Patchface: History and Lore (with The Disputed Lands)
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Under the sea, Robert's reading glasses never break. I know, I know, I know.
Although, now he's part of the order of cripples, bastards and broken glasses. George seems to like them
Under the sea Robert wears his glasses on his arse cheeks.....and he never takes them off. I know I know oh oh oh
OH OH OH
I think the "Riding Seahorses and Mermaids blowing horns" prophecy is a spoiler for the battle of ice, where the Frey forces will charge into the ice lake, be betrayed by the Manderlys, and then Stannis will disguise his troops in the Frey colours to infiltrate Winterfell. Guess we'll have to wait for Winds to see if I'm right.
I definitely think you are onto something there and I have long agreed with that perspective. I strongly agree that the Manderlys will turn on and sabotage the Freys in the upcoming Battle of Ice on the battlefield , which will likely be the impetus for Stannis & the Northern Conspiracy to win the day and oust the Boltons ; and that PF prophecy is likely in reference to this upcoming occurrence.
Well the mermaid is the symbol of the Manderlys, but the seahorse is the symbol of house Velaryon, who are also known for ships and sailing, so maybe they're another house that will ferry troops to fight the others. The horn could be signaling to the troops already there as they drop off reinforcements.
@@karlablack894 seahorses could be a reference to mounted troops falling thru the ice into the water.. (I dont think grrm would be so one note to have such a 1:1 metaphor with his prophetical hints)
Amazing theory. Too bad Winds is never coming.
@@anonymous-hz2unwinter is though
Isn't it just classic Mel that for all her "powers" she can't even recognize a true prophet when he's right there under her nose and spouting prophecy every time he opens his mouth.
She recognizes him as a threat at least
I adore Amanda conceptualizing of the different characters and the connections she makes. A very bright young lady.
Maybe the drowned god is really friends we made along the way.
Crowsfood's daughter has a lot of interesting insights, I think she's kind of snowed under by people more initiative to share their theories. Haven't watched a lot of content including her though, could be wrong. Luckily, Robert is the most wholesome host and he lets her get knowledge come to the front. All the best to both of you!
Amanda is brilliant & an excellent creator in her own right and yes Robert is a great host / collaborator for her to shine in these types of discussions ; and such is always great to have her on IDG. I actually like that she is a humble, reserved and not overly pushy with her ideas (despite me agreeing with most everything in terms of her perspectives and theories) as it refreshing in this fandom / community. Part of why i like Robert / IDG so much as well as they are not the obtrusive , in your face , loud hostile voices that make up some of the voices in the community , they just lead by their brilliant insights , theories and content. My only wish is that Amanda had more time to make content and make more appearances on this and other channels , especially her own content because whenever she comes out with vids they are just excellent. But alas she seems to be quite busy in her life with family and work etc , so we have to take what we can get from her as time allows. If you have not watched her vids I highly recommend checking out her channel , some excellent content can be found there.
Definitely go check out @TheDisputedLands . She has done more research and digging on the men of the iron islands than any content creator I've ever seen and I've watched a lot. She has sooo many interesting tales on everything from the magic at the wall to the Old Gods and Drowned God. She is a certifiable badass by all accounts.
Her RUclips is great.
@@AndrewK23777 I wholeheartedly agree with the non-obtrusive part! Some people nowadays care more about getting themselves or their thoughts in the spotlight than enriching themselves by the insights of others. She actually seemed to get in her element here since she could give her full 2 cents about a topic she clearly is passionate about. It's a shame she sometimes feels awkward letting her train of thought come out (heard her saying "you can edit that part out" or something similar). She is also blessed with her loyal supporters, lovely community you are part of!
@@AndrewK23777 by the way I hope you have a swift recovery of your altercation with a dog. Thought I picked up something about that during a stream
Hey Robert! You mentioned you have some things to say about G.R.R.M's critique of Gandalf's return - would love to hear your take on it.
If Patchface is a fallen Dreamer, mayhaps that explains why Melisandre sees him surrounded by skulls? She sees him as he is, surrounded by the skulls of the other failed protegés of Bloodraven?
Ho oh oh I know I know I know
About to watch this and I have definitely been looking forward to this one Robert and Amanda, for a few weeks since Robert announced it. Always great to have Amanda on and she makes excellent content on her own channel as well. Patchface is an interesting little part of the narrative, who warrants having a look back on and analyzing. We have seen ice and fire magic & resurrections and PF is an example of another elemental magic at work in this universe , water magic. Personally I believe the magic in GRRM's universe is a bit of a nexus and likely all comes from a main source ; the differences come from its manifestations via different mediums depending on the type of magic someone uses , the practitioner themselves and possibly where a character is located at the time of using. I think the evidence of this is the visions and what we could call the ethereal realm seems to have a lot of overlap in the fact that all the different magical practitioners seem to see each other despite using different mediums / types of magic to access the visions as well as seeing many of the same characters and events in a prophetic way.
Patchface's insights / visions /songs may be a bit enigmatic and even silly but they seem to be rather accurate from a prophetic standpoint. Personally i think PF is another example that GRRM uses of near death / major traumatic experiences / death of ego / broken people opening character's third eyes and metaphysical side that he often uses not only with PF but also with Bran , Aeron , Theon may be skewing that way a bit etc. This seems to be taken from the Odin concept , how he sacrificed / lost an eye and hung himself on a tree for for far reaching sight and wisdom. PF seems to have gained rather accurate enigmatic prophecy from his drowning despite losing his memory and most of his wits. After the near death event , PF is likely imbued with water magic seemingly as a water wight if not an actual puppet of a magical water entity who is pulling the strings. Personally , i do not necessarily see him as evil after his experience as some seem to think ; i just think especially from Mel's perspective she sees someone with accurate prophetic ability (the accuracy of visions / interpreting them is something Mel struggles with) from outside of her faith / magic as evil and something to fear & possibly a threat to her. Ntm the way she sees him with red bloody lips and surrounded by skulls would of course influence her opinion of him ; but to me that matches up more with the violent , bloody , deadly nature of his visions / prophesies , not that he will be the cause of such things imo although anything can happen. I actually see it more likely that PF could be sacrificed at some point (likely by Mel).
Patchface is definitely an interesting character to look back on - another prophetic figure (of a seemingly rather accurate variety) , connected to key events and characters and seemingly an example of yet another elemental type of magic at work that we have not seen much of outside of PF.
Very well written , Andrew.
PF may become dangerous when they try to burn Shireen, who knows what powers may flow him.
@@krakentacos thanks KT , and yes that is true as well , that could change things , he does spend a lot of time with Shireen and I would think is quite protective of her ; so that could illicit a dangerous response / turn from PF when that whole situation goes down. Especially as you say , there does seem to be some strange goings on / magic that has crept / flowed into him post his near death / death and resurrection. At this point we don't know if he is simply a water wight or literally a puppet of some magical water entity pulling the strings. So definitely some variables at work there.
the thought of Patchface being the only voice at the wall who will be vehemently opposed to Shireen's death, perpetually ignored and unable to make himself understood, is actually heartbreaking. the person who's trying the hardest to keep her alive, and in the eyes of the people who are making the decisions he may as well be silent... i'd go off the deep end too, if i were him
Ever been stirred half-awake from a deep sleep and tried in vain to convey something to someone in the midst of your frustrated exhaustion? It’s kind of like that multiplied by a hundred except instead of asking someone to quiet down or give you some more blanket you’re begging someone not to burn your only friend alive
@@barneyboyle6933 literally! you get me
Get a room
There’s never enough Crowfood’s Daughter / Disputed Lands content. Glad to see this collab.
This was a fantastic stream, thank you Robert. It’s always wonderful to hear from Amanda too. That’s one intelligent, eloquent and interesting lady!
Release the Kraken!!!! Robert + Amanda = DREAM TEAM
I really like the idea of patches saying "I will lead them!" about the dead things in the water... he's excited about leading the host of the drowned dead, rather than the mortals.
I wonder if that means patchface becomes a wight first 🤔or perhaps we get a swarm of undead with zombie patchface at the front looking like a creepy ass general!
@@pyramidion5911 what if he has grey plague (fast version of grey scale) under his tattoos, dies of it unnoticed, then comes back as a still diseased wight... literally just has to touch people to spread it. The others seem to be able to control how wights behave too, so he doesnt necessarily have to act crazy, and maybe the sign something is wrong is that he acts normally.
Very excited!! Been waiting to hear your views on Patches for a long time, doing so with Disputed Lands is a bonus, thank you!
Amanda, your analysis is legendary as always, I love listening to you!
“Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that” Indeed Robert, indeed
*rubs hands together in anticipation*
I’m so glad you’ve done a video on this topic Robert!
Patchface has become obese over the years, which makes him different from Beric and Lady Stoneheart, who as wights, their only physical changes are signs of breakage or decay. Beric has a bashed in head and big sword wounds, that do not heal, because he is dead. Lady Stoneheart's hair has become brittle and lost its color, the wights become fragile, because being dead, they do not heal.
Patchface has grown obese over the years, which is a sign of life, because it is growth. He drowned, but he didn't die. I wonder if this aspect of Patchface drowning but not dying might be a template for Jon Snow, because Jon is likely living in Ghost while he is bleeding on the ground. Will Jon be murdered, but not die.
That
When someone dies in water they bloat up like a balloon till they blow up Soo im glad you say that maybe he is a wight
interesting. irl you can drown and be resuscitated but have brain damage from lack of oxygen. your personality may change as we see with patches, w/o necessarily becoming a wight
@@louisromerojr906 But did he come ashore already that obese? Or did he grow obese over the years after "downing"? I havent read the books so idk.
I wonder if he warged into a fish while he was dead
I think patchface is acting. We are given clues through many of the novels that the fools of many places appear to be fools but instead are pretending, "spying" on the High Lords. They seem to be slightly intelligent men trying to get by secretly. Moon boy, Mushroom, Tyrion, Ser Dontos (not so intelligent, but not so stupid)... im positive there is at least 1 or 2 more examples. But aside all that, there is definitely a magical aspect here.
I think it's Bloodraven spying through him.
@@kingxerocole4616 when in doubt blame bloodraven lol
The maesters mirror this behavior. Both aemon and pycelle play up being old tired men. Aemon listens in on conversations and even uses his nice old man tactics to expose stannis sword. Pycelle shows he has much more energy when no one is looking and I suspect he is poisoning himself and everyone who comes to see him with small doses (sluggish/drugged behavior, never short on sweetwater)
@@kingxerocole4616 why?
I have a slightly more literal take on the following:
"I will lead it. We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh."
In a round about way, I think this refers to a triad alliance between Stannis, Wyman Manderly, and Aurane Waters. As a member of House Velaryon, Aurane's sigil is a seahorse. As it pertains to the alliance, I think the seahorses Patches referenced are the war drommonds Aurane stole from Cersei. I think "march into the sea and out again" means they will travel somewhere by boat, Aurane's boats, and in this instance I don't think it's Hardhome; I think it's Dragonstone, and there Stannis will square off w/Dany as the blue eyed king who cast no shadow. It's also worth noting here that the sea's equivalent of a horse on land is a boat. Very multilayered. Moving on.
Lord Wyman's sigil is a mermaid, so the "mermaid blowing seashells to announce our coming" could mean he'll declare for Stannis as he promised to do (which would also mean Davos held up his end of the deal and succeeded in smuggling Rickon to Wyman's custody). My secret wish, though I know it's unlikely, is that "mermaids blowing seashells" means Lord Wyman will mark his alliance with Stannis by killing Sibyl Spicer in Robb's name. I want that woman to get her comeuppance so badly I can taste it!
Lastly, I remain open to the possibility that because Patchface was speaking to Jon, it's possible Jon and Aurane form an alliance if Stannis dies. It would be a nice call back to the historic relationship between House Targaryen and House Velaryon.
Wow damn. Disputed lands, just when i think id heard it all you blow my mind. Also loved that it really does seem to be a little mermaid reference
The whole series is an amalgamation of georges favorite things
This was an absolute joy to watch and listen to. I am such a big fan of Amanda and her RUclips channel, The Disputed Lands. Every time I hear her talk I’m impressed by her insight into ASOIAF and I always learn something new. And this was no exception to that. I have never made the connection before this between the various fools, characters with fool like characteristics, and the related drownings in the books. Now that I hear how this has been repeated with several characters, I believe there must be some purpose behind it. I do think it was a shame that the television series left the fools out of their version of the story, for all intents and purposes. For anyone who hasn’t already checked out The Disputed Lands videos I highly recommend them. Her videos and ideas are so well thought out, researched and informative, as well as just really enjoyable. I’m always really excited when she puts out any new material.
Once Martin finishes a story. He can criticize Tolkien and his characters.
Excellent guest! I really like the Broken Dreamer theory Crowfood's Daughter presented. Of course, Robert's colors of dragonfire theory is also very intriguing. As we're talking about George RR Martin, I vote that you're both correct.
This channel is by far in the top 10 RUclips channels ever made. Excellent content and extremely entertaining for any time of the day.
Sooo good!! So many golden nuggets that I never thought of. I'm going to have to watch it again.
Cling-clang, ring-ding, bong-a-long. The sound of Westeros's approaching doom...
It's easy, I see an In Deep Geek video and I give it the thumbs up and tell him how great he is. Cus Robert's the man. Smash that thumbs up yall!
I love these long conversations you set up, Robert! Thanks for all the top quality content :)
Fascinating stuff, thank you so much for the awesome video Robert and Amanda! 😊
Black, green and blue flames. Drogon, Rhaegal and Viserion. I'll count this as further foreshadowing of Viserion being wighted/ice dragoned/otherwise changed under Euron/Others/Night King control
and black and green being Targs & Blackfyres= (Dani+Aegon)
Thank you so much for finally covering Patchface, and who best to cover it with but Crowfood's Daughter!
This one was much needed and very appreciated!! My first read of ASOIAF I didn't put much into the fool. But on a 2nd pass thought him very intriguing but wish I had George's tunes available to "hear" his songs.
Amanda is so knowledgeable about the Iron Islands! I was completely uninterested in the Ironmen until I saw her videos.
GRRM is just trying to tell us that he killed a clown
Possible, would not blame him for it, those are terrefying . . .
The clown killed a camerahead. It’s all just layers of revenge, all the way down.
Or at least he _thought_ he did...
I never made all The Little Mermaid connections! So glad Robert left that in lol
Amanda is the best person to talk with about the drowned god. Like really her input is amazing
Great to see you, Amanda. great job, both of you!
You look like me and your videos do wonders for my self esteem. It’s awesome getting an idea of how others perceive you. I think that most people aren’t thrilled with what they see in the mirror. But seeing another person with the same features allows you to see your own beauty much more realistically. Thanks for the boost.
Crow Foods daughter is always full of good ideas
And Raegal, through Raegar, is connected to the color blue, the winter roses color!
I think Rhaegal is going to have green fire since he's a green dragon. However it's entirely possible that Viserion will have blue fire. Not because he's blue or anything (he's cream and gold) but he does have Ice Dragon symbolism. However if his fate matches the fate of Viserion in the show - White Walker Viserion - then the blue fire/flames also make sense. :)
At 22:00 when Rob adds his bit, closes it off with a question and she says “right. Anyway” i lost it man.. shes preaching not discussing lol
Yeah, it was kind of rude to do that as a guest on his channel...
I'm sorry it took me so long to come across this! These are two of my favorite literary-type RUclipsrs :D I love Robert's audiobook channel.
I love it when Crowfood's Daughter is on your channel! So knowledgeable and thoughtful especially about Ironborn mythology.
Patch face seems to have a setup to be a new age Florian by saving shureen
Timing of this video 1:11:11 is very magical numerology! ✨ Excited for another collab w/the brilliant Amanda @the disputed lands - cheers to you both! 🍷 @in deep geek 🍷
In Deep!
Learning more and more and growing further, in Deep geek into a Song of Ice and Fire lol thanks 😂
PS I think it was also a little foreshadowing about “The Kiss” at least on the TV show when Rob’s wife talked about her brother drowning and that guy “someone” saved him in Valantis
Her theory about the Lady of Spears….. I’ve considered that before, years ago too. Never connected it to Davos or Patchface, though. Love it.
This the one I been waiting for! 💯
Davos drowning and "the voice" - GRRM has never had a god actually speak to a character so I don't accept the theory that a god spoke to Davos - especially an Unsullied god that he has nothing to do with.
See Gandalf spent his recovery from death "off stage" in a sense, and he describes his transition back to life in that scene right after he reunites with the companions, after basically haunting them. JRRT had it right.
We also get the badass that is Amanda! This Crowfoods Daughter wouldn't have gotten hauled off by wildlings! Good to see y'all together again.
What is interesting is not as much that Patchface rambles, but that he rambles in the language foreign to him...
So true
I've seen that with mentally ill people and it is surprising. I once encountered a woman in a public bathroom who was babbling to herself in German, Greek and Russian. Her voice would change each time she switched languages as well, used a child's voice when speaking in Russian 🤔
He is ASOIAF’s equivalent to LOTR’s Tom Bombadil and WOT’s Mordeth.
(I love In-world Anomalies in fantasy books)
Patchface is Spongebob.
Interesting note about the dragon flames changing. I always assumed their flame colors being related to their scale and crest colors. Tessarion would spit blue fireballs, Balerion and Drogon have black and red flames, Sunfyre's are gold, and Quicksilver had white pale flames. I wonder if Viserion will have blue flames if he becomes a wight since their eyes burn with blue fire according to Varamyr...
Did you plan the timing of this video? 1:11:11- love it!
I was so happy to see this character 😊. I needed this delve into fantasy with the state of american politics. Thanks from NYC
subbing Disputed Lands because of this excellent video
Awesome video/topic, Robert!!
Haven‘t watched a minute of the of the video yet but I admire the 1:11:10 time stamp
The ritual drowning practiced by the Drowned Men's priests seems a lot like waterboarding to me!
Speaking on the trope of "the fool in motley who drowns and is resurrected 3 days later" we know that Cat fits in but does her raking her nails across her face leaving bright red tracks add the "motley" component that she was missing?
Thats a real reach, motley is variously coloured cloth.
In the historical context it is an explicit referent of jesters garb.
From a Doylist perspective this may be something reminiscent of Jesus' crucifixion with the crown of thorns. Catelyn wasn't given a crown of thorns, but the imagery is still there with her raking her face from forehead to cheek, thus blood flowing from the forehead. But from a Watsonian perspective I believe the raking of her face and eyes is weirwood symbolism. Throughout the books, Catelyn has had many instances of this symbolism. She is fair, with red hair, and she has also had bloody hands from stopping the catspaw that was after Bran. Her raking her face and eyes, just adds to the symbolism considering a weirwoods face is also considered bloody due to the red sap. Lucifer Means Lightbringer has coined this symbolism as being the Weirwood Stigmata. :)
Loves Amandas chanel. Hope for more from her.
Will be interesting to see what patchface does when the Princess gets sacrificed to the flames also, I like this but I don’t know whether it was the delay between you both which wasn’t helping but I would’ve preferred a bit more back-and-forth instead of a monologue
Great discussion you two.
What about the pairing of Shireen and Patchface? Shireen also has a patchface, one patched by a deadly contagious disease that Val believes is not cured, but only sleeping, waiting to become infectious again.
*to add to robberts theory about green, blue, and black corresponding to dragon fire.* I've always kind of hoped GRRM would go a different direction than the showrunners in regard to having the others take a dragon. But this theory could suggest that one of them is taken by an other and thus has blue flame.
Any cold water drowning has the ability to trigger the human body into a mammalian state. Particularly in children, the body goes into a hibernation, or mammalian, state when submerged in cold water. Resuscitation from a mammalian state often leaves the person without brain or organ damage from lack of oxygen.
Yes and untrained people often mistake them for dead because their body temperature drops and pulses in the extremities might be undetectable.
What is dead may never die also makes me think of "The king is dead, long live the king!"
Patchface is one of my favorites. I want a Nimble Dick/Patchface spin off.
I would love to see videos like this about the Maester Conspiracy and how Hoster Tully , Tywin Lannister and Rickart Stark were possibly part of that.
I do believe all these people were plotting to overthrown House Targaryen so they started making alliance BUT Aerys screwed things up by making Jaime a King's Guard , so he could not marry Lysa and so did Lyanna when she willingly refused to marry Robert, leaving House Baratheon away from that scheme of aliances . I think she told or wrote about her scape, making it clear she wouldn't marry Robert( and knowing Robert we know he would not take another wife at that time) but someone told Hoster Tully and/or his maester and they invented the lies we know, like her kidnapp and rape, poisoning Brandon's mind, we all know what happened later.
I love Amanda's videos! She really knows her stuff 👍👏
Patch was obvi brought back by the Drowned God
Davos doesn't sacrifice his manhood to the Unsullied God but does lose his finger bones, an appendage of sorts.
Love your collabs with Amanda
I know this is a 3 year old video, but the whole "seeing the truth and predicting the future but no one believes them" thing is (as ya'll mentioned) VERY Lovecraft. You see it in so many worlds, both the ones written by him and those written by his friends/admirers.
Vampire the Masquerade has a whole bloodline on that theme, the Malkavians. Malkavians saw to much, knew too much, and so their curse (each Cainite clan has at least 1) clan has at least 1 curse) is madness which often causes the in game characters to dismiss them and their words. One of the interesting things about the bloodline is actually that, at least in my experience with the game, the overwhelming majority of players and GMs ALSO do not acknowledge Malks as anything other than completely crazy. They're seen as the joke/fool characters and so they rarely function as intended because either the player doesn't know/care or the GM doesn't know/care about what the Malkavians are actually supposed to be. So I guess the interesting societal irony here is that, even when we are directly told in their base descriptions that they aren't just crazy, we struggle to see it.
GRRM & Gandalf: I'm not sure why George says what he does about Gandalf - Gandalf isn't mortal. He can't die like a mortal can. Gandalf is one of the Ainur, who are the helpers of the one god of that universe. This makes them similar to the angels of the Abrahamic religions. The Ainur were in the universe before the planet of Arda was created and helped Eru Iluvatar (the god of that universe) create the universe. An Ainur's physical form can be destroyed, but they can just take another. This is specified multiple times in Tolkien's books.
Isn't it the Maiar? Just a disciple of middle-earth lore so take it easy on me, just want to learn
@@ruigerd The Valar and the Maiar are both Ainur. The Valar are the higher "angels" and the Maiar are the helpers of the Valar.
@@Djynni ah this explains it completely. Very rare on youtube, blessings to you
The Drowned God is Squidward Greyjoy. Jon Snow is Spongebob, Ghost is Gary the Snail. Patches Patrick. Shireen is Sandy Cheeks. The Kingdom under the Sea is Bikini Bottom confirmed.
Patchface creeps me out. Start there. Nobody ever does.
And Davos is actually loosing his fingers and his sons in that battle, so analogy with loosing manhood and praying to the unsullied goddess.
Like the theories. Though I dont believe it's patch face that's having the prophetic dreams. Its Shireen Baratheon. She has the dragon blood and the master said she's been plagued by bad dreams all her life. She just tell patchface and he repeats it. What patches starts going off about the red wedding she asked the master to make him be quiet because she's scared. So Shireen is the dreamer.
Man te the insights wow!!
I personally feel that Stannis will only sacrifice Shireen if her GreyScale returns, and she can’t be helped. He’ll have to do it for the Realm.
Patchface has to be one of the most mysterious characters in the books. It certainly makes sense that he was dead for some time and as such lost part of himself when he came back. The question remains then, why does Lady Stoneheart seem relatively (mentally) intact other than her all consuming rage, considering her and Patchface were dead for the same amount of time? What does this mean for Jon then, assuming he is also dead for three days before being revived?
We don't know that Jon will be dead for three days though yet. It's highly likely but this may not be the case in the books, however if it's longer at least they have the ice cells to preserve Jon's body in case. I also think we need to consider the mental state of the dead right before they are dying. Catelyn had a mental break right before dying which is most likely why she's acting the way she is as LSH. We also know the things important to them right before they die, seem to turn into obsessions upon their resurrections. We also need to consider that resurrections may be different depending on the magic being used. My guess is that Patchface may have suffered a head injury before his resurrection that impacted the outcome. As for Jon, I believe his second life in Ghost will preserve his memories, but nothing more. I think Jon will come back more wolfish and more obsessed with defeating the Bolton's and finding Arya.
Reminds me of the joke Robin Williams made about what if schizophrenics weren't crazy and are actually speaking to God.
Patchface is just Walter from The Big Lebowski, except he bases everything in that one time he almost drowned instead of Vietnam.
Patchface says prophecies that noone believes just like Cassandra of Troy from Greek mythology
The problem is not, that no one believes her, but that no one she wants to warn ever believes her, her enemies very well might belive and use the knowlage against her and who she loves. ...
Around 42:00 under the sea, flames burne, green, blue and black......could this be a reference of how dragon glass is made? I know theres dragon glass in different colors.
Somewhat off topic, but if wights cannot go in the water it would fit into a lot of conventions in the book. The wall is made of ice, literally a wall of water. The dead men who John brought back to the wall are kept in the ice cells (in water) and never come back. Finally all of the children of the forest island and water based territory.
And yet in the letters Clydas sends Jon from Hardhome mentioned "there are dead things in the water."
yaay The Disputed Lands! nice ;)
Remember how bloodraven used the troupe of comic dwarves.
Is he still doing this ?
Under the sea men walk on their knees and rise in the presence of kings.
Amanda you brilliantttt mind!!!
If the world of Game of Thrones is cyclical, could Patchface be the Drowned God?
It hadn’t occurred to me until just now but Caitlyn killed Jinglebell right before she is killed and ultimately tossed into the river to be resurrected. Huh…
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I can't believe I missed the little mermaid references! Wow I feel dumb.