It seems they don't think it threw well enough and then they overthink it. Can't imagine what it would be like to be investigator and here the same crazy cover-up stories over and over again.
Imagine hooking up with an old flame at your high school reunion only to discover they're a psycho who dumped bags of their own kid's intestines on the side of the road
“You had a right not to testify and you’re up here testifying. I get a right to ask you questions whether you like them or not soooo let’s keep going” That’s my boy right there
This woman threw her son away with a coke bottle. Imagine thinking that your son was worth the same as an empty coke bottle. Absolutely disgusting. I love the bitter sarcasm in these videos, but these small details just exemplify how evil these people are.
She drugged her son, killed him, cut him up, and put him in garbage bags. Is the coke bottle really this thing that shows you how little she values him? I mean, even without the coke bottle we're already down to 0. Hmm.. in my state a coke bottle is worth a 5 cent return. So arguably she valued her son 0.05.
I was watching a Scary Mysteries video the other day about two families who did the same. The friends kept pushing and the cops didn’t listen so they did it their self. And another supposedly family tied one son to the bed for an “exorcism “ . He died of dehydration and THEN they called the ambulance. Like WTF!!
I thought the same thing.. I wish I could turn back the hands of time and save him. So badly.. She fed directly into his worst fears and brought them to life. As mothers, our job is to eliminate those fears and anxieties.. My 2nd oldest is in his 20s, has anxiety and calls me when it gets bad. I am his calming force. His tie to reality and putting his anxieties into perspective. When my kids were younger, it was my job to hug them and tell them their fears were just that, and would never be anything more, while tucking them in at night.. Not.. this.. 😭
I love her flip from sad to totally normal when she was told they found her son's body, "Oooo my son!" Then, the officer, "Did he have friends in St. Clair County?" Her, sitting up, responding normally, "Not really."
It breaks my heart that she would dispose of her son like trash. Meanwhile my mom still breaks down about losing my brother 2 years ago. What we wouldn’t do to have him back with us. Some people don’t deserve kids.
My mum lost her first born, and my brother 17 years ago this year and still breaks down and can't cope because of it. I dont understand how people can do this to their children 😪
@@alijeffery1810 It's horrific, but some people were never meant to, or wanted, children. I almost feel like more people should be psychologically evaluated before having babies, like for adoption. Also, I am very sorry for your loss, and I hope your mum is doing alright, given her pain.
I am going out fighting. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Pretty sure the adrenaline at that point would make me more dangerous than a lion on meth.
This has happened to over 60 million babies in the US alone. But the “mothers” are the ones paying the “doctors” to cut up the piir babies from the womb.
As a son of a mom I drove crazy for decades and made cry with worry way too many nights, I don't understand it either. I wished and told her to let go and just forget about me. She didnt. She couldn't. Things have been ok to even good and sometimes very good now for 20 years. Almost brings a tear to my eye
This lady is insane. She is manipulative and cruel. I can't imagine someone who could live with themselves after they killed their own son. RIP Ramsay.
15:21. That's the fastest I've ever seen a crying mother regain her composer after hearing her child is dead. Almost as if....she's faking it for the police.
It's a textbook sign of guilt. It's easy to fake an emotion, but it's very difficult to fake an emotion when you're given a task to complete or asked a question. As soon as she was asked a question she lost the ability to fake her sadness.
You forgot to mention she probably killed her husband with a lethal dose of morphine..and blamed her kid for a missing vile of said morphine. The kid blamed her for his father's death. Pretty important info
I guess you just cant dig deeper, when you really dont have normal feelings. Like any. In the trial she keeps making the crying face, but no tears, no real emotion behind it. She just cant fake it any better. It was only matter of time she got caught, priceless.
I’m always amazed when people look in random bin bags. never once in my life have been driving, seen bin bags on the side of the road and though “ ooooo whats in there?” And this happens so many times in these types of cases
I think it's probably because she was seen dumping them. There's a Huge fine for dumping around Michigan, if someone sees someone dumping they usually go thru it (if it's in their nosey nature) to find mail or something personal with a name to be able to call cops and get em charged for littering
My old apartment complex used to have maintenance dig out bags from the bigger bins and find mail... My ex husband dumped some trash (before I moved there) and mailed it back to him with a warning not to dump there again
The person who found the bags actually saw what was in them because they were so haphazardly thrown on the side of the road without a care. He didn’t say because RUclips censorship, but the person calling in the bags said that they drove by and had to do a double take because they saw trash bags with a human head and limbs sticking out of it.
Right? I was a pretty healthy person until whilst at university I became disabled. My mum took me in and looked after me, and the thought of someone in her position being able to do something like this is horrifying.
I know right?! I mean, after the gruesome discovery in the first bag, what would prompt anyone to even go near a second bag??!! Just, get on the phone and dial 911 already!! Well, now that person has a first hand visual of what a severed head in a garbage bag looks like...something, she can't unsee.
Sometimes when confronted with something so awful..the human mind refuses to accept it initially. She probably felt compelled to do so simply to prove it was not what she thought she saw. Poor lady.
@speedierllama My skin crawls when I think of people like you who think that killing and gutting innocent animals is acceptable and ok. ''It's the intestines of brutally murdered person? Awful!'', ''It's the intestines of a brutally murdered animal? Meh, another Tuesday.'' Disgusting.
@@shroomer8294 Just trying to get into the criminal mind, she had to report him missing bc of the probation officer. She definitely messed up with the remains and incriminating paperwork though. Poor fella. I cannot imagine having that woman as a mother or home nurse.
The prosecutor is just really pissed at her stupidity, "you had a right not to testify, but you did, i have a right to ask questions and for you to answer them" - SAVAGE!!
Seriously ... It's edited and possible she'd been mourning his presumed death since he'd been missing. The video alone wouldn't lead me to convict her one way or another BUT I don't care how much time passed in that edit, a Mom getting news her son died would at the very least have a tremble in her voice or show some emotional distress.
I know, right? They just told her the dismembered body that had been all over the news was her child, and she acted like she'd just been told her favourite co-worker was quitting.
Bill Cataldo is a fantastic prosecutor...another great trial with him as prosecutor is the James Vankeller trial...he murdered a 14 year old girl...the trial is on youtube...it's fantastic
The woman that pulled over who spotted the trash bags along the side of the road must have been terribly inquisitive because most people would just keep driving.
Where I live many would stop and pick it up to take to the dump, because we don't like garbage on the road. We also don't live where we have road crews to do this , we have litter plucks several times a year to clean up our roadways.
It's sad, but a lot of people put puppies and kittens in a bag or box, then put them in the road or throw them out their car window. To them it's easier to do that, than it is to take care of them or find them a home. I saw a car hit a bag in the road one time, and I'll never forget the whining sound the puppies made. Now I stop to check any bags or boxes I find in the road. One time my friend found a box of kittens in the road on his way to school, so the principal let him bring the kittens to class so that he could take them home with him later. It's better to waste 30 seconds checking, than it is to wonder if you let small animals get murdered for a week afterwards.
@@annika_panicka I was wondering if she didnt call the police right away because she thought they were animal intestines, like waste from a slaughterhouse or just a dead wild animal decaying or something, but then idk why she stopped to check the other bags if she didn't suspect something bad...
"He forced me to go to Lowes to buy a saw and then forced me to go back to ask how it worked!" I just hate it when the person holding me hostage makes me run errands for them.
When Mike first said "long term illness" regarding the Dad, my spidey senses tingled. It only went downhill from there. Why are people so awful? What a terrifying and tragic tale.
The very sad things about this, is she was likely the cause of ALL his issues, and he never could get away from her, -her control, blaming, guilt games. She messed the poor boy up all he wanted was his mother to love him, instead she killed him. POOR BOY. :(
This. If this is true (which probably would be because most of the times people have mental issues because of their parents and circumstamces in the family) she sounds like someone with narcissistic disorder. A narcissistic parent causes so much pain to the kids, they will always say for your own good, they want you to be better, and you try to please them but is NEVER ENOUGH. They start by controlling you, and id you don't do what they say or start to confront them, they beging with the guilt trip and NEVER aknowledge their faults. And because they are The Parents, brcause they raised you and had you, it means that you have to live for them and they have your life in their hands. This woman took it literally, the guy wanted to get out of her grasp and she decided to end him because his life was hers.
Well no, but I do feel that often from serious abuse, trauma and emotional confusion many a so-called personality disorder has presented from it or added to the severity of them on their spectrum, then chemical and other body chemistry factors in too.
Police: “Did he kill himself and you disposed of him out of shame?” Donna: “No, that’s not plausible, it was actually a man who broke into the house and hid in my car and made me do all of this and and and and...” ...she got lobbed the softest of balls and not just missed but missed so hard she spun out of the park.
No, she wasn't being lobbed anything. That's an extremely common tactic police use to get suspects to start confessing to what they believe is a lesser crime. If the suspect does that, then all they need is to get back "cause of death" as "homicide" from the coroner and the entire legal case has just been served on a platter.
@@amityislandchum Exactly. And in this case, besides the copious Xanax in his system, he had the signs of strangulation. It's feasible that he could have hung himself, but she'd have to answer really fast what he tied the rope to, and they'd probably be able to tell if that structure had had a giant man hanging from it, etc.
@@dootdoot94xo44 Nobody said they were on her "side." Admitting the suicide/disposal thing would give her the FALSE sense of an easier lie to uphold than this absurd "intruder" one, but of course that would just trick her into at least admitting her own decision to dispose of the body. And really if she HAD done that, it might have secured her with a relatively short prison term, if the police couldn't also get her to admit to murder (and they couldn't prove it). But....and this is what the OP is saying ..... by sticking with the whackadoodle story with ZERO evidence to support it, then the only logical truth was that she murdered AND dismembered the victim. You need to tone it down with the "wtf you're talking about" stuff anyway. Sorry if you 've had some sh!tty treatment from cops, but that doesn't mean everybody else thinks cops are teddy bears.
It's been especially funny to watch their mass public manipulation fail as hardly anyone trusts major news networks anymore and major networks like CNN are getting trolled.
Yeah, people often assume because of media that they're all geniuses However while they're manipulative they're often bad at it since their narcissism and delusions of grandeur mean they think everyone is stupid and that they're a genius
Some of us are! Lol that’s why as many as they caught there’s tons or at least a few that haven’t been because they just didn’t have a human “slip” Hopefully we never get robotic psychopaths otherwise we def won’t be catching them.
Yes, I had Hep C for 37 yrs and 5 yrs ago I imported drugs from India and cured it. Absolutely brilliant that I got to do that as my brother ended up dying because he'd been drinking with it for decades and he started the drugs but died before he could finish the course😢 It's a shame he lost his Dad who probably acted as a buffer with his mother.
I miss three people who died from Hep C back in the day - two musicians (shared needles) and one prisoner (shared safety razor, of all things.) All great talents and very amusing.
This case highlights that people with mental health issues are often vulnerable to abuse by their “care givers”. Mental illness is frequently stigmatised and those affected painted as dangerous when the reality is that they are more likely to be victims than perpetrators. It doesn’t help that it is often misused by defence attorneys in order to mitigate a criminals culpability. That awful woman probably abused that poor kid all his life and may have contributed to his issues. I feel so sorry for Ramsay - can you imagine the torment of not being able to trust your own senses and judgement due to schizophrenia and then having to deal with/process that your mother is trying to harm you as well as knowing people are unlikely to take your concerns seriously. Torturous.
Mental health issues or not, he was dangerous... not taking his meds, assault, fights, etc. I have diagnosed mental health issues and yet I know better to leave people alone - I don't act out in anger nor put myself in knowingly dangerous situations. Having mental health issues does not mean one is not dangerous (nor is) nor is protected from culpability for their behaviors nor from criticism. I do not ever advocate the killing of another human being unless it is solely as defense for one's own life in immediate jeopardy. However, unless you personally have had to be surrounded by, living with or legally responsible for someone with mental illness as severe as his, then you have no clue what that is like for the average person - the toll is horrendous. This does not take away from his mother's evil, but comments like yours are one-sided and unrealistic. RIP Ramsey.
@@ejc1692 You're absolutely correct. This is exactly why we need better (i.e. universal) healthcare in the US. Most families don't have the resources, knowledge, or patience to handle caring for a severely mentally ill relative for life. 50% of schizophrenics in the US end up homeless because of this.
@@ejc1692 For someone who claims to have diagnosed mental health issues, you sure seem to like to contribute to the stigma that continues to harm people who suffer from them. Masha Spikego did not claim that "Having mental health issues does not mean one is not dangerous (nor is) nor is protected from culpability for their behaviors nor from criticism" so I don't know what you're going on about. They were right about what they actually did say; that people with mental illnesses are often vulnerable to abuse by those who are supposed to take care for them, that statistically they are more likely to be the victims of abuse than the perpetrators of it, and that stigma of mental illness often portrays people with mental illness of being inherently violent and dangerous.
@@rebekahfield4083 They are not possessed by demons. Please stop believing that and saying that. They are human beings who are suffering from a condition through no fault of their own and they need understanding, compassion, and assistance.
Imagine birthing a child. Raising them until there older and then hacking them to pieces. The insanity it takes to contemplate let alone follow through with it is unfathomable.
@@melanie6296 Because many sane people like to study unbalanced people who are very different to them, so they don't understand the mindset. They gain insight & understanding into others who aren't sane. It helps them understand the world around them, as well as stay more safe & healthy.
"Nobody could think of a motive" - I think the female officer nailed it during the interrogation. Donna wanted to get rid of a burden to get her life back.
She’d found a new love and Ramsey would’ve jeopardized that new relationship on several levels. She never liked Ramsey, husband/protection was gone; motive. Simple. Surprised Mike didn’t connect the dots on the motive issue. 😎👍🏻
Most judges wouldn’t tolerate this conduct from a prosecutor. Lecturing, arguing with and cutting off witnesses mid-answer is improper. Judges tend to stop that crap sua sponte.
@@cc99556 yes... I just commented on another thread that the prosecutor was being a dramatic dick at times. Esp annoying when he'd yell at her and then turn toward the camera. Like freaking Matlock- atty- drama, but IRL.
"Donna Mama" - I just love you, Mike! You always sprinkle in bits of humor and fun comments while simultaneously keeping a respectful tone. You're a very talented man! 🙂
Why didn’t she get rid of the guardianship if she no longer wanted to look after her son, there are organizations and people put in place to look after people like him, they’ll even help him live an independent life on his own while making sure he takes his meds and get the help he needs, what she did was so unnecessary, it’s like she wanted to control him but not have the responsibility of looking after him, this case disturbing as hell man, absolutely sick, I couldn’t do that to anyone than alone my own child smh
Some people can't take not looking like the perfect mom/dad. She was probably upset that people would talk about her if she left him. So killing him was the other option. I know some narcissistic folks who wouldn't go this far, I think, but would rather die before being thought of as less than perfect.
For real. Many police officers do feel sympathy for some of the people who they arrest, human-to-human, but it’s their job to get you to confess and accept their decisions. *SAY NOTHING.* *GET A LAWYER.*
It shows how smart these people think they are. A normal person would hear that and see it for what it was, then call a lawyer before saying another word. The murdering psychopath thinks they'll just toy with the person and laugh internally. Dear psychopaths, you aren't always the smartest person in the room.
Man hearing that Ramsay, 32, was taking his meds and trying to get his life on track hits me a bit weird. I'm 30, turning 31 this year, and I am not a very accomplished adult. Still living with the parents and all that, though I like to think (hope) I am in much luckier circumstances (ideally I don't die after this post lolol). Like him, I also have mental illnesses that had negative impacts on my life, and I didn't have a great relationship with my parents (I kinda still don't, but we have an olive branch sort of as I stay with them for the time being). I started therapy a little over a year ago and it's been helping a lot. I have a long way to go but a whole year made more of a difference that I thought it would; I actively like myself more now than who I was before I started. My mental illnesses naturally still like to pop in to ruin things, but I've been managing them better than I used to. I don't know what's ahead in my life but I feel a little more prepared to face it. It almost feels like I have another chance at life sort of way. So it's extra sad to hear that someone so close to my age, who was also working on themselves and efforts seem to reflect that, only to have it all just...taken away from him.
Best of luck, always take your meds if you’re on them and make sure to keep regular visits with qualified professionals no matter how much you don’t want to.
How are you doing now? I’m 31 turning 32 and feel the same way. My 20’s were destroyed by going nuts and while it was kind of fun it set me back and now in my 30’s I feel like I have a second chance
@@Yowzer122 idk how i missed this originally but 9months later reply: I'm doing alright. There's been a lot of changes lately. My brother and I have just moved in together so right now I'm adjusting to that. Still in therapy, still taking meds, and I'll be visiting friends in another state in a month. It's a lot/kind of overwhelming right now due to all that, so some old coping habits come in - but even then I can tell it's nowhere near like how I would've handled this much load prior, which is wild to think about sometimes. Thanks for asking!
@@willissudweeks1050 Hey I'm turning 32 this year too! I feel like not much has changed since I made that post, but when I started listing out what's been going on now in another comment, clearly, some things have changed a bit. I've just moved in with my brother so we're adjusting to that and still got...lots of unpacking to do... Also got a trip to see friends in a month. I'm still in therapy and still taking meds. Still have things to work on, but even since my original post, I feel like I've made progress mentally. Also still feel like there's a long way to go but I suppose if change/improvements were easy or fast, we'd have a lot more people doing it lol. After I return from seeing friends + finish unpacking, I'm thinking of trying to spend time looking for new work/skills. Thank you for asking! I hope things go well for you on your end. I'm also glad to see I'm not alone.
The Judge should have kept the prosecutors behavior professional. She's a rotten pos but they still have to follow the rules of the law & have good behavior in the Court room.
@@michelledan7218 not the DA s job to punish anyone before they are convicted, I said she is a pos. She will be in jail for life once the jury finds her guilty. You can't have lawyers acting like a fool in court. What if she was found not guilty ?
The prosecutor seemed like he didn’t take his meds that morning and didn’t drink his cup of coffee ; and that’s a good thing, he ripped that stupid wench crone to shreds.
when the masked man was supposedly forcing her to watch him kill her son, Donna detailed how horrible it was and how Ramsey desperately called out to his brother as he died. so the prosecuter (mvp) was like, "why didnt he call to his mother who was right there to help him?" fuckin' rekt.
I was half expecting to hear a "clunk" of her lawyers head hitting the table as he just gives up on life when she was digging herself ever deeper with that cross examination and her story 😂
She didn't look so much angry as she did stupid, she knew what she was saying it was a load of Bull so she had a stupid look on her face. Her own body language gave her away.
I am impressed! All of Mike's videos are like a well written essay. He has good organization, details, and humor. His videos are always fun to watch. They always reinforce the idea that humans souls can be troubled and dark.
I've had issues with mental disorders after some major events, nobody believed me when I would describe my mom. Eventually they did, and finally got her sober and help she needed. She's much better now.
Who does this, though!? Who stops on the side of a rural road, nearly snow bound, and looks in discarded trash bags? Omg! That's just asking for trouble. 😳😭 Treacherous, nasty mother.
@bob builder there’s a difference between garbage picking and going through a bag in a random ditch but okay lol. & you don’t know anything about my socioeconomic status so not sure why you feel the need to bring that up 🤷🏼♀️
@bob builder I grew up salvaging things from dump yards and evolved into dumpster diving for furniture when I was young enough to not mind to mending and clean up, so I didn't mean it to come across as being snooty. It's just there's salvaging and recycling and then there's neighborhood nibshitting. 😉 The lady wasn't suggested as doing anything other than looking into the discarded bags. Luckily, she wasn't collecting them or doing a highway cleanup, or everything (evidence) may have been contaminated.
@Zippity Dodah, I am.not American. The job of the defence lawyer is to object, whether there is actually something to object to. Also by yelling at the murdering "mother", the prosecutor was trying to trip her up in her lies.
@@BudhagRizzo, if the prosecutor was badgering her too much, the judge would have constantly pulled him up on it. The judges' role is to make sure that both lawyers do not bully any witnesses or criminals.
@@karaleetrapp It's the Defense's job to object to the badgering. Perhaps it was the Defense's intention to make the Prosecution look bad by allowing the badgering, because honestly they really didn't a good case.
The prosecution absolutely slaughtered her on the stand, I don't know that I've ever seen such a wild cross examination before. "I wouldn't let you anywhere near my kids, lady." Is one of my favorite lines from him lol
Why doesn't *NETFLIX* pick these up and pay Mikey to do em? I consume a *TON* of true crime across all platforms, and these are by far the most entertaining and well put together. I don't know what kinda resources Mike has, but just imagine if he had basically an unlimited budget and endless resources at his disposal from one of these streaming platforms!!
He s absolutely fantastic. I love how well researched his facts are and his “easy-going” way of telling those stories almost seems like he’s talking directly to each member of his audience. He knows how and where to be funny without ever disrespecting the victim. ❤️
sadly there would most likely be a riot bc he doesn't delivers it like it were his own family that got murdered. Bet many many snowflakes would be butthurt. Better keep it like this...though i sure would be happy for him if he went out with some bags of cash.
"trying to piece this together" after the discovery of body parts. someone was looking for a laugh while writing up that teleprompter there's no way that was an accident
Anybody else agree that Mike is able to fit more facts in his 20 min videos than other crime shows do in 60 mins? AND he makes it funner to watch. Little bits of humor mixed in with the facts. JUST THE FACTS! LOVE THAT CHAPTER! My #1 True Crime to watch on RUclips! THANKS Mike!
I don't know why everyone keeps saying there's no motive when she clearly stated that she wanted to move out of the state but couldn't because she had to take care of her son
She could have just left him behind. It would have been an awful thing to do but a lot less evil than chopping the poor boy up and tossing him out like trash. I'll never understand the decision to kill as a way to "move on". Such disordered thinking
Tonya Brookes I don’t think it would’ve been awful, he would’ve been better off, it was her narcissism that kept her from doing it “there’s no way he could live without me“
She is terrifying. Something about her eyes......I feel so bad for her son. All those troubles on TOP of having an evil mother. And now her eldest son has lost literally everyone. It's just tragic :(
My theory: she wanted to start a new life and she knew that having a son with that illness will not going to make her enough attractive to any man. She wanted a “fresh start” without any burden.
You don't know what it means to live with a child with a mental disease that is refusing medication. I did it for 23 years and in the end I feared for my own sanity. I literally ran away to another country where he will never find me. She obviously made an unhealthier choice but to a certain extent I understand how she was driven to it. Her son obviously had anger issues and the nearest person is always the first they take them out on. I feared for my own life more than once. It was probably the same with her.
Unless it's in self-defense, no, I don't think murder is ever the answer. Let the person rot in jail. And she dismembered the body - that's not self-defense, that's horrific.
I don't know what's weirder, pulling over to see what's inside some bin bags on the side of the road, or just driving off again when you realise it's just a bag of internal organs 😅
She literally said he made her dismember her son then said "you don't have his dna on me." After days of cleaning and him missing. She's 100000% guilty no questions.
And she planned it out and had him out of it on Xanax. She was probably wrapped head to toe in plastic that she later burned/disposed of so of course she’s going on and on about that…so careful, but didn’t think about the coke bottle! Ugh so terrible…
Honestly. The small details of Mike's editing is appreciated, at least by me. The interview of the officer, when it zoomed in on his mouth when he said "son", is fantastic. It's the little things....
I am disabled and have to continue to rely on a nurse's aide who ran up $2,000 in fraudulent charges to my debit card (Two months worth of my limited income). I can't even fire her though cause I can't find any other caregivers. I wouldn't put it past her to try to overdose me. I watch my meds like a hawk now.
@@jaysmok2893 I pray you are soon able to get someone good to replace her. No one should have to live like that. I hope she was arrested and prosecuted for stealing from you. Don't be afraid to seek justice, because things have a way of working themselves out for the best.
Apparently there's something called "duper's delight", where someone who is lying will be smiling, pleased with themselves that they're manipulating someone.
The crazy thing is, if he had died of an overdose, she might have got away with it because of Ramsay's previous history with depression and drug abuse (terrible to say, but it certainly seems plausible). Dismembering and disposing of him shows how much she resented and hated him. It was unnecessarily, unthinkably cruel
@@frogdeity you most certainly can, that’s how my sister in law ended up half dead in the ER. She wasn’t trying to milk herself just get high. It was really scary she stopped breathing and was dead for a minute or two.
Seems like she needed to be in control of everyone around her. Narcissists tend to see their children as objects, not people, so once he was ready to fly the nest she wouldn't have had a use for him. And what do we do with things we don't need anymore? We throw them into the trash. Narcissists should never have children.
@Owney The Killer Madden Narcissists look at people as liabilities when they no longer can use them for their benefits. With a narcissist it's all about them.
Narcissists destroy their children at an early age bcs they don't communicate and mirror them in their first years, and they have lack of empathy. For narcissists, everything is about winning, control and themselfs.
That's not entirely how narcissistic personality disorder works. Narcissists can not supply their own ego, and they have very poor self worth with no internal mechanism to fix that. So they can only supply their ego from the outside, usually using whoever is closest to them. A feeling of control over others works best for filling that void. If their ego supply is lost, their first response will be desperation to get it back. They become extremely desperate and needy. This will involve multiple calls/texts, guilt trips, attention seeking behavior, creating 'situations' that they need help with, feigning helplessness or victimhood, financial shenanigans, literally anything to force the supply back into their life. Once this fails, then they'll seek an alternative supply, which only works for a short time before everybody in their lives gets annoyed enough to ghost them. It is only once their supply is truly gone and a replacement can not be found, and their ego finally becomes fully depleted, that they lose self control. They will spiral into severe depression, experience deep envy of others who have happy relationships and try to take it out on them, they'll have bouts of rage, and many will have delusions of grandeur and/or mania during which they try to re-inflate their ego. So it wasn't that she was trying to throw him away. It's the opposite. She was so desperately needy of him that she lost all self control when he denied her.
No motive? By the sound of it, she was just about to lose, or just recently lost guardianship of her son. That means that the very controlling mother, is about to lose control of something she can have control over. She didnt have control over having a heart attack or losing her husband. Facing the fact that she could lose guardianship... I think she took the route she could have control over. Does that make any sense?
Yes, but I have a narcissistic mother. So yeah. Sometimes the narcissistic mother will take out her rage on her child because somebody else did something to her.
@Jimmy Bufferz That's exactly what I was thinking the motive was as well. With Ramsay out of the picture, she could make the big move to Texas with enough cash after selling the condo and no commitments so she could start again with her old flame.
I'd guess she wanted a new life with the new man without the burden of the son & his MH issues. I've known mother's dump children with difficulties on the state because the new partner did an 'it's me or them' ultimatum.
I'm extremely fortunate too. My daughter aswell. Nothing but unconditional love ❤️. Donna is a creature you have to be human to have ethics and compassion which Donna did not
@@ughicanteven5896the mother does not directly kill the baby, the abortionist does but this doesn't mean she is not responsible for the death of her unborn child. That'd be like saying Hitler did not kill millions of Jews simply because he did not kill them directly, but did give the orders.
My mother left me when I was eight, and whilst she is a shitty mother, she certainly didn’t do this. I’m glad I have the mother I have, in this instance lol.
you have some of the best story telling and editing skills i have ever seen. your videos are some of the only videos on this platform that i watch from beginning to end. the way you gather all the facts and use them to tell a linear story while also sprinkling in your commentary is awesome. im a long time subscriber. ive seen all your videos. and i anxiously await your next uploads every week. i just wanted you to know how talented i think you are and how much i appreciate your content. thanks!
i think it's easy to underestimate how good his editing skills are until you imagine the mammoth task of piecing all the parts together like he does and making it all flow so seamlessly. Also, the music he chooses, his timing, everything... ..is just perfect! Especially this year, we need Mike's Tuesday and Friday highlights in our lives.
Donna: "Oh my son"
Also Donna: So anyways
“So anyways I started blastin”
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I noticed that...
Was gonna comment the same thing.
Right!? I was like, yeah that seemed super genuine..... She might as well have just said, "I killed my son."
She didn’t even bother actually calling his phone to make her story more credible. Thank God most murderers are totally stupid.
It seems they don't think it threw well enough and then they overthink it. Can't imagine what it would be like to be investigator and here the same crazy cover-up stories over and over again.
The scary thing is they probably aren't. The problem is that only the stupid ones get caught...
That does always help
@@steveolotu52 yeah man. Its crazy to think about how many unsolved murders there are. Around 40%, i believe is the number, that go unsolved. 😬
Eye mayde aye samwitch ent ayt eet. Eet mayde mee faurt
Imagine hooking up with an old flame at your high school reunion only to discover they're a psycho who dumped bags of their own kid's intestines on the side of the road
I was thinking the same thing...wtf.
Crazy
Yeek!
Happens to me all the time.
I hate when that happens.
“You had a right not to testify and you’re up here testifying. I get a right to ask you questions whether you like them or not soooo let’s keep going”
That’s my boy right there
This woman threw her son away with a coke bottle. Imagine thinking that your son was worth the same as an empty coke bottle. Absolutely disgusting. I love the bitter sarcasm in these videos, but these small details just exemplify how evil these people are.
Sorry I don't throw empty coke bottles into nature
She drugged her son, killed him, cut him up, and put him in garbage bags. Is the coke bottle really this thing that shows you how little she values him? I mean, even without the coke bottle we're already down to 0. Hmm.. in my state a coke bottle is worth a 5 cent return. So arguably she valued her son 0.05.
Bottles are worth 10 cents here
I was watching a Scary Mysteries video the other day about two families who did the same. The friends kept pushing and the cops didn’t listen so they did it their self. And another supposedly family tied one son to the bed for an “exorcism “ . He died of dehydration and THEN they called the ambulance. Like WTF!!
What do you mean "these people"!?!??!?
Imagine being an individual with paranoid schizophrenia and actually being right about someone poisoning you.
...and imagine that nobody believes You. 😨
Boy. Wolf. Cry. Etc. Its a real thing in this case.
Lovely profile photo btw
@BotanistRM Parkinson good call.
I thought the same thing.. I wish I could turn back the hands of time and save him. So badly.. She fed directly into his worst fears and brought them to life.
As mothers, our job is to eliminate those fears and anxieties.. My 2nd oldest is in his 20s, has anxiety and calls me when it gets bad. I am his calming force. His tie to reality and putting his anxieties into perspective. When my kids were younger, it was my job to hug them and tell them their fears were just that, and would never be anything more, while tucking them in at night..
Not.. this.. 😭
Her response to “Your son is dead” was fascinating. She couldn’t be assed to pretend to be upset for more than a few seconds
Yes, it was odd. I guess she didn't want to be accused of being overly dramatic.
I rewinded that a bunch of times and laughed. She’s an idiot
How does the cop not laugh at her terrible acting, is my question.
I love her flip from sad to totally normal when she was told they found her son's body, "Oooo my son!" Then, the officer, "Did he have friends in St. Clair County?" Her, sitting up, responding normally, "Not really."
That was hilarious. She is a jackass
"Please wait for a question to answer.."
"Aw no, let her talk..."
Prosecuting lvl 9000
@ 25:07 btw :D BOSS move for sure XD
🤣
It breaks my heart that she would dispose of her son like trash.
Meanwhile my mom still breaks down about losing my brother 2 years ago. What we wouldn’t do to have him back with us.
Some people don’t deserve kids.
I'm sorry for your loss. I hope your mum finds peace someday soon.
And you are 100000000% right. Some people don't deserve to have kids.
@@imthinkingaboutagooduserna8531 thank you, you are lovely💙
My mum lost her first born, and my brother 17 years ago this year and still breaks down and can't cope because of it. I dont understand how people can do this to their children 😪
@@alijeffery1810 It's horrific, but some people were never meant to, or wanted, children. I almost feel like more people should be psychologically evaluated before having babies, like for adoption.
Also, I am very sorry for your loss, and I hope your mum is doing alright, given her pain.
Love to you and your mum, hon. I'm so sorry.
If someone killed my child and told me to dispose of the body or they would kill me, I’d be dead.
Same
Or they would be dead. Either way I will either die or kill them.
I am going out fighting. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Pretty sure the adrenaline at that point would make me more dangerous than a lion on meth.
@@8bubblez8 ^ This. Exactly this.
@Jacob Grace -Well, if that’s true for Nune, it’s definitely true for you as well.
As the mother and guardian of three adults with special needs, I don’t understand how ANY parent could do this. It makes me furious.
Bless you my dear ... there's a place reserved in heaven for people like you.
Where you think the son got all his mental illness from?
This has happened to over 60 million babies in the US alone. But the “mothers” are the ones paying the “doctors” to cut up the piir babies from the womb.
Bless you. I could never. If I found out my child would be mentally handicapped and I. Still allowed to abort, thats what I'd do.
As a son of a mom I drove crazy for decades and made cry with worry way too many nights, I don't understand it either.
I wished and told her to let go and just forget about me.
She didnt. She couldn't.
Things have been ok to even good and sometimes very good now for 20 years.
Almost brings a tear to my eye
This lady is insane. She is manipulative and cruel. I can't imagine someone who could live with themselves after they killed their own son. RIP Ramsay.
Yeah, it's like, no wonder poor Ramsay was unstable, look who his mother was!
She’s not even manipulative, she’s totally unconvincing!
What was even the point? Did she get any benefit from this (financial or otherwise??)
People like that can justify anything
@@simonlee9993 control.
15:21. That's the fastest I've ever seen a crying mother regain her composer after hearing her child is dead. Almost as if....she's faking it for the police.
Man, the way she cut it on & off... faster that a high-dollar faucet.
my thoughts exactly.
I laughed at how quickly she regained her composer, it’s so incredibly fake
It's a textbook sign of guilt. It's easy to fake an emotion, but it's very difficult to fake an emotion when you're given a task to complete or asked a question. As soon as she was asked a question she lost the ability to fake her sadness.
Came to say this! I was thinking I hope the video is cut and she’s not that stupid 😂
"Your whole testimony has been hearsay. Don't talk to me about hearsay!" Possibly my favorite prosecutor line ever, he's fantastic 😂
I was very impressed with this prosecutor’s line, as well! He was treating this evil woman exactly how she deserves.
I think he was channeling Pacino,,, :-)
Prosecutor was a tool though. To obnoxious
@@peepbo3964 She killed her kid.....and chopped him up, was he supposed to be NICE to her?
He really gave it to her and I loved every minute of it
Imagine being Ramsey's brother. All of his immediate family gone. In such a horrible way.
Hope he has a happy marriage and kids.
He does. And he cut off all contact with his evil mother for good.
You forgot to mention she probably killed her husband with a lethal dose of morphine..and blamed her kid for a missing vile of said morphine. The kid blamed her for his father's death. Pretty important info
I was looking for someone else who thought this.
Didn't he die of his disease though? Or was that just assumed?
@@pegs1659 ppppp
@@pegs1659 ppppppppppp
He died in open heart surgery
Donna: Oh, my son...
Me: Donna, honey, you’re gonna have to hit us with that line again, and this time with a little more feeling.
Exactly who gets accused of killing and dismembering their son and casually says “I guess I better get myself a lawyer”
I guess you just cant dig deeper, when you really dont have normal feelings. Like any. In the trial she keeps making the crying face, but no tears, no real emotion behind it. She just cant fake it any better. It was only matter of time she got caught, priceless.
Agreed. She needs Quentin Tarantino to bring out the true actress inside her.
Lmaoooooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Right? It's like, she didn't even TRY to give a shit.
"Oh my son!" She says in a crying, whining voice.
Police ask, any friends in St Claire county? "Not really" she answers perfectly normal...
Yeah that was so obvious. She isnt a good actress
I’m always amazed when people look in random bin bags. never once in my life have been driving, seen bin bags on the side of the road and though “ ooooo whats in there?” And this happens so many times in these types of cases
I think it's probably because she was seen dumping them. There's a Huge fine for dumping around Michigan, if someone sees someone dumping they usually go thru it (if it's in their nosey nature) to find mail or something personal with a name to be able to call cops and get em charged for littering
My old apartment complex used to have maintenance dig out bags from the bigger bins and find mail... My ex husband dumped some trash (before I moved there) and mailed it back to him with a warning not to dump there again
Might be kittens or puppies
Conscientious Citizen
The person who found the bags actually saw what was in them because they were so haphazardly thrown on the side of the road without a care. He didn’t say because RUclips censorship, but the person calling in the bags said that they drove by and had to do a double take because they saw trash bags with a human head and limbs sticking out of it.
This case hits really hard, a vulnerable person being killed and then gruesomely disposed of by the person they trusted most 😔 RIP Ramsay
Right? I was a pretty healthy person until whilst at university I became disabled. My mum took me in and looked after me, and the thought of someone in her position being able to do something like this is horrifying.
Yeah it's a doozer
tbf, he didn't actually trust her at all. He thought she killed his dad.
Elena Johnson he didn’t trust her
@@flyingtentacle7631 I was thinking the same thing 🤔
Imagine being the woman who found the bag with the intestines in it and having the cojones to check out the second bag
I know right?! I mean, after the gruesome discovery in the first bag, what would prompt anyone to even go near a second bag??!! Just, get on the phone and dial 911 already!!
Well, now that person has a first hand visual of what a severed head in a garbage bag looks like...something, she can't unsee.
I don’t understand what prompted her to look in the first one 🤷🏼♀️
Sometimes when confronted with something so awful..the human mind refuses to accept it initially. She probably felt compelled to do so simply to prove it was not what she thought she saw. Poor lady.
I was just wondering WHY would she check the bags in the first place
Maybe 2nd hand free stuff?
@speedierllama My skin crawls when I think of people like you who think that killing and gutting innocent animals is acceptable and ok. ''It's the intestines of brutally murdered person? Awful!'', ''It's the intestines of a brutally murdered animal? Meh, another Tuesday.''
Disgusting.
"You had the right not to testify, and you chose to testify. So I have the right to ask you questions!"
Prosecutor is a savage
Probably wouldn’t have been caught if she didn’t report him missing and dumped the remains.
Prosecutor is a dancer for justice.
He reamed her good. Made her look like a fool
whether you like them or not so let's keep going! 😂
he was on a roll and I loved every minute
@@shroomer8294
Just trying to get into the criminal mind, she had to report him missing bc of the probation officer. She definitely messed up with the remains and incriminating paperwork though.
Poor fella. I cannot imagine having that woman as a mother or home nurse.
The prosecutor is just really pissed at her stupidity, "you had a right not to testify, but you did, i have a right to ask questions and for you to answer them" - SAVAGE!!
"We believe it's your son"
*Oh, my son* X(
"Did he have friends up there?"
*Not really* :)
Your use of emoticons killed me omg
Yeah, she was clearly.quite devastated by the news.
This is the only acceptable use of using X as a pair of eyes. Good job.
Seriously ... It's edited and possible she'd been mourning his presumed death since he'd been missing. The video alone wouldn't lead me to convict her one way or another BUT I don't care how much time passed in that edit, a Mom getting news her son died would at the very least have a tremble in her voice or show some emotional distress.
She was like an NPC from oblivion
1 second of “crying” & she’s back to normal lol
"Oooh my son", literally one second later "anyway what were we talking about"
It sounded like a hungry cat meowing
I know, right? They just told her the dismembered body that had been all over the news was her child, and she acted like she'd just been told her favourite co-worker was quitting.
Typical psycho killer
Still a better actor than Nicholas Cage
that lawyer is so animated i love his ENERGY
Look how bored she looks as he's berating her.
Look likes Einstein
@@crescentmoonchild4031 I thought so too lmao
He talks a bit like Al-Pacino.
Bill Cataldo is a fantastic prosecutor...another great trial with him as prosecutor is the James Vankeller trial...he murdered a 14 year old girl...the trial is on youtube...it's fantastic
Criminal tip #1: “The masked intruder did it and I survived, story” works 0% of the time.
The woman that pulled over who spotted the trash bags along the side of the road must have been terribly inquisitive because most people would just keep driving.
Where I live many would stop and pick it up to take to the dump, because we don't like garbage on the road. We also don't live where we have road crews to do this , we have litter plucks several times a year to clean up our roadways.
It's sad, but a lot of people put puppies and kittens in a bag or box, then put them in the road or throw them out their car window. To them it's easier to do that, than it is to take care of them or find them a home. I saw a car hit a bag in the road one time, and I'll never forget the whining sound the puppies made. Now I stop to check any bags or boxes I find in the road. One time my friend found a box of kittens in the road on his way to school, so the principal let him bring the kittens to class so that he could take them home with him later. It's better to waste 30 seconds checking, than it is to wonder if you let small animals get murdered for a week afterwards.
I would have had followed and blackmail her until the cows got to new zealand.
After opening one and finding human body parts, did she really need to inspect the rest before calling the cops? 😳🤢
@@annika_panicka I was wondering if she didnt call the police right away because she thought they were animal intestines, like waste from a slaughterhouse or just a dead wild animal decaying or something, but then idk why she stopped to check the other bags if she didn't suspect something bad...
That prosecution lawyer is having more fun tearing that story apart than I've had in my entire life.
Her defense attorney just silently let it happen...
"he kept me locked up and murdered my son, i was so scared."
"he also let me off scot free when he wanted some groceries."
Right!! That doesn't even make sense.
Of course, what is the guy to do when there no food she likes in the fridge...sorry he lol
@@paintingforpennies9454 She doesn't sound sane, either.
"He forced me to go to Lowes to buy a saw and then forced me to go back to ask how it worked!"
I just hate it when the person holding me hostage makes me run errands for them.
🤣🤣
When Mike first said "long term illness" regarding the Dad, my spidey senses tingled. It only went downhill from there. Why are people so awful? What a terrifying and tragic tale.
The very sad things about this, is she was likely the cause of ALL his issues, and he never could get away from her, -her control, blaming, guilt games. She messed the poor boy up all he wanted was his mother to love him, instead she killed him. POOR BOY. :(
This. If this is true (which probably would be because most of the times people have mental issues because of their parents and circumstamces in the family) she sounds like someone with narcissistic disorder. A narcissistic parent causes so much pain to the kids, they will always say for your own good, they want you to be better, and you try to please them but is NEVER ENOUGH. They start by controlling you, and id you don't do what they say or start to confront them, they beging with the guilt trip and NEVER aknowledge their faults. And because they are The Parents, brcause they raised you and had you, it means that you have to live for them and they have your life in their hands. This woman took it literally, the guy wanted to get out of her grasp and she decided to end him because his life was hers.
@@tiquismistica9417 Yes, it's true and tragically sad. Maybe not an excuse, but definitely a reason.
And possibly made him take pills since his youth
I don't think someone's behaviour can cause schizophrenia.
Well no, but I do feel that often from serious abuse, trauma and emotional confusion many a so-called personality disorder has presented from it or added to the severity of them on their spectrum, then chemical and other body chemistry factors in too.
Police: “Did he kill himself and you disposed of him out of shame?”
Donna: “No, that’s not plausible, it was actually a man who broke into the house and hid in my car and made me do all of this and and and and...”
...she got lobbed the softest of balls and not just missed but missed so hard she spun out of the park.
Seriously
No, she wasn't being lobbed anything. That's an extremely common tactic police use to get suspects to start confessing to what they believe is a lesser crime. If the suspect does that, then all they need is to get back "cause of death" as "homicide" from the coroner and the entire legal case has just been served on a platter.
@@amityislandchum Exactly. And in this case, besides the copious Xanax in his system, he had the signs of strangulation. It's feasible that he could have hung himself, but she'd have to answer really fast what he tied the rope to, and they'd probably be able to tell if that structure had had a giant man hanging from it, etc.
@@dootdoot94xo44 Nobody said they were on her "side." Admitting the suicide/disposal thing would give her the FALSE sense of an easier lie to uphold than this absurd "intruder" one, but of course that would just trick her into at least admitting her own decision to dispose of the body. And really if she HAD done that, it might have secured her with a relatively short prison term, if the police couldn't also get her to admit to murder (and they couldn't prove it). But....and this is what the OP is saying ..... by sticking with the whackadoodle story with ZERO evidence to support it, then the only logical truth was that she murdered AND dismembered the victim.
You need to tone it down with the "wtf you're talking about" stuff anyway. Sorry if you 've had some sh!tty treatment from cops, but that doesn't mean everybody else thinks cops are teddy bears.
JCS "This is what the how and why solution"
I love how psychopaths think we’re stupid.
Yeah! Like tossing the trash bags out on the side of the road! Ummmm.... Black bags on white snow! Guess she outsmarted all of us!
It's been especially funny to watch their mass public manipulation fail as hardly anyone trusts major news networks anymore and major networks like CNN are getting trolled.
Yeah, people often assume because of media that they're all geniuses
However while they're manipulative they're often bad at it since their narcissism and delusions of grandeur mean they think everyone is stupid and that they're a genius
Some of us are! Lol that’s why as many as they caught there’s tons or at least a few that haven’t been because they just didn’t have a human “slip”
Hopefully we never get robotic psychopaths otherwise we def won’t be catching them.
It's as if they have no idea that many have been caught before them! Like oh no I got this they'll never know it was me..
Re: his dad. We can cure hepatitis C now. My heart hurts for all those who couldn’t get life saving treatment. Ramsey may still be here as well
Yes, I had Hep C for 37 yrs and 5 yrs ago I imported drugs from India and cured it. Absolutely brilliant that I got to do that as my brother ended up dying because he'd been drinking with it for decades and he started the drugs but died before he could finish the course😢 It's a shame he lost his Dad who probably acted as a buffer with his mother.
I was thinking the same, very sad.
I miss three people who died from Hep C back in the day - two musicians (shared needles) and one prisoner (shared safety razor, of all things.) All great talents and very amusing.
This case highlights that people with mental health issues are often vulnerable to abuse by their “care givers”. Mental illness is frequently stigmatised and those affected painted as dangerous when the reality is that they are more likely to be victims than perpetrators. It doesn’t help that it is often misused by defence attorneys in order to mitigate a criminals culpability. That awful woman probably abused that poor kid all his life and may have contributed to his issues.
I feel so sorry for Ramsay - can you imagine the torment of not being able to trust your own senses and judgement due to schizophrenia and then having to deal with/process that your mother is trying to harm you as well as knowing people are unlikely to take your concerns seriously. Torturous.
Mental health issues or not, he was dangerous... not taking his meds, assault, fights, etc. I have diagnosed mental health issues and yet I know better to leave people alone - I don't act out in anger nor put myself in knowingly dangerous situations.
Having mental health issues does not mean one is not dangerous (nor is) nor is protected from culpability for their behaviors nor from criticism. I do not ever advocate the killing of another human being unless it is solely as defense for one's own life in immediate jeopardy.
However, unless you personally have had to be surrounded by, living with or legally responsible for someone with mental illness as severe as his, then you have no clue what that is like for the average person - the toll is horrendous. This does not take away from his mother's evil, but comments like yours are one-sided and unrealistic. RIP Ramsey.
@@ejc1692 You're absolutely correct. This is exactly why we need better (i.e. universal) healthcare in the US. Most families don't have the resources, knowledge, or patience to handle caring for a severely mentally ill relative for life. 50% of schizophrenics in the US end up homeless because of this.
@@ejc1692 For someone who claims to have diagnosed mental health issues, you sure seem to like to contribute to the stigma that continues to harm people who suffer from them. Masha Spikego did not claim that "Having mental health issues does not mean one is not dangerous (nor is) nor is protected from culpability for their behaviors nor from criticism" so I don't know what you're going on about. They were right about what they actually did say; that people with mental illnesses are often vulnerable to abuse by those who are supposed to take care for them, that statistically they are more likely to be the victims of abuse than the perpetrators of it, and that stigma of mental illness often portrays people with mental illness of being inherently violent and dangerous.
Schizophrenics can tell you very intelligent things, because they are Demon possessed; and Demons feed them intelligence.
@@rebekahfield4083 They are not possessed by demons. Please stop believing that and saying that. They are human beings who are suffering from a condition through no fault of their own and they need understanding, compassion, and assistance.
Prosecutor: "Ahh no, let her talk"
He was happy to let her dig her own grave haha
Well she didn't dig the first grave so....
Imagine birthing a child. Raising them until there older and then hacking them to pieces.
The insanity it takes to contemplate let alone follow through with it is unfathomable.
Why would anyone sane person imagine that?
they’re*
@@melanie6296 Because many sane people like to study unbalanced people who are very different to them, so they don't understand the mindset. They gain insight & understanding into others who aren't sane. It helps them understand the world around them, as well as stay more safe & healthy.
"Nobody could think of a motive" - I think the female officer nailed it during the interrogation. Donna wanted to get rid of a burden to get her life back.
Which is particularly infuriating when you think of how much a burden she was to ramsey
More like she wanted to dispose of him out of pure hate because he defied her nonexistent authority over him.
Yep. Life insurance & fresh start in her hometown is my guess.
Control freak-killing someone is the ultimate decision. Also she could play for sympathy.
She’d found a new love and Ramsey would’ve jeopardized that new relationship on several levels. She never liked Ramsey, husband/protection was gone; motive. Simple. Surprised Mike didn’t connect the dots on the motive issue. 😎👍🏻
Definitely a psychopath. She doesn’t know how to act remorseful or even cry- she has zero emotion. Very chilling
She couldn't even fake cry when they told her they found her dead son.
Oh my son
Pills will do that to people. Take away all emotions
Total psychopath.
Imagine doing this and not practicing to at least attempt to be convincing.
i did not know prosecutors could actually act that way in a real trial lmao. What a badass
They can ask questions however they want within reason of course
Most judges wouldn’t tolerate this conduct from a prosecutor.
Lecturing, arguing with and cutting off witnesses mid-answer is improper. Judges tend to stop that crap sua sponte.
@@cc99556 yes... I just commented on another thread that the prosecutor was being a dramatic dick at times. Esp annoying when he'd yell at her and then turn toward the camera. Like freaking Matlock- atty- drama, but IRL.
@@rebeccav4478 and she didn’t deserve that why?
@@BiLLz66614 where did I say she didn't deserve it? I'm saying it was annoying to me personally. Bad acting.
"Donna Mama" - I just love you, Mike! You always sprinkle in bits of humor and fun comments while simultaneously keeping a respectful tone. You're a very talented man! 🙂
Why didn’t she get rid of the guardianship if she no longer wanted to look after her son, there are organizations and people put in place to look after people like him, they’ll even help him live an independent life on his own while making sure he takes his meds and get the help he needs, what she did was so unnecessary, it’s like she wanted to control him but not have the responsibility of looking after him, this case disturbing as hell man, absolutely sick, I couldn’t do that to anyone than alone my own child smh
I wonder if she was getting a monthly check for him being under her "care"?
I'll I know is she is a massive POS.
I wonder if she had life insurance on him
Some people can't take not looking like the perfect mom/dad. She was probably upset that people would talk about her if she left him. So killing him was the other option.
I know some narcissistic folks who wouldn't go this far, I think, but would rather die before being thought of as less than perfect.
Love this prosecuter he needs to prosecute every murderer 😂
She's a major fruitcake...and even too lazy to come up with a story that might have made a little sense .
“We know you are not a bad person...” police talk when they want to butter you up. Lol
For real. Many police officers do feel sympathy for some of the people who they arrest, human-to-human, but it’s their job to get you to confess and accept their decisions. *SAY NOTHING.* *GET A LAWYER.*
It shows how smart these people think they are. A normal person would hear that and see it for what it was, then call a lawyer before saying another word. The murdering psychopath thinks they'll just toy with the person and laugh internally. Dear psychopaths, you aren't always the smartest person in the room.
also "maybe he just killed himself, right?"
@@pursang833 not true. Even innocent people continue talking to the detectives.
Edit: bastard cops are trained to manipulate people.
Look for the video "never talk to the police". Needless to say, never talk to the police, call your lawyer.
"Don't talk to _me_ about hearsay,
Your _whole testimony_ is hearsay."
I saw the bailiff was amused by that, too. lol
Think I know who the masked man was, was an Indian named Tonto with him ?
@@zebratangozebra what...???
Man hearing that Ramsay, 32, was taking his meds and trying to get his life on track hits me a bit weird.
I'm 30, turning 31 this year, and I am not a very accomplished adult. Still living with the parents and all that, though I like to think (hope) I am in much luckier circumstances (ideally I don't die after this post lolol).
Like him, I also have mental illnesses that had negative impacts on my life, and I didn't have a great relationship with my parents (I kinda still don't, but we have an olive branch sort of as I stay with them for the time being).
I started therapy a little over a year ago and it's been helping a lot. I have a long way to go but a whole year made more of a difference that I thought it would; I actively like myself more now than who I was before I started. My mental illnesses naturally still like to pop in to ruin things, but I've been managing them better than I used to.
I don't know what's ahead in my life but I feel a little more prepared to face it. It almost feels like I have another chance at life sort of way.
So it's extra sad to hear that someone so close to my age, who was also working on themselves and efforts seem to reflect that, only to have it all just...taken away from him.
Best of luck, always take your meds if you’re on them and make sure to keep regular visits with qualified professionals no matter how much you don’t want to.
Hey. How you doing today @Kaida W?
How are you doing now? I’m 31 turning 32 and feel the same way. My 20’s were destroyed by going nuts and while it was kind of fun it set me back and now in my 30’s I feel like I have a second chance
@@Yowzer122 idk how i missed this originally but 9months later reply: I'm doing alright. There's been a lot of changes lately.
My brother and I have just moved in together so right now I'm adjusting to that. Still in therapy, still taking meds, and I'll be visiting friends in another state in a month.
It's a lot/kind of overwhelming right now due to all that, so some old coping habits come in - but even then I can tell it's nowhere near like how I would've handled this much load prior, which is wild to think about sometimes.
Thanks for asking!
@@willissudweeks1050 Hey I'm turning 32 this year too! I feel like not much has changed since I made that post, but when I started listing out what's been going on now in another comment, clearly, some things have changed a bit.
I've just moved in with my brother so we're adjusting to that and still got...lots of unpacking to do...
Also got a trip to see friends in a month.
I'm still in therapy and still taking meds. Still have things to work on, but even since my original post, I feel like I've made progress mentally. Also still feel like there's a long way to go but I suppose if change/improvements were easy or fast, we'd have a lot more people doing it lol.
After I return from seeing friends + finish unpacking, I'm thinking of trying to spend time looking for new work/skills.
Thank you for asking! I hope things go well for you on your end. I'm also glad to see I'm not alone.
Newscaster talking of human body parts in trash bags and "trying to piece this together." LOL
LMFAO
It's puzzling!
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I'm crying ahahaha 😂
Yes! I felt so bad for laughing. Like, what a terrible, yet brilliant choice of words. 😂🤣😭
this is a terrible, horrifying case, but the zoom in when the cop said "somebody's SON" had me cackling
Detective: Your son is dead.
Donna: Oh no! ... Anyway.
Yeah! I noticed that quick recovery as well...
I like that prosecutor. He’s animated and not boring like so many others.
Her face during the court interrogation, like she's trying so hard to look like a pained/upset person that she just looks constipated.
"Its your son"
"MY SON!"
Breaks down
Gets asked question
*PERFECT COMPOSURE ACTIVATED*
Couldn't even manage fake sadness. Too obvious. Sick. Sick lady.
It reminds me of that "Oh, no! Anyway..." meme, like it was a dead-ringer to have the voiceover placed on top of that clip.
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I was actually wondering if it was a weird edit for a second before I remembered that this woman is awful
@@ohno8398 it was an edit but she IS truly evil too...
I absolutely love the way the prosecutor is yelling at her 😂
He's attackin' it
The Judge should have kept the prosecutors behavior professional. She's a rotten pos but they still have to follow the rules of the law & have good behavior in the Court room.
@@blazefairchild465 ehh she deserves it
Super dramatic hhh
@@michelledan7218 not the DA s job to punish anyone before they are convicted, I said she is a pos. She will be in jail for life once the jury finds her guilty. You can't have lawyers acting like a fool in court. What if she was found not guilty ?
"Mrs Skrivo, I'm afraid the body we found was your son".
"Ooooh, my son! You know, whatshisname"!
The court stenographer side eyeing Donna, priceless.
Lol
Looks more like she's turning her head to hear what she's saying because she's speaking so softly..
@@ayraps8251 still funny lol
The prosecutor seemed like he didn’t take his meds that morning and didn’t drink his cup of coffee ; and that’s a good thing, he ripped that stupid wench crone to shreds.
Lmfao
I was watching with caption and I can tell you without a doubt, that dude wasn’t having it at all.
"sustained, but do not argue with the defendant."
That wench be on that bench
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when the masked man was supposedly forcing her to watch him kill her son, Donna detailed how horrible it was and how Ramsey desperately called out to his brother as he died.
so the prosecuter (mvp) was like, "why didnt he call to his mother who was right there to help him?" fuckin' rekt.
I was half expecting to hear a "clunk" of her lawyers head hitting the table as he just gives up on life when she was digging herself ever deeper with that cross examination and her story 😂
that prosecutor just wasn’t having it. he tore her apart. 😂😂😂
also the angry face she was making as he talked just disgusted me.
He makes Juan Martinez look chill haha, I love an angry prosecutor
Literally tore her a new one eh.
He looks like Einstein
She didn't look so much angry as she did stupid, she knew what she was saying it was a load of Bull so she had a stupid look on her face. Her own body language gave her away.
It disgusted me too!
I am impressed! All of Mike's videos are like a well written essay. He has good organization, details, and humor. His videos are always fun to watch. They always reinforce the idea that humans souls can be troubled and dark.
Everyone: We know you killed your son but tell us your story
Ramsey Mom: It was Colonel Mustard in the Observatory 😑
LOL!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
With a candle stick
Conservatory with the lead piping? No it was obviously Rev. GREEN , IN THE LIBRARY WITH THE DAGGER.( OR WAS IT???????)
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I've had issues with mental disorders after some major events, nobody believed me when I would describe my mom. Eventually they did, and finally got her sober and help she needed. She's much better now.
I feel her. Last night some masked man broke into my parents house and stole a bar of chocolate. Now I get blamed.
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Don't you hate it when that happens 😅
It’s been 10 minutes since I read your comment and I’m still laughing
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LMAAAOOOOO same thing happened at my house 🤦🏻♀️ and guess who they are blaming? Me idk why though 🤷🏻♀️
The poor lady that found his head. She has to be scarred for life!
Who does this, though!? Who stops on the side of a rural road, nearly snow bound, and looks in discarded trash bags? Omg! That's just asking for trouble. 😳😭 Treacherous, nasty mother.
That feeling when she realized what intestines she found before😬
@@NecroLiquor. That’s a good point! Maybe she was one of those people that picked up litter from the ditches 🤨
@bob builder there’s a difference between garbage picking and going through a bag in a random ditch but okay lol. & you don’t know anything about my socioeconomic status so not sure why you feel the need to bring that up 🤷🏼♀️
@bob builder I grew up salvaging things from dump yards and evolved into dumpster diving for furniture when I was young enough to not mind to mending and clean up, so I didn't mean it to come across as being snooty. It's just there's salvaging and recycling and then there's neighborhood nibshitting. 😉 The lady wasn't suggested as doing anything other than looking into the discarded bags. Luckily, she wasn't collecting them or doing a highway cleanup, or everything (evidence) may have been contaminated.
She's so irritating even the prosecutor was yelling at her.
@Zippity Dodah, that is your opinion. In my opinion, the prosecutor did an awesome job of tearing her story apart. Which just happens to be his job.
I thought he risked flipping the jury by badgering her and he's kinda lucky the evidence against her was strong.
@Zippity Dodah, I am.not American. The job of the defence lawyer is to object, whether there is actually something to object to. Also by yelling at the murdering "mother", the prosecutor was trying to trip her up in her lies.
@@BudhagRizzo, if the prosecutor was badgering her too much, the judge would have constantly pulled him up on it. The judges' role is to make sure that both lawyers do not bully any witnesses or criminals.
@@karaleetrapp It's the Defense's job to object to the badgering. Perhaps it was the Defense's intention to make the Prosecution look bad by allowing the badgering, because honestly they really didn't a good case.
The prosecution absolutely slaughtered her on the stand, I don't know that I've ever seen such a wild cross examination before. "I wouldn't let you anywhere near my kids, lady." Is one of my favorite lines from him lol
Why doesn't *NETFLIX* pick these up and pay Mikey to do em? I consume a *TON* of true crime across all platforms, and these are by far the most entertaining and well put together.
I don't know what kinda resources Mike has, but just imagine if he had basically an unlimited budget and endless resources at his disposal from one of these streaming platforms!!
He s absolutely fantastic. I love how well researched his facts are and his “easy-going” way of telling those stories almost seems like he’s talking directly to each member of his audience. He knows how and where to be funny without ever disrespecting the victim. ❤️
I been looking for THAT CHAPTER TO BE ON ALL STREAMING SERVICES. Mike is the best
@Omuwa 323 bro no
Tbf the quality would probably go down if it was in Netflix, unfortunately. :/
sadly there would most likely be a riot bc he doesn't delivers it like it were his own family that got murdered. Bet many many snowflakes would be butthurt. Better keep it like this...though i sure would be happy for him if he went out with some bags of cash.
Ah, I can see this woman went to the Diane Downs-Susan Smith-Leticha Stauch-Jodie Arias school of acting.
With private acting lessons from Dalia Dippolito.
I shouldn't chuckle but this comment made me chuckle.
@@spicybrown75 me too hon!!!
LMFAO 😂 for real!
This is a knee slapper
The prosecutor is the most intense lawyer I ever listened to! He's great!
I do love a shouty prosecutor. Makes things so much more interesting. They only do it when they know they’re absolutely in the right.
"trying to piece this together" after the discovery of body parts. someone was looking for a laugh while writing up that teleprompter there's no way that was an accident
Hilarious!
Anybody else agree that Mike is able to fit more facts in his 20 min videos than other crime shows do in 60 mins? AND he makes it funner to watch. Little bits of humor mixed in with the facts. JUST THE FACTS! LOVE THAT CHAPTER! My #1 True Crime to watch on RUclips! THANKS Mike!
Forgive me, but I can't help myself. Funner is not a word. The proper way to say it is more fun. But you're right that Mike makes it fun.
"I never said I wasn't afraid of him."
"So you're not afraid of him?"
"I am afraid of him."
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I don't know why everyone keeps saying there's no motive when she clearly stated that she wanted to move out of the state but couldn't because she had to take care of her son
She could have just left him behind. It would have been an awful thing to do but a lot less evil than chopping the poor boy up and tossing him out like trash. I'll never understand the decision to kill as a way to "move on". Such disordered thinking
Tonya Brookes I don’t think it would’ve been awful, he would’ve been better off, it was her narcissism that kept her from doing it “there’s no way he could live without me“
But the son wanted to get rid of the guardianship and live on his own, so it's not that.
She is terrifying. Something about her eyes......I feel so bad for her son. All those troubles on TOP of having an evil mother. And now her eldest son has lost literally everyone. It's just tragic :(
My theory: she wanted to start a new life and she knew that having a son with that illness will not going to make her enough attractive to any man. She wanted a “fresh start” without any burden.
She could have had him committed. She didn't need to kill him.
@@abbyfairbrother6057 - but you are thinking like a normal person. That woman is crazy, so her “logic” is bizarre
Wouldn’t it be something if she really killed her own creation for a man??
I don't think that was her motive. She was about to lose control of him. Narcissists and sociopaths are obsessed with control.
@@lexiemaep7930 Bingo
Any parent who kills their child is pure, sick evil
Even, if you're a parent and you discover that your child is the worl'ds most prolific serial killer?
@@SnarkierThan-U-R beat me by 40 some seconds to it.
You don't know what it means to live with a child with a mental disease that is refusing medication. I did it for 23 years and in the end I feared for my own sanity. I literally ran away to another country where he will never find me. She obviously made an unhealthier choice but to a certain extent I understand how she was driven to it. Her son obviously had anger issues and the nearest person is always the first they take them out on. I feared for my own life more than once. It was probably the same with her.
Unless it's in self-defense, no, I don't think murder is ever the answer. Let the person rot in jail. And she dismembered the body - that's not self-defense, that's horrific.
@@SnarkierThan-U-REven then. Just turn him in.
22:52 my dude Einstein wasn't letting her have nothing...
Don't talk to me about hearsay
I don't know what's weirder, pulling over to see what's inside some bin bags on the side of the road, or just driving off again when you realise it's just a bag of internal organs 😅
Exactly. She needed to find a head in a different location to call 911. So weird
She left them just on the side of the road. Not where you'd expect to see them.
She literally said he made her dismember her son then said "you don't have his dna on me." After days of cleaning and him missing. She's 100000% guilty no questions.
And she planned it out and had him out of it on Xanax. She was probably wrapped head to toe in plastic that she later burned/disposed of so of course she’s going on and on about that…so careful, but didn’t think about the coke bottle! Ugh so terrible…
Mike, if you made a video every day, I'd watch all of them as soon as they went live. LOVE this channel.
Thank you so much!
@@ThatChapter ME TOO!!! I love you!!! In a NOT CREEPY WAY!!
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@@jennifermarie1230 😅😂😂
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oof the reporter said “piece this together”
bad timing bud lol
Hahahaha
I came to look for this comment! I winced!
he also said " a male man"
Honestly.
The small details of Mike's editing is appreciated, at least by me. The interview of the officer, when it zoomed in on his mouth when he said "son", is fantastic. It's the little things....
That prosecutor sounds like the "no bullshit" kinda person. Absolute legend.
i thought he was the defense attorney at first. he looks like a defense attorney
He was probably just killing time waiting for Marty McFly to show up with the Delorean.
He sounds like the prosecutor from the Jodi Arias trial
Nurse Donna, you can trust her. Imagine being one of her patients.
I’m a RN and my God NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
What do you want to bet that she killed some of her patients
I am disabled and have to continue to rely on a nurse's aide who ran up $2,000 in fraudulent charges to my debit card (Two months worth of my limited income). I can't even fire her though cause I can't find any other caregivers. I wouldn't put it past her to try to overdose me. I watch my meds like a hawk now.
@@jaysmok2893 I pray you are soon able to get someone good to replace her. No one should have to live like that. I hope she was arrested and prosecuted for stealing from you. Don't be afraid to seek justice, because things have a way of working themselves out for the best.
@@jaysmok2893 yes keep your eyes open!!! hope you can find another nurse soon! take care
Detective: I know you were in St. Clair county yesterday.
Dona: No.
CASE CLOSED
When a detective tells you: "we know your not a bad person", that means they think you are a monster, not a person/human.
She has this smirk in the courtroom, you just know she’s hoping she’ll get away with it.
Just in case the judge is senile and goes for the whole 'masked man' story.
Give her the Papal Pear, or the Jaws of Anguish.
@@silasmarner7586 the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
Apparently there's something called "duper's delight", where someone who is lying will be smiling, pleased with themselves that they're manipulating someone.
Actually, I don't think she even cares about that issue. I think it's just that "how dare" this prosecutor demand any answer from ME!
Donna: "Oh my son!"
Donna 1 second later: Utterly calm and composed.
Brothers what’s ur deal that’s the second time I’ve seen you comment 😂
@@Aaron-rd3cd you got double vision or something, clown?
"We know you're not a bad person" lied the Detective.
They love that strategy. And it often works!
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@Mango Roxx Ugh he is disgusting.
I lived a block and a half from that apartment complex when it happened. Absolutely surreal.
Lmao how she goes from a weepy “ooh my son” to a straight faced-no-signs-of-crying-in-her-voice “not really”
A parent killing there own child is unfathomable, what a callous Monster Donna is... Rest easy Ramsay...
Jesus comes to mind, but yeah....
The crazy thing is, if he had died of an overdose, she might have got away with it because of Ramsay's previous history with depression and drug abuse (terrible to say, but it certainly seems plausible). Dismembering and disposing of him shows how much she resented and hated him. It was unnecessarily, unthinkably cruel
exactly
I'm rather sure you can't die from a xanax overdose. It would need to be mixed with alcohol or other drugs. It's designed that way.
@@frogdeity you can die from the withdrawal from benzos though.
@@frogdeity you most certainly can, that’s how my sister in law ended up half dead in the ER. She wasn’t trying to milk herself just get high. It was really scary she stopped breathing and was dead for a minute or two.
@@theheathen9415 no you can’t die from an overdose of benzos , only withdrawals
Seems like she needed to be in control of everyone around her. Narcissists tend to see their children as objects, not people, so once he was ready to fly the nest she wouldn't have had a use for him. And what do we do with things we don't need anymore? We throw them into the trash. Narcissists should never have children.
I agree 100% My grandson and I were victims of narcissistic abuse.
Thought police area. I don't wanna live in an Orwellian "1984" world. The actual, real 2020 is bad enough.
@Owney The Killer Madden Narcissists look at people as liabilities when they no longer can use them for their benefits. With a narcissist it's all about them.
Narcissists destroy their children at an early age bcs they don't communicate and mirror them in their first years, and they have lack of empathy. For narcissists, everything is about winning, control and themselfs.
That's not entirely how narcissistic personality disorder works. Narcissists can not supply their own ego, and they have very poor self worth with no internal mechanism to fix that. So they can only supply their ego from the outside, usually using whoever is closest to them. A feeling of control over others works best for filling that void. If their ego supply is lost, their first response will be desperation to get it back. They become extremely desperate and needy. This will involve multiple calls/texts, guilt trips, attention seeking behavior, creating 'situations' that they need help with, feigning helplessness or victimhood, financial shenanigans, literally anything to force the supply back into their life.
Once this fails, then they'll seek an alternative supply, which only works for a short time before everybody in their lives gets annoyed enough to ghost them. It is only once their supply is truly gone and a replacement can not be found, and their ego finally becomes fully depleted, that they lose self control. They will spiral into severe depression, experience deep envy of others who have happy relationships and try to take it out on them, they'll have bouts of rage, and many will have delusions of grandeur and/or mania during which they try to re-inflate their ego.
So it wasn't that she was trying to throw him away. It's the opposite. She was so desperately needy of him that she lost all self control when he denied her.
No motive? By the sound of it, she was just about to lose, or just recently lost guardianship of her son. That means that the very controlling mother, is about to lose control of something she can have control over. She didnt have control over having a heart attack or losing her husband. Facing the fact that she could lose guardianship... I think she took the route she could have control over.
Does that make any sense?
Yes, but also she wanted to get back with her old flame and not be bothered with the burden of her son I think
Good point.
Yes, but I have a narcissistic mother. So yeah. Sometimes the narcissistic mother will take out her rage on her child because somebody else did something to her.
@Jimmy Bufferz That's exactly what I was thinking the motive was as well. With Ramsay out of the picture, she could make the big move to Texas with enough cash after selling the condo and no commitments so she could start again with her old flame.
I'd guess she wanted a new life with the new man without the burden of the son & his MH issues. I've known mother's dump children with difficulties on the state because the new partner did an 'it's me or them' ultimatum.
How can anyone fathom a mother killing and dismembering her own child. This crime is worse than any horror show. I’m so lucky to have the Mom I do.❤️
I'm extremely fortunate too. My daughter aswell. Nothing but unconditional love ❤️. Donna is a creature you have to be human to have ethics and compassion which Donna did not
Preborn babies?
@@nicholeseverson5951 huh? If you're talking about abortion, the mother doesn't kill her child in that. The person preforming it does.
@@ughicanteven5896the mother does not directly kill the baby, the abortionist does but this doesn't mean she is not responsible for the death of her unborn child. That'd be like saying Hitler did not kill millions of Jews simply because he did not kill them directly, but did give the orders.
My mother left me when I was eight, and whilst she is a shitty mother, she certainly didn’t do this. I’m glad I have the mother I have, in this instance lol.
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you have some of the best story telling and editing skills i have ever seen. your videos are some of the only videos on this platform that i watch from beginning to end. the way you gather all the facts and use them to tell a linear story while also sprinkling in your commentary is awesome. im a long time subscriber. ive seen all your videos. and i anxiously await your next uploads every week.
i just wanted you to know how talented i think you are and how much i appreciate your content. thanks!
I agree completely. I’ve been on RUclips for as long as I can remember and his videos are my favorite of all time.
i think it's easy to underestimate how good his editing skills are until you imagine the mammoth task of piecing all the parts together like he does and making it all flow so seamlessly.
Also, the music he chooses, his timing, everything... ..is just perfect!
Especially this year, we need Mike's Tuesday and Friday highlights in our lives.
Absolutely agree, amazing editing!!
Yo that prosecutor went off holy shit
Love that shit felt like a movie