I really wanted to see and understand how valuable her E1 is to the team.... because E0 is just a side grade of HMC and I'd just rather skip... it's either 0 copy or 2 copies for me, no "1"copy" talk...
Or the e2, that is if they increase the tenacity it takes out to around 30 instead of 20, In addition to buffing the super break multiplier, which is lower than the Hmc
@@iSUMMONYT this whole kit should have been given to Sunday, Fugue should have been the action advance unit. Why?! because Superbreak belongs to penacony and the strongest Summoner is Jing Yuan.. how could would that have been if we had broken neck Tingyun and the real Tingyun + Jing Yuan and HuoHuo, all from the Xianzhou Alliance and for Superbreak we had a full penacony Team that works well, Firefly, Sunday, HMC, Gallagher. I am pissed but i will still try to get them...
Move current E1 to base, reduce cost of her ult, add in a trace that gives 10 energy for enhanced basic, EHR>BE conversion trace, have her new E1 implant the weakness of her skill target for 2 turns when she ults, etc. Functionally she seems really lackluster atm.
integrate it on ult as a debuff something like 100% base chance to apply that ennemies take 150% base break efficiency for 2 turns with enouth speed and the delays she gives you could get a 100% uptime i think
Undercooked. Somebody wasn't sure how to compile her kit, have it replace HMC, and sell Eidolons at the same time. She feels like a 1.x generation character atm
She seems all over the place rn. Well it's V1 so kinda expected. Her skill seems fine. Biff ally BE and gives enhance basic attacks that gives def shred but I hate the fact that its buffing an ally not debuffing enemy... SHES A NIHILITY, why is she giving buffs??? But Her ult does... nothing? While having 150 energy cost... I think they're having trouble balancing her because her talent is just so good, especially for e2 firefly havers so they probably feel the need to nerf her other parts. Imo they should have made it so her ult applys the exo toughness. Her talent give the team BE buff, and her skill just self's buffs and turn her into a sub dps. I hate her buffing a teammate. SHES A NIHILITY not a harmony. Like bruh. Personally that e1 can stay there, Ruamei already give 50percent break efficiency and having 2 character do that is too broken imo. We're gonna having firefly or boothill just needing 2 skill to break even the most tough bosses so sir I don't want that. This solves the issue of her ult doing nothing, and also not making too strong since now you need to apply the exotoughness instead of it being applied automatically. This also fixes my personal hate on her buffing her allies...
@@wallnut7624 bro hates the "pseudo-harmony" part of fugue's kit but doesnt complain anything about huo huo (energy + atk buff), gall/lingsha (break dmg taken by enemy), fu xuan (increase crit rate), jade/march (giving buff to one ally)
@@clive... Well they're sustains. If they only provide healing they're gonna be bad so I'm fine with them giving team buffs but for nihility characters designed for debuffing enemy... why on earth do they need to buff ally they can just buff better. Anyways this is just a personal hate, it's probably fine but I just hate it.
5:50 Just one correction. The text of this ability is as follows: "Increases this unit's Break Effect by *30.0%.* After using Skill for the first time, immediately recovers *1.0* Skill Point(s)." In other words, the increase in BE is independent of using the Skill. You already have the BE increase before you even use the Skill, they are two separate effects.
I am so glad that you are making this video because all the videos I've been seeing with her on sustainless break teams I would deadass think to myself am I insane or would having lingsha here instead ACTUALLY be better
@@zap7737 Oh no you misunderstand, I know that fugue practically serves as an upgrade to HMC, I say it in a sense of, FF’s best current team is herself/hmc/rm/lingsha, and many people showcasing her have been opting to go sustainless as opposed to swapping out hmc, and in the showcases I’ve seen of that specific team comp I’ve always found myself thinking “idk if i’m crazy, but it really does feel like if lingsha was just there instead of her, this would actually be better”. Maybe it’s just them not being too good at piloting, but I’m glad more people have been agreeing that she should definitely get some improvements
Because theyre trying to do 0 cycle run, and most of the time to 0 cycle you run sustainless team (at least, thats the first to come in mind anyway). Im sure that eventually there will be a run with lingsha
Her Burst cost being so high is definitely to compensate for her E2. They could keep it that way, honestly, but at least give her base burst some extra umph by either implanting weakness or doing more toughness damage.
i respect the amount of effort you put into these vids, and giving actual numbers and spreadsheets. i don't wanna fill my recommended vids with hsr but i gotta give you a sub
@@sebastienfontaine2418 her weakness break efficiency is only for 1 ally, not teamwide like Ruan Mei's. And like other people said, she doesn't have a 10% Spd boost.
I have some doubts for Fugue especially in a Firefly+Lingsha Team. Her current biggest selling Point is her Exo Toughness and the big dmg Increase mainly comes from Exo Toughness Break. The Mainproblem with Fugue replacing HMC is that you can really easy break the Exo Toughness with a differend Character since you have 3 Fire Character + maybe a Bunny that acts on his own and cant really be controlled. If you dont Break Exo Toughness with Firefly her whole selling Point is gone since HMC Provides way better Buffs for the Entire Team. So far it seems the Go to will be Sustainless with HMC,RM and Fugue.....which makes Lingsha already complete useless in the Team.
Bruh, we've meet again lol, but i think i already told you that fugue gives 30% teamwide BE just like HMC's ult, while giving another 40% with her skill on top of that? Even considering everything that hmc bring after that, the 18% def shred would increase lingsha's damage way more than another break effect stats Edit: if you see the leak, lingsha's team actually able to 0cycle while the one with sustainless team isn't simply because FF wasn't able to break every enemy on time without lingsha's help, maybe e1 fugue will fix that tho
@@unendingvoid yep, but what i also said was true, you won't gain that much of a damage from another 30% BE instead of 18% def shred if you compare fugue to hmc. The superbreak is also true, but sustainless team replace hmc with lingsha, and her personal super break damage is so high if you constantly using her skill (e2 firefly) that i don't think it would be as much as a downgrade compared to sustainless. Just like what i said on my edit, it's the team that able to 0 cycle due to lingsha helping ff break faster
@@zard2341 did you even read TBs Skills? First Ultimate is 33% BE cause its lvl 12 due to his E5. Second is his E4: "While the Trailblazer is on the field, increases the Break Effect of all teammates (excluding the Trailblazer), by an amount equal to 15% of the Trailblazer's Break Effect." My HMC has 250 BE (using MOP S5) so thats Additional 37,5% BE for the Entire Team. Fugue gives 15% Teamwide once an enemy is Broken. Stackable 2 Times. So 30% in Total. Additional she gives 40% BE with her Skill ONLY on the DPS. So in my Case HMC gives 70,5% BE to the Team While fugue gives 30% to the Team and 70% to the DPS shes using her Skill.
No weakness efficiancy and no weakness implant for a break support is just something else. She seems more like the 4 star Tingyun and Firefly is so boosted...she does not need her.
Firefly is looking to be the Universal toughness Breaker for the Break team, partnered with another Main Break DPS after all the enemies are Weakness Broken to deal the final blow. And hoping the Enemies are delayed long enough without a Sustain unit.
Fugue being more effective for Rappa and Boothill makes the playing field for BE dps pretty even if not a bit skewed toward Rappa. So FF is literally the one that is being buffed the least out of the three.
I wish she wasn't superbreak, or if she was she was at least a different element. My firefly team is already plently strong. Still waiting for a good dot sustain....
Fire has the strongest break multiplier and also benefits from Kalpagani which is one of the most broken relics on the right setup. Also, almost all current enemie lineups have fire weakness. Being fire is a good.
I think that she's already good, but need a bit more. Atm she needs a bit of EHR to apply her Def down but that all that it does, the same it's for the Break% it's just to say that she does some SB dmg, seems a bit thrown in her kit. I would like something like make her EHR scales to Break% (like FF Atk scales to Break%) or she gives more Break% to the team based on her own Break% or EHR. And I would like for her Ult to be rlly strong, like her ult makes the enemies lose more Toughness for 2 some turns or something like that.
@@celsosousamendonca4738go to the l3aked gameplay comments and you’ll see the top ones commenting on how his kit needs to be better, especially if compared to Robin. People do this to every character on beta nowadays, and they’re always wrong.
@@tieAcherry101Jiaoqiu bad, Feixiao bad, Robin bad, Lingsha bad. I swear it happens EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I'm almost convinced these people are the reason why powercreep is so steep in this game. They cry literally every time a character isn't completely broken
@@mrartezi2667i think the main issue is the useless e4, the absolute hell of a scam e2, his ult recovering huohuos for 1 person so its like nothing and e1 is 20 percent all res for 1 ally 1 turn which robins is 24 for everyone for her burst duration which is forever.
Her ultimate is an enigma to me, I genuinely don't get it. It seems like such a throwaway or last minute shove into her kit, it does basically nothing. They could reduce the ult cost by a lot and I'd still think its pretty garbage, I hope it gets some extra effect, either a buff or debuff of some kind, in V3+
yep exactly, i hope it’s a placeholder for now until they know what to actually do with it. i hope they add a debuff to it since she *is* a nihility character
Honestly her Enhanced Basic Attack should have 20/10/10 Toughness DMG, even Gallagher's EBA has 30 Toughness DMG and he is only a 4 star, totally agree her lack of a HMC type of Superbreak DMG buff is disappointing.... I still think you should build her as fast as possible tho, her skills cycle in +2 skill points (+3 and -1), and the skill is blocked until it runs out so you need her speed to get it back up after the 3rd turn. Anyway def a great character, hope Hoyo buffs her up a bit in the next beta tests.
I think they should increase her base superbreak multipliers or giving her a trace similar to HMC's. Also give her something for her ult, either lower the cost or give her a debuff of some kind I wish they gave her break efficiency at E0 but I know that's not going to happen
Yo thanks for the video! You are my dedicated Honkai star rail content creator I go for my kit breakdowns and analysis everytime. Thanks again. Keep up the good work
You do alot of work for us the views, with alot of time. Just want to say thank you for all your hard work. I just started watching your videos and will continue too. Nice work and keep going.
Since her ult doesn't do much it would be an insane buff if they let it detonate DoT like kafkas skill(maybe for partial damage), which would make her a lot more universal and a better support for Boothill
Tingyun's talent makes her more synergistic with Rappa because it's another charge and more energy for Rappa due to exo toughness bar mechanics. Rappa is definitely eating good with Fugue.
Resistance still plays a huge role in damage. Weakness implant only allows her to break the enemy bar. They'd be doing like 3/4 or half the damage without res pen. Firefly is extremely relevant in the past year because everything has had fire weakness. If another element is being shilled and was resistant to fire, people would be thinking she fell off. It's how mihoyo tricks people into rolling the new units, by tailoring content around them. It's hard to test it in non-tailored content since the content is constantly rotating, so you can't access old ones, or is just too easy to matter, like relic farming/story.
E6 hmc getting extra energy buffs while fugue doesn't in her base kit is kinda diabolical- when i first saw the 150 ult cost, I thought she was gonna at least have some extra ERR in her sig but nah... lots of potential with the colorless breaking though so hope it gets buffed soon
1. Ult: Put the 50% weakness break effect from her E1 on her ult as a debuff 2. E1: Give her +5 energy regen whenever a enemy gets broke. (first part of E2) 3. E2: Remove ER part, If the Ally with [Foxian Prayer] breaks an enemy they immediately get action advanced by 100%. This would make the ult worth 150 energy + make the E1, E2 good QoLs for people that want her to be great.
Personally, I find it hard to accurately evaluate fugue's performance as a replacement to hmc despite what everybody is saying. There's a few problems I have when comparing fugue to hmc. 1. Hmc is a harmony hence they can abuse ddd 2. Hmc shares a portion of their break effect + watchmaker set which effectively enables 160+ speed sustain(lingsha/gallagher) to reach 250% break effect to get their full 4pc buff. 3. Enemy toughness. Most calculation assume that the enemy is already broken. Practically speaking, their performances varies depending on enemy weakness.
she is kinda redundant probably in a firefly team not because she is bad but because any unit you replace with her is on her same level and any combination of her hmc ruanmei or lingsha plus ff will 0 cycle easily at c0 as of right now but yall forgeting physical break there she will shine that extra exo toughness breack damage going to go wild with boothill, she will also be very nice for xueyi enjoyers and she opens up running 2 break teams
I definitely can't wait for your more detailed video on Fugue. Currently struggling to decide whether to pull for Firefly E2 or just pulling for Fugue.
I'm going for her bc she's girlypop and i need closure from the phantylia thing. I think they did really good with her story so I'm sold. I'll just get Rappa and Lingsha on their reruns.
Not directly but if you reach 100% def Multiplier with either of the 2 or a combination of the 2, adding more wouldnt make a diff cause its capped at 100%
I am listening to her kit details and this is still very hard to imagine what she will do in actual battle. Will be waiting for the explanation for different characters vdeo! Same was with Ruan Mei - just some bit of buff here, and just a bit of turn delay. But in practice this is a huge difference with and without Ruan Mei
In my opinion, Fuge’s skill and ultimate need substantial improvements to be relevant enough along with the Recommendations for ultimate rework: Increase energy for Fugue’s ultimate from 150 to 210. Decrease the damage that Fugue’s ultimate does at level 10 from 200% attack damage to 150% attack damage. Increase the toughness reducing damage of this attack from 20 to 40 toughness damage to all enemies (100% buff in toughness damage). Add an effect where she has a 100% base chance of inflicting the enemies with a debuff, Lupine embers, which increases the break damage taken by all enemies by 50% for 2 turns (50% vulnerability for break damage and super break damage). Fugue’s ultimate will still ignore all weaknesses. Recommendations for Fuge’s skill: Increase the break effect bonus she gives to an ally from 40% to 50% at level 10. Allows the target ally to have 50% more weakness break efficiency (derived from her original E1). Increase the defense debuff she grants to enemies to 30% from 18%. Recommendations for Fuge’s enhanced basic attack: Fugue’s enhanced basic attack can no longer gain skill points. Fuge’s enhanced basic attack grants 30 energy instead of 20 (to compensate for higher energy ultimate). Fuge’s enhanced basic attack toughness reducing damage increased to 20 toughness damage to the main unit and 10 toughness damage to adjacent units (from 10 toughness damage to the main unit and 5 toughness damage to adjacent units). Recommendations for Fuge’s talent: Decrease the super break damage taken by enemies from 100% to 50% at level 10. Add an effect that states that whenever an enemy’s weakness is broken, Fugue gains 5.0 energy and 1 skill point. Exo toughness functions the exact same.
When you do the full review, could you also do calculations for Acheron? Acheron is obviously not a break DPS, but Fugue is Nihility, which presents the interesting idea (particularly for E0 or E1 Acherons) of using Fugue to get super break with Acheron's ult. Not sure it's worth swapping out Pela for Fugue, but it seems like an interesting idea.
@@iSUMMONYT Does this mean S1 Acheron would generate 3 stacks per skill? Would you actually want hyperspeed Acheron to be able to ult all the time? What if we also put Resolution on Fugue so we can get even more stacks?
@@cmdrenfuego no, only 2. 1 from her kit whitch is guaranteed and 1 from the debuff she applies, she can only get 1 from debuff so even if you stack 5 debuffs on her shel still get 1 extra so with fugue you dont need her lc (obv her lc is good but you get what i mean)
I think even now she looks pretty good, especially if you aim for E1S1, and if you are lucky or have money to spend, E2 is nice too. But, if I could change some things, I'd want the ult to either cost less or give more. Her being able to help weaken toughness is very helpful though since that is something you don't want to discount, especailly for quick clears, you don't want to waste time using your main breaker hits on reducing toughness, so just getting the ult more readily would really be fine for me. Her Super Break is really high combined with the exo toughness which is nice. Will make it really easy to get all of FF's E2 procs too. If I wanted to be geedy, I'd love if the defense pierce was just a bit more. Like, imagine if it gave 40, would be delicious.
Tutorial doesn't give def reduction. Only Pearls does that. She can proc the extra energy from hitting def reduced enemies tho. But it's not even a point at looking at rotations yet since her ult cost is way too high and they have to lower it.
Heres a decent idea to make her ult worth its cost, but not necessitate moving eidolons to her base kit: Change her ult to single target - but have it delay the enemy (~20% or so) and put an undispellable debuff on them that record all toughness damage received. After the affected enemy recovers their toughness bar or recieve 8 instances of toughness damage (to the bar or super break), the debuff explodes, doing an amount (~30% lets say) of toughness damage recorded. I think its a decent idea - keeps her e2 eidolon value in place - makes her ult worth its cost and gives her insane single target delayed super break damage through her ult
I’m skipping unless she gets enough weakness break efficiency buff in the base kit to replace Ruan Mei since that’s the only thing she still needs 🗿if they add that tho I’m getting 100%
ISUMMON isnt it better to calculate Boothill with the Calvary set since he can trigger Superbreak with Fugue also He has Moze LC now (Tho not everyone has this so its ok to keep it out of the calcs)
While I agree that the cost of her ult is too much, it can be fixed (kinda) by using Before the Tutorial Mission Starts lightcone on Fugue , which is very good on her, and by using Quid Pro Quo with Gallagher/Lingsha
i think her ult should be cheaper or another energy reg mechanic with a condition should be added. also i think her ult needs flair, either more dmg/toughness reduction or another debuff that increases super break dmg for the foxian prayer for like 2 turns that would bring it to hmc level. so like 30% -50% extra.
Ever since jiaoqiu arrived I knew that there wont be a DoT support coming soon, so I never expected fugue to be one. Theres also rumors that we're going to get a DoT sustain on 3.0+ so you should lower expectation as we're likely not going to get a dedicated DoT support for quite a long time
I think i will be sadly pulling for Sunday, unless they are gonna release a new support which is unlikely 😢. I actually wanted to pull only on a female but i guess im gonna have to pull for Sunday. Lets see if she is useful for MOC
@@zap7737 i actually already have a lingsha who is capable of dishing out damage surprisingly. She is in my FUA team. I have a usable Super break team of firefly, Ruan mei, HMC, Gallagher. And a usable FUA team of fexiao, Robin, hunt March 7th and lingsha. Usable because my main priority is simulated universe completion and I'm f2p.
While she is good, she lacks HMC's ability to give 15% BE to all party members and Ruan Mei's 10% speed buff to hit break limits. HMC is also a Strong break DPS that allows capitalization of break effect after breaking enemies and it applys to everyone while Fugue gives a second break. It's pretty overpowered to replace HMC for her cuz Extra break bar. But she ain't a must pull cuz HMC is free. Most people will skippa rappa as well so it really decrease her value. Interestingly enough, many pulled for ling Sha as well so if HMC is replaced, Ling sha's subdps side won't be boosted
I think her benefit to rappa in particular is a bit understated in this video compared to boothill, as I believe she is by far the greated benefitor of exo toughness. Aside from the super break, boothill is only gaining a single instance of break damage by having fugue. On a boothill with sustain comp, I believe she will provide a lot less than bronya when it comes to ramping up, and she has the same issue boothill has with hmc over bronya: too much overkill, no AA. On a sustainless boothill comp, i dont think she can compare to the sp generation of something like a multiplication gallagher, which the team is very reliant on. In comparison, rappa benefits greatly from all of fugue's kit. She gains literally double stacks due to exo toughness, she gets more energy because she breaks elites 2x more, and, vs non imaginary weak, a toughness ignoring nuke for fugue ult allow her a way to break the toughness bars for tankier bosses.
You suppose she replaces the sustain in FF teams? Another proc of Superbreak and the Break Efficiency on e1 will supercharge break characters. Also iirc she has a delay mechanic which can synergize with RM and HMC's delays
changes I'd like to see is her def shred should go from 18% to 20%, ult go from 150 to 130 or 140, remove one stack of break vulnerability from her LC and add it to her ult with a 100% chance to apply to give her EHR more use than just the def shred, increase the amount of BE her trace gives from 15% to 25%, maybe move her e1 to her base kit and make her e1 just energy from her e2 and her e6 team share should be be in her e2 and e6 can maybe have all type respen debuff as a replacement
@@blueblazedemon I have Gallagher already and I was going to pull her just to make my firefly/rappa comfy. Now, I don’t think I even need a sustain for break anymore. I feel like the enemy will rarely have a turn, especially with rappas team. I never said she was weak, she actually seems pretty damn strong. But for my account she’s completely unnecessary.
I think it's a little amibtious for people to want E1 in her base kit (as many have suggested). IMO she would be ready to get shipped by lowering her Ult cost (she should be able to 3-turn ult running Tutorial and ERR rope) and double the toughness damage of her EBA (10-20-10 instead of 5-10-5). That's enough for me. I'm gonna pull regardless but I think she could certainly use those buffs and it would be a fair deal still. My logic is simple; the issue with Fugue's kit is not defficient buffs but rather extremely mediocre toughness damage. It becomes apparent when you run (Firefly Super Break) no sustain and the enemy is not weakness to Imaginary; all of her teammates are freeloading: Ruan Mei is Ice and has abysmal toughness reduction, HMC becomes completely ineffective thus Fugue needs the aforementioned changes to help Firefly to trigger breaks.
well as she applies a debuff on the dps turn, i only thought about acheron. def down is awesome for her, the ult cinda useless, but she is an upgrade to pela for sure in a e0s0 acheron team (ofc she is still better in a break team comp)
This is basically like a Lingsha situation all over again. She offers some things, but not groundbreaking enough that you'd HAVE to replace HMC in your Super Break teams when they're already strong as is. I understand that a 100% Super Break uptime and that Break Effect boost is good. But with the amount of hype that she had before her entire kit was revealed, she feels lacking. At least with Sunday we know that 3.x will have summon meta going for it, meanwhile Fugue seems to be just there to end the Super Break meta so Hoyo can move on to sell summoner characters.
In team Gallagher + Ruan Mei + Fugue + FF do you think a single watchmaker set would be enough for team? Mei doesn't ult that often so wouldn't 2 watchmaker sets be better here and if yes then who should be on ii, Gallagher?
I think she is already crazy strong ... I've seen boothill with exo-toughness hitting 1m dmg she is more sp positive and you can go with pearl light or silver wolf from herta shop with her , Her problems is that she don't deals that much dmg on her enh attack and don't have any special effect on her ult
Maybe I'm one of the few Players out there that is not excited by none of the new characters recently. The only one I'm waiting is Emanator Herta. The new characters are better versions of the current ones, which is good but it doesn't make the new ones a necessity for the account. That's my take. But as always, this game is about pulling which characters you like, so go for it. Good luck to those who're gonna pull the new ones
I will have to change either Galagher or male HMC in my FF team. I don't want to lose this balance of M+F in the team. It seems so nice to me. Especially I don't want to separate HMC from his wife - this would be so rude 😅
Sorry dumb question 😅, but what's the point of exo toughness state if you have HMC (who wants the enemy to already be in break state to apply Super break dmg) or have Ruan mei (who delays enemy actions while they're broken+ break dmg buffs)? I don't get the point of breaking the bars twice since it means I need to act fast once again to break the enemy a second time
This is usually beneficial to high toughness dealing characters that can break both bars in the same attack, triggering 2 breaks and in the case of BH 2 Extra breaks as well. And this would be on top of the other things you mentioned
@@mr.miscellaneous1079 I think u misunderstand exo toughness the enemy is still considered broken when they r in exo toughness they just take the brek dmg again when the bar is depleted and get delayed further so superbreak dmg will still proc even when exo toughness bar is active so there is no dmg loss there 😊
Guess Sunday is a better pick for me who can only afford 1 of them. Buffer for future servant meta. Harmony mc will have to make do for break tram. Spend so much time on his eidolons guess is also correct to keep using him.
For Boothill teams, specifically ones with sustain as I'm personally not comfortable going sustainless, would fugue replace Bronya or Ruan Mei slot as BiS?
basically same logic as HMC. You can replace Bronya by HMC or Fugue if the weaknesses line up with them. Fugue might be strong enough to fully replace Bronya but I still think farming trickshots without Bronya or supports matching elements feels absolutely dogwater, and Fugue on her own isn't solving that pain point.
This was initial quick preview using my old BH sheet so its not updated for whem Cabalry released. In the next video it will be fully updated. Thos was just do illustrate the huge dps increase
As if it is more profitable for a firefly to replace a ruan whth fugue. All debufs don't compensate additional 40-60% super brake bmg from hmc. But compensate 50% brake efficiency and 25% res pen easter. Anyway main buff in lightcon, +40% dmg taken too strong. Probably the best invest after firefly e2)
They can keep the ultimate the same if they lower the energy significantly, iam talking below 100 but she needs something else add to her base kit. Some people said move her e1 to her base kit and that would be cool especially for rappa (she fucking needs even in pf) i think she is either unfinished or they just overbalanced exo toughness
Welp it seems I would pulling Fugue to replace HMC while HMC is good their Ult gives no damage as my Break Team is having a hard time clearing the Memory Zone Meme Boss specially if Firefly and Gallagher both got hit by the Losing Eventide Light. Also it would be nice if you can make a video on which one is better overall in a break team Fugue or HMC.
Its totally cope but id be intrested in how she does for Acheron or dot. Acheron is already somewhat synergistic with Break since she colorless breaks. Fugue being Nihility will improve that colorless breaking, get her the nihility dmage buff and just tack on Superbreak for extra damage. So now nit onky does acheron do as much or more damage as before but the while team also does decent damage. For dot the defense shredding synergizes already with their relics and with black swan..and while dot has been fairly weak as of late again tacking on superbreak damage could make a difference. But i think this team would probably just break enemies too slow.
I'm trying to figure out whose spot she's supposed to take on a break team. She doesn't provide the Superbreak that HMC does, and doesn't have the Efficiency or sub DPS boost that Ruan Mei does, and I'm not seeing numbers big enough to make up for it.
Not trying to hate but I'm feeling kinda tired of undercooked/autoplay units. To explain what I'm talking about, this is nothing new, Ruan Mei is an example of this because most of her kit happens off her turn automatically. There are no real decision points, just use ult and then she never has to go again ideally, and you do nothing differently because of her except you do damage and toughness damage faster. Not all supports are like this, Bronya can have some neat ult tech/basic skill rotations etc. Your counterexamples are Seele, Jingyuan, Blade, Kafka, Feixiao as well as Tingyun, Yukong, Robin, and Huohuo. Those DPS's have various incentives to hold their ultimate, timing for a situation besides just "oh look max energy" - to trigger an extra turn, followup, more damage in enhanced state, etc. The supports have interesting gameplay - Tingyun ult can be tricky to time optimally due to energy overflow, and she can sometimes use skill spam to get energy faster which is situationally good. Robin ult and Huohuo heal timing also have at least take a modicum of thinking. Feixiao is my favorite recent unit because between march advance, march buffs, moze FU, Robin ult, her self buffs, etc, there is a fair amount that can go into optimizing both the team and rotations for a particular situation for your own account. Obviously youll get buckets of damage on auto, but you can definitely take it further by using tools better, and its especially satisfying with all the weird buffs in DU. Compared to that, this do-nothing ult and boring skill that turns off after using it (shes literally losing skill spam tech) combined with a talent that rewards her for existing feels lacking.
The ult is quite underwhelming. Just throwing out some ideas but what if she had a special DoT where the DoT deals ~% break dmg or superbreak dmg so the DoT scales with break rather than atk? Would at least make her a bit more versatile other than just def shred and break buffs. Could also go down the route of doing just regular DoT and have a conversion trace from effect hit rate and break effect to atk like black swan. Idk it just seems a little underwhelming for her base kit for trying to replace HMC tho i kinda get it with the exo toughness in the talent
@@iSUMMONYT ayt nice, so it is basically just doubles the superbreak dmg since HMC nad fugue helps deal 100% superbreak. In addition to the fact that Fire/Imaginary elem. Weakness is more common in the pool of enemies we got in the game
they really went and made my fav tingyun into support for my most disliked archetype :(( i'm 99% skipping her bc i wanted a DoT support, great vid tho!
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who allowed a Nihility character to buff allies like a Harmony character?! hello?!
I really wanted to see and understand how valuable her E1 is to the team.... because E0 is just a side grade of HMC and I'd just rather skip... it's either 0 copy or 2 copies for me, no "1"copy" talk...
just give heal mechanism to her kit, and no one gonna complaining about her debuff capabilities
She would be golden if they moved that E1 to her base kit
That would be insane!
Or the e2, that is if they increase the tenacity it takes out to around 30 instead of 20, In addition to buffing the super break multiplier, which is lower than the Hmc
@@iSUMMONYT this whole kit should have been given to Sunday, Fugue should have been the action advance unit. Why?! because Superbreak belongs to penacony and the strongest Summoner is Jing Yuan.. how could would that have been if we had broken neck Tingyun and the real Tingyun + Jing Yuan and HuoHuo, all from the Xianzhou Alliance and for Superbreak we had a full penacony Team that works well, Firefly, Sunday, HMC, Gallagher. I am pissed but i will still try to get them...
Move current E1 to base, reduce cost of her ult, add in a trace that gives 10 energy for enhanced basic, EHR>BE conversion trace, have her new E1 implant the weakness of her skill target for 2 turns when she ults, etc. Functionally she seems really lackluster atm.
integrate it on ult as a debuff something like
100% base chance to apply that ennemies take 150% base break efficiency for 2 turns
with enouth speed and the delays she gives you could get a 100% uptime i think
she's basically just there for her talent right now, her E1 needs to be in her base kit
Facts
Undercooked. Somebody wasn't sure how to compile her kit, have it replace HMC, and sell Eidolons at the same time. She feels like a 1.x generation character atm
She seems all over the place rn. Well it's V1 so kinda expected.
Her skill seems fine. Biff ally BE and gives enhance basic attacks that gives def shred but I hate the fact that its buffing an ally not debuffing enemy... SHES A NIHILITY, why is she giving buffs???
But Her ult does... nothing? While having 150 energy cost...
I think they're having trouble balancing her because her talent is just so good, especially for e2 firefly havers so they probably feel the need to nerf her other parts.
Imo they should have made it so her ult applys the exo toughness. Her talent give the team BE buff, and her skill just self's buffs and turn her into a sub dps. I hate her buffing a teammate. SHES A NIHILITY not a harmony. Like bruh. Personally that e1 can stay there, Ruamei already give 50percent break efficiency and having 2 character do that is too broken imo. We're gonna having firefly or boothill just needing 2 skill to break even the most tough bosses so sir I don't want that.
This solves the issue of her ult doing nothing, and also not making too strong since now you need to apply the exotoughness instead of it being applied automatically. This also fixes my personal hate on her buffing her allies...
@@wallnut7624 bro hates the "pseudo-harmony" part of fugue's kit but doesnt complain anything about huo huo (energy + atk buff), gall/lingsha (break dmg taken by enemy), fu xuan (increase crit rate), jade/march (giving buff to one ally)
@@clive... Well they're sustains. If they only provide healing they're gonna be bad so I'm fine with them giving team buffs but for nihility characters designed for debuffing enemy... why on earth do they need to buff ally they can just buff better. Anyways this is just a personal hate, it's probably fine but I just hate it.
She feels more a support for rappa specifically than a general break support
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She is. Rappa is designed around exo break as well with her stacks and her lack of implant.
And boothill. She’s worse than HMC for Firefly currently
@@tranvantan3377but better than RM
@@kirby9427Implying I wouldn't just use all 3
5:50 Just one correction. The text of this ability is as follows:
"Increases this unit's Break Effect by *30.0%.* After using Skill for the first time, immediately recovers *1.0* Skill Point(s)."
In other words, the increase in BE is independent of using the Skill. You already have the BE increase before you even use the Skill, they are two separate effects.
I am so glad that you are making this video because all the videos I've been seeing with her on sustainless break teams I would deadass think to myself am I insane or would having lingsha here instead ACTUALLY be better
Ofc Lingsha would be fantastic! BUt sustainless is very viable as well
I think sustainless is a must only for E2 FF and only viable in MoC (and maaaybe in some AS)
You swap HMC with Fugue, not Lingsha.
@@zap7737 Oh no you misunderstand, I know that fugue practically serves as an upgrade to HMC, I say it in a sense of, FF’s best current team is herself/hmc/rm/lingsha, and many people showcasing her have been opting to go sustainless as opposed to swapping out hmc, and in the showcases I’ve seen of that specific team comp I’ve always found myself thinking “idk if i’m crazy, but it really does feel like if lingsha was just there instead of her, this would actually be better”. Maybe it’s just them not being too good at piloting, but I’m glad more people have been agreeing that she should definitely get some improvements
Because theyre trying to do 0 cycle run, and most of the time to 0 cycle you run sustainless team (at least, thats the first to come in mind anyway). Im sure that eventually there will be a run with lingsha
Babe wake up a new iSUMMON vid just dropped
😂😂
For me, at the current state the ultimate should cost 90. At least that way could be spammed
Agree
1 Skill and 2 EBA atleast
With Ult and EBA scaling with Break effect multipliers.
Her Burst cost being so high is definitely to compensate for her E2. They could keep it that way, honestly, but at least give her base burst some extra umph by either implanting weakness or doing more toughness damage.
with 150 Cost, with no additional debuff/buff as support character, 40-50 Thoughness damage is reasonable
i respect the amount of effort you put into these vids, and giving actual numbers and spreadsheets. i don't wanna fill my recommended vids with hsr but i gotta give you a sub
Appreciate the support!
Imagine if her E1 was in the base kit so she could also be a RM replacement option for single carry break teams
Ruan Mei has Teamwide Break Efficiency while Fugues E1 is only on the DPS. Also the missing 10% Spd would really Hurt
I wish! Im going for her E2 probably as it is rn
Don't be so naïve.. and how to sell Ruan mei after that.. hoyoverse are not stupid...
@@sebastienfontaine2418 her weakness break efficiency is only for 1 ally, not teamwide like Ruan Mei's. And like other people said, she doesn't have a 10% Spd boost.
@@sebastienfontaine2418 It's not like they haven't power crept other characters. You think Seele or any other dps from 1.x is gonna sell?
I have some doubts for Fugue especially in a Firefly+Lingsha Team. Her current biggest selling Point is her Exo Toughness and the big dmg Increase mainly comes from Exo Toughness Break. The Mainproblem with Fugue replacing HMC is that you can really easy break the Exo Toughness with a differend Character since you have 3 Fire Character + maybe a Bunny that acts on his own and cant really be controlled.
If you dont Break Exo Toughness with Firefly her whole selling Point is gone since HMC Provides way better Buffs for the Entire Team.
So far it seems the Go to will be Sustainless with HMC,RM and Fugue.....which makes Lingsha already complete useless in the Team.
I think it just opens up the options a bit. But we should wait until later on in the beta to really cast judgement
Bruh, we've meet again lol, but i think i already told you that fugue gives 30% teamwide BE just like HMC's ult, while giving another 40% with her skill on top of that? Even considering everything that hmc bring after that, the 18% def shred would increase lingsha's damage way more than another break effect stats
Edit: if you see the leak, lingsha's team actually able to 0cycle while the one with sustainless team isn't simply because FF wasn't able to break every enemy on time without lingsha's help, maybe e1 fugue will fix that tho
@@zard2341hmc gives more team wide be, also gives more superbreak% overall than tinguun
@@unendingvoid yep, but what i also said was true, you won't gain that much of a damage from another 30% BE instead of 18% def shred if you compare fugue to hmc. The superbreak is also true, but sustainless team replace hmc with lingsha, and her personal super break damage is so high if you constantly using her skill (e2 firefly) that i don't think it would be as much as a downgrade compared to sustainless. Just like what i said on my edit, it's the team that able to 0 cycle due to lingsha helping ff break faster
@@zard2341 did you even read TBs Skills? First Ultimate is 33% BE cause its lvl 12 due to his E5. Second is his E4:
"While the Trailblazer is on the field, increases the Break Effect of all teammates (excluding the Trailblazer), by an amount equal to 15% of the Trailblazer's Break Effect."
My HMC has 250 BE (using MOP S5) so thats Additional 37,5% BE for the Entire Team.
Fugue gives 15% Teamwide once an enemy is Broken. Stackable 2 Times. So 30% in Total.
Additional she gives 40% BE with her Skill ONLY on the DPS.
So in my Case HMC gives 70,5% BE to the Team
While fugue gives 30% to the Team and 70% to the DPS shes using her Skill.
No weakness efficiancy and no weakness implant for a break support is just something else. She seems more like the 4 star Tingyun and Firefly is so boosted...she does not need her.
True but Hoyo is hellbent into buffing FF every patch 🤷♂️
Firefly is looking to be the Universal toughness Breaker for the Break team, partnered with another Main Break DPS after all the enemies are Weakness Broken to deal the final blow.
And hoping the Enemies are delayed long enough without a Sustain unit.
Fugue being more effective for Rappa and Boothill makes the playing field for BE dps pretty even if not a bit skewed toward Rappa. So FF is literally the one that is being buffed the least out of the three.
I wish weakness break efficiency was in her base kit and not in E1.
I would rather see the def ignore being E1 instead.
Gotta hope they tweak her kit since it is still only v1. V3 is where the real stuff is in place
They should
I wish she wasn't superbreak, or if she was she was at least a different element. My firefly team is already plently strong. Still waiting for a good dot sustain....
I also wish she was of a different element than fire
All the fire and imaginary is getting to me too ngl
Fire has the strongest break multiplier and also benefits from Kalpagani which is one of the most broken relics on the right setup. Also, almost all current enemie lineups have fire weakness. Being fire is a good.
I think that she's already good, but need a bit more. Atm she needs a bit of EHR to apply her Def down but that all that it does, the same it's for the Break% it's just to say that she does some SB dmg, seems a bit thrown in her kit. I would like something like make her EHR scales to Break% (like FF Atk scales to Break%) or she gives more Break% to the team based on her own Break% or EHR. And I would like for her Ult to be rlly strong, like her ult makes the enemies lose more Toughness for 2 some turns or something like that.
I cant wait to run them together
No matter what they do with “5 star tingyun” it won’t be enough, expectations are way to high
I don't think it's right. Sunday has probably more hype than tingyun, and I don't think I saw a video calling him lackluster.
Its already too late
@@celsosousamendonca4738go to the l3aked gameplay comments and you’ll see the top ones commenting on how his kit needs to be better, especially if compared to Robin.
People do this to every character on beta nowadays, and they’re always wrong.
@@tieAcherry101Jiaoqiu bad, Feixiao bad, Robin bad, Lingsha bad. I swear it happens EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
I'm almost convinced these people are the reason why powercreep is so steep in this game. They cry literally every time a character isn't completely broken
@@mrartezi2667i think the main issue is the useless e4, the absolute hell of a scam e2, his ult recovering huohuos for 1 person so its like nothing and e1 is 20 percent all res for 1 ally 1 turn which robins is 24 for everyone for her burst duration which is forever.
I am a simple man. I see a 9 tail fox girl in a game, she becomes my main unit.
Based as fuck.
Based
she's 5 tail, hoyo saving 9 tail for yae expy
@@someoneinasiashe has nine in her ult
Her ultimate is an enigma to me, I genuinely don't get it. It seems like such a throwaway or last minute shove into her kit, it does basically nothing. They could reduce the ult cost by a lot and I'd still think its pretty garbage, I hope it gets some extra effect, either a buff or debuff of some kind, in V3+
It def will end up changing there is no way it doesnt
Let's wait then, hope is the last thing to die, I think
yep exactly, i hope it’s a placeholder for now until they know what to actually do with it. i hope they add a debuff to it since she *is* a nihility character
@@xyippee Exactly, a vulnerability debuff and a greater tenacity reduction.
I heard her E2 gives an teamwide 100% action advance with her Ult. In that case, im pretty sure, its not getting changed
Honestly her Enhanced Basic Attack should have 20/10/10 Toughness DMG, even Gallagher's EBA has 30 Toughness DMG and he is only a 4 star, totally agree her lack of a HMC type of Superbreak DMG buff is disappointing.... I still think you should build her as fast as possible tho, her skills cycle in +2 skill points (+3 and -1), and the skill is blocked until it runs out so you need her speed to get it back up after the 3rd turn. Anyway def a great character, hope Hoyo buffs her up a bit in the next beta tests.
I think they should increase her base superbreak multipliers or giving her a trace similar to HMC's. Also give her something for her ult, either lower the cost or give her a debuff of some kind
I wish they gave her break efficiency at E0 but I know that's not going to happen
That would be nice
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Since her ult doesn't do much it would be an insane buff if they let it detonate DoT like kafkas skill(maybe for partial damage), which would make her a lot more universal and a better support for Boothill
Tingyun's talent makes her more synergistic with Rappa because it's another charge and more energy for Rappa due to exo toughness bar mechanics. Rappa is definitely eating good with Fugue.
I cant wait to try them togetther
Until the enemy is off element
All these characters that ignore weakness and have def reduction always make me think what is the future of Silver wolf
Resistance still plays a huge role in damage. Weakness implant only allows her to break the enemy bar. They'd be doing like 3/4 or half the damage without res pen. Firefly is extremely relevant in the past year because everything has had fire weakness. If another element is being shilled and was resistant to fire, people would be thinking she fell off. It's how mihoyo tricks people into rolling the new units, by tailoring content around them. It's hard to test it in non-tailored content since the content is constantly rotating, so you can't access old ones, or is just too easy to matter, like relic farming/story.
Amazing as usual!!! Still haven't decided on the pulling but we'll see.
E6 hmc getting extra energy buffs while fugue doesn't in her base kit is kinda diabolical- when i first saw the 150 ult cost, I thought she was gonna at least have some extra ERR in her sig but nah... lots of potential with the colorless breaking though so hope it gets buffed soon
If anything changes im her kit, its going to be her ULT 100%
1. Ult: Put the 50% weakness break effect from her E1 on her ult as a debuff
2. E1: Give her +5 energy regen whenever a enemy gets broke. (first part of E2)
3. E2: Remove ER part, If the Ally with [Foxian Prayer] breaks an enemy they immediately get action advanced by 100%.
This would make the ult worth 150 energy + make the E1, E2 good QoLs for people that want her to be great.
Personally, I find it hard to accurately evaluate fugue's performance as a replacement to hmc despite what everybody is saying.
There's a few problems I have when comparing fugue to hmc.
1. Hmc is a harmony hence they can abuse ddd
2. Hmc shares a portion of their break effect + watchmaker set which effectively enables 160+ speed sustain(lingsha/gallagher) to reach 250% break effect to get their full 4pc buff.
3. Enemy toughness. Most calculation assume that the enemy is already broken. Practically speaking, their performances varies depending on enemy weakness.
she is kinda redundant probably in a firefly team not because she is bad but because any unit you replace with her is on her same level and any combination of her hmc ruanmei or lingsha plus ff will 0 cycle easily at c0 as of right now but yall forgeting physical break there she will shine that extra exo toughness breack damage going to go wild with boothill, she will also be very nice for xueyi enjoyers and she opens up running 2 break teams
I definitely can't wait for your more detailed video on Fugue. Currently struggling to decide whether to pull for Firefly E2 or just pulling for Fugue.
Firefly E2 is just way strong, id focus on that as RM and HMC are still clearing in 0 cycles before fugue even comes out.
Fugue because Trailblazer probably will not remain only Harmony
That will come later, stay tuned!
I'm going for her bc she's girlypop and i need closure from the phantylia thing. I think they did really good with her story so I'm sold. I'll just get Rappa and Lingsha on their reruns.
Here’s to hoping she receives some sort of BE scaling in future versions
I'd like if the Def Reduction scales off BE or if she got some Vulnerability scaling or Break Efficiency or something like that
As a E0S0 Boothill-less First fly haver, I'm eyeing that LC of hers with interest.
The gorgeous art is a separate motivator...
I think defense ignore works after defense reduction. So they doesn't stack 100% with each other.
Not directly but if you reach 100% def Multiplier with either of the 2 or a combination of the 2, adding more wouldnt make a diff cause its capped at 100%
I am listening to her kit details and this is still very hard to imagine what she will do in actual battle. Will be waiting for the explanation for different characters vdeo!
Same was with Ruan Mei - just some bit of buff here, and just a bit of turn delay. But in practice this is a huge difference with and without Ruan Mei
In battle she is pretty inactive. She Skills, then EBA until she Skills agaon into ULT. Rinse and repeat.
Should put her E2 as part of her base ultimate and it'll be the best callback to Fugue's day as a Harmony😆
Facts lol
When I look at Fugue I kind of miss using Tingyun. She has such a cute face.
As always, appreciate your videos!
In my opinion, Fuge’s skill and ultimate need substantial improvements to be relevant enough along with the
Recommendations for ultimate rework: Increase energy for Fugue’s ultimate from 150 to 210. Decrease the damage that Fugue’s ultimate does at level 10 from 200% attack damage to 150% attack damage. Increase the toughness reducing damage of this attack from 20 to 40 toughness damage to all enemies (100% buff in toughness damage). Add an effect where she has a 100% base chance of inflicting the enemies with a debuff, Lupine embers, which increases the break damage taken by all enemies by 50% for 2 turns (50% vulnerability for break damage and super break damage). Fugue’s ultimate will still ignore all weaknesses.
Recommendations for Fuge’s skill:
Increase the break effect bonus she gives to an ally from 40% to 50% at level 10. Allows the target ally to have 50% more weakness break efficiency (derived from her original E1). Increase the defense debuff she grants to enemies to 30% from 18%.
Recommendations for Fuge’s enhanced basic attack:
Fugue’s enhanced basic attack can no longer gain skill points. Fuge’s enhanced basic attack grants 30 energy instead of 20 (to compensate for higher energy ultimate). Fuge’s enhanced basic attack toughness reducing damage increased to 20 toughness damage to the main unit and 10 toughness damage to adjacent units (from 10 toughness damage to the main unit and 5 toughness damage to adjacent units).
Recommendations for Fuge’s talent:
Decrease the super break damage taken by enemies from 100% to 50% at level 10. Add an effect that states that whenever an enemy’s weakness is broken, Fugue gains 5.0 energy and 1 skill point. Exo toughness functions the exact same.
When you do the full review, could you also do calculations for Acheron? Acheron is obviously not a break DPS, but Fugue is Nihility, which presents the interesting idea (particularly for E0 or E1 Acherons) of using Fugue to get super break with Acheron's ult. Not sure it's worth swapping out Pela for Fugue, but it seems like an interesting idea.
At E0S0 running Fugue make the S1 less necessary because Acheron will be able to inflict debuff via Fugue on her attacks which is really good
@@iSUMMONYT Does this mean S1 Acheron would generate 3 stacks per skill? Would you actually want hyperspeed Acheron to be able to ult all the time? What if we also put Resolution on Fugue so we can get even more stacks?
@@cmdrenfuego no, only 2. 1 from her kit whitch is guaranteed and 1 from the debuff she applies, she can only get 1 from debuff so even if you stack 5 debuffs on her shel still get 1 extra so with fugue you dont need her lc (obv her lc is good but you get what i mean)
I think even now she looks pretty good, especially if you aim for E1S1, and if you are lucky or have money to spend, E2 is nice too. But, if I could change some things, I'd want the ult to either cost less or give more. Her being able to help weaken toughness is very helpful though since that is something you don't want to discount, especailly for quick clears, you don't want to waste time using your main breaker hits on reducing toughness, so just getting the ult more readily would really be fine for me. Her Super Break is really high combined with the exo toughness which is nice. Will make it really easy to get all of FF's E2 procs too. If I wanted to be geedy, I'd love if the defense pierce was just a bit more. Like, imagine if it gave 40, would be delicious.
What i like about fugue is boothill can get all 3 medals at 1 attack on the mobs, and make more rappa stack
Wouldn’t her best fp2 LC be Tutorial in that case since she gets Effect Rate %, Defence Reduction, and Energy Regen?
Tutorial doesn't give def reduction. Only Pearls does that. She can proc the extra energy from hitting def reduced enemies tho. But it's not even a point at looking at rotations yet since her ult cost is way too high and they have to lower it.
Yeah her Ult seems bad, if they could implement another def shred or break vulnerability then it will be worth it....
true
Heres a decent idea to make her ult worth its cost, but not necessitate moving eidolons to her base kit:
Change her ult to single target - but have it delay the enemy (~20% or so) and put an undispellable debuff on them that record all toughness damage received. After the affected enemy recovers their toughness bar or recieve 8 instances of toughness damage (to the bar or super break), the debuff explodes, doing an amount (~30% lets say) of toughness damage recorded.
I think its a decent idea - keeps her e2 eidolon value in place - makes her ult worth its cost and gives her insane single target delayed super break damage through her ult
I’m skipping unless she gets enough weakness break efficiency buff in the base kit to replace Ruan Mei since that’s the only thing she still needs 🗿if they add that tho I’m getting 100%
ISUMMON isnt it better to calculate Boothill with the Calvary set since he can trigger Superbreak with Fugue also He has Moze LC now (Tho not everyone has this so its ok to keep it out of the calcs)
That will come in the next video this was just a preview of sorts. This was BH sheet from when he came out and we didnt have Cavalry yet
I’m very excited for her but I totally agree about the Ult being way too costly for what it does.
While I agree that the cost of her ult is too much, it can be fixed (kinda) by using Before the Tutorial Mission Starts lightcone on Fugue , which is very good on her, and by using Quid Pro Quo with Gallagher/Lingsha
i think her ult should be cheaper or another energy reg mechanic with a condition should be added. also i think her ult needs flair, either more dmg/toughness reduction or another debuff that increases super break dmg for the foxian prayer for like 2 turns that would bring it to hmc level. so like 30% -50% extra.
Still don’t know what hoyo were thinking making her a break oriented unit. Wasted opportunity not making her a DOT oriented unit.
atleast yall are sure to not have Break characters anymore in the 3.x
DOT left in the dust
Ever since jiaoqiu arrived I knew that there wont be a DoT support coming soon, so I never expected fugue to be one. Theres also rumors that we're going to get a DoT sustain on 3.0+ so you should lower expectation as we're likely not going to get a dedicated DoT support for quite a long time
Fr WTF? They have already released so many break characters
@@pinkinglily6447such a shame, it's not really fair to the players. They need to balance it
I think i will be sadly pulling for Sunday, unless they are gonna release a new support which is unlikely 😢. I actually wanted to pull only on a female but i guess im gonna have to pull for Sunday. Lets see if she is useful for MOC
The problem, is Sunday is like unusable, until they add more summon units.
@@zap7737 dw Sunday will cook up in 3.0
@@zap7737 i actually already have a lingsha who is capable of dishing out damage surprisingly. She is in my FUA team.
I have a usable Super break team of firefly, Ruan mei, HMC, Gallagher. And a usable FUA team of fexiao, Robin, hunt March 7th and lingsha. Usable because my main priority is simulated universe completion and I'm f2p.
I actually meant Pure Fiction and not MOC
@@Aaoowa i assume so,but that means hes just sitting on the bench for a while, which is lame.
While she is good, she lacks HMC's ability to give 15% BE to all party members and Ruan Mei's 10% speed buff to hit break limits. HMC is also a Strong break DPS that allows capitalization of break effect after breaking enemies and it applys to everyone while Fugue gives a second break.
It's pretty overpowered to replace HMC for her cuz Extra break bar. But she ain't a must pull cuz HMC is free. Most people will skippa rappa as well so it really decrease her value. Interestingly enough, many pulled for ling Sha as well so if HMC is replaced, Ling sha's subdps side won't be boosted
She has something similar in total she gives 70% BE to all allies so its a bit more than HMC (at 200 BE)
doesnt she give 30 BE to the team from just breaking 2 enemies
@@trashercraft2636yes, she gives 15% BE when an enemy are broken. Can stack to 2 times and lasts for 2 turns
I think her benefit to rappa in particular is a bit understated in this video compared to boothill, as I believe she is by far the greated benefitor of exo toughness. Aside from the super break, boothill is only gaining a single instance of break damage by having fugue. On a boothill with sustain comp, I believe she will provide a lot less than bronya when it comes to ramping up, and she has the same issue boothill has with hmc over bronya: too much overkill, no AA. On a sustainless boothill comp, i dont think she can compare to the sp generation of something like a multiplication gallagher, which the team is very reliant on.
In comparison, rappa benefits greatly from all of fugue's kit. She gains literally double stacks due to exo toughness, she gets more energy because she breaks elites 2x more, and, vs non imaginary weak, a toughness ignoring nuke for fugue ult allow her a way to break the toughness bars for tankier bosses.
as a xueyi enjoyer i want her with my xueyi for the fun . big dmg superbreak
Nice!
Feels like Fugue is gonna be free for christmas
You suppose she replaces the sustain in FF teams?
Another proc of Superbreak and the Break Efficiency on e1 will supercharge break characters.
Also iirc she has a delay mechanic which can synergize with RM and HMC's delays
Yes its a Theory that I believe has merit because we can already do it without her to some degree, she just makes it easier
Solitary dealing has bfeak effect too plus energy ehich solves her er issues and a little bit of dot if she has it 😊
Shouldn't the thief set be better on her because she also breaks enemies easily. With that set her Ult up time should be higher
I wouldnt argue with running Thief set on her.
changes I'd like to see is her def shred should go from 18% to 20%, ult go from 150 to 130 or 140, remove one stack of break vulnerability from her LC and add it to her ult with a 100% chance to apply to give her EHR more use than just the def shred, increase the amount of BE her trace gives from 15% to 25%, maybe move her e1 to her base kit and make her e1 just energy from her e2 and her e6 team share should be be in her e2 and e6 can maybe have all type respen debuff as a replacement
With what her ult actually does, it should be 90 or 100.
Well I guess I don’t need Lingsha now lol
She still strong but yeah not needed
She's literally a sustainer what are you on about
@@blueblazedemon I have Gallagher already and I was going to pull her just to make my firefly/rappa comfy. Now, I don’t think I even need a sustain for break anymore. I feel like the enemy will rarely have a turn, especially with rappas team. I never said she was weak, she actually seems pretty damn strong. But for my account she’s completely unnecessary.
@@FAFRO i thought you meant you already had lingsha and was fully about to replace her☠️☠️
I think it's a little amibtious for people to want E1 in her base kit (as many have suggested). IMO she would be ready to get shipped by lowering her Ult cost (she should be able to 3-turn ult running Tutorial and ERR rope) and double the toughness damage of her EBA (10-20-10 instead of 5-10-5). That's enough for me.
I'm gonna pull regardless but I think she could certainly use those buffs and it would be a fair deal still. My logic is simple; the issue with Fugue's kit is not defficient buffs but rather extremely mediocre toughness damage.
It becomes apparent when you run (Firefly Super Break) no sustain and the enemy is not weakness to Imaginary; all of her teammates are freeloading: Ruan Mei is Ice and has abysmal toughness reduction, HMC becomes completely ineffective thus Fugue needs the aforementioned changes to help Firefly to trigger breaks.
I personally will be pulling for Sunday, but hopefully I can grind up enough pulls to get tinting
That ult needa to do some shit other than reducing toughness and her e1 should become base kit and make def red to e1 if they want.
well as she applies a debuff on the dps turn, i only thought about acheron. def down is awesome for her, the ult cinda useless, but she is an upgrade to pela for sure in a e0s0 acheron team (ofc she is still better in a break team comp)
Guys hear me out. Acheron Fugue.
Should work as a S1 replacement
What do you think of E1 fugue for boothill specifically?
Idk about e1 but e0 seems good. Nothing game breaking, but helps him get his stacks faster which is cool.
This is basically like a Lingsha situation all over again. She offers some things, but not groundbreaking enough that you'd HAVE to replace HMC in your Super Break teams when they're already strong as is. I understand that a 100% Super Break uptime and that Break Effect boost is good. But with the amount of hype that she had before her entire kit was revealed, she feels lacking. At least with Sunday we know that 3.x will have summon meta going for it, meanwhile Fugue seems to be just there to end the Super Break meta so Hoyo can move on to sell summoner characters.
In team Gallagher + Ruan Mei + Fugue + FF do you think a single watchmaker set would be enough for team? Mei doesn't ult that often so wouldn't 2 watchmaker sets be better here and if yes then who should be on ii, Gallagher?
The only option here is RM cause shes the only one that can use it. Everyones else ULT deals dmg so it wouldnt proc.
Decided to wait til 3.0 to pull again but I’m tempted
I think she is already crazy strong ... I've seen boothill with exo-toughness hitting 1m dmg
she is more sp positive and you can go with pearl light or silver wolf from herta shop with her
, Her problems is that she don't deals that much dmg on her enh attack and don't have any special effect on her ult
Maybe I'm one of the few Players out there that is not excited by none of the new characters recently. The only one I'm waiting is Emanator Herta. The new characters are better versions of the current ones, which is good but it doesn't make the new ones a necessity for the account. That's my take.
But as always, this game is about pulling which characters you like, so go for it. Good luck to those who're gonna pull the new ones
I will have to change either Galagher or male HMC in my FF team. I don't want to lose this balance of M+F in the team. It seems so nice to me. Especially I don't want to separate HMC from his wife - this would be so rude 😅
sound reasoning
I feel like her ult cost alot but don't do much. 😅
Sorry dumb question 😅, but what's the point of exo toughness state if you have HMC (who wants the enemy to already be in break state to apply Super break dmg) or have Ruan mei (who delays enemy actions while they're broken+ break dmg buffs)?
I don't get the point of breaking the bars twice since it means I need to act fast once again to break the enemy a second time
This is usually beneficial to high toughness dealing characters that can break both bars in the same attack, triggering 2 breaks and in the case of BH 2 Extra breaks as well. And this would be on top of the other things you mentioned
@@iSUMMONYT oh it's meant to be simultaneous, ok from that pov I can see why its very strong when added to everything else ty ty
@@mr.miscellaneous1079 I think u misunderstand exo toughness the enemy is still considered broken when they r in exo toughness they just take the brek dmg again when the bar is depleted and get delayed further so superbreak dmg will still proc even when exo toughness bar is active so there is no dmg loss there 😊
Guess Sunday is a better pick for me who can only afford 1 of them. Buffer for future servant meta. Harmony mc will have to make do for break tram. Spend so much time on his eidolons guess is also correct to keep using him.
did they plan Al that when they enabled firefly's weakness implant? the break team is dominating
They are buffing FF to the fucking moon
No, I think they are regretting that 😅
For Boothill teams, specifically ones with sustain as I'm personally not comfortable going sustainless, would fugue replace Bronya or Ruan Mei slot as BiS?
basically same logic as HMC. You can replace Bronya by HMC or Fugue if the weaknesses line up with them. Fugue might be strong enough to fully replace Bronya but I still think farming trickshots without Bronya or supports matching elements feels absolutely dogwater, and Fugue on her own isn't solving that pain point.
She can replace either really especially if shes E1. But even at E0 she can sub in for RM and still cook with BH and Bronya.
that is ult is certainly something 😭😭😭
Her problem is she breaks very slow
They should fix that by v5 hopefully
Why not using cavalry here for bh calculation?
This was initial quick preview using my old BH sheet so its not updated for whem Cabalry released. In the next video it will be fully updated. Thos was just do illustrate the huge dps increase
she doesnt do enough super break damage. she doesnt feel like that big of an upgrade for firefly as she is for rappa
As if it is more profitable for a firefly to replace a ruan whth fugue. All debufs don't compensate additional 40-60% super brake bmg from hmc. But compensate 50% brake efficiency and 25% res pen easter.
Anyway main buff in lightcon, +40% dmg taken too strong. Probably the best invest after firefly e2)
Will her superbreak(talent) stack with Harmony Trailblazer's Ultimate ?
Yes it does
damn i thought fugue could replace HTB but i guess not
Her ult needs to do something more than just dmg for 150 energy smh
They can keep the ultimate the same if they lower the energy significantly, iam talking below 100 but she needs something else add to her base kit. Some people said move her e1 to her base kit and that would be cool especially for rappa (she fucking needs even in pf) i think she is either unfinished or they just overbalanced exo toughness
Welp it seems I would pulling Fugue to replace HMC while HMC is good their Ult gives no damage as my Break Team is having a hard time clearing the Memory Zone Meme Boss specially if Firefly and Gallagher both got hit by the Losing Eventide Light. Also it would be nice if you can make a video on which one is better overall in a break team Fugue or HMC.
Its totally cope but id be intrested in how she does for Acheron or dot.
Acheron is already somewhat synergistic with Break since she colorless breaks. Fugue being Nihility will improve that colorless breaking, get her the nihility dmage buff and just tack on Superbreak for extra damage. So now nit onky does acheron do as much or more damage as before but the while team also does decent damage.
For dot the defense shredding synergizes already with their relics and with black swan..and while dot has been fairly weak as of late again tacking on superbreak damage could make a difference. But i think this team would probably just break enemies too slow.
Maybe Fugue isn't bad, HMC is just too strong (lore accurate).
I'm trying to figure out whose spot she's supposed to take on a break team. She doesn't provide the Superbreak that HMC does, and doesn't have the Efficiency or sub DPS boost that Ruan Mei does, and I'm not seeing numbers big enough to make up for it.
. Superbreak Acheron 🤣🤣 .
Intereting 😂 i'll probably try that lol /s
Not trying to hate but I'm feeling kinda tired of undercooked/autoplay units.
To explain what I'm talking about, this is nothing new, Ruan Mei is an example of this because most of her kit happens off her turn automatically. There are no real decision points, just use ult and then she never has to go again ideally, and you do nothing differently because of her except you do damage and toughness damage faster. Not all supports are like this, Bronya can have some neat ult tech/basic skill rotations etc.
Your counterexamples are Seele, Jingyuan, Blade, Kafka, Feixiao as well as Tingyun, Yukong, Robin, and Huohuo. Those DPS's have various incentives to hold their ultimate, timing for a situation besides just "oh look max energy" - to trigger an extra turn, followup, more damage in enhanced state, etc. The supports have interesting gameplay - Tingyun ult can be tricky to time optimally due to energy overflow, and she can sometimes use skill spam to get energy faster which is situationally good. Robin ult and Huohuo heal timing also have at least take a modicum of thinking. Feixiao is my favorite recent unit because between march advance, march buffs, moze FU, Robin ult, her self buffs, etc, there is a fair amount that can go into optimizing both the team and rotations for a particular situation for your own account. Obviously youll get buckets of damage on auto, but you can definitely take it further by using tools better, and its especially satisfying with all the weird buffs in DU.
Compared to that, this do-nothing ult and boring skill that turns off after using it (shes literally losing skill spam tech) combined with a talent that rewards her for existing feels lacking.
The ult is quite underwhelming. Just throwing out some ideas but what if she had a special DoT where the DoT deals ~% break dmg or superbreak dmg so the DoT scales with break rather than atk? Would at least make her a bit more versatile other than just def shred and break buffs. Could also go down the route of doing just regular DoT and have a conversion trace from effect hit rate and break effect to atk like black swan. Idk it just seems a little underwhelming for her base kit for trying to replace HMC tho i kinda get it with the exo toughness in the talent
Iam really thinking if I really need it knowing what's coming down the pipeline herta
Its always nice to know bro.
Can't they just make her ultimate increases weakness efficiency, because just some break DMG is so underwhelming
Does superbreak dmg stack? Like having both her talent and HMC ult activated increases the overall superbreak dmg that the team deals
Them 2 together make the tesm deal 2 instances of Super Break.
@@iSUMMONYT ayt nice, so it is basically just doubles the superbreak dmg since HMC nad fugue helps deal 100% superbreak. In addition to the fact that Fire/Imaginary elem. Weakness is more common in the pool of enemies we got in the game
they really went and made my fav tingyun into support for my most disliked archetype :(( i'm 99% skipping her bc i wanted a DoT support, great vid tho!