This is an example of why we're not supposed to pack anything Li-ion batteries in our checked bags!!! If they catch fire in the cabin, they can be extinguished. If they catch fire in the cargo bays, we better pray 🙏 they have a good smoke detection system, fire suppression system, and a really close airport to get down to fast!! Awesome job by this flight crew and ATC!! ❤
To be fair, there are literally billions of Li-ion batteries in use and problems with them are very rare all things considered. You can't eliminate all risk from anything
It amazes me how many times the EMERGENCY Aircraft is distracted from the issue at hand by repeatedly answering the same question over and over and over. They will one day distract an full plane to it's demise by getting shoe sizes of any handicapped infant on oxygen with a blue pacifier carrying hazardous materials. I offer a solution: Side band Squak NOS and current fuel based on verified data on same system giving data on NOS (number of souls on board) and live current fuel all verified by Base\Airline, Flight Crew, Ticketing\Booking, and flight computer or other live fuel sensor data# - sounds hard but I could do it or anyone reading this understanding signals planes maintain\emit. ONLY emitting in-circle public data such as NOS and fuel I digress
right!!!! Sometimes multiple times, and 100 computers in the system must know this info. have the fire service look it up on a special website. What are they going to do? , hold back some trucks? It's a 737, plan accordingly. Plus, it will be hours before they really need a head count, if something bad happens anyway
It’s ridiculous and someday it will cause a real problem! They need to change the protocol or something, perhaps record the souls, infants and hazmat as part of the a taxi or takeoff checklist and have it readily available to the pilots at all times, on display etc. Same with fuel and time conversion, it should be readily available and in the same place as the aforementioned. Really, the pilots should be able to just press a button to convey the info to ATC.
I feel like they could get NOS from company before the emergency aircraft is even on final. I’m fairly certain it’s part of the gate agents paperwork. As far as the fuel remaining, a simple computer program could give a close enough Talley for sequencing and rescue/fire suppression. If the Aircraft just departed, it’s gonna have X fuel based on where it was going plus company policy divert/excess. ARF and ATC would both benefit from a simplified system for fuel management.
Aviate, navigate, communicate in that order. If the pilots were task saturated, then they would not be expected to answer all of these questions. Even in emergencies, there are procedures that must be followed. And it's "its" - "it's" is a contraction of "it is".
@@baddrivingnyc I think the point you’re (contraction of you are) missing, which is hard to believe since you appear to know everything, is that the current “procedure” seems flawed and likely a relic of time when the “communicate” part from your hackneyed phrase was done with much less technology than (not then) that which is available now.
@@PabloGonzalez-hv3td my thought is an airtight box would snuff it out. And not talking everyone putting their devices in it just ones that catch on fire
It's only a matter of time before a battery fire takes down a plane. Someone will violate the checked bag ban and ignite a fire. And of course a ban on these batteries on planes will never happen because convenience must come before safety.
@@N1120A Of course. Batteries are everywhere. My point is that the risk is considered minimal but it isn't zero and these fires happen a lot even if still a very small percentage in the scheme of things. And we aren't going to ever get rid of all risks but usually the main reason is convenience. But given planes are flying gasoline and electrical systems there will always be risk.
it already happened in asia before, so they take it more seriously there. they check checked baggage thoroughly in china, your bags will not fly with batteries in them
@@N1120AHow are they stored? The batteries in the 787 are now mounted in a box that separates the cells and can vent in case of a thermal runaway. Such system would not be very convenient for cellphones and laptops.
Emergency handled beautifully by pilots & ATC. Great job all!
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This is an example of why we're not supposed to pack anything Li-ion batteries in our checked bags!!! If they catch fire in the cabin, they can be extinguished. If they catch fire in the cargo bays, we better pray 🙏 they have a good smoke detection system, fire suppression system, and a really close airport to get down to fast!!
Awesome job by this flight crew and ATC!! ❤
Thanks for finding the first part of the emergency, I couldn't. awesome!
👍👍👍 Thank you 🙂
Center controller was busy getting his Jimmy Johns order in, didn't have any time for emergencies
ATC: Any hazmat on board?
Pilot: Other than the other 181 cell phone batteries, no!
The infant will not have its own smart phone yet. But the pilots tablets also have batteries. j/k
The batteries are not really "hazmat". All they do is erupt in fire now and then.
To be fair, there are literally billions of Li-ion batteries in use and problems with them are very rare all things considered. You can't eliminate all risk from anything
I’d just start telling them to get the souls, fuel, hazmat from the previous controller every time they ask
They need it for the emergency crews! Hazmat needs to be handled different if they landed and a fire started back up!!!
@@Tomcat304 i 100% understand it’s needed ONE time. Not 4 times, every controller switch. During an emergency
Yep, exactly. Them asking the question over and over is just ridiculous.
@@Tomcat304 but the ATCOs are supposed to relay that information between units...
Hi. We are 190 people on fire. What runway? eh... I'm lazy
That was a quick upload
It amazes me how many times the EMERGENCY Aircraft is distracted from the issue at hand by repeatedly answering the same question over and over and over. They will one day distract an full plane to it's demise by getting shoe sizes of any handicapped infant on oxygen with a blue pacifier carrying hazardous materials.
I offer a solution: Side band Squak NOS and current fuel based on verified data on same system giving data on NOS (number of souls on board) and live current fuel all verified by Base\Airline, Flight Crew, Ticketing\Booking, and flight computer or other live fuel sensor data# - sounds hard but I could do it or anyone reading this understanding signals planes maintain\emit.
ONLY emitting in-circle public data such as NOS and fuel
I digress
right!!!! Sometimes multiple times, and 100 computers in the system must know this info. have the fire service look it up on a special website. What are they going to do? , hold back some trucks? It's a 737, plan accordingly. Plus, it will be hours before they really need a head count, if something bad happens anyway
It’s ridiculous and someday it will cause a real problem! They need to change the protocol or something, perhaps record the souls, infants and hazmat as part of the a taxi or takeoff checklist and have it readily available to the pilots at all times, on display etc. Same with fuel and time conversion, it should be readily available and in the same place as the aforementioned. Really, the pilots should be able to just press a button to convey the info to ATC.
I feel like they could get NOS from company before the emergency aircraft is even on final. I’m fairly certain it’s part of the gate agents paperwork. As far as the fuel remaining, a simple computer program could give a close enough Talley for sequencing and rescue/fire suppression. If the Aircraft just departed, it’s gonna have X fuel based on where it was going plus company policy divert/excess. ARF and ATC would both benefit from a simplified system for fuel management.
Aviate, navigate, communicate in that order. If the pilots were task saturated, then they would not be expected to answer all of these questions. Even in emergencies, there are procedures that must be followed. And it's "its" - "it's" is a contraction of "it is".
@@baddrivingnyc I think the point you’re (contraction of you are) missing, which is hard to believe since you appear to know everything, is that the current “procedure” seems flawed and likely a relic of time when the “communicate” part from your hackneyed phrase was done with much less technology than (not then) that which is available now.
I hope everything goes smoothly!
Its funny my dad was the first officer
Was that a 16.9 kt crosswind gusting 26.3kt? Goodness.
Somehow, haters or there will blame boeing for this :p
Was the phone a Samsung? Everything Korean seems to burst into flames; including my freezer at home. At least that wont fit in my carry on bag.＼(^^)／
Wasn't there talk at one time of putting an airtight metal box on planes for things like this
We do, but not metal boxes, rather fireproof bags.
That bag has to now be replaced after use. Hope they have one at Palm Beach, otherwise that plane isn't going anywhere. @SuperSulus
They have at least one bag on every flight for this.
An airtight box would create a bomb. And storing 100+ devices in a single container means the rest will catch fire when a single device goes up.
@@PabloGonzalez-hv3td my thought is an airtight box would snuff it out. And not talking everyone putting their devices in it just ones that catch on fire
The controllers really need to talk to each other asking the same questions over and over again
CNN still gonna blame the aircraft manufacturer somehow
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Has nothing to do with political affiliation. That has everything to do with people who just hate boeing.
It's only a matter of time before a battery fire takes down a plane. Someone will violate the checked bag ban and ignite a fire. And of course a ban on these batteries on planes will never happen because convenience must come before safety.
Um, do you realize airline crews rely on Lithium ion batteries for both service and navigation?
@@N1120A Of course. Batteries are everywhere. My point is that the risk is considered minimal but it isn't zero and these fires happen a lot even if still a very small percentage in the scheme of things. And we aren't going to ever get rid of all risks but usually the main reason is convenience. But given planes are flying gasoline and electrical systems there will always be risk.
Phones aren’t a convenience at this point unfortunately, and they need batteries to operate.
it already happened in asia before, so they take it more seriously there. they check checked baggage thoroughly in china, your bags will not fly with batteries in them
@@N1120AHow are they stored? The batteries in the 787 are now mounted in a box that separates the cells and can vent in case of a thermal runaway. Such system would not be very convenient for cellphones and laptops.