The Reason Why A McLaren V8 Is So Good
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- Most of the current McLarens are running a flat-plane V8, but did you know that the engine is actually older even than the McLaren F1? It wasn’t particularly a clean-sheet design and neither was it developed merely by McLaren. Today it is known as an incredibly efficient supercar power unit and it started in the 1980s at a Nissan race engine development department.
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I have a DVD of group C and Imsa gtp behind the scenes, Porsche engineers admitted how impressed they were with Nissans development. I haven't heard of Porsche praising others like that often. McLaren picked a great platform
They had no choice but to admit the possibility of failure 😂
it's so sad to see the current state of Nissan cars.
Which year?
@@zairomolino4074 I think 1989-1991.
@@lordjaashin thankfully we have the new z
Also as someone who's driven a 650s last year, those engines are MONSTERS. I love when you put the pedal down you just feel EVERYTHING rush towards you like you're about to go into warp drive. It's such a thrilling and amazing experience.
I got that feeling in an uncles 700hp awd saab. I think it was basically a saab viggen with everything from a Volvo but with a saab engine fitted to the Volvo drive train.
Also get that feeling in a 200ish hp ae86 with less than 2k lbs with me in it. When I stab it in 5th at 45-50 it skates around trying to break traction. Wild when you're next to ppl and you just see them zip by into your rear view. Currently building a 350-400hp one for the same reason but with better suspension
Drove a 720s at a track day and I concur it felt like a spaceship
@@jaceburris2534 It just keeps pulling even after you thought the rev was already very high.
scam scams scammers poop shit junk McLaren use japan nissan protype r380 v8 1995-1998
@@rattyratstuff7125 we need to see that Saab
I love engine tech. These things are even more fascinating if you think about them like musical instruments. Comparing firing orders crank angles etc.
I worked on one of the original Nissan GTP cars for a collector out of Chicago in the late 90's..... a very impressive car for the time....i could not fit in the cockpit even without the seat....lol...it was a turbo V6
IIRC the Group C and IMSA racing efforts were totally separate even though they were both NISSAN.
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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
You should do a video about Ricardo and all the engines they have developed,
From the early motorcycle engines Harry Ricardo worked on
That would be tremendous. But would need several episodes.
VisioRacer you consistently impress me. I’m pretty good with motor sports trivia, but where the heck do you find this stuff?! Thanks for all of the great content! 👍🏼
Thank you, Matthew!
I second that
I wil third that ?!
google and wikipedia and countless hours of research!
@@Verdeniza Wikipedia is just the base, but to find the true details it requires much deeper googling and searching
Excellent video on my favorite engine of all time. Anyone that has any doubts about this engine needs to drive a McLaren. It's an eye opening experience on what a street car can do. Thanks for the post and keep up the great work.
this is a great video, well done. I thought a knew a lot about this engine and now I know more. thank you!
The R390 is so freakin sexy 👍
Very well researched and written! Thank you for this interesting video!
Great upload!
This is an incredible video. Love the backstory behind the performance.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks Nissan 🥰 quite incredibile story and thank you for this video!
Thanks!
Funny how McLaren used Nissan for engine development.
Koenigsegg on the other hand....
@@exothermal.sprocketkoenigsegg used Ford engine
Did not know this. Excellent work.
Rated R content on YT :D Gotta love it.
Love your videos in general, you came a long way since the first few dropped :D
P1 is my all time favorite McLaren, great video thanks!
Theres nothing to say. History has already spoken. Mc Laren knows good stuff when they see it.
Great video 👍🏻
The sound that comes from that engine is eargasmic....
Love those supercar and hypercar themes 💪
TBH it only sounded "phenomenal" in the early days (aftermarket exhausts notwithstanding). From the 570S onwards, it just had the same kind of sound as a 488, the muted single-tone flat-plane noise. The 12C and P1 almost sounded like cross-plane units, they were much more complex and interesting sounds.
Interesting- care to elaborate in more detail?
It's a Nissan engine, of course it's good.
Then you look at the rest of the car and everything makes problems and has bad build quality, on the other hand its an english car so that makes sense.
@@benistingray6097 Quality problems are a proud British motoring tradition.
@@benistingray6097 absolute nonsense. The MP12-C had many reliability issues (McLaren's first modern supercar) but after that they've been very good and cars like the 720s left all of the competition far behind with the incredibly engineering. Also the modern engine is very different from the original Nissan engine, Riccardo have changed it almost beyond recognition (another English company btw).
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 - Did you know about 85% of all motorsport engineering happens in the U.K? Quality problems are a thing of the distant past.
@@LeeXRV It's a shame that engineering prowess doesn't translate to reliability in road cars. It's been a pretty consistent trend in reviews dating from well before I was born until present. The decline in numbers and relevance of significant consumer brands from the UK is the main factor in making this trope less relevant.
Perhaps all the talent is tied up in rent-a-works operations for motorsports?
I don't rag on British cars out of dislike; I rag on them because there's so many examples of "don't meet your heroes" among them. The ones with the best reputations for reliability all seemed to be GMs, Fords or rebadged Hondas. *looking at you Rover*
There's a great legacy that's largely been allowed to become hollowed out in the middle through decay and it's pretty much entirely up to foreign ownership to rebuild it, if they so care. Niche aspirational brands aren't really enough to continue a legacy.
Vision I love the videos and I've been watching since 2017 but I miss the captioning you used to have at the bottom of the screen.
8500 revs red line despite having turbos.
Truly amazing for a production car.
Its what you get with a true race derived background rather than working from a road spec upwards like most other marques.
No such thing as diamond coated, only "diamond-like coated". Hence the DLC moniker.
Potato tomato same shit 😂
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@@fidelcatsro6948 😂 yep!!
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Again a good vid
I love the bore to stroke ratio with the "stroker" engine, still massively oversquare
Very presentable and very detailed video bruv, but I had a difficult time understanding what you where saying in some parts of the video. Written subtitles can go a long way to helping those in the audience get the full detail. Keep continuing to improve 👍
Some need them, some hate them. I habe a difficult time deciding whether to use them or not. Closed captions are very precise most of the time
@@VisioRacer The AI had an opinion on the dyno run.
Turn on the captions at 8:13
@@VisioRacer no reason not to use them as everyone has a option to turn them on/off.
Don't bake them into the video.
@@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 That was funny.
the reason why a McLaren V8 is so good is that it isn't made by McLaren lmao
Well recherched: As I understood how it came into McLaren hands is that it was part of the TWR liquidation sale. So although commissioned by Nissan Tom Walkinshaw's company still owned it along with all tooling.
McLaren has a lifetime tradition of buying excellent engines from others.
If I could design a engine, it would start out as basically a LS/LT engine, then deepen and thicken the cylinder sleeves, thicker deck, and main webbing, raise the cam tunnel, improve the oiling, the oil pump would basically be two pumps, one for the crank only, capable of very high volume, to maintain 60 psi at peak temperature, at idle, even with the thinnest oils, the heads would be the main difference, they would be nearly twice as thick, allowing the intake charge to fall. Straight on the top of the valve, the intake. Would be a major part of the head design, it would basically be short to medium length trumpets flaring into a large plenum, if carburetor it would require 4x 2bbl carbs, at best 2x 4bbl carbs would. Be required, with possibly a 60° V, I'd have to look into the engineering, maybe the heads can be designed to simulate a 60° v for the intake distribution, a lot of wet flow testing to see how the plenum and heads flow, the intake valve would open into the center of the cylinder, possibly using two cams in the block, to open the complex valves, with the pushrods crossing the valley, depending on the geometry, not sure if an overhead cam can cover the geometry, if so it would definitely be a dohc, with the exhaust nearly exiting the top of the head,. With exceptionally thick deck surfaces, allowing angle cutting to fine tune the angles and compression ratios, with a minimum 4.080" bore and upto 4.200"+/-,. And stroke from 3.200" to 4.100" , and possibly 4.280 with clearance bring made, and possibly a flat plane crank version made, along with direct injection, and a cast steel crank and rods in a base version, and 4340 in the others, with forged Pistons, and shaft mount rockers with offset rockers possibly made of titanium, with a operating range from 1k RPM, to 8800 rpm+/-, with rods on the long side, 6.150", with a deck height about 9.155"to 9.220", with tons of water in the heads , using basically two water pumps, in a single housing, with water not flowing through the deck surfaces, the water flowing into the head on both sides in the center, and out on bothe ends, the same with the block, both using about 1" passages for the outlets, possibly cast into the block and heads, maybe a bolt on piece, with stainless tubing, using as little runner as possible a single piece crossing head to head in the center under the intake, with the rear exits running around the outside, to the front, then run parallel to the in flow, almost like the flathead Ford V8, only using a single pump, maybe possibly electric, and should leave a near flat surface for accessories on the front of the engine, it would be awesome to design and build a engine!! Sorry to ramble!! ✌️
Dude, that's porn of a description!
You want fries with that?
JK you know your stuff. 😅
Why not build your engine and put it in a car?
Also, how do you know this is a good engine? I know nothing but i’d love to pick your brain.
I love your excellent idea!!!! DO IT!!!!
This thumbnail is art. Trying to emphasize some random ass part that most people wont recognize, without the use of arrows, circles, or the color red. Sins avoided.
Nissan has historically made the best V8's
No.
@@ghostwrench2292 besides the LS The Nissan VK is the most used V8 platform in auto racing. Its not even close.
I dig the 5.0L VK50 in my FX50.
@@Sir.VicsMasher FX50’s are elite.
Had the opportunity to enjoy a 650s for a few laps this summer. The car just disappears around you, as you go faster. Its like flying. So freaking neutral ⚡
Mclaren brake pedal feel is super weird. Prefer Pcars for driver engagement and brake/steering feel
Can you do a video on the top 10 most powerful gasoline vehicles with the highest fuel efficiency?
I’d love to see a video about the mercury dual over head cam v8 and how they helped design the c4 zr1 motor. Then using what they have learned to make what they have since the 90s.
Big block NA motors made to handle Marine environments. There blower motors making up to 1200hp and there duel overhead cam twin turbo motors making 1650hp. Making that power continuously over the entire time until there recommended top end rebuild time comes after a certain amount of hours.
These motors make this power reliability and can always make it no matter what.
Different power settings depending on what fuel is used.
The ZR1 engine you speak of was not designed by Mercury Marine. They just machined and assembled the engine in Stillwater Oklahoma. It was designed by Lotus in England and CPC division of General Motors. You are correct about the later generation of engines with engineering details taken from the LT5. The LS series of engines have plenty to thank the LT5 for.
@@bobolulu7615 yes I know
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A podcast i was listening to earlier said it best. Short stroke engines just rev higher.
This engine (the base not this particular on a mclaren) is also on a jaguar xjr15 race car first then goes to nissan if I'm not mistaken
I've always been surprised the F1 uses that BMW V12. I suppose it has shown to be reliable and pretty much what Mr. McLaren Rx'd
Now if we could just get the engine in a crate for swaps.
Yeah, for more money than 98% of new cars on the road.
sure you can!! chevy 572 entered the chat..
@@fidelcatsro6948 Talk about a boat anchor!
@@TucsonDude ;)
Great video! McLaren doesn't want you to know Nissan is somehow related 😂
PS: your voice was overlapping the engine sound at some points.
Turn on the captions and see what the AI thought of the dyno run at 8:13
A few incorrect facts in there. The original design layout came from Menard Competition Technolgies who sold the rights of the original layout to Mclaren road cars. Mclaren road cars having no engine design capability tasked Mahle Powertrain (who were formaly Cosworth) with turning that race design into a road car engine. Mclaren wanted the customer to feel their race pedigree and so asked for NA and gear driven cams. On hearing the Mahle version of the engine Mclaren realised that such a noisy thing (the gear drives would be inches behind the drivers head) could never make a road car engine. At about the same time Ron started to get wind of emissions regulations and also wanted a 300g/km engine. The fixed cam timing NA engine could never manage that. So legal jiggery pokery ensued and next thing Ricardo end up tasked with making it work as a road car engine. The base layout was kept, but just about everything else was thrown out and started from new. Now the engine was turbo charged, had chain drive cams, variable valve timing on inlet and exhaust and also new fangled eletrically driven thermostats. Those in conjunction with secondary air injection (and not moving the throttle) allowed an early proptype MP4-12C to scrape through the 300g/km. So its not really a race engine at all apart from the layout, and its only a Mclaren in funding as Ricardo also made it as well as designed it. TTFN Ex Ricardo (and Ilmor) engine designer.
Why McLaren and/or other supercar makers never seem to tap Cosworth for a models power plant. IIIRC Cos is based in England (be good for McLaren), known for very high revving, powerful, and reliable motors.
8:45 backfire
its wierd how they have 1 carbon tub and 1 engine, but have 4 different cars built off of it, some of wich are 3x the price of others, and the only difference is the shape of the plastic, turbo size and tune.
What!! All McLaren V8s were Nissan engines!? Now this makes the Supra/Z4 shared engine complete sense...
Explains why McLarens do so well in the US drag race scene.
The Engine in Mclaren Senna GTR LM, has 9000 RPM!! But they are very limited edition
I miss the Nissan of the '80s and '90s.
I'm very sure that AMG's M177 in all it's versions can compete with that VRH.
how can the max power of the MP4 be at 7000 rpm and the rev imiter at 8500??
Assuming that's just where the powerband peaks. It probably won't make anymore power after 7k or so but rev limit is at 8k for whatever reason
7:10 Ah yes, 2.4 bar of boo
It be nice to have that single street car they made, but I suppose it is too valuable and rare to put miles on it blasting down gravel backroads and. such
Thank you for this. But I find it very disturbing with the chance of level in sound, between you speaking, and the engines roaring... Could you please look into this? ;o)
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Porsche: There is no substitute-
McLarens regularly dyno well over their rated power.
R390 from Gran Turismo is even cooler now!
I hear all the time of the reliability of McLaren engines..they last at least 1 years
Mine is 6 years old. 🤷🏻♂️
Think you are confused with ford and chevy.
DLC coating Diamond like carbon.
It's a NISSAN
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You haven't built one by hand. You've only seen it be assembled. Huge difference. Ignoramus
All that work and the Toyota 1uzfe is making 800hp in private backyard garages and thousands of hp by pros for decades
Pitty about the reliability and the weak Conrods even in stock trim....
Came here to say same. Plus, McLaren build quality is absolute trash.
Why McLaren V8 so good?
It is not made by McLaren.
Warum soll der Motor so gut sein? Ich kenne so viele 720s die Probleme mit dem Motor haben inkl. Elektkronik? Unser 765lt hatte kürzlich auch probleme mit nem Ventil.
They are the most unreliable engines of all supercars. I have two clients that have blown engines. Well, one blew it after he didn't listen to my oil analysis. The second had a worse analysis and allowed me to rebuild it before it was too late. Trying to figure out reliable piston rods and heads that don't warp.
N l C E!!
Wasn't it like the ls series where it was just refined every generation till they made crazy power and were very reliable? If I'm not mistaken the McLaren v8s are some of the most reliable super cars currently available.
This inside a r35 gtr
Ummmmm, Mclaren don't make their own engines in production cars and formula 1 cars....they never have.
U mean how good the Nissan motor is?
I prefer the sound of a crossplane V8 over any flat-plane V8. Just how it is.
Crazy everyone thinks of Toyota as being the king of reliability and performance, but the OG in this category was Nissan
Overcomplicated POS. My built NA iron 4 bolt SBC in my frontmid-engined Cobra did 550hp at 7000hp and ran 100000km without much wear and 0 probs. The car weighted 300kg less than a McL and 1400kg less than a Veyron. It cornered better than a McL or a gatti, except on bumps, and straight acceleration was better. 1.7 on a good day and not much heatsoak even at 35 C ambient. I am still not impressed by those heavy tanks.
blah blah pos
So you could say McLarens are running Nissan V8s?
Yeah
It will never be as good as a Ferrari engine.
what is so special about fiats?
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Until they break rods are weak
So, it was outdated... Yet Chevy can do well with an engine design dating back to the fifties... At least they are FINALLY replacing it.
if its so good then why it's always breaks 😂
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is that the engine of the 570s? because my boss has 2 of those and its literally always broken down, like one of the worst supercar ive ever seen
The v8 is good the car sucks there’s a difference. The shell is beautiful but everything inside is not done correctly like a Japanese reliable car
Use "seventy five hundreds" instead "seven and a half thousands" to sounds more like American.
why be american?
Because its not made my McLaren? Its built by Ricardo
Everything fails on a McLaren except the engine. Its a Nissan engine. 😉
...... all this. And it gets smoked by a $100k zo6.
Sorry for all the nismo lovers but as a real mechanic for about 30yrs modern nissans are absolute trash.. abysmal build quality, lack of timing chain gaskets and the most common car to see broke down n abandoned on the side of I95... dont get mad at me, just callin what i see and i didnt "engineer" these shitboxs.. just appalling... old nissans were badass and tough as nails...
I like McLaren's but they're not that great of a manufacturer. Never produced their own engine.
It doesn’t sound good though.
I mean Mclaren DID BOUGHT the rights on Nissan engine
amg v8 better
Awesome engine, cool cars but for me they are ugly.
The Kingdom of God is at Hand
John 3:16
King James Version
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Only fools buy McLaren
-a guy who cant afford a mclaren
Modern McLarens are GARBAGE.