How to Write a Prejudiced Society (without sounding cringe)
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- Опубликовано: 22 дек 2023
- TLDR: Don't do what RWBY did.
Video one (how to write a bigoted character): • How to Write a Bigot (...
Also thank you for the love and support for the first video. I didn't think it would get that many views omg. Seriously, thank you so much.
Finally part two to the first video. Hopefully I can get my butt in gear to edit the rest of my videos oof. Tbh, not as good as the last video, but hopefully you still find it useful.
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Finally, a racism tutorial
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A tutorial on how to make a good story with racism
Ikr
The fact that you have a zamasu pfp makes this comment better
@@shortstop-wt7bs so a racism tutorial?
Step 1: Use RWBY as a guide on what NOT to do.
Step 2: Dont worry you should be fine from here on out.
Its weird how they say the animal people are hated but show many scenes where they are better off?
Im in a rwby dnd game and we face better racism where one of our faunis characters was apprehend due to his way of speaking making someone belive they are a potential school shooter/terrorist xD
Easier said than done.
Step 1.5: RWBY and RvB are good examples for fight scenes, but only the ones made by Monty.
@@maskone4575 Very true. Although, I still like the fights in the Chorus Trilogy, even if it's a bit clunkier.
@@ZyroShadowPony For real. Worst example of racism to Faunus: Cardin being a dick.
Worst example of racism to human: A Death Cult led by Osama Bull Laden teaming up with the forces of Hell to wipe out humanity.
Good Catch with Neon too. "Oh yeah, Atlas is so racist they let a Faunus compete in the equivalent of the Olympics." It's all tell, zero show and it suck so hard that after Adam get DP'd by Bland and Yikes, "Faunus Oppression" just stopped being a story.
It's hard not to sound cringe when writing racism cuz racism is cringe.
This comment has a point.
@@squilliamfancyson5313a very good point
that was literally my comment 💀
racism is really cringey, its an insane level of delusion and heavily relies on cognitive dissonance
to make is worse, the only people who get angry or upset about racism being portrayed in a narrative ARE RACISTS. They just don't like having to question their worldviews
Racism is bad ass
@motleysenpai So badass that it's practically shit
Honestly the question of "WHY something is this way something", is something people don't always remember or think about. there has to be a reason why things are the way the way they are and because of that it comes out as cringe, honestly great as always.
I didn't have a stroke trying to read this comment, YOU had a stroke trying to read this comment!
Edit: nvm, it's fixed. Thanks @rexthehero
I don't think the "why" matters a whole lot when one side is blighting your land with black magic that kills crops and turns kids into piles of sludge or something, and the other is asking you not to do that. Especially if you try to point to something that happened so long ago that the ones alive don't even have much of a connection to it.
@@guywithrevolverI had a stroke while reading this comment, thank God it's not November anymore.
@@soulcyclone360 I don't get the context of this but whatever's going on with you buddy, keep trucking along. I'm proud of you
It's true. People don't just wake up overnight and decide to be racist.
Humans have been hating the people from the village Over There for thousands of years, but as an example the specific brand of racism we experience in the U.S. has some very specific roots.
Southern slave owners were economically dependent on keeping slaves to maintain the profitability of the cotton trade and thus their extravagant wealth.
These were people who considered themselves Good, Morally Upright Christian Folk. So they needed to adopt a series of beliefs about the people they were keeping as slaves that allowed them to reconcile that.
Systemic structures of oppression were assembled less because "grrr we hate black people" and more out of a desire to maintain their slaves for economic purposes.
It grew out of reasons. Bad reasons, but reasons nonetheless.
I have a character who doesn't realise that his prejudice is, in fact, prejudice. He doesn't WANT to be an asshole but he clearly doesn't analyse morals he grew up with: on paper he believes racism and misogyny are dumb, but he will lowkey ignore his roma classmate or get mad at a girl who wouldn't date him and assume she's "being a bitch". There's no malice behind it, just unwillingness to criticise environment that he sees as a norm and a little bit of selfishness. I have to balance a lot to make him not look like a gaping asshole or a based saint and it honestly does take some effort
Makes it more complex but also easier if he has other personal reasons to do what he does, so the prejudice is watered down (FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE), like: "i only ignore this guy cause he's a nerd! it has nothing to do with his nationality", while it's true, if said nerd was white it would not be the same. So people give him the benefit of the doubt which allows him to not think about his prejudices for a looong time.
All the ignoring and stuff makes me interested in what the plot’s about, as well as the main cast! Atm it sounds like it has to do with a help group
@@beesnquackersYeah, I'm curious, it sounds dope. And that character's mindset is one I've seen in lots of folks in real life. No malice, just an intense lack of forethought and self analyzation/improvement. But the end result is the same.
@@beesnquackers the guy im talking about is a side antagonist/one of main character's former friend/possibly future reformed villain if he takes things too far, as for main characters yeah you can kinda call them a help group, overall it's a pretty basic story about people who have to support eachother in a world not fully made for them, but with a twist of alien invasion
So, white people? That might be a good reference place for your character.
Oh my god they made racism from RWBY a real thing.
What?
@@bocoom it's a joke when you pretend a thing from real life that also exists in media was invented in that media
If i remember correctly it came from "I can't believe they made obsidian from Minecraft a real thing" because not a lot of kids were aware that obsidian was not just a made up video game item
@@amenkeshigomu6744 the fact you had to explain the joke means the joke was terrible to begin with. Thx for explaining it to me though.
@@bocoom a lot of jokes only make sense in context, just because you don't understand a pun in different language doesn't mean that the pun was terrible by itself, but I understand why this specific joke would look weird with or without context
@@bocoomthats a common misconception actually, you see, you're just stupid, anyone with a functioning brain would be able to see what he was getting at without the history lesson, its intuitive, the fact you needed one just makes me concerned
A lot of writers miss opportunities here, based on real world discrimination patterns.
Take so-called middleman minorities, for example.
They are consistently subject to unusually high rates of violent hate crimes historically, and even today if you look at official government hate crime stats, even compared to other discriminated groups.
A "middleman minority" refers to a minority group that often works in roles connecting producers and consumers, like traders or money-lenders. While they might face discrimination, they aren't at the very bottom of the social hierarchy. This concept was first introduced in the 1960s by sociologists Hubert Blalock and Edna Bonacich and later expanded by some economists like Thomas Sowell. This idea could be useful in writing to portray realistic patterns of intense discrimination.
*Tamils in Sri Lanka:* _The Tamil minority in Sri Lanka, who are predominantly Hindus in a majority Buddhist nation, have historically been engaged in business and administrative roles. They faced severe discrimination and violence, particularly during the so-called Sri Lankan Civil War from 1983 to 2009. This conflict was rooted in ethnic tensions between the majority Sinhalese and the minority Tamils, with the latter facing systematic marginalization, riots, and massacres, such as the Black July riots in 1983._
*Igbos in Nigeria:* _The Igbo people, known for their significant presence in commerce and entrepreneurship, faced extreme prejudice and violence in Nigeria. This was most evident during the Biafran War (1967-1970), where the Igbos, primarily in the Southeastern region, attempted to secede. The conflict was fueled by ethnic tensions, economic disparities, and post-colonial power struggles, leading to widespread atrocities, including the targeted killing of Igbos and a devastating famine._
*Overseas Chinese in Indonesia and Malaysia:* _The Chinese diaspora, particularly successful in business and trade, have faced discrimination and periodic violence in these countries. In Indonesia, during the political and economic turmoil in the late 20th century, including the May 1998 riots, the Chinese minority was targeted with violence and looting. In Malaysia, ethnic tensions have been exacerbated by economic disparities and affirmative action policies favoring the ethnic Malay majority, leading to instances of discrimination against the Chinese minority._
*Jewish communities in Europe:* _Throughout history, Jewish communities in Europe have faced persistent prejudice, discrimination, and violence. This ranged from medieval accusations of usury and Christendom-based hostilities to the industrial-scale genocide of the Holocaust by Nazi Germany, where six million Jews were systematically murdered. Antisemitism in Europe was often fueled by economic envy, religious bigotry, and conspiracy theories._
*Korean-Americans in urban U.S.:* _Korean-Americans, many of whom own small businesses in urban areas, have faced racial tensions and hate crimes. A notable example is the 1992 Los Angeles riots following the Rodney King verdict. During the unrest, Korean-American businesses were disproportionately targeted for looting and arson. These tensions were partly due to economic competition and cultural misunderstandings between the African-American community and Korean-American shop owners._
*Indian diaspora in Africa:* _In countries like Uganda, Indians faced severe discrimination, notably under the regime of Idi Amin in the 1970s. Amin expelled Indians, accusing them of economic exploitation and "sabotaging" the Ugandan economy, leading to significant loss of property and livelihood for the Indian community._
Middleman minorities often become targets due to their visible economic roles, cultural differences, and their position within the societal hierarchy (often higher in economic terms compared to the general population), which can foster resentment and lead to hate crimes.
It's a case of people being able to justify this prejudice easily, as a kind of twisted 'punching up'.
In each of these cases, the middleman minority groups faced not only economic discrimination but also cultural and ethnic hostility, often leading to severe violence and societal upheaval. These examples are interesting because they all have a complex interplay of economic roles, ethnic identity, and social dynamics, a goldmine for writers exploring similar themes.
Thanks for this!
I have a race like that too in my story, a race of people that have the ability of regeneration. They are forced by laws for 1000 years to work at medicine and health. Although the law was abolished after the revolution, 90% of the medical industry is run by them. Because of that, many people make conspiracy theory. Also, It doesn't help the fact that their biggest civil rights advocate murdered the leader of the revolutionary for ignoring minorities cause
@@XxxTrofimLysenkoGamingxxX LOL
Someone's gonna beat me to it.
I had a (slightly) similar idea with 'healer' 'mages' being in a similar situation for a story of my own.
Basically, if people become dependent on someone else, they often try to paint the services of that other person as a 'right'.
If the other person denies them this 'right' in any way, they use accusations of having 'what is rightfully theirs' taken from them as an excuse for theft and violence to take what they want.
Imagine if you have healers that are capable of regenerating both themselves and others when needed.
BUT, here's the catch, while they can theoretically live forever, if they use their powers a lot in the short term, while they can save lives that would otherwise be lost, it starts to eat into their own lifespans, and increase their risk of dying without warning.
This leads to them being very hesitant to use their skills, and they prefer to keep to themselves. They have all the time in the world, after all.
Many of the normal humans of their medieval world, with lifespans reaching their 30s if they're lucky, see this as an outrage.
You have entire faiths dedicated to the idea that these 'healing mages' have received a gift from god.
Not using this gift to 'help their fellow man' is seen as a sin worthy of enslavement, and an early death from 'overwork'.
You could also have many healers becoming cold-hearted as a result of this, doing things like visiting plague stricken towns, and offering salvation only in exchange for magically-enforced 'debt slavery'.
The 'magelings' of this world with healing magic are far more common than combat types, because mages are (mostly) born in this setting.
Combat-oriented magic is seen as a curse, with even babies being killed if their aptitude for it is discovered.
This makes combat mages, and healer/combat hybrids especially, _exceedingly_ rare.
Since the healers are also 'fleshcrafters'/biomancers to an extent, you also have some mage clans trying to breed/engineer 'arcane warriors' (combat mages).
These groups are cracked down on ruthlessly, in no small part because the last time arcane warriors were common, mages had empires comparable to the Tevinter Imperium in Dragon Age.
Basically, magic Romans, with all the glory (and conquest) that implies.
This past history also fuels the victim complex of the local faiths, who were essentially in the spot Christianity was in with Rome.
Whatcha think?
@@DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist interesting!
The middleman minorities do face violence, but perhaps the skewed statistics are also partly caused by the fact that there's less reporting/recording of violence on the minorities at the bottom, too. That's another part of racism, giving people less access to report what happens to them and leaving their records out of the system.
I think it's important to keep in mind that the reasons given by a society for their prejudice don't have to align with the real reason it exists. For example, it's easy to find bigots who'll spin you a whole phrenology lesson to justify themselves, but that only exists to explain away a position they hold to protect a statu quo they benefit from or just to rationalise all the vague stereotypes they were taught while they were kids and now it would take a too much effort to reexamine.
Never gonna forget the fact RWBY actually watched the creation and history of their world play out in front of their eyes from the gods themselves, to the extinction and rebirth of humanity all the way to the creation of their worlds version of Satan, and still there was no reason or explanation given as to why the faunas came to be beyond 'oh yeah these weird people with animal traits also started showing up at one point when humanity came back'
Classic RWBY L.
"Oh yeah, then the Gods drunkenly tossed in these beastfolk with a persecution complex to make humanity's lives suck even harder."
"But why?"
"I dunno. This is all gonna get retconned anyway."
RWBY really did have this grand idea to sell white nerds on a storyline about racism using catgirls as a stand-in for black people.
Then it realized that was actually still kind-of hard to write, so they just backed away from it hard and just occasionally talk about how Blake was oppressed every now and then.
@@dracocrusher Except they don't even follow through on that anymore since they changed Blake from being an activist street-rat that grew into a domestic terrorist organization from childhood, and turned her into faunas princess batman whose family rules over a tropical island paradise. (Menagerie being a shit continent is only implied never shown, the only danger we ever see during the two volumes we're there only comes from other Faunas terrorists)
The damage volume 4 and 5 did to Blake and the rest of the faunas is one of the biggest unforgivable writing sins made with modern RWBY, Blake was supposed to be the character that had a bit of an edge to her among the protags, and I 100% believe the original intent was for her to be a repentant ex villain that'd killed people in the past as hinted by Roman in episode 11 of volume 2, now all the edge and potential is gone, the droplets of responsibility flecked onto Adam's drowned and bloated corpse, all Blake amounts to as a character now is being Yangs cute blushy catgirl gf
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Yeah I was legit thinking about that when I was watching this. Of all the things they could have done during the flashback sequence, they legit only touched upon Faunas now existing but then did nothing else with them. Though I'm pretty sure by V6 they've already decided to ditch the White Fang and Faunus racism plot so they likely didn't think about touching upon why it existed since they were moving on from it, which is still dumb. Just because you are moving away from it doesn't mean it just stops existing as a thing in past volumes. You still have 5 volumes where this was a plot point for Blake and the world and it just now is a thing that goes unexplained.
@@bubbajoe117 Ruby as a series can only do one character trait at a time because the writing isn't good enough to work with more complexity than that.
So Blake specc'd out of her "Oppressed Minority" character tree and reallocated all her points into the "Yuri Ship" character tree, lol! Way easier to handle that one when all you have to do is show characters blushing and acting cute instead of handling the problem of their villains maybe having a point.
... Oh, right... they have to actually write a relationship now.... weelll...... no worries, just have Blake and Yang blush at eachother more. That's how you write an engaging character dynamic, right? Man, RWBY's so good at this.
Bringing up Moxxie's crime boss father is a bad example when talking about how prejudice against Imps does not make sense in Helluva Boss. Crimson is a crime boss; someone who operates outside of society. Many criminal organizations in real life, like the Yakuza, got started by the underclass. If anything an imp being a powerful crimeboss supports Imps being underclass.
Blitzo is an outlier, because his business is legal.
But how are there laws in Hell? We don’t see much of society in Helluva boss. My impression was that there weren’t any laws and hell is a anarchy in Helluva boss.
Helluva boss criticism often seems to be "why don't I know this thing that isn't relevant to the story". I don't know how he ended up powerful but there are lots of believable ways that can happen without being inconsistent
@@AlexCenFiner Anarchy doesn't mean "no government" or "no laws", it means "no rulers". This is still plausible in that the people in charge don't actually do much ruling. Despite that, there are acts the citizenry could commit which would cause so much trouble for them, or for Hell in general - which MEANS for them, that they'll proactively go after anybody who does them. And it's not too hard to guess what many of those things would be. Thus, there are practical laws whether there exists any criminal code or courts.
@@DanaOtken hell has monarchy, that weird "no humans out of pride" law, prisons, and hellhounds are pretty much a slave race so I wouldn't consider it anarchy. It's almost like a dictatorship where the higher ups have such an extreme biological advantage that they don't need to hold the lower class down with laws
@@ah-sh9dw Fair enough, although I'd add the higher ups also seem to have little to no reliance on the lower class for goods and services... so we basically replace the rule of law for the combined good of the commons and security of the rulers with "don't make me come over there". From the standpoint of the average citizen, it might be very similar to anarchy.
Great video, but something i noticed:
11:58 I’d like to offer a slight counterpoint - in real life, oppressive societies aren’t black-and-white like this all the time. While in franchises like The Hunger Games, the portrayal of District/Capital relations fits your description, that is more likely than not to simplify a complex issue in order to streamline the narrative of the story. In most cases not everyone in an oppressed minority group is at the same income level or level of influence. Despite this, all are affected by this society.
In Slavery-era and Jim Crow era USA, there were several AAs (some of whom were former slaves) who “made it” and became important figures of their time, such as Frederick Douglass, George Washington Carver, W.E.B. Dubois, Madam C.J. Walker (who was by all means a member of the elite class), and others. All of these people were black, wealthy, and at least somewhat well-known in their time - one that was rife with anti-blackness to an extreme degree. Should people be barred from including this in their works?
I think that this point could instead be retranslated to showing that even those who have “made it-“ or, seemingly, escaped the grip of a systemically racist society - aren’t free from it. They aren’t exceptions to the rule, and even fringe cases are victims of the overall society. This can be a powerful tool for storytelling.
For examples of a concept like this fueling real events in history, W.E.B Dubois constantly had to fight to ensure that other AAs would find success, and when he pushed against lynching in his editorials, he faced backlash and was nearly ousted from his own organization for it.
Booker T. Washington, another black man and former slave in Jim Crow America, became a fellow-traveler of White Supremacy and accommodated it. In the same way, people in many minority groups are taught that their inferiority is justified.
I suppose that the story of Alice Coachman parallels RWBY’s. She was the first African American to win a gold medal in the 1948 Olympic Games. However, this win did not show that African Americans enjoyed the same rights as- or were accepted by - the white American populace as a whole.
In fictional writings, integrating this nuance may make for a more realistic and compelling story. I think that this shouldn’t be ignored if someone wants to write a more detailed society with racism as a key player.
Well said
Another easy example from recent mainstream media would be Grand Admiral Thrawn, who is quite literally the only Alien in the Galactic Empire to hold the rank of Grand Admiral and even has the respect/fear from his fellow Imperial Officers. So much so that he is considered to be the only one who could lead the Empire should both Darth Vader and Palpatine be removed. Doesn't mean that the Empire is warming up to aliens, but it shows that if you are someone like Thrawn then you will be able to succeed.
Yeah, that bothered me as well. It's not like america solved racism just because Obama was president either. Clearly it's possible for a prejudiced society to have oppressed minorities in positions of high standing without the prejudice being somehow inconsistent.
Amazing points. Was thinking about this at this point in the video as well. These types of "apparent exceptions " can be really interesting if implemented well. Real life once again gives us the blueprint of a great story!
Also worth mentioning that not all discrimination is born out of ignorance, maliciousness, or otherwise outright evil beliefs or behaviours, sometimes it's born out of necessity or practicality. One of the best examples of this throughout human history has been the military.
A truly "equal" society would encourage or force women into armed combat in the same numbers it does men, but if you think about that for a second it's easy to recognize why that's a terrible idea. Men are generally much stronger and more aggressive than women, so their capacity to fight will be much greater - but more importantly, a society that throws it's primary method of reproduction into the meat grinder is a society that's destined not to be around for too long.
Question: is Skyrim a racist world that doesn’t sound cringe? Everyone’s just so casually racist. Towards… everyone. It’s honestly a bit refreshing? Like, Orcs being super distrustful of non-Orcs, Khajiit needing to sell outside of cities, “SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS”, etc
Amen to that.
Nah it tries to have its cake and eat it too by condemning racism but then bizarrely trying to justify it. The Thalmor as a concept should've never existed, that's not how racism works, humans would be the unabashed oppressors if they wanted an active portrayal of racism. Same with the way they wrote the Dark Elves and Snow Elves.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I mean, I’d say that makes sense. There are people who are racist, then there’s others who are more tolerant of others whether because of experience or convenience.
@@rext.b.4436 That's not what I was saying?
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 oh nvm then, im dumb
Often the way people experience prejudice is that they find out about it in passing even if they were the one discriminated against. Experiencing discrimination is finding out your white friend has never been pulled over by a police officer but for you it's just a normal occurrence that happens every now and then when you drive down that one road. The police officer doesn't pull you over and say "I pulled you over because you look X", your own perception has only your own experiences as a yardstick with which to measure, so sometimes you find out only long after the incident has occurred and it just leaves you with a cold pit in your stomach.
Yeah it is a lot more subtle these days up to the point where when it isn't: you'd think the person is either telling some edgy joke or playing a racially biased character from a period piece.
Tbf sometimes people are overt w it tho
I mean, some groups legit gonna tell you how much they hate your existence to your face. The loudest ( and most powerful one) is religious people. Also don't assume discrimination functions everywhere in the world the same as in America. Some people say all the implicit words even there.
Or perhaps your friend drives a nice respectable car and you just so happen to drive an old bagger that looks like it just got off the set of an 80s crime drama. Still discrimination, but not quite the discrimination you were after.
Studies have proven that people will often feel discriminated against even when they aren't to an extremely high degree because as it turns out humans are really bad at mind reading.
That's the thing most people don't seem to get when it comes to racism. Racism isn't (usually) just some guy in obvious white robes with a torch and screaming about how racist he is. It's the blonde haired teenage girl automatically assuming someone using food stamps when she sees their skin color. It's the police officer pulling over only a specific group of people because he was taught and trained to see that specific group of people as a higher chance of danger. It's the politician passing laws to enforce more security cameras in minority-based neighborhoods because they have issues of crime but never moving to address why said crime is happening in the first place.
Racism is a complicated thing to write. Especially if you're not the one who actually experienced it. Or even the odds that you don't even know you deal with racism on a daily basis because it's just a normalcy for you until you learn that your white friend doesn't have to go through the same issues that you do.
I think for the Helluva Boss one, the reason why no one bat's an eye on Beelzebub and her partner being a hell hound is that she is THE sin. She is Gluttony, the Cardinal Sin. No one ain't gonna question that.
While Stolas and Blitzø relationship is considered controversial, is Stolas isnt as invulnerable in his position. He can be replaceable, that's why he has a kid.
And for Moxie dad being Uber rich. Well..... They are in the greed realm, where money is more important that family. So anyone can be an Uber rich Mafia man, as long you have the power and the status to not be fucked around, another example the reveal of Chazwick scam.
The problem is that show mostly talks, doesn't shows. It always talks about classicism and stuff and here is Fizz being so popular while being an imp. Why Beelzebub is not rasist? Ozz?? They'e literally ones of the people who promote this way of treating lower classes. Even if these reasons you said are valid, there's not enough consistency in the show to make these arguments impactful
It would make more sense If beezlebub treated her partner more like a dog and kept things secret, and the characters could have found out about the relationship by snooping around, which could end up in beezlebub getting so angry that she turns into her beast form and there is an attack scene. That could have been interesting. And if she treats her partner like a dog and a slave, it keeps the classism consistent and shows a new sense of evilness to beelzebub and develop her as a character
@@Mepm3p Tbh, I haven't seen the show, but I only watched video essay of the show. But I do wanna ask, if this is consistent in her character when she was shown in her episode.
Plus, with latest episode exploring more on this which SPOILERS!
Ozzy and Fuzz relationship, and the reveal (which was mostly positive). But it does show the dehumanization of imps via Fizz. Then again, Mammon is a POS.
@@wondaraptor I will say that Fizz is an entertainer and the obnoxious production of RoboFizz of him because of Mammon those make him more popular. Since Mammon basically advertised RoboFizz to be a product to be used for everything from being a cleaner to being used for the most depraved seggsual shit. And that has been quite explicit
Yeah but the problem is that Helluva needs to SHOW that, it can't just make plot holes and expect the audience to fill them with our imagination
"i forgot this character can't do that due to the worldbuilding"
i recommend this thing called the Writing Bible (it's basically a notebook or notepad file filled with character notes and established rules for the world.. if you write this before the actual story, all you gotta do is always refer back to the notes for guidance.. sure it can feel limiting at times but it also helps for sake of consistency)
I honestly kind-of hate how focused this is on 'consistency' above everything else. It sounds nice, but people aren't consistent. Life isn't even really consistent feeling half the time. It's one thing to have basic rules for yourself, but if you focus on that too hard your writing is going to get stale and you won't enjoy making things. Just do whatever, you know? It's good to keep guidelines in mind, but just make something you would enjoy reading and it'll serve you so much better than whether or not everyone in your story acts a specific way or whatever.
I'd only write down stuff like that if it SHOULD be a hard rule of the setting that can't change. But even then, whenever I see a hard established rule my first thought is how I can challenge it in a way that makes logical sense. Just my thoughts, but I feel like that's a pretty good way to approach things.
@@dracocrusher yeah the video is indeed more focused on consistency than the point itself, but i don't think there's anything wrong with that.. personally i think plot-holes actually leave room for interpretation but that's probably because i spent a lot of time watching Film Theory and The Theorizer, who both base most their theories on making sense out of plot-holes.. but good use of consistency can also show how well thought out a story is..
@@12DAMDO Plot holes really only works if you're one of those "JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING" type of wingin' it writers, where you sort of subconsciously hold those plot holes in the back of your mind and then find a fantastic element that fits in said hole and doesn't jar anything previously set down out of place when you slot it in.
Source: am a wingin' it writer with an otherworldly ability to subconsciously leave gaps and fill them later in non-breaking ways, I blame being neurodivergent and having a robust paracosm as a lonely and bullied single child often left to my own devices.
A plot hole by definition is a bad, BAD thing to have in, what you want is DELIBERATE ambiguity gaps that add in mystery, even if as the writer you yourself don't know where that piece is going, it's closer to a [????]/"mystery zone" in the script than a hole that's gonna make everyone who steps in it faceplant. Like a mysterious shadowy corner hiding something instead of just this pitfall that's going to break someone's immersion/interest.
@@neoqwerty i mean it's true that by definition it's bad writing, but it's fun to watch theory channels try to explain the plot-holes with their theories..
The points are logical and concise. Varied examples that concerns the topic at hand. Video seems like not only a good guide but also one open to dialogue. Very Nice.
Whites need to stop telling others how they perceive them. Just because you're uncomfortable with the message doesn't make it untrue
Time traveller
9:20 marginalized groups succeeding in their societies despite the odds is not far-fetched and has happened a lot in real life.
We just don’t need to forget that even successful marginalized people aren’t completely off the hook, just like irl
* and then historically attacked and dismantled from the advantage they had specifically because it threatened another group (usually whats considered the majority) of people in said area
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre
www.loc.gov/exhibits/civil-rights-act/segregation-era.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King_Jr.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Malcolm_X
(i just happen to be American so these are the ones I know off the top of my head)
While true every one person that beats the odds thousands are not as lucky and it also gets harder for those after if the majority feels their power threatened.
A lot? Stretching that pretty far.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Do you have anything intelligent to say, or are you just spreading ignorance in every comment's replies?
all of my dnd worlds have french ppl racism against high elves
someone: "freaking high elves all haughty and pretentious i hate their accents and they always run from conflict"
high elf: "cant hear you over the taste of my glorious wine and my beautiful long life"
different high elf: "sorry for being a high elf :("
I don't understand what you mean by french ppl racism
One thing you also should try to do is think about who wants systemic racism to exist and in what form.
While the show has major flaws Star Vs. did this well. Because as well learn the only reason racism against monsters exists is because the Mejmen drove them from the land and otherrized them to avoid feeling guilty. In fact the line between monster and non monster was so vague, that it turns out the only thing keeping monsters down, was their overall poverty, which made it so they were refused rights unlike the Pidgons
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This is something that people criticize Harry Potter for. There are a TON of different systemic issues brought up and introduced as important plot points, that get just ignored by the end.
The house elves slavery gets brought up the most but this also applies to the Kobolds, Centaurs and Muggleborn. And also bullying on a systemic level (seriously is anyone surprised that the Slytherins want to keep to themselves if every other house hates them? It’s even in the school founding myth that everyone except Slytherin gets along great)
People even joke that all the problems would get solved if they just removed the evil house.
Well harry potter author already write book systemic racism it create more complex create the author and viewer
I was honestly so mad reading the first book as a teen that Harry didn't get sorted to Slytherin, because I wanted a story about someone who is as smart and cunning as he is brave and that felt like the setup it was laying out until The Joke dumped that "as slytherin as griffindor" aspect from Harry.
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In retrospect I wonder why the hat wanted to put Harry into Slytherin.
He isn’t very clever or cunning. He is barely even a leader, since he spends most of his time just doing what others tell them or waiting for someone to come up with something.
He doesn’t plan and scheme. The biggest “scheme” he is partakes in is the form changing potion in book 2. Which wasn’t his idea.
The Seven Deadly Sins can be explained as them being the TOP of society, so they can ignore the rules that applies to everyone below them. The fact they existed before Hell and are likely Angels albeit fallen gives them a lot more freedom to do what they want. Though they certainly need to make it clear where most of the Seven stand, since they reference Asmodeus being one of the “weaker” ones thus why he tried to hide his sleeping with those considered his inferiors.
In comparison Stolas is so low on the aristocratic totem pole he had to have a child as a spare heir to the thrones just. In. Case. And him sleeping with an imp is scandalous as a result.
I think that weakest sin line was more Crimson taking a jab at Asomdeus being pan(not sure the exact sexual orientation) and the fact he has a clear weakness when it comes to Fizz
@@BlueBlazeKing I could see it going both ways, or potentially that amongst the Seven he’s the weakest politically. Cause like the fact one of the Sins openly dates a Hellhound but isn’t viewed as a weakness makes me think he’s lacking power of some kind in comparison.
I think with Helluva Boss people miss 3 things. First, we only have half of Hell's story because Hazbin Hotel hasn't come out yet. The second is that Hell itself is an inconsistent and chaotic society by design, with each ring prioritizing something different values, almost like a feudal society with an overall ruler but feudal lords wielding almost uncontested power in their own right. Even with Asmodeous and Fizz the issue wasn't them being in a relationship it was about Az being a hypocrite.Third, I think a mistake people make is applying the distinct culture of the Ars Goetia to all of hell. They are the classic stuffy middle managers who actually derive their authority from the caste system so they are the most concerned with upholding it at least as far as they have the power to do so lording over imps, hell hounds and other hell born yet avoiding direct action against sinners and the overlords who they are technically above but lack the brute power to push around.
@@jumpingchicken69 See the thing with Asmodeus is also that he’s one of the Are Goetia as well. He’s the only one who is a member of that group even as a ruler of hell in demonology. So him being bogged down by lower tier aristocracy while the others aren’t would be entirely probable.
Honestly, I agree that the Faunus in RWBY is a good example of how not to do things, but I'm not a fan of "Atlas and Mistral have Faunus in positions of fame and power!" critiques. Doesn't Team USA have black Olympians? Didn't America have a black President? And are America's racial disparities solved?
I think RWBY's powerful and famous Faunus characters are a missed opportunity to see how they respond, or try to address, (or don't try to address) their conflicting identitied as both prominent figures and oppressed identities.
Alternatively, having an 'oppressed' person in a position of power could be a critique of cultural genocide. Have the person be in that position because they've sacrificed their identity so thoroughly as to be unrecognizable from the in group, possibly even more racist to those who look like them, and if you want, show how even then while they're in a position of power they're still treated as other to an extent that suggests if they slip up they'd fall back into the gutters right away.
Also, sorry that Lithuanians treated you that way! I assumed Kaunas or Vilnius were better in regards of "being-accepting" and all that jist. In smaller town *cough* Klaipeda, yeah, even exchange students that had slavic accent were treated badly by old-women in kiosk, as in "why you aren't speaking Lithuanian??" she said to literal exchange student. But if one looks american that's another can of worms, some old man may start ranting about "you left our partisans to die in the forest" and all.
sorry for my breteren they just are very russophobic, hope we become completely neutral diplomaticaly, and be friends with evevryone even the pariah states especialy pariah states.
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Amerikkkan influence needs to leave first. It's the main reason such division is fueled in the first place. The empire has an interest in dividing its subjects to better control and exploit them.
@@BanBootlickingYeah go localism wooooo
@@BanBootlickingAs a American I agree-
Super good "How-to Racism/sexism/a decent amount of other isms" video for both writing and real life!
Jokes aside, this one really is good, adding it to my worldbuilding playlist.
Alot of early steven universe “filler” was not really filler, it was early characterization with the purpose of fleshing out characters/character dynamics/world building. Tiger millionaire highlighted amethyst’s building insecurities and sets the wrestling scene in beach city to be a reoccurring thing, episodes like cat fingers/too many birthdays set up for powers steven has/will have and builds relationships (steven and the gems/steven and greg) etc. There is a purpose for alot of the “filler” in steven universe that is lost if the episodes were removed or skipped, just pointing that out.
Sure but there also are a lot of episodes made to flesh out characters that honesty went nowhere and as such feel pointless.
I know people like to shit on Ronaldo for being annoying and self centered but his two episodes are far from the biggest wastes of time the show commits.
As an example did we really need two Onion and a Sourcream episode? While either preparing for war or having to deal with the cluster? Both of these characters do nothing and go nowhere.
Similar thing with the donut shop employees, who’s names I forgot. I know the guy exists during a few episodes on homeworld but after those two we leave him and come back so much later that he turned into a space pirate legend and STILL did nothing afterwards.
Or how many “we discover that Rose has secrets” episodes did. we really need? There is Lion, the hidden armory, the tape/trash pile. Sure they seem important but in reality they go nowhere.
@@frankwest5388 The extended space pirate captain Harlock reference was worth a hundred Lars episodes.
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The thing with much of Steven Universe filler is that most aren’t really bad or boring. Again having Lars become a space pirate was kinda cool but it also went nowhere. Which is why they don’t feel bad to watch in isolation but they are usually placed in such weird and awkward places narratively, that it does break the pacing and as such worsens the overall narrative.
Also the worst episodes of the show were the melon people (one of Stevens many random powers that go nowhere) and Onion episodes (I don’t care that he is non-verbal or disabled, kid was just an annoying prick, who’s attention Steven for some reason wanted)
@@frankwest5388 Having Lion feels extremely important considering he establishes Steven's teleportation powers, which also ties into Ronaldo's entire character arc where he becomes their gateway to Homeworld for a bit while also leading into the Offcolor Gems, which also feel pretty valuable since they directly showcase the oppression of the Diamonds towards 'defects' in a pretty effective ways.
That's the wild thing, right? So much stuff feels pointless but comes back later on in really intricate interconnected ways. Heck, you could probably make a decent argument that only the non-canon Uncle Grandpa episode is REALLY filler since everything else furthers the plotlines of characters in the town, which comes back when Aquamarine and Topaz attack the city and actively threaten most of these characters.
Like you can say it's ineffecient, but it does feel important that there are people in Steven's life he's willing to sacrifice himself for that the audience has grown used to outside of the Gems and his immediate family.
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As I already said, most “filler” SU episodes aren’t bad, often they are actually a lot of fun. They are just really awkwardly placed.
However some elements of “filler” are really so minor that you could have written them out or around from the start.
One issue that much of the filler has, is the classic “nothing happens without Steven around” problem. We get many episodes of Steven hanging around the Beach City people but very few of the Gems interacting with them. Which leads to the issue of “us knowing what we are fighting for” becoming kinda shallow.
We see who Steven wants to defend and fight for but the Gems have very little relations with the citizens that aren’t directly involved in the plot. Sure they interact with Connie and sometimes Greg but outside them not much. Even in the episodes where Amethyst cheats in wrestling or Perl gets charmed by a random lady, they don’t interact with any other members of the cast. This makes it worse because it makes the distance between “plot” and “non plot” wider. To the point that it starts feeling as if there are two different series going on at once, the “random thing Steven does today” and the “Gem war” shows and they never really converge
Like any episode focused on the baked goods employees, the cool kids, the kid from season 1 who’s dad owns a fast food shop, Onion. Inevitably becomes unrelated to the rest of the show, including the main plot, so if you care about the gem war plot more, like most do, you mentally just shut off from the episode
This is why the show feels like it has much filler, despite it not falling under the technical definition of “filler content”
I think this is a guide that works but also misunderstands oppression in the same way most audiences do.
For example, black people are oppressed in america, and there are still black presidents, billionaires, and supreme court justices. It's about understanding the goal of that oppression and how oppression allows for visibility when that goal is still being serviced. Black people despite the strong political wins face the same economic disparities before they were barred from participating in government at all because the new oppression is simply only allowing "specific blacks" that will maintain the status quo.
In Helluva Boss, Queen B is the embodiment of gluttony. It's not just about eating lots of food in excess, it's also about just indulging your desires and pleasures as well, so if she wants to indulge in dating someone in the lowest class then she can
Note: just paraphrasing from a previous comment I saw on this topic, forget the original commenter though sorry
It is acceptable, because Vortex (and for that matter Fizarolli) is publicly seen as a courtesan.
The scandal would be admitting the relationship is not purely physical.
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to be fair, politics can develop in really quick, weird and stupid ways so such seeming inconsistencies can kinda show up... in reality
think of how often token success stories are used by prejudiced societies to show that "it can't be that bad... this guy could make it"
I write somewhere in the intersection of mystery, adventure, and crime fiction, and with my current projects I incorporate themes like racism that are personally important to me.
Something that a lot of people miss is how consistently low expectations damage someone’s confidence and willingness to succeed. If people expect you to not be eloquent or expect you to not do well in school or expect you to be a criminal, it screws you up. You stop wanting to try, and if you don’t have a good support system you fall through the cracks.
I do a lot of research in the Jim Crow period as well and it’s disheartening to see how many people are still ignorant of all the horrible things that happened as far as the syphilis experiments, how objectively evil lynchings were, redlining and other things that ruined familial structures and prevented most black people from generating generational wealth. Ida B. Wells did a great job chronicling lynchings all over the South only for everyone to just go along and still be ignorant about it since somehow black history isn’t also being taught like it should be
ok not very far, but I'd like to bring attention to the fact that SU doesn't have as much filler as people make it out to have. see hiding in private's video on season 1 on steven universe, made a cool calendar like visual aid on why it doesn't have much filler
I write RWBY fanfic and I actually fixed the plotholes/inconsistencies you pointed out.
For me, Team FNKI is the first integrated team in Atlas Academy's history. Normally, teams are all Faunus or all human. Winter encouraged Ironwood to try an integrated team for the first time and she would _personally_ train them. Anybody trying to speak against it would go against a highly respected figure (Winter) so people would be more reluctant to do that.
As for Marrow, he was a later addition to the Ace Ops (I don't follow the Tortuga plotline because I did my work with them _before_ V8) and was hand-picked by Ironwood because he's actually a genius-level intellect. His teacher attempt to flunk him but Ironwood caught wind of what was going on and caught it before it happened. He plays the ditz for the public, but he's really the tactician for the team.
All of this is because Ironwood is trying to make things better for women and Faunus. He grew up in a Faunus-majority area so he sees them as people and not just animals like most Atlassians do. As for women, well, with its history of oppression, it makes some level of sense for there to be sexism. I made Atlas an inherently sexist/racist society and, while there _are_ exceptions for high-ranking, powerful women (ie Elm, Harriet, Winter, Robyn and her Huntresses), they're the exception, not the rule. Sometimes women _can_ become high-ranking, powerful people; it's just _very_ difficult for it to happen.
Your fix sounds interesting! What's the name? I wanna read it!
Rwby. Where fanfics do a better job at worldbuilding.
(And more).
@@gayanudugampola8973this doesn’t actually do a good job unless the Grimm issue is fixed and unless it is explained why winter is against the racism
Why is winter not racist? Why would winter be the one they are going against and not ironwood who actually put them together? Why would people be scared of going against winter in a sexist and misogynistic kingdom?
As for winter, wouldn’t it make sense for being to blame her status on her father?
@@BabyGirlTinyPerhaps her lack of hatred towards the fanus might have something to do with Ironwood being her mentor. Maybe it was Ironwood’s influence on Winter that made her open minded. That would explain why Weiss is more judgmental of the fanus then Winter was considered she was about to break away from her family. That’s just a theory tho, it might be interesting is the show had went more in depth with that.
Great video!
And I love the digs at rwby.
This is really helpful! Im trying to make a story for dnd where a eldritch deity masking as a Goddess manipulated a God of a planet she found to kill their mother to obtain her status and power and manipulated people into thinking the original goddess was evil which made people divide and go against each other to where the people who love the new Goddess are taught to hate and discriminate the people who worship the old goddess who are branded as heretics which are usually beastfolk and certains druids, sages, and witches. The new Goddess brought them technology and basically improved their societies which made people want to worship the new Godddess more.
I think the trick is simple: the prejudice is normal and self-evident in such a world. You don't need to point out that someone is like this or that because of their skin color or whatever, the same way you don't need to point out it is raining when you stand outside in the rain. It goes without saying.
Prejudice isn't normal and is often taught. People back in the 1700s knew slavery was wrong but the profits from the slave trade made them turn a blind eye to it. There are reasons why people are spiteful to others if they didn't have a reason they would not waste their time focusing on it.
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Not really? Slavery was seen as morally okay-ish in most cultures in history, with only a few exceptions. Only from around 1700 onwards European philosophies, both secular and religious and associated with the enlightenment, started to view it as inherently immoral to hold humans in bondage (both serfdom and slavery), and also spread and exported that attitude.
Which then led to a whole bucket load of justifications for its continued existence on both sides of the Atlantic among those who profited from it financially.
@@Alias_Anybody Slavery was not seen as morality okayish not back in the 1700s not during the times of the Romans not ever. The only reason we get such a rosy view of the past is because the ones in power who held slaves often paid for propaganda to keep the practice in good light.
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Did you hop in a time machine and asked 200 Jose Shmoes in Lisbon 1520 what they thought of slavery? Sure, the mainstream opinion on such a topic was usually dictated by the powerful who profited from it, but that doesn't mean it didn't work. If 30% of the population supported it and 70% couldn't give less of a frick it's arguably an okay thing on a societal level. It clearly wasn't even a bit taboo.
I agree because prejudice and that sort of stuff have been seen in the animal kingdom as well. I think the main thing is being opposed to something "different" or "unknown." We think something acts or looks different from the "norm" and we don't like it, or we already have built in associations to that thing.
One interesting form of discrimination is ableism. Its when people pity the group and want to help them, but the group either doesnt need help or the "help" isnt actual help. The ableists might also want to "cure" them. The ableists believe hurtful misinformation. The voices of the group are ignored, because they go against what the ableists want, and that is to feel good about themselves.
I’m actually writing a Hetalia fanfic and it with a fem-England taking care of her kid yes i made them biological manly because i like imagining it and i want fluff but it take place during the English civil war of 1642 so I need to add some of this stuff and this is a big help because i’m new like really new to writing so this is going to be a major help
a hetalian in 2023?? 😳
@@rawrrayugayay i was actually Originally in the country humans fandom but it was a bit to toxic for me and the Hetalia fandom just fit more with me Manly because i liked experimenting with county not agree with or even not liking there bosses something hetalia does but i also like exploring darker points in history something hetalia doesn’t do so most if not all of my historical fanfic’s have some darker themes to them 😅
Sorry if i word vomit a bit I have a bad habit of going in to long discussions about stuff i like or take interest in
@@Sophia-maria no its fine lol i used to be in the countryhumans fandom too but I liked hetalia more so I left
I know what is like to live in a prejudice society. But your right about it. I always wanted to give awareness from racism one day, like writing the concept of racism about or somethn like that..
Oh my goodness
some good points but the cristisms of Steven Universe's "filler" really ticked me off. Two episodes you showed definitely added more to the characters: Amythyst feeling burdened by the gems and having a secret identity and a humorous episode placing Garnet in a situation where she's not the smartest.
And they definitely pass the "something your audience wants to see rule" seen they're comedic scenes for kids. Just because an episode doesn't follow an overarching plot doesn't mean it's pointless. Being entertaining can be the point of a scene depending on the tone.
I was about to point that out. Decided to rewatch SU and there's so much less filler than it felt like there was. I think people were just hoping for big plot moments with the diamonds and got disappointed whenever an episode finally aired that wasn't what they were hoping for. We didn't realize how much important information and key character moments actually played out because we were focused on bigger questions
@@felixthelemon978Yeah but being gone for multiple months at a time is disastrous. Hell look at the cluster arc, multiple episodes with the cluster basically being in one and it just get bubbled without issue. The only issue was the drill and the pressure of getting down there. Could've easily been that gems were flaking off making big ol forced fusions to fight but not really. SU is a slice of life show that is pretending to be an action adventure.
Literally its just heaven's lost property. No literally look at the plot struture of the series where episode episode 12 is a three way date and episode 13 is the main girl fighting 2 other angels that trying to take her back. The tonal whiplash was crazy for me when I watched it back in the day
@@WhyYouMadBoi yeah but steven never intended to be an action adventure show tho.
@@WhyYouMadBoi just finished the cluster arc in my rewatch, and I thought it was pretty good. I didn't get any of that tonal whiplash, personally. It's more like a peridot character arc than just the cluster arc, and looking at it that way while watching, the pacing felt right to me
Well-fuck. I'm currently writing fanfic that is set in the 2000s and one of the issues is homophobia, BUT I tend to be reluctant on how extreme it should be, because I don't want to be to showcased as too extreme. Because not everybody were homophobic in 2000s (that's a cope I'm telling myself). Anyways, thanks for the video! Gonna come back to my draft .
My sister wasn't homophobic in the 2000s. I was though, at the time and I was only a child.
yep. I mean I am sure growing up, we insulted each orher by calling each other gay, but at the same time, i supported gay marriage at like the age of 9, and whenever someone was legitimately bigoted we dogpilled him,
2000s were way better than today year
And why are you placing in 2000s
If you don't want it to extreme then don't write It
Making fanfiction only about homophobia is retarded, cringe and pretencious as f
As someone currently writing this stuff. This video came at a perfect time...that being said...it basically just reinforced my current methods!
I want to be an author when I'm older so this video was really helpful!
Thanks. that was a nice video. I do wish that you have a few examples of racism with no reason given. I find it hard to imagine that people forget and I can't think of any examples off the top of my head. (Aside from the "evil races" in D&D, which might still have reasons depending on which setting you are looking at.)
While I agree with a lot of points in this video, the one I disagree with is the point about having a member of the oppressed group be apart of the elite. You can too have that for two specific reason. 1st, someone can be just so much of a kiss ass, but also a manipulator that they end up in power through dubious means. This can be either blackmail, having their hands in everything relevant, and/or being the head of the underworld; thus gaining respect when they otherwise wouldn't. They 2nd reason, which can play off the first, is that the true discrimination is actually class-based. Essentially the person we perceive as apart of the oppressed group is actually using their people as a smokescreen for the manipulation they are doing behind the seens. Basically selling their own people short to make them look good in comparison to the oppressive society. In reality, everyone is being used by the elite and you can write a story around how realizing that is what breaks the perception of the prejudice at its core. You could also have a story in which that person has been corrupted somehow and the plot can revolve how some sort of evil is what cursing everyone to act this way.
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this one's actually a poor example imo (spoilers below)
The island they're on was a "gift" to the faunice(?) as a place *for* them... Yea, it was to keep them out of the way; but it's not like it's a concentration camp; they can *leave* at any time, and they're the only ones there. I think this was actually decent world building
Feel free to correct me if I got something wrong
No it was not a gift. They were forced to go to there due to racism. Why would anyone choose to go back to a racist place that hates them? That’s the whole point of the island. The racists didn’t want them there. And on top of that, the way Blake describes the island, that’s not an actual gift because it wasn’t even a place with a lot of resources or a lot of space. So you want them to be happy because they got a shitty island to live on, because racists didn’t want them to live in their kingdoms? And you’re saying that’s good worldbuilding? Make it make sense
It’s even funnier because in the world of Rwby, mistral is supposed to be the most racist place out of all the four kingdoms.
I’m not pulling this information out of nowhere, they said this in one of their lore’s of remnant series
I feel a few of the oppressed class can be in the elite or in power in stories.
They can be a mouthpiece for the rule, an uncle ruckus, a sell-out, black mailed, etc
Lovely work of guide man reccommended for my holidays
Great video but I dont really get the Steven universe bit
Early SU was a mix of world building towards Steven's two halves. the gem half started taking off and getting most of the attention later, but I dont think it's fair to say alot of that early stuff is "filler". That's like saying Volume's 1-3 of RWBY is filler because the shift to a larger adventures starts after.
wouldnt SU better fit the video as another example of a prejudice society. The resolution to that isn't one many would say was handled well, but the gems straight up see humans as lower lifeforms and we see different degree's of it in different characters
This isn't to say you needed this in the video, I just dont know if that was the best usage of SU towards the subject.
You should check out 86! I'm always in doubt if the racism portrayed there is too exaggerated or not
This could also work for Worlds that are heavily populated with A Main Group and an Out of place character
For my HyperDimension Neptunia Fanfiction
The concept of a CPU (a Deity called Console Patron) having a Male body or such is abnormal because they're usually 100 % female
And there is an Unfortunate amount of Male Villains who are terrible in the world of Gamindustri
My OC is supposed to be a character who is a Masculine character who doesn't care about Gender but is reffered to as not being able to control their desires
Like most of the male characters referenced in the series
HyperDimension Neptunia has a lot of plot points where A lot of men are shown to be nothing but Perverts
CFW Trick is a literal p*do
The Brothers, Big Brother and Younger Brother are shown trying to sneak into Vert's room
Anonydeath is shown to be a Voyeur (He even boasts about it)
and is a Hacker
(He is shown to be Queer but that's not a bad thing)
My character is able to not be a creep cause they don't actually care about that kind of stuff
Ever After High has some prejudice. The Royals dislike the Rebels who want to break free from their destiny. For an example, Raven Queen is the daughter of the Evil Queen and doesn't want to follow in her footsteps, while Snow White's daughter is treated like a celebrity and Headmaster Grimm is trying to force her to become evil so that Snow White's daughter can have her happily ever after. A EAH fanfic I'm planning on writing, the protagonist is the son of the Evil Dragon from Saint George and the Dragon. He is half human and becomes a Rebel because he doesn't want to die in his story. Meanwhile having to deal with his half-sister who is destined to become the next Saint George and their mother who hates him because he is her illegitimate son that she had with the Evil Dragon.
Cool video with a lot of varied examples! Nice!
Not related to the actual point of it but.. when i watched this i THOUGHT i heard a homestuck song in the background at some point but wasnt sure. then i switched to watching the "how to write a bigot" video and immediatelly got hit with Ace Of Trump from Midnight Crew Drawing Dead
homestuck fans lurk everywhere
18:37 “to a different PlayStation with a different officer” lol
12:00 Counterpoint: there are several Arab politicians in Israel and discrimination is still deeply, deeply entrenched into Israeli society
You talked about generational differences where prejudice has reduced over the decades, but what about a scenerio hwere prejudice has increased in certain ways and the generational difference comes when the older relative reminisces upon the past when people were less racist or something along that line?
The past wasn't less racist though
A lot of folks who speak out don't like to acknowledge that can be a thing. As a person who went through high school and some collage around the turn of the millennium, I can absolutely say it has been. It's the same old rhetoric being thrown out with some of the descriptors changed, to the point published academics have failed to spot 'target changed' versions of passages from 'My Struggle' (to avoid getting my comment hidden.) with only that single word changed. I don't really have to wonder how it got this way, as others have said 'racism/sexism/etc has been on life support for decades' at this point.
There was a time where being colorblind was a thing in practice, where no one cared what sex you found attractive beyond the basic knowledge thereof, when religion was something you didn't bother about unless someone asked. All because of the idea of 'why make a big deal out of it?' being prevalent. Watching the push back on how absurd things have become, where all those things and even basic mental health (not being delusional about what your genetics mean for your body) have become massive points of contention? That's helped me hold to faith in humanity's potential for Good. Because for all the misandry and similar nonsense being pushed in media people don't agree and aren't willing to just stand by in the face of such Evil.
Something worth remembering is that anything not backed by every day experience has to be pushed. Bigotry, patriotism, adherence to law, religious faith, spoken language, everything. If your experiences support something? No push is needed to buy into it, and different experiences are required before you have reason to question it. But to keep a view/idea/belief going without that experience requires constant repetition, or reality undermines it, eventually washing it away.
It's easy for me to picture a veteran of the Belkin war grumbling to their kids or grandkids about how Elves are just people. To throw out a random fictional example of what I mean.
@@Sorain1 Bro is yapping
@@Sorain1 You DON'T remember the past as well as you think, racial discrimination was more implicit because people thought bigotry was over because something something civil rights. Also imagine comparing angry minorities to Hitler
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 You obviously have been living under a rock if you don't think some of the Woke Folk sound EXACTLY like the Angry Austrian Mustache Man. For a solid decade I've been copying people's social media posts and sometimes whole "news" articles, and I replace the word "white" with "black", "men" with "women", etc, just to send it back to the original poster to expose to themselves how fucking bigoted they are. If I can replace the subject of someone's rant with the word "jew" and it sounds like Adolf wrote it, they're a racist/sexist/other-ist too, just as bad as him, just with a different target. It's honestly amazing how so many people can sound like the person that they point to as an example of the worst mankind has to offer without even realizing it. It needs to be pointed out. Being racist towards "the majority" isn't any less evil than doing it to a minority. If it is wrong for others to do it to you, it is wrong for you to do it to others. Enforcing a double standard in the opposite direction to what it was before is not justice, removing it entirely is.
TL;DR don't become Black/Female/Gay/Trans Hitler. The tiny mustache won't look any better on you than it did on him.
This video is amazing. I may not agree with everything but damn. Real world examples, Fictional examples, Fictional bad examples,Anecdotal examples, Short for but informative for such a complex topic, Focusing on the subject of writing and not preaching why thing we all think is bad is bad.
Shitting on rwby, it has it all 👌
I know what rando says doesn't mean much but I really appreciate how you handled this topic.
Bom... Isso foi definitivamente um dos títulos já feitos...
re: consistency, sometimes even in very prejudiced societies, there can be circumstantial exceptions even among the very powerful, as long as they are explained. For a real life example, 1600s Britain was, like most societies back then, oppressive towards women and generally only expected men to take leadership roles, however queen Elizabeth still rose to the throne, and the society still functioned consistently despite this apparent contradiction.
11:55 It's possible for a member of an oppressed class to end up in a position of power in their society... Though there's usually some reason. Something unique about them or the luck of their circumstance that let them overcome the bigotry in ways someone like them normally couldn't.
Holy shit someone else remembers Hairspray. I swear i was one of the few who even remembers it.
Perhaps in Helluva boss, the class thing is a somewhat crumbling one? Like... certain racial targeted laws that keeps minorities down are gone, except for subtle ones... ones that allowed for moxxie's dad to get money.
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Marrow was only made an ace op as a publicity stunt. The military trying to show that "hey look we aren't really prejudiced". He brings this up and you can see that even his team aren't the best with the way they are treating him, since they often make jokes at his expense.
Neon is unknown since we never see her background but I think it's notable that we never see any other faunus in the military or the academy in atlus.
In fact the majority of all faunus in the atlus volumes live in mantle. Also when it comes to neon participating in the festival, remember that teams are selected based on ability and we never see the rest of her team besides flynt. I'd wager the team is a majority human. If her team managed to beat the others then why wouldn't atlus send them? Plus it's more good publicity for atlus" look we have a faunus aren't we so progressive ". All the whole mantle continues to crumble beneath atlus and no faunus are members of the noble class. We even see in the justice league x rwby move that Bruce is treated like a criminal the moment it's revealed he's a faunus.
I think the bigger issue is Atlas's racism wasn't shown enough and the show itself flip-flops between whether Atlas is an irredeemable fascist shithole or a democracy falling apart. I'd prefer the former, we have Vale for the latter
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 but would showing the racism he ped the story at all? According to this video, it wouldn't have since the story isn't about how terrible the nobles are, especially when we know that already. And we get some of that even in volume 8 with May's story she tells the team about her family. And the sheer fact that atlas exists while mantle suffers kinda speaks for itself. Do we really need a scene of some random noble class harassing a faunus? With everything else going on during their time in atlas ( especially in volume 8) it would be a waste of time needed for other plot points.
It's not like atlas is shown in a good light during its time. And as far as the main characters are concerned, they don't care if some.of the people of atlas are bad people because they are still in danger and they aren't going to.just let them die.
@@Vinylmelody1517 The videomaker mentioned you can have racism be more casual and not necessarily a huge part of the story, that moreso works when your society is thoroughly bigoted. But RWBY was already about changing society and writing wrongs. We definitely could've gotten more evil from the rich though, One Piece is a good example.
But you seem to be forgetting a certain main character that was a racist noble...ever heard of Weiss? Would've been the perfect view into Atlesian society and all its bigotry and elitism, but they botched her story so heavily. And then we could see how WORSE Atlas was even compared to her. The show did world-building so poorly
Jsut found another example in the rwby arrowfell game. Part of the main plan of the villains of that game was to kidnap faunus and extract negative emotions from them to create grimm lures.
@@Vinylmelody1517 Well besides the weird "we're gonna make the union leader bad right after we got called out for mistreating workers" thing, it's also a side project. Seemingly they don't want to ever address this in the main show
I feel like Neon and Marrow were allowed in their respected places in Atlas might have been specifically because Ironwood wanted to change Atlas (I'm guessing after Ilia's parents died and she was shunned). But it is never brought up, and Monty's dead so we can't ask him what he truly wanted for RWBY. So this is my train of wreck- I mean thought.
Also, for Helluva Boss, Crimson being mafia makes sense cos he's in the Greed Ring and probably doesn't have the same prejudices as the other rings as long as you're greedy and smart. And with Bee and Vortex, I feel like their relationship isn't open to everyone in Hell (as Loona and Blitz were surprised about a ruler being with a hellhound). Is it flumbly? Yea, if you look deeper in it. Especially when it's never addressed (RWBY and Helluva Boss, I love you both but oh my god I'm talkin bout you). Want a good one? Fullmetal Alchemist (and Brotherhood). It's also anti militant.
On scenes having purpose, imo there's a huge value to scenes that, even if they don't fit any of the other criteria, set an emotional mood or act as a breather from a fast paced section. yeah it's better if they can serve more than one purpose, but pacing and emotional tone checks are important.
Great video really informative
I'm working on a fantasy type story where the king (who is now 'dead') hated the mythical creatures his father made aliances with because they had magic and stuff and he was a basic human. So when he became king he exhiled them from his kingdom but kept some magic users becuase he saw them more usefull then the rest ( werewolves, elves etc) he even married and had a son with a magic user even though he still hated them. Eventually he learned how to use his own 'magic', that being dark magic since pretty much anyone could learn that. And he had pretty much controll over everything so a war broke out becuase everyone was afraid of him and a lot of people uncluding the king had died, but even after his death everyone now hates each other and most magic users get to live in luxurie
That's pretty much what it is without making it any longer, I just want to know if this is fine.
Thank you for this. My biggest issue with most modern movies trying to have a subject about prejudice is they NEVER explain the prejudice. Its just a boring finger wagging "racism is bad mmkay?" lecture with no substance. Avatar is my biggest offender here, they never explain the human's prejudice towards the Navi. They're just too preoccupied with a environmental message and boringly obvious parallel with Native Americans to really explain anything. If there was a backstory that a bunch of Navi horrifically tortured and killed a bunch of humans after a battle or something and the humans use that as a justification for genocide, then that would be way more interesting.
Write what you know comes in handy for this one
Another good example if you can find it is " The irregular at magic high". (Use subtitles) More an example of caste prejudice than anything else. A military magic school that segregates based on magical capacity between 2 tiers of students. Those who are less gifted have no emblems and are called weeds despite the school policy and those who are more capable with emblems are called blooms. An aspect that is still notably caste restricted is the student council only permiting the blooms to be voted in. The show follows a "weed" that by having delved in to far greater magics in magnitude is less capable in the lower tier practical magis or complex magics (human stratigic weapon) his group mostly weeds are appropriately placed and show how practical skills can bridge the void betweed capacity levels. While some of the blooms that work with him show the value of the more advanced magics.
Most of that was all first episode stuff so establishing details rather than spoilers.
That HGS clip gave me flashbacks
11:57 I feel like a major exception here would be figureheads, puppets, and collaborators. When the Japanese took over Manchuria, the puppet emperor they installed wasn't Japanese. It was a child emperor named Henry Pu-Yi. They chose him because a child emperor makes for a great figurehead but often lacks actual power and agency.
OMAM is a great source to look at. It's set in great depression california, an extremely racist place and time, but because it was so ingrained in everyone at the time it comes off as mostly just an afterthought for everyone in it as the.
Frankly while I have seen other videos who did a deep dive on RWBY's racism problem a bit better albeit somewhat convoluted but yours at least straightforward, a little long-winded but it was straight to the point and easy to understand on the how to.
6:34 one of the biggest issues with the Russo-Ukraine thing is Ukraine is often treated as a people that doesn't actually exist by Russians. ie Russians will say Ukrainians are just Russians with a different dialect, that they have no unique history of culture of any kind whatsoever that is unique to them that isn't also Russian. That the very concept of Ukraine as a "Nation" is a modern concept, even though Ukraine is older than "Russia" as Russia didn't become Russia until after the concept of Ukraine before the Russian Empire ever formed.
What we think of as "Russia" is the remnants of an old Empire and much of what is Russia isn't Russia (Moskovia). This included many former Soviet Republics or regions which successfully broke from the Russian Empire, and Later Soviet Union, which includes Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Lithuania, Poland, among so many others. They were NEVER Russian or in other words never Moskovian. Basically the very concept of "Russia" is Nationalism, as Nationalism soul goal is to "Create" identities not uphold them. The Russian Identity is that, a Created Identity. This is why so many people outside of Moskovia Russia despite the ruling elite in Moscow and Leningrad, as most of Russia isn't like Moskovia and a lot of parts don't even speak the language. Basically Russia isn't an identity per-say but an idea of the State of Russia, not the People. So when we think of Russians we think of Moskovians. But when we see Russia, we see a country that is more than just Moskovians, so calling Russian an ethnic group is weird. Sadly many Russian Nationalist do this very thing, instead of saying they're Moskovian, or Cossack or Ukrainian, they blank the Term Russia for all of it which allows them to dismiss that the others even exist.
Basically Russian Nationalism encourages "Dismissing" the very idea that other groups exist in Russia that everything is relatively speaking Moskovian just they use the word Russian instead, or that groups outside of Russia that were "Former" parts of the Empire exist as distinct cultures and are just variations of "Russian" slavic brothers which should return to the "Homeland." Sounds very well similar to a guy with a small mustache.
Another issue is how Ukrainians are seen as Nazis by many Russians, or at least by the Kremlin.
The prejudice and racism in Russia is pretty different from your western stuff though. People say "I'm renting to slavs only" because they don't want their apartment to be ruined, and this happens incredibly often, I cannot stress enough how common it is. I only talk to like 6 people total in my life and I had it happened to a friend: they were renting their apt through an agency, and they put some sort of small family of some eastern people there so everything seemed fine. Low and behold, they come to check on their apt and over 15 people are living there, there's garbage everywhere and most of the furniture is ruined, the apt is divided by some kind of cloth things, it's a disaster. When I was renting out my apt, the neighbors asked me not to rent it out to a specific nationality because the exact same thing happened with the upper floor neighbors - and they were making open fire shashlik on the balcony. In general most Russians aren't *really* racist with a country as big and diverse as that, but if you're a foreigner and you need to rent - just have a slav vouch for you and most people who say "slavs only" will have no problem whatsoever renting to you, it's pretty funny.
Не ожидал увидеть тут Русского человека
@@Borow31 Мне показалось автор русская? Или нет, она так много болтала, что я так и не поняла откуда она.
@@anhelaanhela4996 вполне возможно, речь у неё довольно интересная и как такого акцента я особо не расслышал, но вполне возможно
and I realized something else, I should probably put filler in my story, well I say filler but it's really just to build tension
The thumbnail made me keel over in laughter as I read it out of context
An underrated movie that does this well in my opinion in Monster High's Haunted. The headmaster at an all ghost school needs ghosts in their school for a grand conspiracy that i won't go into here. So she calls non ghosts "solids" and say they want to harm all ghosts. The students are surrounded by such a culture that no one questions it. And because of some magic related to the conspiracy, most can't actually leave the school building for months
AoT Beach episodes are the best beach episodes, narratively. Lots of fun 😁👍
I’m Albanian thing is people don’t talk about harms of stereotypes I think the artist through subtle telling like background art,news paper boomer comics, ect showing the prestigious or
how people talk in general towards a character on information the other don’t like not like getting called a slur because most don’t do that but reaction tone of voice and facial reactions like
The guy who’s talking to blank is warming towards a main character’s friend he’s a religion that’s certain area can cause confrontations when the info of the characters religion comes up into the conversation the warming voice and facial features and stance turn more hostile till the flags of “get out of my face” becomes clear or a audited the character can notice because it’s not their first time this happened and show that group could barely stand that religion you can do a message of “why they hate” and it can be “we don’t know” because the actual reason is lost (like most of EU sometimes)
Also the Balkan thing is true to a sense but the major thing that hits are Albanians and Romanians and also another ethic group Romani no they’re not Romanian gramps
Note
Albanian = organ harvesters
Romanians = thieves
Romani = Romanian super thieves
It makes sense for fanus leaders in other places besides wices hq
While this mostly is a great video, I think there's a major issue with how you bring up class, mainly with Helluva Boss (as I haven't seen RWBY). In real life, minorities are able to "make it in life" while still being in a prejudiced/racist society. HB is clearly more modern day, but even during the VERY RACIST 1870s, there were many elite class black people, as other commenters have mentioned. Saying a society is inconstant because of successful minorities feels a little absurd.
There are many mobs are run by minorities, and usually is a symptom of a prejudiced society. I'd argue bringing up Crimson being a Mob Boss doesn't work because Mob's are usually separate and against the regular government (Altho they tend to shake hands due to government corruption). Mobs are pretty famously "criminal" organizations, so I feel using that isn't really a great example.
And other people have brought up that Tex dating Beelzebub is explainable by Bee being the sin of Gluttony, and that dating a minority is indulgent, but a better explanation is that Bee herself is, well, a hellhound. As well that the Gluttony ring seems to be the main home of Hell Hounds.
I'd argue a better example of HB handling prejudice poorly is mainly that they TELL a lot about class racism, but very rarely, if ever, SHOW it. While we get a bit of it with Stolas's demeaning attitude towards Blitzø, and how he reacts to it, and a hint to it with the Dog Pounds, but that's about it. I think (and really hope) they’re building up to something with Striker and his resentment with upper classes, but i’ll admit they’re REALLY taking their time. Plus the fact it takes place in hell itself is not helping.
I think the prejudice system in HB is more based on class and social stigma, rather than outright hostility against different races, with exceptions like Striker. With situations like Stolas and Blitzø, the stigma comes more from the *mixing* of races/classes rather than between the races/classes themselves, while not being extreme enough to where high-class lower-class species (and typing that phrase out made it much more clear where the confusion and problems come from) isn’t a MASSIVE deal. That's why B and Tex aren’t a big deal, (it's also probably helped by Tex working for Virosika, one of the biggest pop stars in hell).
Once again, a great video covering the subject, and i’ve definitely learned a lot from both this and your previous vid. But the examples you bring up for HB feel flawed, especially when better examples exist, and I just really take issue with acting like minorities in prejudiced societies can’t rise up the ranks and make a good living.
Well said
I'm waiting for "just do what warhammers doing"
Just have them build around war, focus generally on self preservation or even supremecy as the basis for major conflict. I mean have you seen the amount of stories they have published? All of them have their own sides and perspectives that are unique and often i put here that clash against other factions goals.
I felt the Handmaid's tale, at least the TV series, started off strong but went downhill after that. It wasn't just a society where women were oppressed because of some belief they were inferior, it was a society which was terrified of its own extinction due a "children of men" esque fertility crisis, and therefore decided stripping women of their rights was nessecary to prevent it, via a bunch of religious extremists swaying a scared population in a coup d'etat. The opresssion of women was not the only focus of the society, and it was clear the system gave very strict and rigid roles for both sexes and all social classes. Men who had a handmaid couldn't just do what they wanted with them, and some acts like violence and (unsanctioned) rape were very harshly punished, sometimes with execution. This all felt like really good worldbuilding for a prejudiced society. But later series sermed to focus more on shocking the audience with violence and discrimination against women, without building on the society. It lost the "why" for the sake of sensationalism.
7:04 "Freeloaders or taking their jobs" ...Damn, now that I think about it, sometimes people really think these stereotypes can exist at the same time. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
0:31 missed opportunity for the editor to throw i a Joker image for the meme.
There's a good example of example in the Frieren anime. It basically make the Demon race as pure evil that need to be purge.
I loved how in Maze Runner, Immunes are called "Munnies" by street people
Another tip: Watch Beastars. Watch the Fishman Island arc of One Piece.
Neat a oldschool fantasy course writing
I just wrote my first novel for NaNoWriMo. It was fun.
My main character is a human orphan girl who loves goblins. They're so simple and innocent. In the two centuries since the humans sailed across the ocean and found the goblin continents they have tried to teach the goblins the advantages of civilizations, but the goblins still live little better than animals.
Then she meets a goblin who can read and write, but begs her to keep it secret. A goblin who can read won't be trusted. They might be too smart.
Under the childlike innocence is a simmering tension from a hundred years of being held down after the conquest. The Main Character is drawn deeper until by the second act she's integrating into the local goblin community. In the mid-point her goal shifts from finding a permanent home to helping the goblins be recognized as a valid part of the kingdom.
And the final conflict is her need to prevent the goblin uprising to save both the kingdom and the goblins.
It seems to be an inherently racist society, but I didn't have any trouble keeping it consistent. I just thought what the rules for barakumin were and developed the story from there.
The Cat Beat genre would be an institutional story. In the first rewrite I'll have to focus on that aspect more and establish the rules for goblins earlier. I really didn't understand what genre it fit as I was writing it.
I find it almost a poetic video in the fact that as a woman writer all the examples were based on female experience and example. The bias is lived experience and is a good kind of example of a person having thoughts or ideas pop up in their actions based off of their experience. Bias exists in everything and it is not wrong, in my mind it is ok to be biased because of learned experience and such. You should not have to try and backpedal your thought based on retroactive or realization it could just be an admittance as so many people desire an confession in stead of the retrospective equivalent of don’t worry I have a black friend. I guess all I am saying is it would have been cool to say that this video is an example or bring in some comedy to it in stead of putting yourself down or doing some mental coverups.
Anyways great video I enjoyed the examples of series that fail like hallelujah boss with their forgetfulnesses of their own almighty cast system. I know this may be a big ask but I would appreciate written reference for example of proper like in stead of just referencing malcome in Harry Potter but quote and highlight some lines as specific example.
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I feel like terry pratchetts "dwarves vs trolls" should be discussed as an example.
Every single time I hear the word consistent one piece runs through my brain
Can you talk about why people with mutant-like powers are always considered a fictional race and the narrative treating people who are afraid of mutants is always considered irrationally bigot when even though just one mutant can destroy a small town?
the anime that handled a prejudiced society perfectly is Fullmetal Alchemist with the ishval war, it is consistent, well written and justified in the mind of some characters
Finally, someone who doesn't circlejerk RWBY!
Consider the 6.4 million viewed video "RWBY is disappointing, and here's why." I think you'll enjoy it
as a rwby fan, i will say that yeah; they did drop the ball on the faunus stuff! but, they literally never joked about faunus dying in tunnels?? 😂😂 they mentioned it back in volume 2’s finale, sure, but it was never joked about, just dismissed because the writers had no idea what they were doing. also like others have commented, people who are discriminated against can still reach high positions of power.
i also think your early point about filler was unnecessary because when i was the target audience for su, i loved the “filler” episodes! and i think that if those episodes hadn’t existed, the show would’ve suffered from it.
still a good video and i understand the point youre describing, thank you for posting! 🎉
I'm writing a transformers fanfiction with a heavy emphasis on the prejudice against a certain group, 'splitsparks' (it's really hard to explain to non-transformers fans, but in a nutshell, a spark is like a soul/heart of a transformer, their life energy basically. Splitsparks are most common two (but there can be more) bots born from the same sparks, so twins/triplets/etc). And like you said, writing the prejudice is what can be considered the easy part. It's here, it's here to stay. But the *reason* behind it is possibly the most important thing, one which I had some troubles creating to fit within the universe, but ultimately succeeded, making it a remnant of a long since passed colonization period by a different race, which was quite literally racist to the whole species as a whole lmao, but specifically splitsparks due to it being splitspark triplets who organized the defenses against their first assult. It was not born out of nowhere, it was born out of fear against them, a real reason which prejudice can be created in the real world, and which consisted through the entirety of their long, long stay on the planet. Along this and thanks to them destroying almost all records of the time before them, proceeded to stay even after they left.