Im surprised Ganondorf wasnt on this list. He has amazing recovery, speed, and has been the best character in every game since melee. I can understand why though, as having a character that unstoppable on this list would be comparing a Tank to an ant.
I think fox is definetly better than pikachu overall. He's better in melee, 4, and ult, and is still really good in 64. It's only in brawl where fox is slightly worse, but he's still decent, being 13th on the most recent brawl community tier list (a tier list made by the community in Brawl Central). Pikachu was probably worse in Smash 4 than fox was in brawl, and pikachu was mid tier in melee as well.
I think if Pikachu was still considered the best character in Ultimate, he'd deserve to be the best character in all of Smash. But the hype around him seems to have died off, especially after Fighters Pass 2 finished, so yeah I can agree that Fox is better overall.
"Both iterations of the character have been really solid." I see what you did there. Edit: I still wonder how Snake ended up the third-heaviest character in Brawl, even being slightly heavier than Ganondorf, Charizard, and DeDeDe, and only being exceeded by Bowser and DK. Was it an error in the coding that was overlooked? Was Bowser originally going to be 140 units and 113 was upper middleweight by comparison and everyone in the upper tiers of weight was scaled down but Snake was mistakenly missed and left at 113? The world may never know.
Snake was initially going to be much bigger during Brawl's development, but it was changed last minute to make him about the same size as the other humanoid characters. However due to this change being last minute, a lot of aspects from this portrayal of the character was leftover in the game, namely his ridiculously high weight, his frame 9 jumpsquat (the largest in the series), the large amount of landing lag in his aerials, and his disproportionally huge hitboxes and KO power.
@@the_bookworm8281 This sounds very sensible, but his size modifier for Brawl was 1.08x, which implies that his model was initially smaller and made larger for the final release. Did Sakurai confirm that Snake was initially meant to be larger?
@@BirdieSenpai Upon further research, there doesn't seem to be any concrete evidence for him being larger during the game's development, only really rumors. There is a model adjustment through the empty bone called TopN, which hilariously enough resulted in some hitbox visual inaccuracies in the SmashWiki for PM Snake. The possibility is definitely there, and his other bizarre attributes contribute to this theory, but there is no conclusive evidence (no real evidence against it either). I doubt there is any possible to way to find out either, so how Snake in Brawl ended up the way he is will remain indefinitely unresolved.
@@the_bookworm8281 I appreciate the feedback, friend! I reckon we'll just be left to wonder unless and until someone directly asks Sakurai why Snake was so heavy and, even then, if he still remembers.
@@superkulty64 that's only one appearance for them, the other appearances outweigh the one bad one. Also Sheik on Brawl has good MUs against higher tier characters so she has that going for her.
@@mandalorianhunter1 even if it's one appearance and the goods outweigh the bad, it doesn't change the fact that Falcon and Sheik aren't consistently good in every Smash game due to Brawl unlike characters like Diddy, Marth, Fox and Pikachu where they have been good in every iteration since their introduction in their respective game (you can argue Marth doesn't fit that criteria due to him being outclassed by Roy and Lucina in Ultimate, but just like the video says, his archetype is incredibly consistent since his introduction in Melee). Yes Sheik may have good MUs against some high tiers in Brawl, but she's still underwhelming and not good in that game at the end of the day. Same for Falcon.
Not really. Mario is NOT a good character in Smash 64 and Melee because he's ALMOST considered to be a Low Tier character in both titles (especially in Smash 64). However, I can say that Luigi was pretty close to being good in most of the Smash titles except for Smash 64 and Brawl. However, I say that Luigi was pretty good in Melee and Smash 4 (especially in Melee). Keep in mind, that Mario is NOT supposed to EXCEL in any particular stats in the first place. I bet you're trying to say that Mario used to be a good character in Smash 64 and Melee, but he wasn't nearly as good as how he was perceived to be in the past. The only reason why Mario is good in Smash 4 and Ultimate is because that Sakurai finally decided to fix up his below average character abilities from the first three Smash titles. However, you're absolutely right that Mario was, indeed, severely nerfed from Melee to Brawl since he almost has no type of KO and recovery options in Brawl like how he originally had in the first two Smash titles back then. Overall, I say that his character abilities even became worse in Melee since both his KO power and Recovery got immensely nerfed as well.
If there is a video talking about the consistent worst characters in Smash, I think characters like Little Mac, Zelda and Ganondorf (sadly) deserve to be there.
Umm Honest Peach is high tier in Smash 4 without a doubt and the tier wasn't updated for the last year of Smash 4 where Peach was dominating tournaments.
@mandalorianhunter1 This is how I know you're not understanding what I'm saying he talked about Peach for about a literary minute. Maybe one and a half this section is so quick that I literally have no idea why you would want to correct it. If it was like a decided video on her, I would get you thought.
It's really awesome how two of my mains, Diddy and Lucina, have been consistently amazing throughout the entire series, even with the (admittedly understandable) nerfs the former received in Ultimate.
Honestly poor marth He needed the treatment corrin got in ultimate in both smash 4 and ult. However even if he got it in 4 corrin got it instead in ult.
Honestly its not even marth or the devs fault. Marth is still a really good character and if Lucina was not in the game I am 100% sure that marth would be a high ranked character. People just pretend he is bad because he is outclassed by Lucina.
@@kayden2119 . . . You realize lucina isnt even ranked as "that high" of a character anymore still not bad by any means but merely high tier like half the cast in this game. When your overshadowed by a mere high tier in a game where everyones high tier thats saying your bellow average. Same range as characters like PT,Terry,Mii Brawler, and only slightly above characters like Falcon or Byleth
@@Newbmann 90% of the cast is high tier. The only reason characters are labeled mid tier is because of usage. The game is very balanced you cant rank it the same way of other smash games.
imo fox doesn't have any bad moves in melee, they all have their own uses. fair is a combo starter and extender at mid-high percent, ftilt and downward angled ftilt are both good for catching people at ledge or just for funnies. forward throw is just bad but most characters don't have good fthrows in melee. don't understand why you put pika above fox overall but it's your video, well done
Fox, Pika. Good in all games(5 games) Fox is literally the perfectly made menace. Pika always has some bullshit that accompanies him whether it be chain grabs, chain aerials, gimping tools, recovery, etc. Marth, Sheik. Good in all games(4 games) Marth is his worst iteration right not but he’s nowhere near low tier. Even in brawl Sheik had a niche roll as a counterpick character. Smash 4 was her most dominant performance and in ultimate we are able to see what she’s truly capable of in the hands of people like VoiD. MK, ice climbers, zero suit. Good in all games(3) It’s MK. Ice climbers and zss are both on the worst iterations right now but my own bias thinks I’ve climbers will become a problem in the future in the right hands. Zss may not be as good as her smash 4 version but being as fast as she is, it’s impossible to say she’s anywhere below high tier.
Fox and Pikachu: two of the oldest smash Brothers characters out of the original 12 and the most consistently good. Regardless who you put first these two will always be at top
10:20 - I disagree. Marth has tools to be as good as or better than Roy but it's that the majority of players look at him incorrectly and select the wrong options. It's sad because Marth has the aMSa Yoshi effect...being ranked lower than what he actually is granted amsa put in WAY more technical work with Yoshi- the Ultimate scene is FAR lazier when it comes to pushing a character to their limits. Ultimate players are more trendy
I agree 100%. I think he is way better than people give him credit for, but people do not play him correctly and throw out the worst options. The amount of times I see Marth mains miss out on a kill combo opportunity, just to throw out a stale forward air for the millionth time.... ugh.
@@Spyder-Marth yeah, how many times have you seen a Joker dash attack Marth and not get up smashed for it? If a Diddy, Sora, Mario, peach, fox, or bayo, and even pit, dash attack me. That's a free up smash and death at 120%. They also need to understand opponent tendencies. I learned this from ppmd, and some mindset encouragement when I met Zain in person at Shine. I'm looking for ideas with Marth outside of Ultimate. Thanks for agreeing
Marth is still really good in Ult - he’s just not easy to use so who would even bother using him when there are unga bunga characters in Ult who are better than him?
@@SonicTheCutehogsame with 4 and ult to a degree,he's probably the only not meta knight chatacter that can do up air to up air without breaking a controller and spindash is at it's best with the floaty engine and his aireals actually had less landing lag in brawl than 4.He was great just oushined and he didn't need chain grabs to win.
Hey all, Scott he- wait a minute...
Shovelware!!!!
Honest content ere, i’ll be honest my ass is not scotty the wozzy
Really appreciate you bringing up how Marth wasn't always good in smash 4 and was steadily buffed into being the version we ended up with
Im surprised Ganondorf wasnt on this list. He has amazing recovery, speed, and has been the best character in every game since melee. I can understand why though, as having a character that unstoppable on this list would be comparing a Tank to an ant.
You right, tbh I hope they nerf Ganondorf in the next Smash Game, make him a low tier for once, like jeez.
I think fox is definetly better than pikachu overall. He's better in melee, 4, and ult, and is still really good in 64. It's only in brawl where fox is slightly worse, but he's still decent, being 13th on the most recent brawl community tier list (a tier list made by the community in Brawl Central). Pikachu was probably worse in Smash 4 than fox was in brawl, and pikachu was mid tier in melee as well.
I think if Pikachu was still considered the best character in Ultimate, he'd deserve to be the best character in all of Smash. But the hype around him seems to have died off, especially after Fighters Pass 2 finished, so yeah I can agree that Fox is better overall.
"Both iterations of the character have been really solid."
I see what you did there.
Edit: I still wonder how Snake ended up the third-heaviest character in Brawl, even being slightly heavier than Ganondorf, Charizard, and DeDeDe, and only being exceeded by Bowser and DK. Was it an error in the coding that was overlooked? Was Bowser originally going to be 140 units and 113 was upper middleweight by comparison and everyone in the upper tiers of weight was scaled down but Snake was mistakenly missed and left at 113? The world may never know.
Idk makes sense to me, dude is built different. He's solid af
Snake was initially going to be much bigger during Brawl's development, but it was changed last minute to make him about the same size as the other humanoid characters. However due to this change being last minute, a lot of aspects from this portrayal of the character was leftover in the game, namely his ridiculously high weight, his frame 9 jumpsquat (the largest in the series), the large amount of landing lag in his aerials, and his disproportionally huge hitboxes and KO power.
@@the_bookworm8281 This sounds very sensible, but his size modifier for Brawl was 1.08x, which implies that his model was initially smaller and made larger for the final release. Did Sakurai confirm that Snake was initially meant to be larger?
@@BirdieSenpai Upon further research, there doesn't seem to be any concrete evidence for him being larger during the game's development, only really rumors. There is a model adjustment through the empty bone called TopN, which hilariously enough resulted in some hitbox visual inaccuracies in the SmashWiki for PM Snake. The possibility is definitely there, and his other bizarre attributes contribute to this theory, but there is no conclusive evidence (no real evidence against it either). I doubt there is any possible to way to find out either, so how Snake in Brawl ended up the way he is will remain indefinitely unresolved.
@@the_bookworm8281 I appreciate the feedback, friend! I reckon we'll just be left to wonder unless and until someone directly asks Sakurai why Snake was so heavy and, even then, if he still remembers.
Pikachu, Fox, Marth, Falcon, Diddy, Sheik, Peach are the most consistent Smash characters.
Falcon in brawl tho..
You forgot about Brawl Falcon and Brawl Sheik being bad, so they're not consistent.
@@superkulty64 that's only one appearance for them, the other appearances outweigh the one bad one.
Also Sheik on Brawl has good MUs against higher tier characters so she has that going for her.
@@csGX64 that's only one bad appearance, other places he is top tier, high tier and high mid.
@@mandalorianhunter1 even if it's one appearance and the goods outweigh the bad, it doesn't change the fact that Falcon and Sheik aren't consistently good in every Smash game due to Brawl unlike characters like Diddy, Marth, Fox and Pikachu where they have been good in every iteration since their introduction in their respective game (you can argue Marth doesn't fit that criteria due to him being outclassed by Roy and Lucina in Ultimate, but just like the video says, his archetype is incredibly consistent since his introduction in Melee). Yes Sheik may have good MUs against some high tiers in Brawl, but she's still underwhelming and not good in that game at the end of the day. Same for Falcon.
I swear Brawl messed up so many characters: Sheik, Mario, Falcon, etc
Otherwise those 3 would be good in every Smash game
Not really. Mario is NOT a good character in Smash 64 and Melee because he's ALMOST considered to be a Low Tier character in both titles (especially in Smash 64). However, I can say that Luigi was pretty close to being good in most of the Smash titles except for Smash 64 and Brawl. However, I say that Luigi was pretty good in Melee and Smash 4 (especially in Melee). Keep in mind, that Mario is NOT supposed to EXCEL in any particular stats in the first place. I bet you're trying to say that Mario used to be a good character in Smash 64 and Melee, but he wasn't nearly as good as how he was perceived to be in the past. The only reason why Mario is good in Smash 4 and Ultimate is because that Sakurai finally decided to fix up his below average character abilities from the first three Smash titles. However, you're absolutely right that Mario was, indeed, severely nerfed from Melee to Brawl since he almost has no type of KO and recovery options in Brawl like how he originally had in the first two Smash titles back then. Overall, I say that his character abilities even became worse in Melee since both his KO power and Recovery got immensely nerfed as well.
Bro thinks he's Scott the Woz
Scott The Wozz Outro for an intro???
I actually didn't know Scott used that song, I just thought it was a banger, Scott the goat tho lol Good music taste.
If there is a video talking about the consistent worst characters in Smash, I think characters like Little Mac, Zelda and Ganondorf (sadly) deserve to be there.
Uh dude peach is a high tier in ssb4 plus she was rising in the end of that games life span
Is that the song for the guy that own Madden ?
Nah, it's from GEX
the scott the woz music is crazy
Umm Honest Peach is high tier in Smash 4 without a doubt and the tier wasn't updated for the last year of Smash 4 where Peach was dominating tournaments.
When does he even talk about smash 4 peach he talks about her for like a minute lol
@@gridenboat He said she was a mid tier when she was considered a high tier and I would honestly say she deserved to be higher.
Please pay attention.
@mandalorianhunter1 This is how I know you're not understanding what I'm saying he talked about Peach for about a literary minute. Maybe one and a half this section is so quick that I literally have no idea why you would want to correct it. If it was like a decided video on her, I would get you thought.
@@gridenboatWell, it would affect the rankings, wouldn’t it?
It's really awesome how two of my mains, Diddy and Lucina, have been consistently amazing throughout the entire series, even with the (admittedly understandable) nerfs the former received in Ultimate.
loved the vid, but my monkey brain kept thinking the video was ending at the start cause of the scottthewoz song
Wow, it's very sirreal seeing you on honest content video. Love your work, man.
What's the song playing in the beginning intro?
Okay, Sakurai's bias shows here.
Pikachu in brawl also had the best matchup against meta knight, being meta knight's only 50/50 matchup
Where is scott the woz?
HEY ALL SCOTT HERE
Honestly poor marth
He needed the treatment corrin got in ultimate in both smash 4 and ult.
However even if he got it in 4 corrin got it instead in ult.
Also can we all agree now corrin is better than lucina fight me on this I dare you
Honestly its not even marth or the devs fault. Marth is still a really good character and if Lucina was not in the game I am 100% sure that marth would be a high ranked character. People just pretend he is bad because he is outclassed by Lucina.
@@kayden2119 . . .
You realize lucina isnt even ranked as "that high" of a character anymore still not bad by any means but merely high tier like half the cast in this game.
When your overshadowed by a mere high tier in a game where everyones high tier thats saying your bellow average.
Same range as characters like PT,Terry,Mii Brawler, and only slightly above characters like Falcon or Byleth
@@Newbmann 90% of the cast is high tier. The only reason characters are labeled mid tier is because of usage. The game is very balanced you cant rank it the same way of other smash games.
Holy shit Scott the Woz
Bro thinks he's scott
imo fox doesn't have any bad moves in melee, they all have their own uses. fair is a combo starter and extender at mid-high percent, ftilt and downward angled ftilt are both good for catching people at ledge or just for funnies. forward throw is just bad but most characters don't have good fthrows in melee. don't understand why you put pika above fox overall but it's your video, well done
One of the best things about Brawl Pikachu is that he's the best counter to Meta Knight (unless it's a Meta Knight banned tournament)
Fox, Pika. Good in all games(5 games)
Fox is literally the perfectly made menace.
Pika always has some bullshit that accompanies him whether it be chain grabs, chain aerials, gimping tools, recovery, etc.
Marth, Sheik. Good in all games(4 games)
Marth is his worst iteration right not but he’s nowhere near low tier.
Even in brawl Sheik had a niche roll as a counterpick character. Smash 4 was her most dominant performance and in ultimate we are able to see what she’s truly capable of in the hands of people like VoiD.
MK, ice climbers, zero suit. Good in all games(3)
It’s MK.
Ice climbers and zss are both on the worst iterations right now but my own bias thinks I’ve climbers will become a problem in the future in the right hands. Zss may not be as good as her smash 4 version but being as fast as she is, it’s impossible to say she’s anywhere below high tier.
Edit: Forgot Diddy. Good in all games(3 games).
Bananas.
amazing vid handsome content, loved learning about 64 fox fair
Long Live 64 Fox Fair, I miss it.
Imagine if project m 3.0 diddy kong mewtwo lucas pit or even sonic were in the melee meta it literally would have been crazy
hearing this song gave me whiplash
"This game blows"
Fox and Pikachu: two of the oldest smash Brothers characters out of the original 12 and the most consistently good.
Regardless who you put first these two will always be at top
another day another video to sleep to (this is a compliment don’t block me please)
don't worry bro, you're allowed to.
I would also say that meta knight is pretty consistent. He was pretty good in all three games he's in
In Ultimate, he kinda sucks balls.
Very good in one
@@Pennsylvaniapride- pretty good in one, very good in one, and the best character in the entire series on one
@@TheRedStinger82 the ladder combos🔥🔥🔥
Im going to predict it, its Gannondorf.
Ikr he is so good
Guys, 3D Dot Games Hero's "Breakout" has finally found a new host.
10:20 - I disagree. Marth has tools to be as good as or better than Roy but it's that the majority of players look at him incorrectly and select the wrong options. It's sad because Marth has the aMSa Yoshi effect...being ranked lower than what he actually is granted amsa put in WAY more technical work with Yoshi- the Ultimate scene is FAR lazier when it comes to pushing a character to their limits.
Ultimate players are more trendy
I agree 100%. I think he is way better than people give him credit for, but people do not play him correctly and throw out the worst options. The amount of times I see Marth mains miss out on a kill combo opportunity, just to throw out a stale forward air for the millionth time.... ugh.
@@Spyder-Marth yeah, how many times have you seen a Joker dash attack Marth and not get up smashed for it?
If a Diddy, Sora, Mario, peach, fox, or bayo, and even pit, dash attack me. That's a free up smash and death at 120%.
They also need to understand opponent tendencies. I learned this from ppmd, and some mindset encouragement when I met Zain in person at Shine.
I'm looking for ideas with Marth outside of Ultimate. Thanks for agreeing
Marth is still really good in Ult - he’s just not easy to use so who would even bother using him when there are unga bunga characters in Ult who are better than him?
Pikachu in melee was actully considered a mid to low tier character at the start of melee
Bro really hit us with the famous intro
I’d say Sonic is pretty consistent. He was arguably a high mid tier in brawl, and then just became broken in 4 and ultimate.
He was D tier in brawl iirc
Sonic was terrible in Brawl. His moveset straight up didn't work.
@@SonicTheCutehog Sonic could cook in brawl, it took a lot of investment though.
@@SonicTheCutehogsame with 4 and ult to a degree,he's probably the only not meta knight chatacter that can do up air to up air without breaking a controller and spindash is at it's best with the floaty engine and his aireals actually had less landing lag in brawl than 4.He was great just oushined and he didn't need chain grabs to win.
I was so thrown off from the intro song
Ay man will you ever talk about rivals of Aether
Sheik
15:10 cmon bro I'm sure ur cracked
You forgot like, a lot of people.
As soon as your video started I said out loud “Music choice”
Chaler andy I like it
I know somebody commented ( First )
I see you used a song i recommended for you zach during the Snake part!
it was a good song haha
Take a shot for every time he says character
new mic?
How does it sound?
why do you find the need to showcase your face and body in between video content? is it really needed?
Dude it’s sometimes so hard to pay attention to the convo because you’re just too cute 😅 haha. Great content though, keep it up!
Pikachu is the absolute king of smash (first so nobody else says it)
Hmmmmm mid
pikachu is like the spoiled child when it comes to smash
@@PaperGraysterYT sonic ?
@@Mr.D0rAdE326 sonic wasn’t very good in brawl so i say pikachu is more spoiled
Fox is bad in smash 4 and. smash Bros ultimate