Killing SOG: Pentagon Lied, Green Berets Died
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- Опубликовано: 29 дек 2023
- The third and final video of the Killing SOG series examines the deception and incompetence of MACV-SOG’s far removed leadership at the Pentagon and the negative effects it had on the cross-border operator’s life expectancy.
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Bastards! we lost 96% of the guys we worked with and they didn't give a damn. The kids today know of how shitty it can get in the military, good luck on recruiting, the kids today are smarter and they do research to see what's going on. Even a draft today would be hard because of how the military and Veterans Administration have treated wounded fathers.
That is an insane failure of command ! what part of the armed forces where you and your boys with?
kids these days know better then go across the world to get blown by a 20$ I.E.D and get paid less then a McDonalds burger flipper. Don't get me started with the tik-tok recruitment.
It seems wherever Sullivan went, a shitstorm followed him
Actually, it's how the VA mis-treated wounded fathers.
@@Steve-mk6rq stop blaming the VA and look at the bigger problem
A draft just needs a willing political and policial powers
I just discovered this channel! I'm amazed to see that there's a MAC V guy still alive who decided to start a RUclips channel! Although you were denied your place in history at the time, the secrecy and the lies only made SOG more interesting to the current generation. About 95% of people with even the slightest military interest thinks of SOG as the most hardcore, for the simple reason that they routinely took casualties that no modern unit would accept and still went out there every day and got the job done. Being SF is hard enough by itself, it's even worse when you know that statistically your unit has an above 100% casualty rate. (More people killed than the total unit strength, because they filter replacements in over time)
You're not as amazed as I am. Thanks
Good post, thank you. They've intentionally forgotten the generation that built the platform for Special Ops today, we get no credit.
Agreed, generation after; but I have studied history consistently over a lifetime and these subjects are confirming and improving my knowledge.
The more things changed, the more they stayed the same....
So true. Pick any recent engagement and it will be the same
“plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose” Jean-Baptiste Karr 1849.
@@chrisbrent7487 cringe
He wasn't my uncle, he was my Father, with 3 tour's 1966 through 72.
RIP Richard L Hastings 06/04/2014
Great video. The fact SOG missions were leaked is shared by all the guys. A real shame, but you guy's improvised so well. And then I look at Afghanistan. Those ODAs drew experience directly from you ...they were embedded fully in villages and worked hard with the indig. Hats off to all of the men that never came home.
In Afghanistan one of our guys discovered one of our higher officers was paying bribes to Taliban commanders. He got a slap on the wrist, it was swept under the rug and last I checked he was commanding another unit.
I’ve always wanted to learn more about MACVSOG. I always thought they were so badass (still are), but learning how they were practically bait, really opened my eyes. I’ve heard almost nothing on MACVSOG teams at school, public knowledge, or even mentioned. People talk about modern day SEALs, special forces pod casts, etc; but I really do think we need more of this.
I dont believe anything has changed. The people that find themselves at the top lose touch. Quickly.
We were all bat....not just SOG
I was in the 173rd and normal infantry operations were no different. We walked loudly thru the jungle loaded with 85 pounds or more of equipment knowing full well the enemy knew we were coming. At the point of contact we called in air and artillery support after half of our units were killed or wounded.
Thank you for your service brother. Welcome home!
@@conventionaldudetactics5564 👍🇺🇸
I'm calling bullshit on half the unit getting wiped regularly in the 173rd. Your war had 50k dead not 200k. Stop exaggerating old man.
@@realWARPIG there were many instances were a unit would get “ officially “ wiped out - when half the unit was either wounded or killed at the platoon or company level. I never said the 173rd was wiped out if that is the way you took it. Military terms aren’t always understood by everyone.
If you've got a platoon of 14 men stomping through the woods, and they get lit up and lose 7 guys, they've lost half the element. During the Civil War, it was quite common for units to receive 80-90% unit losses during engagements. 500 men would go in, maybe 60 or 70 might walk out
The government ⚟ 🤥 LIED? Not shocked. My dad MGS Harve Saal, was a Green Beret, I am blessed with the things he taught me, thank you for your service. Have a safe New Year sir 🎉🙏🏻❤️🤍💙
Thanks again for this video very informative people need to know what you guys went through and how you were used like beat from my heart, saying thanks isn’t enough, but what you guys did probably saved my life 🇺🇸
Glad you enjoyed it!
That sarcastic statement on REMF intel team is priceless.
It's my favorite part of the video. Thanks
Some things never change.
when hear about all these higher ups messing the war in Vietnam i keep thinking of Martin Sheen's character in Apocalypse Now when he describes the staff officers as " a bunch of 4 star clowns who were going to give the game away"
They were gona make me a major for this..but I wasent even in ther Fukin army anymore
so very TRUE
This man looks like he would rip your throat out but still hand out full size candy bars for Halloween
Actually, my wife takes care of the Halloween part
FYI: Lt. E. Bargewell was my platoon leader at 2/75 Rangers, he was a legend!
Last May a park with his statue was dedicated in Hoquiam, Washington.
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@@DawsonsWar
Out-Fricken-Standing
@@DawsonsWar
Thank you for posting that tribute video, as a young Ranger I learned alot from my leaders:
1st LT. Bargewell, SFC Thompson, SSGT Kleinbacker and SGT. Smith.
I used to read so many stories about macvsog in SOF magazine in late 70s.
As a kid I loved the movie Rambo. Man these MacVsog guys make Rambo look a wimp. I'm glad you guys are getting your stories out . The books are fantastic. WELCOME HOME ,,!
I can't imagine the frustration of operators who know exactly how to get the job done right but can't because some bureaucrat pulling out the red tape. I bet special forces men right now feel this way remember their commander and chief is basically a walking vegetable....
Thanks for going and welcome home.
Thank you.
Guys, respect to you all, love from scotland.
If you read the books u see that some missions were terrible worst than suicide n wont change the way the operated, 12 guys 10 guys 8 then 6 guys against 100 ,200 300 1000 ,the CEO NCO said were losing to
many man are u kidding me..i have a lot of respect from the bottom of my heart for those SOG Super Heros that we lost for nothing
Your joke about staff officers and their work to "deeper understand the Vietnamese ppl" was comedy gold!😂
love what you are doing here!
you should consider making Dawson's War an audiobook on audible
There's a series called Dawson's Crack. This guy called Dawson who lives in a Creek & has a big Crack, likes a Crack, is a good Crack, his window has a Crack, & he likes to smoke the Crack. Same guy bro.
what? 🤣🤣🤣🤣@@peterj5106
@@peterj5106 Riveting stuff!
Looking forward to reading your book, it’s on the way. Even though it’s shown as a novel (I don’t typically read “novels”) however in this case I must make an exception.
Thanks! I started the book as straight fact. I would write about an incident then think, this guy's wife and kids might be hurt reading this, so I'd take it out. That kept happening and I realized that what I was writing wasn't the truth. So I changed everybody's name and wrote what actually happened. As I say on the back cover: Historical fiction is the lie through which we learn the truth. When you finish the book let me know what you think.
The Moment SOG operators hit the ground they were compromised NVA Intel already had alot of these guys names and identities especially with help from Soviet advisors in the Nam
And many from NVA intelligence and splinter cells lie deep in ARVN government. Remember that one of the ARVN officials that close with the CIA was actually an NVA spy, Albert Thao.
Not my uncle, but the man who became the Detachment Commander of the small unit I was with, SSG James Wheat, was pulled from Laos to replace an incompetent SSG Det Commander. I forget exactly when that happened but I think it was after February 1971. When the Detachment was closed in June 1971, I assume Jim went back to MACV-SOG.
And no, I was not SOG, but I had a 05D MOS and so did Jim.
This video is awesome, the part where you describe the crazy SOG mission and then the after action report makes it sound like a milk run is hilarious
Thanks
Pentagons Pawns
I was very surprised at 2.16 when I saw a good friend of mine, Warren ‘Bud’ Williams (middle). He served in SOG from 67 to 69. Sadly, he died in 2021. I've seen this photo before and Bud told me it was taken at Dak To just after he returned from his first cross-border SOG mission.
The man on the left is Sgt Fred Zabitosky, who was later awarded the CMoH. Bud and Fred were very close and Bud was invited to the White House to see President Nixon put the medal round Fred’s neck. The soldier on the right is Sgt Bill Boyle, who was killed about a week after this photo was taken.
Bud led a remarkable life and was writing his memoirs at the time of his death. They were about 80% complete, but despite repeated requests from me, his widow would not allow publication. I have all Bud’s chapters on my hard drive, but she owns the copyright.
My father served as a 13A lived until 60 his Drs . Said agent orange finally caught up to him. I salute all branches that served in that war my father served 173rd Airborne.
Another book to add to my reading list.
Another excellent video.
Thanks. And thanks for sharing it on Facebook.
Marine Recon worked the same areas we had are lost as well
5th special forces macv sog 71-72 I salute all who came before me...
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Great vid!! … do you have many pictures for your time in?
Yes I do. Mostly of our Bru Montagnard mercenaries. Thanks for watching
My hometown hero never forgotten.
Cecil Joe Hodgson
Cecil Joe Hodgson
Rank/Branch: E7/US Army Special Forces
Unit: B-52 Delta, 5th Special Forces Group
Home City of Record: Greenville TX
Date of Loss: 29 January 1966
Country of Loss: South Vietnam
Status (in 1973): Killed/Body Not Recovered
I had a dear friend Curtis G Kennedy ran operations at FOB 2 Kontum as a 1-0 on team Colorado.
Truthful vid
I will be buying the paperback for damned sure, started reading six silent men in 2003 and after serving OEF and reading more about it what y'all did was astounding and definitley took some brass balls!
Thank you.
terrible situation
Yet many continue to serve the government
Hey we signed up for this, we were young and invenable
Does anyone know how to find out from the USMC any information about their actions of force recon operations in Laos or Cambodia?
Operation Dewey Canyon: Platoons from the 9th Marines crossed the border from the Da Krong Vallley into Laos during the last week of February 1969 to ambush truck convoys on Route 922. It was the only time the Marines were authorized to operate in Laos.
Wow didn’t know the photo of 7 RAR was MACV-SOG.
They weren’t. The Australian military has made many of their photos public domain on Wikipedia Commons. Although there are many photos of SOG soldiers posing with their mercenaries, there are very few from actual operations. I think this photo illustrates the point of the video quite well. Thanks for your comment.
@@DawsonsWar yeah I know it was sarcastic, as many people use photos or videos of Aussies when trying to represent Americans
@@DawsonsWar I knew a SOG soldier in Santa Cruz back in the early 1980's. Years later on a website put up by an Army Security Agency guy, there was a picture of the SOG guy with his group of mercenaries. I think, don't remember for sure, they were from Laos.
AIRBORNE sir. All the Way
I tell everyone on operation redwings it was 100% a success. The whole line “YOU PUT SOME BAIT OUT AND WAIT FOR THE ENEMY TO FIRE ON THEM! Then you know where the enemy is!” This still holds true today! Yes they were suppose to provide overwatch sniper support for the assault force infiltration. But ultimately a 4 man team is bait. It’s simply understood.
Well the SEAL team asked for it. The marine station is the base against the idea of infiltrate by helo but with one foot from the mountain, but some one up high from keen on the idea of walking in the park with the SEAL deployed with Heli. FURBAR...
The amount of ass backwards decisions and attitudes by politicians and arm chair generals during this time is exceptionally stunning if not shameful
Well, remember stupid decisions by the politician was the reason why the Vietnam war happened in the first place. Instead of backing Hochiminh declare independence and create a close ally to counter china and soviet in 1955, US decided to back up and build a government that the majority of Vietnamese don't like... And yet, it did again with Iraq and Afghanistan...
Aren't those soldiers between Nixon and Johnson Australians?
They sure are. There are legal reasons I used that picture.
I think alot of uncles here maybe stolen valors 😮
The VA says around 600,000 people who were physically stationed in Vietnam are still living. On the 2020 census 9 million reported they were Vietnam Veterans. Thanks for the comment.
Watching interviews with MACV-SOG guys, some (many) seem to acknowledege the leaks. And it got worse after 1969?
My father was in ARVN. They fought bravely alongside with US troops but political such as Henry Kissinger and his team betrayed them.
Not even counted in MIA/KIA.
Tahitian Queen
Oh ,man, does this ring true. Grunts hit the bush to find or draw out the enemy for Arty and fast movers. We were just bait, and command and staff didn't care .
Jerry Boger u SF people my wife’s uncle spent time in Vietnam
The americans could call on air support something the nva
Didnt have.
Still they were smaller targets
And could move faster with
Lighter equipment!
True. The air support wasn't over-watch. Often teams in Loas were not in radio contact. It could take a very long time to get air support. Thanks for watching.
@@DawsonsWarsir can you make an analysis about the current ukraine war
This is why we lost!!!! The Politicians F**ked everything up as usual!!!!!:/
they didnt help
but
a counter-guerrilla war fought in a foreign country, with overwhelming population support for the insurrection, is ontologically unwinnable
Looks more like the war was a way for gov to kill off the best and brightest, who might oppose their plans for America
If ypu think it was bad then Look at it now. Lots of idiots in congress
I was a SSG Inf Sqd ldr in Iraq in 03 you wouldn't believe the lies I saw the military tell .
@@Stormbringer505Any examples please?
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hats died???
Australian Troops on the Thumbnail 👍 FAL L1A1 SLR
They sure are.
nothing new under
the sun , grunts &
spook troops have been dying and their history is mostly lied about till someone decides to speak up , a most recent example us army ranger Tillman in Afghanistan
Just wait till you read about the USS liberty....
In God We Trust and Being Under One God are our Nations highest ideals. However, this trust is meant for each American to have their own individual relationship and trust in Him.
Those are Australian troops in the thumbnail not SOG. Have some respect for MAC V SOG and use correct pictures.
Unfortunately we did take many pictures on operations.
Oh, and I have self respect