:24 you mentioned the DLC being delisted. Delisted items can still be redownloaded and used if you already purchased a license.
The impulse triggers are an amazing feature though. Was a huge step up from the 360 controllers, along with their better (imo) shape.
And correct if I’m wrong, you can still get them if your friends has it and you both share the same console.
@@ShyGuyBay Licensing works as follows: Anyone can use your content only on your Home console. You can use your content on any Xbox as long as you're signed in to XBL. So if your friend has your console saved as their home console, then yes. That's the trick to game sharing, you and a buddy have each other's consoles set as your home systems, and you can access all of their content at any time, and they get theirs as long as they're online, which is 99.9% of the time. Works both ways.
@ Okay, so am I correct?
@@ShyGuyBay If you're sharing the console and it's set as their home console, then yes.
Let me know when humanity has made enough progress to emulate this one
It's getting close actually, XWine1 is an actively developed "emulator", (it's more of a translation layer)
It's been 84 years...
But seriously, I've been waiting for this for so many years now, and I thought for sure you ditched all your Forza plans. Thank you for coming back.
I remember the day (or week) this came out. I was only a few years out of high school and this was the first console generation I could feasibly buy with my own money. Little milestones like that are important when you're growing up. The moment I saw reviews and read initial impressions I was like "WTF."
Its weird remembering how cripplingly disapointing this game was when it came out. But now it looks like a high effort passion project compared to what forzas doing now. This was really franchises turning point.
The beginning of the end
Can’t wait till this game comes out
I feel like why gt3 probably gets away with having less cars than GT2 is it was built for the ps2 and didn't have a tight deadline like forza 5 had.
You're right, since GT3 was delayed too unlike FM5
But It did. Idk why Polyphony felt a Fall 2000 release (in line with the North American PS2 launch) was appropriate for GT3. There is demo footage for as far back as January 2000 on the new hardware. Having this new sequel come out so close to GT2 was crazy work. Instead of it becoming a launch title, it released Q2 2001 and offered as a standalone or as a bundle with the console.
I'm a simple man. Colourshed males a video, I watch
I think you're misremembering a little. Xbox talked about pretty much nothing but games at E3 2013. It was their debut of the XB1 weeks prior where they had a separate show about the non-gaming capabilities of the XB1 that got people so riled up, which they did deliberately so they could keep E3 to talk purely about games. Also, GT6 was never on PS4. Until GT7 came along, XB1 genuinely had the better single player 'sim lite' racers with Forza Motorsport 5, 6 and 7. Gran Turismo Sport had even worse content problems than FM5 and the absolute shittiest, worst single player experience of the entire FM or GT series. Was quite good if you liked multiplayer racing, though.
The reason the controller vibrates more per side fun fact is cus there are little motors in each trigger that activate accordingly! i know this as i've taken quite a few apart....
One thing I miss from this game that wasn't added to any other Forza is they implemented so pretty good torque steer force feedback effects when using a force feedback wheel and they got rid of it from 6 onwards
The Forza Motorsport 4 esc intro was a really cool addition great video. Also I remember the start of the 7th Gen for racing games wasn’t the best and this game I remember was a huge flop after Motorsport 4.
Ooh i’ve been waiting for this one, honestly think this game is underrated, yes it has less content but i still enjoyed playing it. Also the graphics looks pretty amazing to this day imo.
agree
Xbone/Forza 5 released in 2014 here in Europe. By then I had loved Forza 4 the last 3 years. I booted up FM5 and marveled at the fidelity and details. I got to the free race menu and.. Where the hell were my favorite tracks? Tsukuba, Fujimi kaido, maple and the fictional spanish one?! All the tracks where you had elevations, airtime and long corners you could powerslide was gone. Well, you could finaly VR37 swap an Escort Cosworth, but what good is that without a proper track to use it rally style?
I mean that's why the Horizon series exists.
If you want airtime, powerslides and rallying, why play a Motorsport game?
@@Baguenaudeur Because we got those things in FM4? And you know asfalt rallys exists? And before the WRC cars got tech heavy the fastest way through a corner was powersliding. And I don't mean large jumps, I mean Ibizu elevation changes that allows you to loose and regain grip through latteral force. Got your answer? Good.
@@Baguenaudeur it's honestly amazing how people are still defending Failza 5 in 2024. That is scandalous.
@@BleedForTheWorldbecause it became better than 7 and 8 by default. 7 was so dull and I still own the damn game. 8 is boring
@@CYB3R2K that's worse. No wonder everyone hates this series.
I love how they used Barber Motorsports Park in that Filmspeed add and not even that was used in Forza 5 lmao
"Honey wake up. Colourshed just uploaded another racing game review"
Your reviews are so good dude, thank you for the content!!
After the current ones...
"Perhaps I've treated you too harshly"
21:04 *Silvia S15 has entered the chat
Skyline R32, Subaru Impreza 22B, RX7 too
Bro said "ooh that's Sexy." Got me crazy. 😂
That Orange P1 is burned into my retina when I think of the Xbox One's downfall.
been waiting on a upload!!!!
Mate you REALLY need to review Auto Modellista (gamecube or OG Xbox version preferably)
The Xbox brief was make a showcase demo to show off graphics and make it on launch day, that’s it. They accomplished the goal.
Great video, bro! Just found your channel and subscribed already.
Compared to Xbox Series... Xbox One's launch line up is fucking masterpiece, haha
This is a take that ignores context. With the Series you can play ALL previous generation games with no sweat, so you'll start with all games available. When I bought my Xbox One I had Forza Motorsport 5, PvZ Garden Warfare, and THAT WAS IT. I was so excited to play 360 titles again on the Xbox One because to me, backwards compatibility was a no-brainer in the console world. It took them SO LONG and most games never got there...
@@gradient5319 What a concept. Buying a new console only to be excited to play games from the last gen on it...
@@Baguenaudeur I loved the last gen games. Couldn't I be excited to play them again? I had no console in the meantime of selling the 360 and buying the Xbox One. It's worth mentioning that none of the games I had on the Xbox One up until a certain point were nearly as fun as the games I had on the 360. I just wanted to play the old games, I would've been way happier if I could.
THE XBOX ONE HAD NEARLY NO GAMES, I WANTED TO PLAY GAMES, IS THAT HARD TO GET?
@@gradient5319 You kiddin? Dead Rising 3, Ryse: Son of Rome, Killer Instinct, Forza Motorsport 5 are all exclusive Xbox One launch titles, not bad at all, huh? Meanwhile there isn't a single launch title for the Xbox Series X that is genuinely exclusive.
@@alex.starostin Bro my taste in games is not yours. The games I wanted to play weren't there. There were very few games, and none of them appealed to me. You may tell me about games you enjoy, I'll say I don't vibe with those. With time, some games came around. But it was a trend, the Xbox One game of the same franchise as the 360 was released for the new generation... And the game is worse than the one on the 360, somehow. It took a shit load of time, lots of the games were extremely expensive so I couldn't have all of the games from the franchises I liked, and the ones I got, I was disappointed, FOR A WHILE. So my point here is, MY EXPERIENCE with the launch of the Xbox One was HORRIBLE, and selling the 360 when I did was a HUGE MISTAKE!
Your content is top notch!
Great review as always. Welcome to Impulse triggers. :) its ok of a guide for braking/acceleration assist in Forza Motorsport games. I like it. Its how I find ghr brske indicator. Rather then the forced default assists FM5+ offer or GT Sport/7 try to copy that I turned off too. Impulse triggers assist/extra effect I don't mind.
Project Cars 3 or Gears 4&5 for reload unlike PS5 trigger use (I own PC1&2 on PS4).
FM7 to 5 to 6 for me. Thr tain/night is eh take or leave also cosmetic means no lights still that was a challenge in itself if you mess up driving. Bad separation of side events too much main event focus got boring. FM3&4 because its got the event list or mixed it up in the structured mode. I go event list and go for whatever variety or most main events but less options and forced or some unlocks for them yeah 6 I don't find ad appealing. Even PGR2 i frt it but its still fair per car class or tracks/event type.
Forza Motorsport to me it got more restrictive in progression too far I found it worse. Try flexible decisions of class/track selection it won't. Try tuning its very class picky of limits. I barely upgrade anyway or tune anything but more restrictive makes you want to use the feature even less.
Eh mods/progression, eh candy reward cars. 5 is low on content but better progression. 7 I think is better but still has problems. 5 is weak but 6 is more content but still bad in my eyes.
5 has less but even if a launch title still fair due to circumstances almost like a GT3 or GT 2002 Concept or GT5 Prologue. I don't mind them but yeah context wise FM5 doesn't look so good in many categories compared to those with different reasons for things that seem more fair as bonuses or different circumstances/situations even if also a bit delayed.
FM6 and GT7 or 6 to me as cough anniversary titles gave me no happy feeling to me its a great marketing cover up.
6 is a fair step up but in certain areas. Still hate it.
I thought Gran Turismo 1 championships design but Forza at launch. Now I don't mind the main/bonus events remixed. Impulse triggers no one talke about for Xbox One area why? I like them. Ah the remix of main races and more creative events mixed together is nice, the hosts we know add a lot of good to it, fair stuff of 2013.
Yeah launch title so lacking for sure. Less content, visuals, less time, less fictional tracks also is why I think Forza Motorsport also lacks where sure GT also does nowadays but Sport had a lot and 6 built up a fair amount even besides updates. Forza Motorsport has less or I barely know the difference half the time. GT I know a fictional track when I see it Forza Motorsport I can't tell you which is till a check and go oh at least for FM1-4 the odd few I can. FM5-7 couldn't tell you a fictional track at all in the game.
Dead Rising isn't that much my thing but it is a fair title. Killer Instinct probably is but I don't know enough about it. Xbox One launch was better titles offered for sure.
FM5 lighting changes, nah pass. FM4 for sure. I don't agree woth lighting changes or shadows. It hides things and looks worse.
Ok OST I prefer OSTs not licenses. For hosts, car licenses, ttack licenses yeah.... Time limited I think.
I don't mind the ok intros to Auto Vista but it is limited.
Fair conceed. Can't be helped.
Fair top gear references of the time.
Ah the Grand Tour ending.... Whelp parody ones on RUclips in other games reusing top gear audio/clips to self insert the guys are always fun.
Fair cosmetics, fair forxa vista mode. Fair narrators besides the notable guys.
Yep servers down pretty silly.
Tell that to GT Soort why thry took down the liveries when it worked fine offline on 1.68 and before. Ah wiki detailing 1.68 to 1.69 differences was very interesting for me to do.
Yeah don't care for the ranking/upgrades to tune the cars. Physics is ok, not a fan but it's alright I guess.
FM4 of 1080p and content hmm.
Yeah glad I own FM5-7 now but it is still passable era just not the best ones FM8 is garbage besides it's selection idea. Progression being hmm but Ratchet leveling is better.
GT3 I think balances it more but I agree it is lacking sure. FM5 I think has its hmm but is more repetitive.
The Gold to Bronze is fair though of positions. Fair new tracks. FM5 feels worse then FM2 for sure.
GT3 has good reverse layouts, even if GT1 has fewer, 3 has new ones and short ones and GT3 has no short track layouts.
200 for FM5 is fair. Some 1 makes or fair class events hmm. At least bowling and gate events are here besides new ones. 300 is hmm.
Also it's fewer
I got ReCore Definitive edition just for still owning it and out the disk back in.
DLC is so scummy in FM5 and the tokens currency enforces that garbage. Even into 6 & 7. But fair variety besides limits.
Zoo Tycoon was dumbed down and bad.
Twisted Pixel no idea what their Xbox One game was for a digital launch. Fighters within well I have the 360 Kinect game now Uncaged and it's ok.....
Killer Instinct is probably fine. It had more then PS4 but yeah the PC third parties garbage DRM to Xbox One was their own fault the rest was ok.... I care for tech as well as games so the TV TV TV was eh but the app swapping part of it was cool for me till 2017 they cut it sigh.
Xbox One to me the app support design of Windows 8 I miss over the horrible OS we have now. But social features and garbage money/network hog stuff the OS is now. People go oh TV TV TV sure. But to me the Kinect gestures tutorial app was fair and I didn't get to Dead Rising 3 till later so Ryse was ok but after seeing Godhand, God of War 2018 and Hellblade. Godhand is great the rest are bad use of their camera and everything else. Ryse was the start and I hate GOW2018. Hellblade is fair but I still refuse to play it because of the camera not because of the rest it offers of themes and ok gameplay even if not that exciting as their other games.
Forza Motorsport 5 versus Knack and Killzone I'd still get those over FM5. Knack was old god of war for kids so it was fun, long but fun. Killzone Shadowfall an odd story and restrictive guns even just as stupid as Resistance 2 but even still. If wasn't for Sunset Overdrive, ReCore or Rare Replay besides fair other third parties got cheap on Xbox One like Valkyria Chronicles 4 or Demon Turf only got Xbox disk. I'd say the back compat and CD app is Greta but easily skip and that's saying something as I hate the 8th gen and PS4 besides it's folders and fair OS the games are garbage the IPs they pushed, the niche on PS4 I cared for like Gravity Rush or of course Knack, Dreams but otherwise pass. PS4 sucked. Wii U was more exciting hence my Wii U/Switch focus besides old gens of PS/Xbox as 8th was eh, 9th is not worth starting to me. Refuse to in that garbage state of products so weak of creativity or game design with a little bit of exciting modes/items uses or abilities for generic characters to play as. Pass.
Back on topic now. XD
5 is interesting for how cut back but off 3&4's solid design.
It's funny seeing 8th gen get more modes weaker and especially 9th gen. Dirt 5 is bad, 3 so packed. WRC 3 on PS3/360 not PS2 entry, is packed and love the career mode same as MotoGp3 on PS2 the bonus tracks.
Nowadays unless a good Indie like Distance or Inertial Drift. Or playing old like Juiced or something goodd luck finding a game with good modes. GT7 to me even though hate it's progression is the only one I can think of these days.
So if you like multiple modes. Be selective as old gens are where it's at for racing game mode/mechanics variety. WRC/ 2023/Ride 4 sure but to me Sega GT/Pure/Racing Evoluzione for car builders for sure even if WRC 2024 is probably fine but it's EA so .... 1 feature I can get elsewhere yeah it's not hard. Though Ride 4 was too hard to play for me so cool features of MotoGP16/Ride 4 but so hard I can't play them. Well the race bike stuff. MotoGP16 the dirt bikes/rally car are easier and better. XD
FM6 I find is the worst of that I get why they did it but the new stuff and further separation of main/bonus isn't fun. Not going to spoil other then that. Will leave the new feature of FM6 for you to experience I didn't think much of it. But seeing as GT7 did it worse hmmmmm..... Let alone not that hut a different feature of tweaks that really don't add much.
FM7 is a bit better remixing again over 5 I think.
FM5 is probably more harmless but still the candy reward cars of 5-7 is so dumb. Compared to 1-4.
The tracks cut really shows like FM2. It's passable but not great.
GT7 has worse GT5 level system and new feature of FM6 design (won't spoil FM6) that I can't stand. Also one of them is very yeah can't use the car when tweaked that way in a box is event so that was fun others of that feature are so useless really.
5 is fair of its cars, limited tracks over FM2 but I prefer the FM1-4 design. Also 1&2 that Ride 4 took and restricted but was a cool idea to improve on.
The Mtx of 5-7 are skippable but even still they are there.
Nice new intro!
FM4 and FM5 V8 Supercars was such a special addition.
It's kind of crazy that *THIS* is what video games from 11 years ago look like now.
I liked how Forza Motorsport 5 was the last Forza game to get the tail lights correct on the 2013-2014 Mustangs.
This was my first Forza title
2:32 I would argue that the Sports game utilized the next gen Hardware really well, and on the exclusive launch lineup 2:36, Ryse Son of Rome was a great game, I still play Killer Instinct more than 10 years latter, Dead Rising 3 is a good entry in a big franchise and I had a lot of fun with Crimson Dragon (I admit this last had a lot of problems and wasn't for everyone)
Overall, lack of backwards compatibility in the beginning really tarnished the reputation of the Xbox One. If they had it ready by day one, or at least announced it as a future release I think it wouldn't be the marketing disaster it was, and our impression of it would be much higher
The boys from Top Gear carried this game, I have such fond memories of it just because of their voice overs… should have brought them back for FM7
I'll admit, I had high expectations when the game was announced since I put countless hours in FM4 back in the day. That was until I noticed the disappointing single player with its series of championships with no focus or cohesion, the focus on drivatars, the borked level up system, the downgraded car list along with nixing personal favorites that haven't returned to the series since, the change in UI and menus, it kinda makes me glad that I skipped on this game when it launched. While FM4 has its issues, this was on another level.
I think for the next game that you should look at is The Fast And The Furious video game that came out in 2006. It’s a decent highway racer and has great customization options that are almost on par with need for speed.
I jus 100% all the events on this game a couple of weeks back as well and I totally agree with everything you said and I can feel your enthusiasm for V8 Supercars and Bathurst! That is an interesting and challenging track, I am glad we are getting more of it now! I only really completed this game to said degree, though, for the next entries, given I know you got bonuses previously for playing the prior titles... though, I don't seem to have got anything in 6... weird... And, yes, I was late to the party as well, so I missed out on all that additional content, which is a shame, cuz a lot of those DLC cars I actually like quite a lot, like the Nissan R390! I loved that thing in Gran Turismo! And it's even worse for 6 cuz there's a Lancia locked behind delisted DLC!
Just like GT: GT6 is the most advanced GT5. Both " 5" games went onto a new console generation and that takes extra time. But I still hate that GT6 makes you buy a Honda Fit at the start :)
it's crazy how little visual progress the series had made since FM5. Yes each game looks a little bit better than the other (though questionable choices in terms of lighting and color palette sometimes) but if i compare FM5 with the current FM then i can't see 10 years of visual improvements, i just can't.
FM3 was the first game I played and was a huge blast to me. I’d say 5 and 6 were very enjoyable as well. 7 started the downturn
My first and only forza motorsport game...
Kinda miss it, havent been able to play it since 2018 cuz xbox one gpu messed up
Your note of the choice of Xbox One and PS4 in regards to Gran Turismo 6 being a better choice-
GT6 was never released on PS4. The only other GT Games to release on PS4 was Gran Turismo Sport, which is its own issue altogether, and later a port of Gran Turismo 7.
8:45 Wrong a good chunk of the models were re-hashed from FM1 and you can easily tell even from the clip you used with the R32 MK4 Golf considering it's awful proportions as you can see here 7:58
I can’t quite see that man.
xbox one has four force feedback motors, two traditional and two in triggers, that's why breaking feels "more on one side" - it's like ps5 triggers now, just one generation earlier
Turn 10 tried their best with this game, but it caught itself into that trainwreck caused by Microsoft. I feel sorry for Turn 10, considering the timespan fornthe development.
Hey ColourShed are you planning on reviewing GT7 at any point?
the early version sucked, but the final version must've aged nicely, shame the DLC were delisted
Love ya, spencer
Actually built from the ground up!
Basically the platform for FM6 and FM7, just as the new Motorsport will be the platform for upcoming titles (if there'll even be any)
19:30 do you think one side vibrates more than the other depending on which side are you driving inside the vehicle ?
what if it's a McLaren F1, with the middle seat ?
Maybe with gt5, they saw the backlash forza 5 got from limited cars and come up with adding all the ps2 cars in.
2:37 - OH you can screw right off boy! At least a lot of what the Xbox One had at ita launch was more varied as well as them being actually something worth looking forward to playing here.
Dead Rising 3 and ESPECIALLY Killer Instinct were like THE ganes to go for at the time especially for people like myself. Heck, all that on top of the non video game stuff, which I STILL DEFEND TO THIS DAY, as that unveiling was meant to showcase the BLOODY CONSOLE ITSELF and what differentiates it from the PS4, was what got people to consider the system either over or even alongside the PS4.
Calling that part of the launch lineup lackluster really does all those games a major disservice to them.
This was my first game on the Xbox One and tbh, I wasn’t a huge fan of it, but after this review I am thinking about replaying this
Reminds me of Christmas 2014 thanks
Given how thing have gone, I would prefer fewer car at a higher detail, over more cars. Given just how much and how long the series has been recycling the cars since the very first car.
Please do a 6 review 🙂
@11:48 what car is that? I know my cars fairly well but that looks like an octavia but skodas arent in forza🤷🏼♂️
Holden HSV 325 GTS
“Like we’re getting Arab money” LOL
I love that first forza horizon.
This was the last FM game before they decided to censor the SS trim levels for Chevy, removing the badges and spelling out anything that had SS. FH2 was the last Horizon game with SS badging. MS showing what clowns they are. 🤡
Wow, I didn't know that. What a clown world. What's next, they censor Hellcat?
I know the Forza 4 and 5 side-by-side comparison was meant to show how much better the graphics were in FM5, all I could think was how gorgeous the graphics in FM4 still are. For me FM5 was nothing more than Turn 10 dipping their toes in the excessive DLC waters. Yeah, the games have always had paid DLC, but 5 just took it to EA levels. Thankfully Turn 10 quickly learnt, and didn't make the same mistake in 6.
You should review Mod Nation Racing on Ps3
That game was fun!! it’s a shame it never came back
Hold up Dead Rising 3 was actually a great launch game lol.
I just checked and it is true!
This game is better than the latest one in my opinion. Has a proper single player career and offline mode which I always expected from these games and shockingly looks better sometimes.
Yeah that era wasn't the best for racing games but dang it i didn't care all i wanted was playing 20 nfs games forza midnight club hanging with my friends riding my beach cruiser just living life i miss this era alot even tho some games wasn't the best
I really dont understand why people so greedy about the number of the cars in every entry...This game is solid and the garage is quite enough for any racing.
The start of the unfortunate downfall for this franchise unfortunately
Forza Motorsport 6 restored some of the franchises glory but then it just went down hill after🥲
FM7 was still ok, horizon 4 afterwards marked the downfall
@@yudhabagaskara98 FM7 is trash. FM5 was the true downfall of FM. Forza Horizon is still great (FH5, FH4, FH3 and FH1 are still fun in 2024). FH2 is the weakest though.
@@yudhabagaskara98 I enjoyed the FH4 as my first Horizon game, but I found 5 after samey and stale so I imagine those who played the early games experienced the same with the 4. I did go back to the FH1 afterwards though and that hit the spot like nothing else. 👌👌👌 That game had a certain purpose and edge to it.
This game looks better than GT7 !
killer instinct is one of the greatest fighting games of all time
wasnt enough to sell me on an xbone that thing was a brick
but dont pretend forza was the only thing it had
I totally forgot that people thought there would be an *Xbox 720*
Only a few years late for a review. Better late than never I guess.
What Forza is the best to buy, I've been thinking of going to another generation in terms of consoles
The 360 is really good for Forza. I'm playing through the first Horizon and it's really good, and I haven't spent much time with FM4 but from what I've played it's pretty good too
Definitely FM4 on the 360
@@TyCal_ I have that, I'm just thinking which one is better if I want to another generation after Xbox 360
@@ntandomtikitiki4135 Honestly after the 360 the main ones to play are the Horizon games. Horizon 3 especially holds up really well
gonna be a contrarian and recommend you Motorsport 2 and 3 instead rather than 4
mind you that 2/3 have very different progressions
Okay, serious talk.
Why do you need so many cars?
I'm a NFS kid, I'm used to rosters of 30-40 cars and I feel like I can pick my favourite out of that curated selection way easier than from a selection of 200 cars. And y'all saying it's too few? Are you trying to find your real life car in there or something? That's just ridiculous.
Driveclub review
Wouldn't be worth reviewing tbf if he didn't get all of the dlcs
I just wrote an entire review but... thought it was FM4 review.... the only I could say about this, was the generic handle, it was very similar to GT you would only want it because of the graphics, but Forza was always better than GT graphically it was a norm, its incredible technologically advanced thats for sure! but went downhill since FM4 and has a reason the decisions that Microsoft made in those years.
I refunded when they didn't have the Nordschleife on release. I need to give it a second go. Next sale.
i have the steelbook version of fm5
its alright
fm6 got a v8 supercar steelbook from eb games :(
Can u make a video on forza motorsport 6
The FIRST FORZA I have played and WOW!!!!! A true MASTERPIECE in EVERY SENSE. As a Gamer who's played numerous arcade titles, this was quite the entry in the series. The CARS, TRACKS, THE TOP GEAR presentation to boot.
10/10
Imagined if I owned a car and I want to give my friends a ride, I need to buy a code from the manufacturer.
Basically Xbox.
FINALLY.
When you say FM5 is the worst FM game, I guess you haven't tested Forza Horizon 2 on the 360 yet. I've never played FM5 but this looks like a master piece in comparison.
The thing is,
Forza Motorsport 5's Forzavista looked stunning, and still is. The location used there is probably my 2nd favorite (FM4's garage & Homespaces collection being the Number One) out of all Forza Games, since in FM6 it already felt diluted down, in FM7 the garage/showroom felt... 'okay' I guess, and in Forza2023 it's just... bad, and dull, and boring.
I got a digital code for FM5 when I bought my Xbox One back in the day. It was pretty fun, felt a lot like a tech demo, but it was still pretty impressive. I much prefer FM6, but I don't think FM5 deserves the hate it got.
FM5 deserves the hate.
It deserved the hate for the terrible paid DLC everywhere
I give FM5 a pass on the content, because they had to remake pretty much everything from scratch. They moved to a PBR pipeline, so all the materials and textures needed to be redone, the lighting engine was reworked, and all the cars got better quality models. The lack of meaningful career and other features I could've also passed off as them being rushed to implement the new models and engine, but then 6, 7, and now 8 all have the same lack of career, bad AI, and missing features. I think there was passion behind trying to modernize Forza with FM5, but then suits took over or devs left, or it went entirely to temp contract workers, I don't know, but it went to hell.
Graphically, it still looks better than most PC sim games. I think to this day it's still the only game with realistic looking carbon fiber instead of looking like a badly printed vinyl sticker.
Sorry if I get on anyone’s nerves for saying this, but FM5 is pretty much the racing game definition of MID.
11:52 ok am i crazy for thinking 4 looks better 😭
Imo, the grass in FM4 looks gloss. Almost like plastic.
definitely does, it has that Unity indie game look to it if you know what I mean.
i'm sure fm5 objectively looks more realistic, but fm4 looks a lot more vibrant, at least from those comparison shots. subjectively i prefer how fm4 lools, objectively fm5 probably looks better.
It’s astonishing how much better this game looks compared to Motorsport 2023, and even content wise, while this game is definitely lacking, it actually feels and looks like a completed game, and now compare that to 2023, even a year later it still looks unfinished.
Forza Motorsport aside I think Xbox had great start line up compared to playstation and at the time fm5 was not that bad it was disappointing but still very good game
Most people: It looks so nice and realistic.
Me: All I can see is the shimmery aliasing on every surface that has pervaded "HD" consoles.
3:55 look at how glittery that R8 looks. Even the black plastic with little reflection pops, strobes, and shimmers... so realistic.