The Stark Conquest (A song of Ice and Fire Lore)
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- Опубликовано: 15 дек 2023
- House Stark of Winterfell, former kings of the North
Their Conquest over every other family in the kingdom
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People mistake Ned Stark's calm demenor as the standard Stark behaviour, but Ned Stark is actually an outlier, an exception if you will, probably why they call him the silent wolf or the shy wolf. Starks are harsh, brutal, reckless, and very very dangerous - with an over-inflated sense of what is right and wrong. All of Ned's children except Sansa and maybe Bran (very debatable) embolden this normal Stark attitude. All of Ned's other siblings as well.
I think it's the arryn influence that softened him a bit
That's true that is also why I'm looking forward to Cregan Stark in HOTD season 2
Ned's calm demeanour isn't what separates him from other Starks. Some Starks like Alaric were cold and distant. What separates Ned from his ancestors is his mercy, his refusal to sacrifice the few in favour of the many. If someone like Cregan Stark or Rodrik Stark had been put in his position after Robert's death, he would have struck immediately, taking charge of the children and securing the castle. Instead Ned waited until the King was dead and warned Cersei in advance that he was going to pass the crown to Stannis.
that’s also bc Ned is culturally an Arryn, influence from childhood to young adulthood cannot be understated in shaping one’s values
Ned learnt from his older brother and father, his older brother who hanged himself in a cell trying to escape and his father who was set alight by the mad king all rushed in without a second thought. Stark hotheads died with them. Sansa is calculating bran sees everything traits the starks needed but lacked. rob didn't have foresight like his brother Bran if he did he would be alive. As we saw in the battle of the bastards being a hot headed stark will get you killed if Sansa didn't show up the boltons would of claimed victory.
To sum up most Northerners opinion of the Starks, I’ll give you this quote said by an unnamed Liddle in ASOS:
“When there was a Stark in Winterfell, a maiden girl could walk down the kingsroad in her name-day gown and still go unmolested, and travelers could find fire, bread, and salt at many an inn and holdfast. But the nights are colder now, and doors are closed ... It was different when there was a Stark in Winterfell. But the old wolf's dead and young one's gone south to play the game of thrones, and all that's left us is the ghosts.”
This quote hits the nail on the head
A lot of the audience get this dissonance with how savage and brutal Stark History was. Even I sometimes have to remind myself that Ned was an outlier since he was fostered in the Vale.
And also because Cat was a Tully that worshipped the new gods. She raised her children in a very southern way, Sansa is the best example. And sometimes even Robb had tendencies of this, although not that many. Ned literally built the first temple ever to the new gods in Winterfell, just for his wife. The kids were born with the option to choose which religion they wanted to follow. But I don't think Cat would've given them any chance. The girls even had a Septa.
@@notyourproblem474 I agree with most of this, though Cat definitely gave them a choice for religion as I'm quite sure that Ned would not stand for Cat shunning the Old Gods in his own home. The septas were more for teaching the girls ways of the southron ladies. But yes, this generation of Starks are way more Southron than the usual thanks to Ned marrying into the Tullys and Ned himself being exposed to the Arryns/Bobby B in his younger years.
The Starks should've pulled a Castamere on the Boltons.
Definitely agree the Boltons shoulda been wiped out a long time ago. Just look at how loyal the Manderly house is. If the starks had taken a small house and raised them up in the place of the Boltons i’m sure they’d have lost a great enemy and made a very loyal friend. Who would protest?
Playing Devils Advocate,You never know what can happen tho, they might just raise a smaller house that can possibly defeat them or cause them more trouble in the future.
Look at the Karstarks, they have mixed blood with the starks, practically kin. Yet that didnt stop them from betraying their kings trust (Rickard killing the boys unjustly, I understand the reasoning behind it still).
In a generation or 2, best friends/family can turn into bitter enemies. Look at the fossoways.
This is all a “what if” or “could be” of course, but better the devil you know than the devil you don’t i guess.
I wouldve killed the boltons down to the babes, but thats knowing what i know as a reader lol.
Probably those loyal to the Red Kings, though with how brutal the ancient Starks were, I doubt that if one of the Starks decided to wipe them out, any loyal to the Boltons would soon be next
my theory is that they were called the kings of winter because during winter they held the only viable lands to live, glass gardens (or possibly an earlier equivalent) and hot springs, so during winter time the starks helped the others in exchange for concessions. when summer came they all went back to their kingdoms but crossing the starks could mean being banned from safety next winter. the starks used their geographic location as a power move. once they controlled the north they no longer were just kings of the winter time but kings of the north.
perhaps the times the boltons sacked winterfell was because they were banned from safety in the upcoming winter and decided to attack in order to secure safety for themselves, those winters would have been terrible and this is partially why the boltons are hated, the guys that fuck up winter for everyone do not go down well in history.
on top of that, i have a theory about the boltons being starks that did not get the skinchanging powers. the bitterness meant they acted out the skinchanging literally by flaying starks and wearing them as a mockery and justice for the magic they didnt recieve.
Great theory !
I also think the Boltons are the only group in the family to get no warging, maybe even intentionally disallowed from breeding in to obtain it. I think when Old Nan lists the names the Night's King could have been, she's naming families that came from the union with the Corpse Queen.
I was always rather suspicious about the Blackwood claim that they were driven out of the North by the Starks. Houses remember ancient insults and feuds and pass them down from father to son like a good wine. Look at how the Manderleys recall how House Peak drove them from the Reach, and in their time of need, the Starks took them in. That sort of thing is remembered.
But the Blackwoods of Raventree Hall seem to have a good relationship with the Starks, fighting with the Blacks in the Dance of the Dragons, and joining their forces in both Robert's Rebellion and the Kingdom of the Young Wolf. No issue, no complaint, no 'hey, you drove us out of the Wolfwood and forced us to live down south, and we remember.'
But there is none of that, and their are certainly more loyal than the Brakens, as Raventree was one of the last castles to hold out for the Starks even after the Red Wedding, and even after Rivenrun had surrendered to Jamie. So I think that the Blackwoods had a more amicable agreement with the Starks and left the North for some other reason and the tale of them being driven out is just a cover. Perhaps they went South on the orders of the Starks to secure some ancient sites of the First Men or the Children. They are rather close to both the God's Eye and the Isle of Faces, and Old Stones, not to mention that massive weirwood they build their hall around . . .
I think you might be right there good theory
I read a good fanfic once which Explains this... Ofcourse that wasn't cannon though
The Starks are not "colonizers". They created no colonies. They were conquerors. Those words are not synonyms.
Thank you! I'm so tired of hearing that word thrown around. If anything, the Targaryens were colonizers, not the Starks
@@Inziladuunwait how the Targaryens are colonizers. They just did the exact same thing
targaryens aren't colonizers either....@@Inziladuun
If not for colonization, the majority of the world would still be centuries behind those they call "colonizers". It was brutal, but that was the way of the world until just a few centuries ago. Colonizers drag the superior tech into all of the world. Calling it a bad thing is so cringy and very, very reductionist.
@Inziladuun
Not exactly. They're not Conquering Westeros to add it to Valyria's holdings... Valyria as an Empire is gone, the Targaryens are just Conquerors. Westeros didn't get added to the Valyrian Empire or anything.
You should make a video about theories how the different houses in Westeros got their Valyrian Steel weapons. We never get to know how the Starks got Ice for example
Good one
Great idea
Incredible
Fantastic
Outstanding idea!
personally i think the feud between the Boltons and the Starks after the Boltons bent the knee is greatly overstated. as far as we know the Boltons only rebeled 2 times in several thousand years. once with the Greystarks and another where the Dreadfort held for 2 years under seige until a peace was reached. other than that the Boltons have been quiet, and seemingly dutiful. fighting against the Arryns and the sistermen in the war across the water, and before that fighting alongside the Starks against the Andal invader Argos Seven star. they presumably marched with Torrhen Stark against Aegon the Conqueror. and Barba Bolton asked for food from Aegon III at the maidens da ball on behalf of the north.
i think Roose Boltons actions can be best explained by Roose Boltons personality moreso than any enduring Bolton-Stark Feud.
compare this to actual rebellious houses, like the Greyjoys, Peakes, or Yronwoods. each which rebelled more than the Boltons in 300 years than they did over the course of thousands.
I also don’t think that roose Bolton would have dared to even think about revolting if Ned stark was still alive
Brandon of the Bloody Blade was in god mode
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But! Can Brandon of the Bloody Blade go toe-to-toe against Berserker Lancelot?
It’s the background character shown on 0:49 - 0:56 and 1:17 - 1:20 .
The Starks biggest mistake was allowing the Boltons to bend the knee they should have wiped out the entire bloodline
Edit... The Boltons had more than enough chances to change their ways and bend the knee, but they kept returning to flaying and wearing the skins of dead Starks, no matter how many chances the Starks gave them they wanted Winterfell and the North for themselves... leaving the Starks only one choice which unfortunately they failed to carry out with Ned as head of the family...now had that been Brandon what was left of the Boltons would have now been displayed outside the Dreadfort as a warning to other houses that don't honour their words of fealty
Ahh a Tywin fan
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starks stick to protocol. they don't do unorthodox shit like the lannisters
@@viralshorts9596they wiped out the greystarks. They were pretty brutal in the past
Im pretty sure they keep the Boltons around because they can defend their part of the North. Despite the rebellions, they’ve been put down every time. If you look at a map of Westeros and look at The Boltons holdings you’ll see what I mean.
The thumbnail looks epic
One thing that George Martin could have made in the north is to create a third “city” (like Barrowtown and White Harbour that have the state of a city) in the west coast of the north with naval power (small) to put in check the raid of the Iron born
Yeah and he should have the Starks not burn their entire fleet in the sunset sea and never rebuilt it.
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Keep up this masterpices coming man, you do some amazing job at keeping the fandom alive
I didn't know about Brandon of the bloody blade but I absolutely love that name 😎
Last time I checked there were at least 54 houses in all the north (that if you take the semi canon sources like the tale tale game that mentions houses Forrester and Whitehill or houses they mention in the show like Tywin when mention house durmond or house Mason that fought with the Hornwoods and Mormonts in the battle of the bastards)
I luv so much the style on your videos, it’s an amazing work and you have an incredible way of explaining, thanks so much for being the best asoiaf lore channel.
Love your channel man
Great video. It would be cool if you could do this for all the southern kingdoms. The Riverlands has a long and bloody history and it would make for a cool story with visuals.
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Same but im eating ice cream xD
I feel like Tywin would make a good OG Stark. Bloodthirsty, calculative, prideful, with disproportional levels of retaliation, literally butchering your enemies into submission with acts of atrocities so great you cower your own banner man into loyalty.
being Ruthless is a standards everyone carries out
“That it was since known as red lake ever since”. Masterfully written.
I think one of the biggest slept on mysteries is how come the technology barely advanced in the asoiaf universe even after ten thousands of yeas
Lack of mass education, constant warring, the lack of any combustible resources in mass like oil and coal, and probably magic making technology not a forefront.
Magic is why. There's less incentive for technology to advance when magic can do a lot of what technology did for people back in the days of when sciences started to advance for us. I think technology is also advancing at a good pace now since maesters have never had more power because of the downfall of valyria.
Author asthethics. Don't think too hard on it.
weather, they seem to be incredibly advanced in logistics and storage but poor in everything else because they have years of winter to plan for all the time
That’s just a thing in Fiction, Dark Souls tech stays the same throughout the games even though untold thousands of years pass, and in LOTR Saruman only starts using gunpowder as weapons after the world is like several thousand years old
Starks gathered magic. Married the daughters or wives of the men they killed. Their family history is so interesting
The Starks messed the Backwoods up.
Love ur videos
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Appreciate you Sariaea
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"The Fishers of Stony Shore" but go and put the sigil near the White Knife, bro stony shore is near where you put the Ryders
They were awesome then Ned became lord and choose honour before family
Could you do a video like this for the other houses by chance? Also did the Great Empire of the Dawn actually exist?
Thanks!
Very nice.
You meant conquerors not colonizers.
Brandon of the bloody blade being Brandon the builder dad or ancestor is a reach conspiracy
House Stark more than ok with killing off the men of most of their rivals, but the Boltons who have skinned their kin alive get off scott free?
Mind you, I don't agree that entire House's should be wiped out like that, not everyone from a family is the same or anything like that, my point is that I feel that the Boltons were the worst of the Stark's rivals almost continuously yet got off the easiest.
I've heard that before the Starks , there was a family who ruled the north called
Frost, that went extinct
Yep, as long as you bend the knee you'll live. Rebel Bolton Lords were smart haha. I honestly think the starks were almost savages and brutes they'd kill anyone who threatens them. Honor came to House Stark because out of fear of the Dragons😅
The Red Kings of House Bolton ⚔️
Wouldn’t it be crazy if Brandon the Builder wasn’t actually a Stark or even a man but instead a child of the forest who house stark revered for his contributions to the wall?
now that i think about it, the north is the only kingdom that has a east AND west coast, dorne kind of does but it's blocked by oldtown and the arbor whereas the north is basically above everything
I always wondered how the kingdoms of Westeros were divided before the times of the long night and what houses existed back then.
We remember
Brandon the builder didn´t start the Starks
he just build larg parts of winterfell (and the wall and stormsend)
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but the starks ruled for so long nobody knows when they started
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but brandon definitley didn´t just come from nothing
all houses are either slowly build over time
or they took stuff over (like the tyrells or lanisters)
Brandon the blades journey: no inns no castles no fucks given along the way baby
Slow down a lil bit an add some music 🎶 behind your speech 💬 👌 like the Chanel
I think in the books , future bride of stark's nephew will help them with her 3 giant lizards
I don't really understand the timeline. Brandon stark existed before the long night. But the long night lasted one generation. And Brandon should have died. But Brandon built winterfell.
They're all different people with the same name. There are 16 different Brandon Starks mentioned throughout the series and associated texts.
@@oxosoleilor the timeline is messed up on purpose cause how to round towers like storms end exist when the andals were never their
WC!!!!!
IMO, we need GOT animated series which follows the books the book word by word. Always found those anime recaps and these sketch too appealing for it to not be a series.
i ain’t ever been this early lmaoo
Conquest of people with shared heritage is not colonization. Conquest on it's own has nothing to do with colonization.
Word humans do what humans does
White hills I thought also worship the seven. Or I'm wrong?
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First to take the Black 🖤
I love the Starks to bits but damn it sounds like shit to grow up in them northern lands
Love your content! And the starks should have wiped out the Boltons.
Can you make a video on lannister conquest of westerlands
4:35 oh no, colonizers!
The boltons lands should’ve been halved after the greystark rebellion. and the new land should’ve been given to someone loyal to them. That way that new house would be forever loyal to them and the boltons fighting strength would be reduced. The boltons would also have to split their focus on 2 houses instead of just house stark.
House Bolton is still a Kickass House and one of the only Unchanged House in the Northern History even with their Psychotic and Brutal Tendencies unlike the Starks...
I'd say the Starks are still the same, just with a greater emphasis on their honorable side.
@@Darius-_ they did, it was just a more brutal sort of honor. Cregan Stark is a perfect glimpse into what “honor” meant to the starks before ned.
@@Darius-_Starks past honor in the past was basically like “You were strong in battle, we will only have half your family eaten alive by wolves instead of all of you”
Which is yknow, still a bit better than the Boltons right?
@@kingtorrhenstarkstark5311 I wouldn't go that far...
@@maylabrown4584 U said it perfectly 💯💯...
My favorite house in the North are Boltons. Such a bunch of nasty characters. Martin said there are no good or bad characters, only grey but he did them dirty.
Well he needed that, if they are not so horrified the today Starks would not be potrayed as an opposite.
On the other hand Boltons even oppressed they have a right to fight.
Bethany Bolton seems ok, lol.
Starks are punching bags
their conquers not colonizers
They are absolutely Colonizers bro...
@@dineshbalu6107what colony did they create?
@@dineshbalu6107colonizing would be north men landing it and making a home in essos they conquered not colonised
Every race and culture colonized… It’s human nature to expand.
Not all human cultures felt the need to expand or colonize
Did the Lannisters bribe you into making that thumbnail
Starks past is super bloody, he is right with the thumbnail.
@@thetalesofelbek7042 Lannister boot licker detected. Opinion rejected 🙅♂️
Starks are conquerors not colonizers theirs a big difference in the word.
The Starks are conquerors not colonizers. You can’t colonize people of the same culture as you
You can't colonize people you colonize lands smh
Oh no! Colonizers! What will the Indians think of me when they see a house stark poster in my room.
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Your mom was my first
@@thatiowan3581 D:
not the AI art…
See this is why I dislike the current Starks in GOT.. They should rename themselves as Arryns, Especially that Ned Arryn instead of Ned Stark, who forgot every single part of his History and changed his and his Family's lifestyle influenced by Jon Arryn's Honour, whose House words is literally "As High as Honour"...
The Starks are used to be just Dumb, Illiterate, Hotheaded Beings but with Terrible temper and Wild, Savage and Great Fighters, Builders and Leaders. Whereas the Current Starks in GOT are just honourable Fools with no Stomach for Brutality and Savagery that their Ancestors literally had for thousands and thousands of Years...
"There never lived a Stark who forgot an oath."
The Starks were renown for their honor during the Dance, almost 200 years before Ned met Jon Arryn.
No stomach for brutality? The starks use necessary brutality not excessive brutality. Enough to make an example for everyone, but not too much that everyone hates them. The starks are brutal, yes, even the modern starks with Ned forcing his children to watch him execute someone.
Furthermore STARKS are not dumb, illiterate, hotheads. They are smart and understanding rulers who honor they're work and the people under them. The reason why so many people follow the starks to this day is because the STARKS HONOR AND UNDERSTAND THEIR DUTY. If you want an example of brutal rulers look at Tywin and the Boltons.
Tywn was brutal, but the moment he died everyone around him suddenly wanted to kill the Lannisters because Tywin's brutality wasn't offset with honor or Charisma unlike the Starks.
Boltons, their brutality had led to many distrusting them to a point that they needed outside help from the Frey's and the Crown to even have the ability to rule over the North, something the STARKS didn't need because the lords under them liked their honor and respected their way of justice.
@@havok6280 Yeah they weren't Oathbreakers like many of them. But I wouldn't go as far as Honourable lol...
@@kingtorrhenstarkstark5311 Buddy, U r literally describing the Starks of Previous Gen lol. And that's exactly my Point as well. My point from the Start is this only, The Current Starks in GOT time are more Arryns than Ancient Starks. Period...
@@kingtorrhenstarkstark5311 And this dilemma was all started by your Boy Torrhen lol, The King who Knelt or should I say the Smartest Man in the Kingdoms or a Coward??
Unpopular Opinion : The Blackwoods should be rulers of the North...
Colonizers? You mean conquerors.
Love the videos and return to the genere but change the maps back wtf is that I need a magnifying glass to behold such finery cmon now wtf happened there