The Most Dangerous Job in the North Vietnamese Army

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  • Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
  • In this Second of a three-part series, we examine the formation, training, tactics, and first mission of the Truong Son Commandos ( Đặc Nhiệm Trường Sơn) called Hunter-Killer Teams by MACV-SOG. Members of the North Vietnamese Army (Peoples Army of Vietnam - PAVN) these troops were deployed prior to the Tet Offensive to thwart MACV-SOG’s intelligence gathering efforts west of the A Shau Valley. Later additional troops would be added throughout the Ho Chi Minh Trail logistic complex to counter SOG’s efforts.
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Комментарии • 304

  • @subcomandantetroncos6914
    @subcomandantetroncos6914 5 месяцев назад +402

    I really like how you went deep in exploring how the facts unfolded. Many like to represent the NVA as just a bunch of peasants in pijamas who basically got lucky. The efforts in preparation, logistics, adapting to the enemy and in general the deep strategic thinking (even when it failed) demonstrates that the war was quite different. I admire your honesty and analytical objectiveness despite your individual involvement. Thank you!

    • @callusklaus2413
      @callusklaus2413 5 месяцев назад

      It's a lot of American propaganda I think. It's not like French and American involvement in Vietnam was a short period. It's a good reminder that all governments produce misleading propaganda, even the ones we live in.

    • @badaoe3stratsonly130
      @badaoe3stratsonly130 5 месяцев назад +51

      It's because not everyone realizes that their is a difference between the Vietcong irregular forces in the south, and the well equipped NVA soldiers in the north.

    • @nunyaplayz
      @nunyaplayz 5 месяцев назад +6

      Ken burns vietnam documentry is amazing too

    • @macobuzi
      @macobuzi 5 месяцев назад +20

      Because most people think every NVA were Viet Cong - which were irregular soldiers who were actually a bunch of peasants equipped with whatever weapon they had, But NVAs are trained and well-equipped soldiers, they were even trained by the Soviets.

    • @Rokaize
      @Rokaize 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@nunyaplayz Not really, an absolute ton of inaccuracies in it. Especially in regards to race and casualties. And they do a horrible job of covering the draft issue.

  • @baraka629
    @baraka629 5 месяцев назад +195

    "A well armed homeless camp" 😂 I'm laughing my balls off

    • @samueljacobson1181
      @samueljacobson1181 5 месяцев назад +3

      this is the best channel !

    • @dannyzero692
      @dannyzero692 5 месяцев назад +11

      Go to Chicago or something and indeed, it is a well armed homeless camp lmao

    • @badlaamaurukehu
      @badlaamaurukehu 5 месяцев назад

      Geese

    • @kronicmeerkat9587
      @kronicmeerkat9587 5 месяцев назад +7

      me and my girlfriend were in stiches when he said " I can assure you that a soldiers combat effectivness greatly increases when his only source of entertainment is going out and shooting someone" 😆She was in the bathroom doing makeup and just came in and was like: "did he just say what I think he did?!"

    • @naturesquad9174
      @naturesquad9174 4 месяца назад +2

      @@kronicmeerkat9587 the difference between a soldier and a warrior

  • @josedorsaith5261
    @josedorsaith5261 9 месяцев назад +49

    This is better than 95% of the other videos on the subject. Thank you for sharing this with us

  • @OmarLara-og7kl
    @OmarLara-og7kl 5 месяцев назад +103

    Those men were in great physical shape .

  • @HungPham-hm9yk
    @HungPham-hm9yk 5 месяцев назад +48

    Very nice video. As a young Vietnamese men hearing your stories from US side was very eyes opening! I will try to save money and buy your book someday!

    • @davedriscoll1652
      @davedriscoll1652 2 месяца назад

      God bless from Iowa ❤

    • @jon-jo5pn
      @jon-jo5pn Месяц назад +1

      If you live in the USA, you can go to almost any library in the US, and they might have the book on hand? If not, the reference librarians will help you find the book on the internet at a different library (within their system) and request that book title for you and it should be waiting for you at "your" library in about a week. I read hundreds of books like that! All you need is a Valid library card. Enjoy!

  • @ritac2214
    @ritac2214 5 месяцев назад +94

    I really appreciate the in depth analysis of the NVA side of the fight. That perspective is missing in a lot of the documentaries that I've seen and it's a pretty important part of the picture as to how the war developed

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  5 месяцев назад +20

      Thanks. At the foot soldier level we had more in common than differences.

    • @beezyb42011
      @beezyb42011 5 месяцев назад

      I’ve been looking for a book on an autobiography of a NVA soldier..
      It’d be crazy to have them describe tunnels collapsing and losing their comrades to bombing and what the constant bombing did to their mental..

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  5 месяцев назад +5

      @@beezyb42011 when I want to read first hand accounts from the Vietnamese, I go to Dan Duffy's substack page vietnamlit.substack.com/

  • @SurfaceDweller
    @SurfaceDweller 11 месяцев назад +22

    Thank you for making these sir. I have a lot of respect for what you guys did

  • @hyp3r-systems838
    @hyp3r-systems838 5 месяцев назад +194

    *THE NUMBERS MASON!!!*

    • @N238E
      @N238E 5 месяцев назад +21

      THE NUMBERS!!! WHAT DO THEY MEAN!!!!

    • @assadsmagicalmysterytour
      @assadsmagicalmysterytour 5 месяцев назад

      Dragovich. Kravchenko. Steiner.

    • @Shitbird3249
      @Shitbird3249 5 месяцев назад

      @@N238Ebig smokes order.
      The numbers are big smokes order.
      Nobody ever puts it together

    • @MMP-1119
      @MMP-1119 4 месяца назад +2

      Ascension

  • @scottmccallum5861
    @scottmccallum5861 5 месяцев назад +104

    Many people in Vietnam still to this day call the those NVA soldiers during the war “chó xanh” “Green Dogs”

    • @Nhinhonhinho1990
      @Nhinhonhinho1990 5 месяцев назад +6

      I had never heard that terms tbh, where did you hear that term btw?

    • @votuanphu6299
      @votuanphu6299 5 месяцев назад

      This is the first time i heard that term, sound like an insult, and if it was an insult then i never heard of it cause the anti-communist groups in Vietnam nowaday only use insult terms like "Truong Son's monkeys" to insult our soldier or "Red Bull' or '3 million Dongs propagandist" to insult pro-communists group.

    • @votuanphu6299
      @votuanphu6299 5 месяцев назад +22

      @@Nhinhonhinho1990 I think he is mistake with how the peoples call American soldier, cause usually the word "dog" refer to some American or S.Vietnam divisions with the nick name "hound" or "chó săn" (i don't remember exactly) , and the word "Green" is usually refer to American soldier cause of their uniform.

    • @Nhinhonhinho1990
      @Nhinhonhinho1990 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@votuanphu6299 eh , maybe, tbh I had never heard about something like that even if it refer to American or ARVN personnel.

    • @votuanphu6299
      @votuanphu6299 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Nhinhonhinho1990 I sometime heard it on some documents that i used to watch when is was younger, like i just watch for about 5 minutes then get bored and switch to other stuff, but the term "hound" is the exact word i remember. It's not usually accompany with the word "green" like "green dog" or "green hound", just "hound". Sometime i heard it when i watch Vietnamese war veteran interviews, eh.

  • @Jewclaw
    @Jewclaw Месяц назад +1

    These videos on the North Vietnamese are amazing! I can’t thank you enough for such in depth content.
    My only criticism is I wish it were longer

  • @braedembenoit1107
    @braedembenoit1107 11 месяцев назад +21

    Great video I’m loving this series

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  11 месяцев назад +5

      Glad to hear it!

  • @lizardjr.7826
    @lizardjr.7826 11 месяцев назад +7

    This channel is a gold Mine of history

  • @HeckyReckyOfficial
    @HeckyReckyOfficial 5 месяцев назад +62

    I love the low production, and clipping when audio files are played. It's like a 2005 power-point

    • @salkoharper2908
      @salkoharper2908 5 месяцев назад +11

      Well knowing how to strip an M16 and being well versed in the intricacies of video editing and publishing are a rather different skill set. Great stories though.

    • @kronicmeerkat9587
      @kronicmeerkat9587 5 месяцев назад +2

      I found it to be perfectly fine, and besides the information is what matters. I really hope you didn't just mean this as a sarcastic dig, because that is indeed how it reads.

    • @HeckyReckyOfficial
      @HeckyReckyOfficial 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@kronicmeerkat9587 I meant what I said and said what I meant. Everything else is in your head.

    • @hamster3171
      @hamster3171 5 месяцев назад +2

      It's a nice change from all these videos with images, music and sounds jumping at you to keep this generation's 30 seconds attention span

  • @vahjayjayaddict
    @vahjayjayaddict 4 месяца назад +8

    I had 3 neighbors from the Vietnam Era, all living close to one another in apartments. One was a conscientious objector. It wasnt his religion, he was Catholic, he just flat out went to the office wherever you go when you get drafted & said I'm not fighting anyone unless they come to America. They did not make him serve. He did not abscond, but simply did not comply. Another was a POW in Laos. He was a USMC sniper who got caught & spent a long time in captivity. He was rescued. Another was in Vietnam as a longshoremen that did see combat. All 3 got along famously, although when we were together we rarely spoke about Vietnam just one on one. It was a war of elite people putting citizens in to a meat grinder. It was good to see they put all of that behind them & got along.

  • @bullit4x
    @bullit4x 7 месяцев назад +77

    Super interesting. My pops dosent really talk about what he did in Vietnam. Well. I should say Laos. From what I do know. He was a Raven (spook) flew planes with Lao markings. I do have one pic of him next to his plane wearing jeans a button up shirt 2 45’s and a chopped down AK. (Bad man). He was shot down twice and earned the silver star.

    • @totalfailforfun4721
      @totalfailforfun4721 5 месяцев назад +3

      damn, do you think it a traumatic experience for him? Perhaps that's why he doesnt talk about it

    • @erocktherockjohnson5169
      @erocktherockjohnson5169 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@totalfailforfun4721 or its classified

    • @Koj-Yog.Paj-Hlwb.Quav-Xwb
      @Koj-Yog.Paj-Hlwb.Quav-Xwb 5 месяцев назад

      Thank you pop for his service my dad was the SGU unit inside laos funded train by CIA and back.up by usaid And raven

    • @alijankhan3330
      @alijankhan3330 5 месяцев назад +3

      Navy seals wore jeans and carried chopped down rpds, your dad did navy seal type stuff most likely

    • @antonisashitteragain6993
      @antonisashitteragain6993 5 месяцев назад

      Prob he smoke a lot of viet man, woman and children o:!!!

  • @GoViking933
    @GoViking933 5 месяцев назад +7

    Thanks, I really enjoyed this. I like how you used the little icons to show the troop movements.

  • @BruceMcKenzie-q6l
    @BruceMcKenzie-q6l 5 месяцев назад +13

    The Vietnamese were out gunned on a 50 to 1 basis in terms of equipment and supplies. Only a handful of war planes in the north. They were just ordinary people, not special forces. They said about themselves " No shoes, empty stomach, brave hearts".

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  5 месяцев назад +7

      Excellent soldiers. The Truong Son Commandos are celebrated in Vietnam as elite special forces. Certainly more well know that MACV-SOG is here.

    • @BruceMcKenzie-q6l
      @BruceMcKenzie-q6l 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@DawsonsWar yes Sir, I been living there for last 20 years. Small but tough. They welcome Vets you if you want to come for a holiday. Nha Trang and Cam Ranh are beautiful holiday resort towns now. The Central highlands along the Cambodia and Laos borders are prosperous coffee farms now. The ethnic minority Hill tribes are doing well now too. I read a lot about MAC V SOG. You guys were super brave to do what you did.

    • @chadwick8193
      @chadwick8193 4 месяца назад +2

      @@BruceMcKenzie-q6l It is good to hear that mountain tribes are doing well, because of the North Viet. government trying to genocide them after the war

    • @QuanNguyen-dx6ht
      @QuanNguyen-dx6ht 4 месяца назад +2

      @@chadwick8193 điều này hoàn toàn vô căn cứ. 54 dân tộc chúng tôi đoàn kết lại trên mảnh đất đó và chính những người dân tộc thiểu số đó đã hỗ trợ chúng tôi thắng người Mỹ.

    • @jensenrocham7301
      @jensenrocham7301 4 месяца назад

      @@chadwick8193 they are still doing it today, if anyone tells you otherwise they are lying. They also stealing land from tribal people, false imprisonment etc..

  • @stevehalfhill6882
    @stevehalfhill6882 11 месяцев назад +7

    Thanks for this! Jogged old memories!

  • @johnknorr1140
    @johnknorr1140 11 месяцев назад +66

    That was very well put together people that did not understand what you guys did. Have a better idea. I was there in 1969-1970 and I was in with they called the warehouse area which I think you might have referred to in your explanation. That was a bad place. Thanks again you guys did a great job. You paid one hell of a price though.

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  11 месяцев назад +7

      Thanks

    • @mkd7961
      @mkd7961 11 месяцев назад +9

      salutes for your service

    • @lastknowngood0
      @lastknowngood0 10 месяцев назад +5

      Hearts of Gold, Balls of Steel these men are all heros! Hooah !

    • @gary4rmbikinibottom
      @gary4rmbikinibottom 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@mkd796188v4iiq😊4e

    • @SpicyTexan64
      @SpicyTexan64 5 месяцев назад

      Is English your first language?

  • @d.thorpe2046
    @d.thorpe2046 5 месяцев назад +1

    That was awesome. We don't hear the voices of our enemies often enough.
    I will look for your book!

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  5 месяцев назад

      Thanks. Hope you enjoy it! www.amazon.com/dp/B0875JSK6K

  • @kiwanozukai1180
    @kiwanozukai1180 4 месяца назад +1

    from the vietnamese perspective this really was their war for independence. completely respectable and intimidating enemy to come up against

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  4 месяца назад +1

      SOG's ground operators have great respect for these troops. Many of us have traveled to Vietnam and met them.

  • @sectorseven07
    @sectorseven07 5 месяцев назад +3

    I can't get over how much like Ray Liotta the narrator sounds

  • @Jewclaw
    @Jewclaw 2 месяца назад

    Could you do an expanded video on this topic? Or just NVA tactics in general? This is the most in depth video on NVA anywhere on RUclips

  • @IronMoose95
    @IronMoose95 4 месяца назад +2

    Love hearing about the NVA. It's insane to think about how they coordinated moving so many people and logistics with an army that fought in flip flops.
    Also you sound like your wearing a Philly Eagles shirt

  • @felipeavila3289
    @felipeavila3289 5 месяцев назад +36

    true heroes, defended their country like hell!

    • @esanahka9284
      @esanahka9284 5 месяцев назад +4

      They didn't. North Vietnamese were invading the south and attacked them from neighbouring countries as well.

    • @benismcballsacc5083
      @benismcballsacc5083 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@esanahka9284 outside forces forced a divide between north and south when really the viet minh should've been allowed their win after the defeat of france. the north were the good guys, sorry.

    • @Autonamatonamaton
      @Autonamatonamaton 5 месяцев назад +30

      @@esanahka9284 Vietnam is one country, always has been. The "south" was a puppet government controlled by foreigners. It was a patriotic war of reunification, not an invasion. A country can't invade itself.

    • @Covey7342
      @Covey7342 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@AutonamatonamatonI think all the South Vietnamese forced into communist reeducation camps for years would disagree lol

    • @macobuzi
      @macobuzi 5 месяцев назад +6

      @@Autonamatonamaton South Korean people would disagree with you. Do you think they would want to unite under a communist regime? Vietnam could be an Asian powerhouse nowadays should the US win the war.

  • @yuval5628
    @yuval5628 5 месяцев назад +4

    Have you ever gone back to Vietnam since the war? It would be wild to sit down and talk to one of the guys you used to shoot at.

  • @davidspence8866
    @davidspence8866 5 месяцев назад +5

    I love your videos and I love your interviews

  • @Briselance
    @Briselance 5 месяцев назад +9

    Being recruited, trained, equipped and sent to fight the best US special troops.
    Now this would be something to have cold sweat about.

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  5 месяцев назад +10

      They made us pay a very high price

  • @jeffersonwright6249
    @jeffersonwright6249 4 месяца назад +1

    NOW I get why the NVA held on to Hue so tenaciously: it would not be lost on the Vietnamese people that the NVA were the modern inheritors of 2000 years of Vietnamese history and legitimacy

  • @warmpotatoes1
    @warmpotatoes1 5 месяцев назад

    This is an excellent video. Thanks for making this.

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  4 месяца назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @ucnguyenanh9414
    @ucnguyenanh9414 11 месяцев назад +23

    Missed opportunity of having the NVA flags turn into the NLF flags once they enter South Vietnam

  • @guymcmullan9297
    @guymcmullan9297 11 месяцев назад +7

    Thank you , Airborne all the way brother 🐓☠️

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  11 месяцев назад

      You bet

    • @ucnguyenanh9414
      @ucnguyenanh9414 10 месяцев назад +5

      Funny thing you mentioned Airborne, because these Trường Sơn Commandos were mainly consisted of former members of the short-lived 305th Airborne Brigade.

  • @htodd4014
    @htodd4014 3 месяца назад

    My uncle helped train locals in the green berets and he said that he was very impressed with how the north fought.

  • @tedfio1tedfio1
    @tedfio1tedfio1 11 месяцев назад +7

    My cousin Ron was an LT or Captain in MACV-SOG under Dick Meadows at MMFOB.

  • @badlanz8642
    @badlanz8642 11 месяцев назад +4

    Another great vid

  • @7D.45
    @7D.45 5 месяцев назад +18

    VNDCCH - Con cháu của các chiến binh đã 3 lần đánh tan đội quân Mông Cổ

    • @WangMingGe
      @WangMingGe 5 месяцев назад +1

      Indeed.

    • @alijankhan3330
      @alijankhan3330 5 месяцев назад +3

      Yeah from what I recall reading/hearing the Mongol style of warfare wasn't suited for the jungles and they kept getting ambushed whenever they would stop for their horses to drink at rivers/streams

    • @Ages_of_domination
      @Ages_of_domination 5 месяцев назад

      hello from a serbian, i have respect for vietnamese and VCs

    • @scorpiontdalpha9799
      @scorpiontdalpha9799 4 месяца назад

      ​@@alijankhan3330Well actually, we defeated them through attritional warfare, using scorch earth tactics to deny any resources and raid supply lines.
      There are times they also tried to invade through the sea, but Mongolians were never known for naval warfare

  • @jensenrocham7301
    @jensenrocham7301 4 месяца назад +1

    My grandfather was one of those tribes man, promised they would be brought back to the U.S but left behind and was tortured after the war, his kids (my mom's brothers) are still being persecuted today.

    • @QuanNguyen-dx6ht
      @QuanNguyen-dx6ht 4 месяца назад

      Đừng dối trá

    • @jensenrocham7301
      @jensenrocham7301 4 месяца назад +1

      @@QuanNguyen-dx6ht Chúa biết sự thật và một ngày nào đó ngài sẽ phán xét mę mài.

  • @tombrown3072
    @tombrown3072 5 месяцев назад +4

    great video

  • @samueljacobson1181
    @samueljacobson1181 5 месяцев назад

    this dude is a beast. great video

  • @richardpierce7819
    @richardpierce7819 6 месяцев назад +2

    My dad did 2 tours in Nam with ths 9th Marines he was a communicator. My Step dad did 1 tour with on a River Boat.

  • @gamezguy71
    @gamezguy71 5 месяцев назад +3

    Dude, what a great video, I'm definitely subscribing. I am very much getting into military history after being into it all of my life, and I have recently been fascinated with SOG and have been reading several books about them (will get yours soon), and I love the illustrations you are giving here with the videos, it's really helpful in getting a better understanding of events. A lot of info I have to cross reference after reading about it for better understanding of things, and I think you've found a great balance of depth and accessibility. I wish more people my generation knew about SOG, I think they need to be a bigger name of discussion when mentioning the Vietnam War in general. Much respect to you and hi from Dallas!

  • @CandC68
    @CandC68 11 месяцев назад +7

    Another excellent presentation.

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  11 месяцев назад +4

      Thanks. I spent a lot of time reading Vietnamese translations to get this. It's interesting because like SOG it took until the late 1990s for them to get recognized.

  • @Shiruvan
    @Shiruvan 4 месяца назад +1

    a thought flashed in my mind; 'If Mike Ehrmantraut was less grovely and told his stories'

  • @petemills5130
    @petemills5130 5 месяцев назад +1

    What brilliant soldier s they were

  • @BrochachoEnchilada
    @BrochachoEnchilada 5 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you!

  • @fraternitas5117
    @fraternitas5117 5 месяцев назад +8

    I was told the story by a Green Beret SOG Veteran that his time in Laos which they were never in involved infiltrating NVA camps and blowing them up. The mission that got him out of the war was his GB company falling back from such an operation when they and the local militia were counter attacked by 3 NVA battalions over the course of 5 days. Only two in his company survived and that was only due to air support. The man I know said he was wounded in the leg and was passing out as his friend pulled him through the jungle and back to friendly lines. The other side was later estimated to have had 5,000 casualties. He was a very well known business man and very successful in later years.

  • @BruceMcKenzie-q6l
    @BruceMcKenzie-q6l 5 месяцев назад +12

    The Vietnamese soldiers were very tough!

  • @kitharrison8799
    @kitharrison8799 5 месяцев назад

    Amazing video

  • @eklypised
    @eklypised 9 месяцев назад

    Great series brother

  • @fuzzydunlop7928
    @fuzzydunlop7928 4 месяца назад

    2:51 - I have some questions about this picture. Looks like they're wearing M1 helmets. That doesn't surprise me a whole lot for a few reasons but it's cool none the less. What really gets my curiousity piqued is what looks like a high-collar flak jacket, is that what I'm seeing here? Man, I would LOVE to know more about that. Reminds me a bit of the WW2-era soviet rigid sapper's vest of dubious utility but it doesn't look quite so rigid.
    Might have more in common with the heavy flak vests that allied bomber crews wore and that would make sense as whether in the skies over occupied Europe or on the supply trails of Laos and Cambodia, you're dealing with roughly similar occupational hazards. Very cool to see.

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  4 месяца назад

      PAVN truck drivers on the Ho Chi Minh Trail wore helmets and flack jackets.

  • @Xeonzs
    @Xeonzs 5 месяцев назад +5

    This was awesome to watch, when I was younger I thought it was just the awesome west fighting dirty commies, but then as I got older and visited Vietnam I realized the vietnamese people were just tired and angry of the constant occupation of their country by foreign powers, I think anyone who loves their country can understand that feeling.
    In the end I learned to respect both sides and even ended up marrying a Vietnamese girl (she was an international exchange student in my country), it's funny because her father's side fought for the south but the "relative" side of her family, for example a man she calls her uncle (but isn't by blood) fought for the north, so at first when I was there I joked that I was vietcong (like the stupid tourist I was), but didn't realize I offended 1 side of her family that way.
    We visited some battle locations like da nang and Hue, you can still see some of the destruction, especially in Hue, managed to see a lot of weapons and vehicles from both sides even some off-limit ones as the locals told me to just climb over the fences to get a closer look, the guards won't care.
    The thing I still have a hard time "understanding" or "feeling" is that a lot of the guys fighting were just in there early 20s, I can't imagine myself being young and stupid and having to fight a war, although now I"m in my mid thirties and I don't see myself getting down and dirty either, perhaps I'm just meant for civilian life and not military life, but I feel sorry for many of the men, especially ones who would've preferred to just be with their family or loved ones.
    I didn't really look at war that way, before the above described experiences I often fantasized about world war 2 related things and thought it was so cool, all the weapon and vehicle engineering, but I didn't really think about the men and families and everything.
    Surprisingly I know more about the war now than my wife, because a lot of students there, even from her generation (the offspring and 2nd generation offspring of the war) don't really care, they studied it cause they had to, did the exams, then forgot the knowledge.
    Since I figured a lot of westerners already paid tribute to the western cause when visiting Vietnam, when we went to visit some of the rural villages to visit my wife's family, I asked her father if there were and VC graveyards nearby so we could pay respect their and maybe clean some tombstones, it honestly felt very nice to pay respects, not seeing them as enemies of the west, but just people who fought for the freedom of their country.
    Sorry, kinda went off a on a rant, just felt like sharing my thoughts.

    • @Ages_of_domination
      @Ages_of_domination 5 месяцев назад +2

      you had one reader, buddy. modern warfare is f%cked. booby traps, faceoffs , storming positions snipers artillery air warfare about a thousand types of death from every single angle at all times and if youre on rotation you better wish for mercy lol

    • @Xeonzs
      @Xeonzs 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Ages_of_domination definitely, I feel very privileged not having to fight a war and just living a cozy civilian life.

    • @Ages_of_domination
      @Ages_of_domination 5 месяцев назад

      @@Xeonzs ehh... Such a thing has created more degenerates in developed nations than anything else... in terms of human capital.
      Which will most certainly lead to conflict because of an imbalance of such standards, differences and misunderstandings

  • @DeadManSinging1
    @DeadManSinging1 5 месяцев назад +8

    Finally a channel that covers the GOOD SIDE of this war

  • @fortesfortunajuvat6782
    @fortesfortunajuvat6782 9 месяцев назад +2

    I'm curious if you ever met George Bacon. He was with MACV-SOG either in '68 or '69, maybe both. Can't remember.

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  9 месяцев назад +4

      No. I never had the pleasure

    • @fortesfortunajuvat6782
      @fortesfortunajuvat6782 9 месяцев назад +1

      Sorry that never happened. You two would have gotten along very well, I think.@@DawsonsWar

  • @armyman-ig7qs
    @armyman-ig7qs 9 месяцев назад +3

    What was the purpose of the ammo boxes filled with sand for?

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  9 месяцев назад +16

      They weighted the ropes that the helicopter dropped. They were disconnected and the soldiers hooked onto the ropes and were pulled out through the trees.

    • @armyman-ig7qs
      @armyman-ig7qs 9 месяцев назад

      @@DawsonsWar thanks and great video.

    • @CBHarvey
      @CBHarvey 5 месяцев назад

      @@DawsonsWarwow.

  • @burningknuckle26
    @burningknuckle26 5 месяцев назад +1

    Ferocious warriors.

    • @QuanNguyen-dx6ht
      @QuanNguyen-dx6ht 4 месяца назад

      Chúng tôi chỉ là những người nông dân. Bụng đói chân Trần và trái tim Dũng cảm

  • @sirseegull
    @sirseegull 5 месяцев назад +14

    just goes to show how silly the US plans for military strategy always are

    • @dannyzero692
      @dannyzero692 5 месяцев назад +1

      It depends, sometimes they made a masterpiece like Desert Storm and then shat themselves in Iraqi Freedom.

    • @sirseegull
      @sirseegull 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@dannyzero692 those were both epic failures bro. decades in a single country using the drug kingpin strategy in war only to not achieve anything. in the aftermath tons of armed militant groups vying for power.

  • @mark0183
    @mark0183 5 месяцев назад +1

    Ho chi mihn looks like a real life isshin ashina

  • @markjamison9677
    @markjamison9677 5 месяцев назад +5

    MAC SOG was super humans to fight such a determined enemy on their own ground . Amazing soldiers .

    • @Archer89201
      @Archer89201 5 месяцев назад +7

      Them Vietnamese are the real super human, fighting against overwhelming american firepower and technological advantage

    • @bluechains3452
      @bluechains3452 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@Archer89201800k to 1 million of Vietnamese “super soldiers” died during the war.

    • @Archer89201
      @Archer89201 5 месяцев назад

      @@bluechains3452 they forced a super power to fuck off and unified their country worth it.

    • @cloudynguyen6527
      @cloudynguyen6527 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@bluechains3452 Actually, 800k to 1 million of Vietnamese civilian died during the war. And these death come from American bombing ;_;

    • @bluechains3452
      @bluechains3452 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@cloudynguyen6527 no thats literally soldier losses published from the government of Vietnam. Civilians casualties were much higher than 1 million.

  • @alfredpaquin3563
    @alfredpaquin3563 Месяц назад

    Phu Bai is awright! Camp Eagle 1970 and 1971.

  • @cat_city2009
    @cat_city2009 5 месяцев назад +1

    Based Vietnam.

  • @_ZimZam
    @_ZimZam 5 месяцев назад

    Nice

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  5 месяцев назад

      Glad you found it worth watching

  • @johnbroome323
    @johnbroome323 5 месяцев назад

    Narrator is definitely from Philly!

  • @greasyflight6609
    @greasyflight6609 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you

  • @naturesquad9174
    @naturesquad9174 5 месяцев назад

    you might be able to answer this. Did the Speaker systems in Operation wandering soul actually fool anyone? Cuz I feel like If i was an NV fighter i would immediately know some funny business was up.

    • @Azazel2024
      @Azazel2024 4 месяца назад

      Yes..and sure you would

    • @naturesquad9174
      @naturesquad9174 4 месяца назад

      @@Azazel2024 any proof of this claim? Officer sources don't give any solid evidence the NVA believed these messages were ghosts, but imply that they were more likely demoralized from the bombardment of messages reminding them what they were risking and leaving behind. A lot of these ideas were deferred to PHDs to brainstorm for Bragg and such places, and the Ace of spades op failed because the message had no cultural context for the NV...it was reported that it mainly was to improve morale of US troops, to give them the sense that this was their turf and their cool calling card.
      Guerillas interviewed about the "Evil Eye" leaflets, which gave the message the Gods of the Jungle were working for the US military, claimed they appeared nonsensical, because the jungle is where they felt safest and they had no cultural reason to believe the Gods of the Jungle would support the Invader that was destroying the jungle.
      Sounds like a lot of mystique to me.
      For villagers at least, the material says there was an official NV campaign to eradicate local superstition in response to these attempts, which of course means they were well aware of all these "spooky" gimmicks being attempted by the US. Makes you wonder what else the US is embellishing.

    • @naturesquad9174
      @naturesquad9174 4 месяца назад

      @@Azazel2024 seems my reply disappeared. to sum it up, the military sources imply the "efficacy" of these ops (wandering soul, ace of spades, evil eye) was embellished (as in wandering soul, which was demoralizing because it was an obnoxious bombardment of classical psyop messaging) or was outright ineffective like 'evil eye leaflets' as guerillas simply thought "why would the gods of the jungle, where we feel safest, support the Invader who is actively burning and destroying the forest?"
      A lot of mystique, in other words.

  • @DMMRNE
    @DMMRNE 5 месяцев назад

    I met a SOG guy once, he was fucked up.

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  5 месяцев назад

      I’ve met a couple of thousand on this channel. Which is quite amazing when you consider only a few hundred of us are still alive.

  • @GentleGiant-tt2uu
    @GentleGiant-tt2uu 5 месяцев назад +2

    You like TiK just for Vietnam war.

    • @robertkalinic335
      @robertkalinic335 5 месяцев назад +1

      Bro dont tell me he starts explaining some half baked economics or mentally feeble arguments why communism bad, capitalism good.

    • @GentleGiant-tt2uu
      @GentleGiant-tt2uu 5 месяцев назад

      @@robertkalinic335 Capitalism is better, because works better in reality. That why communism lost cold war, and ex communist counties in majority introduced market economy.

    • @robertkalinic335
      @robertkalinic335 5 месяцев назад

      @@GentleGiant-tt2uu Idc what bs about communism u believe, Tik is so heavily biased that even though he makes ok job with history, it throws heavy shade when he talks about communists.
      Example, he claimed that yugoslavian partisans are responsible for german policy of retribution on civilians simply because they resisted and didn't work with nazis and italians like chetniks... he wouldn't say it for other resistance groups like polish or french or resisting in general, but he will tell u how Tito is calculated cold murderer that traded civilians safety for power.
      There was more stuff like this but i unsubscribed years ago and dont remember everything.
      I dont think anyone who knows tik well wants to talk about him anymore because everything was already said years ago and he is sort of a village idiot frozen in arrested development, relic of older yt when libertarianism was popular.

    • @LordTutTut
      @LordTutTut 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@robertkalinic335 Agreed, I was watching a TiK video about german logistics which was genuinely well thought out for the first twelve minutes. Unfortunately the rest of the video was a thinly veiled love letter to capitalism that suggested that an undistorted price economy is the reason why Amazon is efficient with logistics, but the NHS was a 'black hole' of money and resources. Dude seriously suggested that soldiers should have to buy their ammunition lmao- goes to show that even when someone is incredibly knowledgeable in one thing, it pays to stay in your lane.

    • @robertkalinic335
      @robertkalinic335 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@LordTutTut Lmaooooo u cant make that shit up.
      Mg section give me suppressing fire on that bunker...
      Sorry cant afford that, what little ammo we have we save for market speculation.

  • @BinhLe-bz2eu
    @BinhLe-bz2eu 5 месяцев назад +1

    The Truth about the Vietnam War that was never told to American peoples. The Vietnam War started during the Civil Rights movement and racial tension between whites and blacks all across America. Several members in the US government were segregationist and they had their eyes dumping their Blacks problem on Vietnam with the chaos that was happening in Vietnam at that time between Communist North Vietnam and South Vietnam. At that time, the South Vietnamese had 250,000 troops and North Vietnamese had 60,000 troops and the DMZ line had already been establish at the 17th parallel. Many Vietnamese peoples from both North and South did Not support going to War and killing each other over the idea of Communist. Even though several North and South Vietnamese leaders believe Vietnam should Not be divided and try to distrupt one another. But they couldn't rally enough support among the Vietnamese peoples in Vietnam to support going to War. Until Nov. 2, 1963 When JF Kennedy and LB Johnson order his CIA to stage a military coup assasination on a catholic South Vietnamese President, Ngô Đình Diệm and his young brother Ngô Đình Nhu. This give America the power to do what ever they want to Vietnam and to the Vietnamese peoples. And they appointed an ex-Vietminh soldiers, Nguyễn Văn Thiệu as their puppet South Vietnamese President. The South Vietnamese President who cause the lives of 500,000 South Vietnamese troops killed or capture by the North Vietnamese army and their communist allies The Pathet Lao army, and the Communist Khmer Rouge army of Cambodia when he order them to be station and patrol in Kampuchea. And who told Nguyễn Văn Thiệu to do so? The United States, fear more Americans troops will be killed in Kampuchea. 20 days after the military coup assassination of South Vietnamese President Ngô Đình Diệm and his young brother Ngô Đình Nhu. US President JF Kennedy was assasinated in Dallas, TX on Nov 22, 1963 and LB Johnson was sworn in as the 36th US President. On Aug 10, 1964, US President LB Johnson declare US military action to Vietnam over an alleged attack on a US destroyer, Maddox that was on patrol past the 17th parallel near Hanoi, the capital of North Vietnam. While supporting the South Vietnam. 500,000 US ground troops was sent to fight in Vietnam. 40% of those US troops that were sent to fight in Vietnam were adult blacks male along with high school drop out white male, non-college white male, trouble teen white male, and white convict male were all sent to fight in Vietnam. And when these US troops arrive in Vietnam and they did their "Search and Destroyed mission." The Communist North Vietnam gain mass support for their cause and their army grew from 60,000 troops to over 1,000,000 troops. In 1975, the Democrats control congress cuts off funds to all US promise military aids to South Vietnam causing the Fall of Saigon, the capital of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. Thus began a mass flow of Vietnamese refugee fleeing out of Vietnam. 10 of thousands of Vietnamese refugee died at sea from hunger, thirst, illness, Thai pirates, and Chinese warships. Today over 100's of thousands young South Vietnamese childrens are born of birth defect from the US toxic biological chemical, Agent Orange which the US military spray all over rivers and forest of South Vietnam. 3,000,000 innocent Vietnamese civilians of women, childrens, and old peoples had to die in their country during the Vietnam War. The Vietnam War is the worse United States War Crime in history. From Truman, JF Kennedy and LB Johnson were all were WWI and WWII veteran who sent the next young American men to become killers. Why I post this is because for years I'm tired Americans use Vietnam War as a Propaganda War story. Telling peoples that they there to help South Vietnam fight against communist North Vietnam. When America is the root cause of the Vietnam War and the downfall of South Vietnam.

  • @user-03-gsa3
    @user-03-gsa3 5 месяцев назад

    what an incredible video

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  5 месяцев назад

      Thanks for watching

  • @ShopeeMarketteam
    @ShopeeMarketteam 4 месяца назад

    Its crazy to see this from the enemy's perspective, having to fight against almost a mythical enemy, training constantly and when the they finally show up, they wipe half of your team out and disappear
    Crazy stuff

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  4 месяца назад

      They had plenty of successes against us. We have nothing but respect for them.

  • @N238E
    @N238E 5 месяцев назад +7

    That must have been both humiliating and infuriating for the hunter/killer squads. Those MAC V SOG guys were as slippery as they were deadly.

    • @OnkelAdiSuperstar
      @OnkelAdiSuperstar 5 месяцев назад +22

      After the war, they released declassifed information that the SOG has over 100% casualty rate (wounded and deployed again). Not so slippery then.

    • @SavageDragon999
      @SavageDragon999 5 месяцев назад +9

      mav sog that time was only saved by helicopters. They'd have been hunted down if they hadn't been rescued.

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  5 месяцев назад +21

      The Truong Son Commandos were never humiliated. They were an elite fighting force that we had the utmost respect for.

    • @silvadossantos6803
      @silvadossantos6803 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@OnkelAdiSuperstartheir mission was insane.

  • @d0o0b-w1g
    @d0o0b-w1g 5 месяцев назад

    you sound like something out of metal gear

  • @patricknoel9096
    @patricknoel9096 5 месяцев назад

    spooky see how trained vietnam even vc was .say they like you in a full see whats now cooking....

  • @Im_No_Expert_72
    @Im_No_Expert_72 5 месяцев назад

    👍🏅

  • @plethoraofpinatas.
    @plethoraofpinatas. 5 месяцев назад +1

    Is this a dark comedy?

  • @nolanjohnson2009
    @nolanjohnson2009 5 месяцев назад +1

    It's so hard to get Vietnams side of things, even trying to look at Viet you tube and such and I cant find much

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  5 месяцев назад +1

      Dan Duffy is the CEO of the Viet Nam Literature Project. (vietnamlit.org/). He does a great job getting me the Viet side of things.

  • @denishannan1408
    @denishannan1408 4 месяца назад

    Great account of a terrible era . No bone spurs with these HEROES.

  • @MH-dy5pb
    @MH-dy5pb 5 месяцев назад +1

    🇻🇳

  • @shinigamit0d142
    @shinigamit0d142 5 месяцев назад

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  • @greasyflight6609
    @greasyflight6609 10 месяцев назад

    Lam Son 719

  • @sumerianfarmer5363
    @sumerianfarmer5363 5 месяцев назад +5

    Americans outclassed by farmers

    • @mindlesstrope
      @mindlesstrope 5 месяцев назад +3

      Outclassed? did you not watch 11:33 - 12:11?

    • @elliotd.6999
      @elliotd.6999 5 месяцев назад

      You obviously didn’t watch the vid then

  • @MontgomeryMelancon
    @MontgomeryMelancon 9 месяцев назад

    🦇4️⃣🧛

  • @ktm8848
    @ktm8848 5 месяцев назад +1

    Let's put it straight north vietnamies soldiers were more ambitious and more dedicated than US soldiers

    • @ryanvandoren1519
      @ryanvandoren1519 5 месяцев назад +4

      Well they were defending their home, i would hope they can fight better in their own turf.

  • @kialee2622
    @kialee2622 7 месяцев назад +1

    You loose

  • @DieSuper-Influencer
    @DieSuper-Influencer 4 месяца назад

    Dua cai mat tron xoe 🦎

  • @z0ro_62
    @z0ro_62 5 месяцев назад +2

    It was the own us press that gave them the win

    • @htwarreh4468
      @htwarreh4468 5 месяцев назад +11

      Always with that bullshit

    • @user-gt5me3nf6b
      @user-gt5me3nf6b 5 месяцев назад +9

      why should we be losing 50 thousand americans in a silly war on the other side of the planet

    • @attackmaster519
      @attackmaster519 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@user-gt5me3nf6b Because Communism is the greatest sin Mankind has ever committed, and therefore expunging it is the greatest form of salvation Mankind can ever achieve?

    • @user-gt5me3nf6b
      @user-gt5me3nf6b 5 месяцев назад +11

      @@attackmaster519 you’re under the age of 25 and I can sense it

    • @attackmaster519
      @attackmaster519 5 месяцев назад

      @user-gt5me3nf6b 24, so right on the money. And forced to grow up in a world where my fathers and their fathers didn't care to do anything about the problem. But I'll be damned if I end up bringing a child into the world that still stuff suffers the risk of enslavement under Marxism.

  • @davidpompili7593
    @davidpompili7593 5 месяцев назад +1

    3 DK NVA Battalions ... 24 June 1969 massacre/evacuation of Muong Soui, anybody else who wants to lie about/ignore it ??/ Should be a bunch of typewriter commandos on board..

  • @PencilProper
    @PencilProper 5 месяцев назад

    False. The most dangerous job the NVA had was fighting the Australian SASR.

    • @DawsonsWar
      @DawsonsWar  5 месяцев назад +3

      A difficult job, yes. But the NVA did not create a special unit to oppose SASR.

  • @Rocinante0489
    @Rocinante0489 5 месяцев назад +6

    gi go home