How'd you guys miss the extremely obvious token theme for the Imperium deck? There are tons of cards that make tokens from straight up 1/1 soldiers to the squad mechanic. I feel cards like Anointed Procession and Smothering tithe should have 100% been in the non-budged recommendation section. Other than that thanks for the awesome content! :D Edit: Looked through the deck and it has: 12 creatures, 3 sorceries, 1 instant, 2 artifacts, 2 enchantments and 1 land that produce tokens for a total of 21 cards. It also has plenty of cards that don't directly produce them like Hour of Reckoning which is a board wipe that hits everything but tokens.
Exactly!!!! I can't understand why they really didn't notice the obvious token theme of the deck. Also Marneus as commander makes the deck even better and more focused.
I was waiting for them to point out how Marneus is a better commander for the deck as is. I want to upgrade it with Annointed procession, Smothering tithe and Black market connections. The clue subtheme I'm taking out and adding to my Tivit deck
I have no idea wtf they were smoking when they looked at this deck. To not even mention one of the strongest cards in it (Marneus Calgar) and then say they looked at it several times and have no idea what the theme is... wtf lol?
Yeah, especially considering one of the alternate commanders for the deck is one of the best token commanders of all time (draws whenever one or more tokens ETB).
With the Imperium deck you're supposed to take Inquisitor Greyfax out of the command zone and put Marneus Calgar into it. Solves all the problems with the deck /hj
I want to see all the commanders rated by you. Eager to hear your opinions and maybe watch you guys play with those decks. In the spirit of crossovers seeing you play with a Warhammer 40k youtuber would be fun too
@@NitpickingNerds are you guys familiar with the channel play on tabletop? Personally I would love a crossover with you guys playing warhammer and them playing MTG
The problem with the Imperium deck is that you don't really use Greyfax as the commander. The real commander of this deck was actually Calgar which benefits from any kinds of token this deck can pump out
@@coltinyancey6420 Ah yes, she enables miracle. Unlike Marneus that allows you to draw cards everytime you make a token. And can make you 2 tokens at instant speed anytime you tap 6. Surely just a support for Greyfax.
Forces of the imperium clearly has a token theme with these miracle-dudes. I'd Add Anointed Procession, Divine Visitation and maybe an Elesht Norn for the lategame-beating ("Maybe" because, she could kinda be a mess with skullclamp). Also: more spot removal like path to exile, anguished unmaking, despark and all the 3 commander- spells from the ikoria-presets. Plus: fetch- and shocklands of course since the colors are very bad at finding the right mana for the cause 😀 The Necron Deck seems kinda bad at drawing cards, so I would add a Pact of the serpent and a Blackmarket-connection or Phyrexian arena, and maybe an OG sheoldred to get more things out of the graveyard. Also replace the removal and reanimation spells with actually playable cards like animate dead, and reanimation :D
I wouldnt add Divine Visitation. Due to the fact that some of the tokens such as Space Marine Devastator have ETB effects which can be useful. You also have the one that draws cards on ETB which again would be lost with Visitation. Ultramarines Honour Guard Gives all creatures +1/1 and if you make tokens of them and they become Angels instead, say by to all that +1/1. Anointed Procession and Elesh Norn would be fantastic options though.
I think the alternate commander for the forces of the imperium deck is actually a way stronger option, drawing you a lot of cards and even being able to go infinite with its second ability. Its also really gross with smothering tithe, making a treasure and drawing a card every time an opponent draws card.
For “Forces of the Imperium” why don’t you look at the second commander in the deck “Marneus Calgar”. This card can make this deck a lot more focused and more powerful
The tyranid deck is amazing by simply using Lucea as the commander and moving Swarmlord to the 99. She is so good with Ravenous. Draw two cards every time and double the ETBs and have two big creatures. Cut the irrelevant tyranids for hydra and big x draw spells and red finishers. Super good.
Yeah, only for the cost of 5 mana (on top of the creatures actual cost) Ravanous is a dreadfully poor mechanic. Compare that to Squad and Ravanous is awful.
@@ArmageddonAsh Ravenous is great actually, you make your deck to have as much mana as possible, and if you use Lucea you get double the cards from the ravenous. My hydra deck usually ran into the issue that spending 10 mana for a 9/9 is kinda shiiit, even with Zaxara giving you another 9/9. I had gigantic minions, but ran out of cards very quickly. Instead, for 8 mana you can get 2 8/8s, and draw 2 cards. The draw is what makes the deck, since you have to accept that your commander WILL die. Comparing to the OG hydras, ravenous is something fun and adresses the lack of resources X decks usually have. Squad is probably better, but I have no interest in running a token deck.
I think this might be the set that gets me into paper magic. I've been wanting to get away from Arena and finally try paper commander. I donno shit about Warhammer but I'm feeling this set. Everyone seems excited about it, and evidently $20 precons are coming back. Found a shop nearby that hosts FNMs and has everything I need to get started so maybe I'll finally give it a go.
imma try out the necron precon tonight with my buddies but yeah - this is a decent product to get into paper mtg. I'd argue that the painbow, Prosper tomebound, and the lorehold precons are great too (the latter 2 got my friends into commander)
Honestly Marneus Calgar feels like he should have been the main commander for the forces of the imperium deck, he is so much better I'm scratching my head why he is the alternate.
I encountered the same issue with the "forced of the imperium" precon. I had no clue in which direction I wanted to upgrade the deck, so i decided to make it clue tribal so I always have a clue.
I bought the foil editions. I really hope I don't regret it. The nonfoils were sold out. And I thought screw it! If nothing else, I'll sleeve them all in separate sleeves, and have them ready for random gamenights. Mix things up now, and then.
There are vids showing off the foil decks. Both vids revealed the decks were pringled top to bottom (which is an improvement...?) before even opening the wrapping. You can fix that, sure, but it's a pretty bad offering from WotC for a super premium product. Also, the tokens are only foiled on one side. Beyond that there is the cheap cardboard counters, the standard cardboard/plastic mix life wheel, and a sense of "where's the premium here?" That all said, take a look. You might find you like the look of the foils. Personally, I can't stop thinking: For something people are paying a very large sum of money for, WotC really cheaped out. They've done better in the past, and should be held to a higher standard.
I've been really excited for the tyranid deck, both because I'm a tyranid warhammer fan but also because I've wanted to make a simic +1/+1 deck for ages (red is a fun bonus seeing as its become a current favourite colour in standard for me), I got unbound flourishing from an innistrad pack in like February and have waited for a chance to use it
@@ArmageddonAsh Tyranids win through numbers, if we can get enough players to play tyranids that there are at least two of us in every game of commander we can devour all before us, united by the hivemind
Joe, how did you miss Forces of Imperium's token synergies? I have to assume it's due solely to having to carry Beezy's part of the show whilst he has been unwell lol. Glad you're better Beezy, and thanks legends for the daily content. It's very much appreciated by me
Since for Necron one You added Bolas' Citadel maybe add also Aetherflux Reservoir to finish the pair 😁😁 (coming to think of it, it would also work well in cascade deck)
For the Imperium deck, Greyfax is really a distraction from Marneus who is just absolutely absurd. Esper token theme with the altars as infinite combo pieces
20:58 I was like.... Seb McKinnon! I legitimately thought wizards had him make cards for this set too. I've tried to wait and see the cards in person. Gonna get the full experience, but still listening to you guys. Good time to open my phone. Love his art.
Entrapment maneuver is sometimes awesome against decks which are build around single attacking creatures, voltron for example. In many cases these creatures have hexproof and or indestructible and can't be blocked. Sacrificing the one attacking creature is like a nuclear bomb against this decks, often they have other support creatures they could/would sacrifice if you only would cast "sacrifice x creatures" before they would sacrifice their pumped up commander. A player in my playgroup played sometimes a Voltron Knight deck with Syr Gwyn, which was brutal if enough equipment and auras was put on her (which is quite easy to do with that commander). I had some cheap ass cards like that in my Deck which totally nuked that deck out of orbit. I guess they put the card in it for the Mono Black commander.
It's so funny that you corrected exterminatus because it's actually pronounced extermin-ah-tuss, I wasn't going to comment until you corrected it incorrectly
Great vid, I would've just discussed the back up commanders a bit. For the Esper deck, you have a very obvious theme if you roll with the back up commander instead.
When you run the forces of imperium with magneus calgar it beats the other 3 decks lol. You can't just read the decklist and know how good a deck is gonna be. It's just like spoiler season everyone thinks they know what the best cards are until u actually play them, then the real quality emerges
Every time wizards prints cascade in commander precons they always go the route of “oh you can cost reduce big spells and then cascade into other big stuff”. I wish they would widen their view on cascade, in my opinion cascade is more fun when cascading for cheap mana values, it becomes a sweet storm enabler and you can plan out your one and zero drops to maximize your chance of getting specific stuff off cascading. Just look at yidris cedh lists and see the shenanigans they pull, cascading off five one drops in a turn
Your last comment is exactly why they don't go that route I think. That kind of power likely wouldn't play well in the precon environment as this deck would dominate the others.
Never your intent, but glad I saw this video sooner rather than later as sometimes your videos on which cards to buy/add to a deck tend to help drive the prices of some cards up (at least according to other youtubers). I think that's a testament to the good work you guys do! Keep it up! (Also shout out from a patreon, not shilling but have never regretted supporting this channel).
For Tyranid Swarm, how about Grumgully? And Renata? And Rhythm of the Wild? And Invigorating Hot Spring? Honestly, you should have dedicated one vid per precon...
$50 for a pre-built 100 card deck is absolutely fine. All my commander decks end up being $100+ and usually begin at $30-50 when first built so paying that out of the box for a already playable deck with decent reprints and new cards which are probably going to climb is not bad at all.
How are yall just gonna pass over Trazyn the Infinite, he is definitely the better commander for this deck if you want it to be a more solo lane focused deck. Mill then pull him out to have a crazy toolbox creature then recursion for beating or to win.
Lol, wtf, how did you miss Marneus Calgar in Forces of Imperium? Also, it's blatantly obvious that its a token deck and with Marneus at the helm, this deck could actually be really strong. big swing and a miss, nerds.
I don't think Abaddon cascades into multiple cards. In its oracle text, it says "cast from your hands". So it is just one cascade loop right? If I got it wrong, boy is this a OP commander!
Im brand new to mtg and Forces of the Imperium is the first deck im researching and planning on buying (ive played with my friends decks before) and im just amazed at how much it went over your guy's heads. Im not sure if im being arrogant and assuming I know better than yall but your "final thoughts" portion made 0 sense to me from everything I know of the deck. Its like you didnt read the cards on screen or something. Almost the entire deck is token themed im not sure how you think it doesnt have a direct theme My only concern before buy it is that everything uses a ton of mana but maybe thats a good thing so I wont be wasting mana by not having anything to tap it on
I think Thrilling Encore is better than Gerrard's Hourglass Pendant in black. The upside of getting every creature (including opponents') seems a lot better than the upside of marginal extra turn hate and ability to recur more card types, especially for the same total mana.
Y’all completely missed the alternate commanders which are arguably better than the face commanders. Trazyn the infinite goes infinite with one or two cards in graveyard. Marneus Calgar goes infinite with tokens and draw with 2-3 cards.
I feel like for ruinous power a rakdos lord of riots would be perfect.. It let's us cast high mana cascade cards for less, so we can cast more.. Also sunbirds invocation.. (if it isn't already part of the deck?)
The forces of the imperium face commander is garbage but Marneus Calgar is the true commander, the deck is basically token creatures and board wipes, and stuff to buff your own troops and more board wipes
It's so weird that you never mentioned out of the tombs, in my deck without changes has the easy combo to bring with any card draw all creatures out of my graveyard, and kill all opponents creatures 😅 and while that actually kill all other opponents permanents including lands if I have a sac outlet on the board soooo.... But without these combos just a super fun card.
In my deck are river kelpie or great hendge, underealm lich(as replacement to not lose or maybe possessed portal in the future), thorn mammoth, and I think treefolk elder is the name etbs destroy noncreature... Muldrotha with obviously selfmill.
An idea for the future but I know a lot of commander players who only know spanish, so maybe one day you could have a spanish dub version potentially. Could reach a lot more people.
Its painful to hear y'all completely ignore Marneus Calgor's existence. It is, in my humble opinion, the entire reason the imperium deck is the best of the four. A couple of tokens matter cards and you're cooking with grease.
Can someone explain to me why Bolas’s Citadel is better than Necropotence? Is it the fact that you can cast the spells this turn instead of just getting a full hand of cards at the end of the turn?
in my opinion, I prefer Bola's Citadel because you can cast the spells for free, paying with life. In my Magecraft deck it's a huge gamechanger, specially with sensei's diving top, that takes out your lands. You can go infinite if you have permanents that make you gain life when you cast spells.
The decks are not good. Especially at the “premium” cost point. For an Increased price they should have had better cards. If they were worried about actual cards/reprints they could have just made the mana bases good…. Cabal coffers on the Monoblack Necrons as a Tomb World anyone?
How'd you guys miss the extremely obvious token theme for the Imperium deck? There are tons of cards that make tokens from straight up 1/1 soldiers to the squad mechanic. I feel cards like Anointed Procession and Smothering tithe should have 100% been in the non-budged recommendation section.
Other than that thanks for the awesome content! :D
Edit: Looked through the deck and it has: 12 creatures, 3 sorceries, 1 instant, 2 artifacts, 2 enchantments and 1 land that produce tokens for a total of 21 cards. It also has plenty of cards that don't directly produce them like Hour of Reckoning which is a board wipe that hits everything but tokens.
Exactly!!!! I can't understand why they really didn't notice the obvious token theme of the deck. Also Marneus as commander makes the deck even better and more focused.
I was waiting for them to point out how Marneus is a better commander for the deck as is. I want to upgrade it with Annointed procession, Smothering tithe and Black market connections. The clue subtheme I'm taking out and adding to my Tivit deck
I have no idea wtf they were smoking when they looked at this deck. To not even mention one of the strongest cards in it (Marneus Calgar) and then say they looked at it several times and have no idea what the theme is... wtf lol?
Yeah, especially considering one of the alternate commanders for the deck is one of the best token commanders of all time (draws whenever one or more tokens ETB).
@@spamcan2284 They probably hate universe beyond.
With the Imperium deck you're supposed to take Inquisitor Greyfax out of the command zone and put Marneus Calgar into it. Solves all the problems with the deck /hj
Im not sure how they missed the Token theme in the Imperium deck when one of the two face commanders is “Draw cards if you even think of a token”.
The Imperium deck also has a miracle theme. That's why it has the clue tokens: to trigger miracle on your opponents' turn.
I did not realise you could do that, thanks
Imagine calling Necrons the villains of 40k (they're objectively right about everything)
Underrated comment right there
That's some strong heresy, may I say...
They just are coming back from an afternoon nap and have a bunch of homeless people pissing on their lawn.
Knowing nothing about 40k... I assumed they where too
All factions are the villain
Forces of the Imperium puts emphasis on dumping resources into making tokens of high value creatures. The "Squad" represents this well.
I want to see all the commanders rated by you. Eager to hear your opinions and maybe watch you guys play with those decks.
In the spirit of crossovers seeing you play with a Warhammer 40k youtuber would be fun too
Rankings are comiiiing
@@NitpickingNerds are you guys familiar with the channel play on tabletop? Personally I would love a crossover with you guys playing warhammer and them playing MTG
@@marceloasensiofilho3833 you know any in the buffalo area?
@@NitpickingNerds I am unsure. I live in Brazil.
@@NitpickingNerds @MWG Studios is across the falls from you guys
Beezy’s back baby
ohhh yeah!
Guess who's back, back again
Beezy's back, tell a friend!
Guess who just got back today?
Them wild-eyed boys that had been away
Haven't changed, had much to say
But man, I still think them *nerds* are crazy
He kinda caries the show to be honest
Don't call it a comeback.
The problem with the Imperium deck is that you don't really use Greyfax as the commander. The real commander of this deck was actually Calgar which benefits from any kinds of token this deck can pump out
Greyfax is the more powerful commander. She enables the combat nature of the deck while drawing more cards and enabling miracle
@@coltinyancey6420 Ah yes, she enables miracle. Unlike Marneus that allows you to draw cards everytime you make a token. And can make you 2 tokens at instant speed anytime you tap 6. Surely just a support for Greyfax.
Forces of the imperium clearly has a token theme with these miracle-dudes. I'd Add Anointed Procession, Divine Visitation and maybe an Elesht Norn for the lategame-beating ("Maybe" because, she could kinda be a mess with skullclamp). Also: more spot removal like path to exile, anguished unmaking, despark and all the 3 commander- spells from the ikoria-presets. Plus: fetch- and shocklands of course since the colors are very bad at finding the right mana for the cause 😀
The Necron Deck seems kinda bad at drawing cards, so I would add a Pact of the serpent and a Blackmarket-connection or Phyrexian arena, and maybe an OG sheoldred to get more things out of the graveyard. Also replace the removal and reanimation spells with actually playable cards like animate dead, and reanimation :D
I wouldnt add Divine Visitation. Due to the fact that some of the tokens such as Space Marine Devastator have ETB effects which can be useful. You also have the one that draws cards on ETB which again would be lost with Visitation. Ultramarines Honour Guard Gives all creatures +1/1 and if you make tokens of them and they become Angels instead, say by to all that +1/1. Anointed Procession and Elesh Norn would be fantastic options though.
I would add nothing cause it would ruin the style and flavor of the deck.
Would have liked to see a review of the alternate commanders included!
The esper deck seems like it missed the opportunity to make Marneus Calgar the commander. That would have been wayyyy better to build around.
It’s built around him already more than it’s built around Greyfax, lots of token production going on.
I think the alternate commander for the forces of the imperium deck is actually a way stronger option, drawing you a lot of cards and even being able to go infinite with its second ability. Its also really gross with smothering tithe, making a treasure and drawing a card every time an opponent draws card.
For “Forces of the Imperium” why don’t you look at the second commander in the deck “Marneus Calgar”. This card can make this deck a lot more focused and more powerful
I wish you guys knew a fragment of 40k lore. deck is way more badass then you think imo
The tyranid deck is amazing by simply using Lucea as the commander and moving Swarmlord to the 99. She is so good with Ravenous. Draw two cards every time and double the ETBs and have two big creatures. Cut the irrelevant tyranids for hydra and big x draw spells and red finishers. Super good.
Did the same for a hydra deck I had, change a few hydras and useless minions for tyrannids, and the deck turned out surprisingly good.
Yeah, only for the cost of 5 mana (on top of the creatures actual cost) Ravanous is a dreadfully poor mechanic. Compare that to Squad and Ravanous is awful.
@@ArmageddonAsh Lucea pays for 2 of it. She makes it worth it. It wouldn’t be otherwise though, sure
@@ArmageddonAsh Ravenous is great actually, you make your deck to have as much mana as possible, and if you use Lucea you get double the cards from the ravenous.
My hydra deck usually ran into the issue that spending 10 mana for a 9/9 is kinda shiiit, even with Zaxara giving you another 9/9. I had gigantic minions, but ran out of cards very quickly. Instead, for 8 mana you can get 2 8/8s, and draw 2 cards. The draw is what makes the deck, since you have to accept that your commander WILL die.
Comparing to the OG hydras, ravenous is something fun and adresses the lack of resources X decks usually have. Squad is probably better, but I have no interest in running a token deck.
You should look again at imperium forces, with marneus calgar as the commander, instead of greyfax. I think it could be a pretty strong deck.
I think this might be the set that gets me into paper magic. I've been wanting to get away from Arena and finally try paper commander. I donno shit about Warhammer but I'm feeling this set. Everyone seems excited about it, and evidently $20 precons are coming back. Found a shop nearby that hosts FNMs and has everything I need to get started so maybe I'll finally give it a go.
Do it
imma try out the necron precon tonight with my buddies but yeah - this is a decent product to get into paper mtg. I'd argue that the painbow, Prosper tomebound, and the lorehold precons are great too (the latter 2 got my friends into commander)
@@deltagodangel picking up my ruinous powers from my lgs on Tuesday
@@matthewbutler6557 goddamn I'm sorry for you buddy, such a shitty deck, it was my second 40k deck. I wish I had found Necron Dynasties instead.
The Forces of the Imperium deck literally makes tokens. Even I, someone who is new to magic as a whole noticed this.
Honestly Marneus Calgar feels like he should have been the main commander for the forces of the imperium deck, he is so much better I'm scratching my head why he is the alternate.
I encountered the same issue with the "forced of the imperium" precon. I had no clue in which direction I wanted to upgrade the deck, so i decided to make it clue tribal so I always have a clue.
forces of the imperium, is very much a token deck. I think its actually really strong O_O. cant wait to get it out the box!!
Same
I bought the foil editions. I really hope I don't regret it. The nonfoils were sold out. And I thought screw it! If nothing else, I'll sleeve them all in separate sleeves, and have them ready for random gamenights. Mix things up now, and then.
There are vids showing off the foil decks. Both vids revealed the decks were pringled top to bottom (which is an improvement...?) before even opening the wrapping.
You can fix that, sure, but it's a pretty bad offering from WotC for a super premium product. Also, the tokens are only foiled on one side. Beyond that there is the cheap cardboard counters, the standard cardboard/plastic mix life wheel, and a sense of "where's the premium here?"
That all said, take a look. You might find you like the look of the foils.
Personally, I can't stop thinking: For something people are paying a very large sum of money for, WotC really cheaped out.
They've done better in the past, and should be held to a higher standard.
I've been really excited for the tyranid deck, both because I'm a tyranid warhammer fan but also because I've wanted to make a simic +1/+1 deck for ages (red is a fun bonus seeing as its become a current favourite colour in standard for me), I got unbound flourishing from an innistrad pack in like February and have waited for a chance to use it
Such a shame that the Tyranid deck is the weakest with the worst mechanics. Wont stop me getting it as i love Tyranids. Still disappointing though.
@@ArmageddonAsh Tyranids win through numbers, if we can get enough players to play tyranids that there are at least two of us in every game of commander we can devour all before us, united by the hivemind
Love the episode! Just wanted to point out you flipped Best New Cards and Best Reprints in the Necron Dynasties section
Joe, how did you miss Forces of Imperium's token synergies? I have to assume it's due solely to having to carry Beezy's part of the show whilst he has been unwell lol. Glad you're better Beezy, and thanks legends for the daily content. It's very much appreciated by me
Since for Necron one You added Bolas' Citadel maybe add also Aetherflux Reservoir to finish the pair 😁😁
(coming to think of it, it would also work well in cascade deck)
I like how Beezy corrected Joe on Exterminatus pronunciation and he also didn't say it right. 😆
Americans being Americans
Glad to see you back, Beezy! Joe, you're the best for keeping the daily NN dream going. THESE GUYS ARE UNSTOPPABLE!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
cannot be stopped!
Hope u guys do more in-depth precon upgrade videos. Missed those! Great content like always
They all look pretty good tbh. I feel like you could just throw animar as your commander in the Tyranid deck lol
For the Imperium deck, Greyfax is really a distraction from Marneus who is just absolutely absurd. Esper token theme with the altars as infinite combo pieces
20:58 I was like.... Seb McKinnon! I legitimately thought wizards had him make cards for this set too. I've tried to wait and see the cards in person. Gonna get the full experience, but still listening to you guys. Good time to open my phone. Love his art.
Entrapment maneuver is sometimes awesome against decks which are build around single attacking creatures, voltron for example. In many cases these creatures have hexproof and or indestructible and can't be blocked. Sacrificing the one attacking creature is like a nuclear bomb against this decks, often they have other support creatures they could/would sacrifice if you only would cast "sacrifice x creatures" before they would sacrifice their pumped up commander. A player in my playgroup played sometimes a Voltron Knight deck with Syr Gwyn, which was brutal if enough equipment and auras was put on her (which is quite easy to do with that commander). I had some cheap ass cards like that in my Deck which totally nuked that deck out of orbit. I guess they put the card in it for the Mono Black commander.
See, I'm doing the exact opposite: I'm making a demon tribal deck with Be'lakor.
Breezy needs a new ironing board for Christmas
shhhhh
@@NitpickingNerds welcome back!
It's so funny that you corrected exterminatus because it's actually pronounced extermin-ah-tuss, I wasn't going to comment until you corrected it incorrectly
Glad to see Beezy's feeling better.
You both did a great job, solid analysis
thanks!!
The Necron deck could make good use of Cabal Coffers and Urborg, as is typical for mono-black.
100%
Great vid, I would've just discussed the back up commanders a bit. For the Esper deck, you have a very obvious theme if you roll with the back up commander instead.
When you run the forces of imperium with magneus calgar it beats the other 3 decks lol. You can't just read the decklist and know how good a deck is gonna be. It's just like spoiler season everyone thinks they know what the best cards are until u actually play them, then the real quality emerges
Every time wizards prints cascade in commander precons they always go the route of “oh you can cost reduce big spells and then cascade into other big stuff”. I wish they would widen their view on cascade, in my opinion cascade is more fun when cascading for cheap mana values, it becomes a sweet storm enabler and you can plan out your one and zero drops to maximize your chance of getting specific stuff off cascading. Just look at yidris cedh lists and see the shenanigans they pull, cascading off five one drops in a turn
Your last comment is exactly why they don't go that route I think. That kind of power likely wouldn't play well in the precon environment as this deck would dominate the others.
But that skull clamp art is chefs kiss so are the new sol ring arts
Mogis, god of slaughter is a good fit in the ruinous powers deck
Never your intent, but glad I saw this video sooner rather than later as sometimes your videos on which cards to buy/add to a deck tend to help drive the prices of some cards up (at least according to other youtubers).
I think that's a testament to the good work you guys do! Keep it up! (Also shout out from a patreon, not shilling but have never regretted supporting this channel).
We appreciate you
If you are doing a Commander specific video for these decks could you please call Marneus Calgar by his proper name that being Papa Smurf
He is the blue berry king.
You guys really whiffed on reconnaissance… its pronounced recon-a-since (thats as simple as I can make it)
For Tyranid Swarm, how about Grumgully? And Renata? And Rhythm of the Wild? And Invigorating Hot Spring?
Honestly, you should have dedicated one vid per precon...
When it comes to being nitpicky, these nerds know no bounds
literally
The fact we got to the point where "50$ for a deck is fine" keeps scaring me.
$50 for a pre-built 100 card deck is absolutely fine. All my commander decks end up being $100+ and usually begin at $30-50 when first built so paying that out of the box for a already playable deck with decent reprints and new cards which are probably going to climb is not bad at all.
How are yall just gonna pass over Trazyn the Infinite, he is definitely the better commander for this deck if you want it to be a more solo lane focused deck. Mill then pull him out to have a crazy toolbox creature then recursion for beating or to win.
Lol, wtf, how did you miss Marneus Calgar in Forces of Imperium? Also, it's blatantly obvious that its a token deck and with Marneus at the helm, this deck could actually be really strong. big swing and a miss, nerds.
Joe tried but couldn't protect his fiend hunter so now Beezy is back.
No mention of Trazyn the Infinite?
Did yall look over Trazyn the infinte in the Necrons deck? That only needs staff of domination to go infinte
Entrapment maneuver with that toughness centered mono blue crab commander. If only it worked with white......
I don't think Abaddon cascades into multiple cards. In its oracle text, it says "cast from your hands". So it is just one cascade loop right? If I got it wrong, boy is this a OP commander!
He only cascades with things from your hand, but casting multiple spells really gets out of hand!
Im brand new to mtg and Forces of the Imperium is the first deck im researching and planning on buying (ive played with my friends decks before) and im just amazed at how much it went over your guy's heads. Im not sure if im being arrogant and assuming I know better than yall but your "final thoughts" portion made 0 sense to me from everything I know of the deck. Its like you didnt read the cards on screen or something. Almost the entire deck is token themed im not sure how you think it doesnt have a direct theme
My only concern before buy it is that everything uses a ton of mana but maybe thats a good thing so I wont be wasting mana by not having anything to tap it on
When Beezy corrects him only to get it wrong also hahaha
Glad to see Beezy doing well, I got worried when Cherries actually voiced one of the shorts for once 😅
You definitely should call this type of content “ precon recon “ but that’s on you
I reckon.
Yay, Beezy is alive!
I just realized that it would seem Posty has the highest tier on the NN Patreon. I love it
Not touching the universe beyond stuff.
Actually I lied. I participated in the Forgotten Realms set. Sorta been out of MtG completely since then.
I missed you so much beezy 😭😭😭😭😭
I think Thrilling Encore is better than Gerrard's Hourglass Pendant in black. The upside of getting every creature (including opponents') seems a lot better than the upside of marginal extra turn hate and ability to recur more card types, especially for the same total mana.
Y’all completely missed the alternate commanders which are arguably better than the face commanders. Trazyn the infinite goes infinite with one or two cards in graveyard. Marneus Calgar goes infinite with tokens and draw with 2-3 cards.
Can't wait to see Commissar Severina be way better than 'okay' in Joe's Isshin deck.. That's my vote for next Shuffle Scuffle!
Swap the commander with the alternate in the esper deck and add an anointed procession. Seems like just doing that would make it pretty gross 🧐
I was gonna ask how y'all missed the imperium token theme but I think literally everyone else got to it before me
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Best mtg youtube channel by far!
Keep it up!
Glad to see and hear beezy again
Thank you! :P
90% of players buying the imperium deck are going to run Calgar as commander, so, yanno.
I feel like for ruinous power a rakdos lord of riots would be perfect.. It let's us cast high mana cascade cards for less, so we can cast more.. Also sunbirds invocation.. (if it isn't already part of the deck?)
Am I the only one who wants to put heartless hidetsugu into ruinous powers? Because all the cascade
The forces of the imperium face commander is garbage but Marneus Calgar is the true commander, the deck is basically token creatures and board wipes, and stuff to buff your own troops and more board wipes
Ruinous power needs demons since it’s legit all about Deamons
"Make fun of me all you want but I'm gonna say it: THESE. PEOPLE. ARE. DEMONS!" (x
ReKAHNasAHNSE , jeez cherries that is brutal. Tell me you're from upstate NY without telling me you're from upstate NY
Nexos is also good in Rosheen Meanderer, and Wort the Raidmother
LOL New miracles for Aminatou! ;p
Glad to see you're feeling better, Beezy!
Me too!
I might get the tyranid and mash it with my hydra
I was hoping we wiuld get a Roboute Guilliman card since we got 2 traitor primarch cards.
It's so weird that you never mentioned out of the tombs, in my deck without changes has the easy combo to bring with any card draw all creatures out of my graveyard, and kill all opponents creatures 😅 and while that actually kill all other opponents permanents including lands if I have a sac outlet on the board soooo.... But without these combos just a super fun card.
In my deck are river kelpie or great hendge, underealm lich(as replacement to not lose or maybe possessed portal in the future), thorn mammoth, and I think treefolk elder is the name etbs destroy noncreature... Muldrotha with obviously selfmill.
They missing the obvious token theme for the esper deck made me question the whole review...
I feel like you should have judged it with you swapping out the face commander as well.
An idea for the future but I know a lot of commander players who only know spanish, so maybe one day you could have a spanish dub version potentially. Could reach a lot more people.
Its painful to hear y'all completely ignore Marneus Calgor's existence. It is, in my humble opinion, the entire reason the imperium deck is the best of the four. A couple of tokens matter cards and you're cooking with grease.
On the imperium deck dose the strategy make more sense having Marneus Calgar as your commander and if so what would you add
Come on guys, how did you forget to mention cascade all star halimar depth for Abbadon! ;)
The return of the king. Love beezy.
EDIT: you got the BEST REPRINTS & NEW CARDS mixed up for the Necrons.
Just dreaming of bloodthirster in xenagos
Commissar definitely in najilah
i personal think belalor is a better route for the chaos deck but thats just me
A seven drop with cascade is worse then two three drops with cascade
Black artifact deck is screaming for priest of yawgmoth and soldevi adnate!
Imotekh, the other mythic legend in Necrons is so much better than Szarekh
Also, casually adding Necropotence and Citadel to my Necron deck >:)
Been looking for a review like this!
Can someone explain to me why Bolas’s Citadel is better than Necropotence? Is it the fact that you can cast the spells this turn instead of just getting a full hand of cards at the end of the turn?
necropotence is better than citadel you're right lol. Probably top 5 cards in the format.
in my opinion, I prefer Bola's Citadel because you can cast the spells for free, paying with life. In my Magecraft deck it's a huge gamechanger, specially with sensei's diving top, that takes out your lands. You can go infinite if you have permanents that make you gain life when you cast spells.
You can pay life to cast spells, which wins games
The decks are not good. Especially at the “premium” cost point. For an Increased price they should have had better cards. If they were worried about actual cards/reprints they could have just made the mana bases good…. Cabal coffers on the Monoblack Necrons as a Tomb World anyone?