Fezandipti's story mentions it was once a drab and shabby bird Pokémon, male unfezant are already renowned for beautiful feathers alongside it's striking mask. The particular words used in Fezandipti's story suggest it was a Pokémon that we haven't seen yet or would not assume these adjectives apply to.
If male unfezant are renowned for their beautiful feathers that would reinforce it being an unfezant if it was a rare instance of an unfezant with ugly feathers
I think the pokemon ARE found in Kitakami. I think the narrative from the past was made to be unreliable and showing the ignorance of the town people who saw pokemon that did not look like the others. The common link for these original pokemon is that they were "less" and wanted to become "more" This can be said about any base form pokemon with an evolutionary line. Poochyena definitely makes sense for Okidogi. Mankey makes sense for Munkidori. Vullaby makes sense for Fezandipiti. Ignoring the poison types for a moment, the secondary type is super effective against the base forms (fighting SE against Poochyena, psychic strong against Mankey, and fairy is strong against Vullaby). Like you said, Poochyena is considered weak. In the same way Mankey's line is really about the conflict between brains and brawns, so formally being a fighting type would make sense for this change. And the Vullaby line can be described as the unremarkable sight of birds, not fully hatched in a diaper eggshell, as well it does not have a complete covering of feathers and has bald patches. Its evolved form is a vulture / turkey, which are two birds not at all renowned for beauty. I think these base forms mean the most when thinking of transformation, the backgrounds of these pokemon, and the unreliability of traditional tales.
I think that The Loyal Three can still be called that after the myth has been corrected. They're not loyal to Mossui, they're loyal to Dokutaro for granting their wishes and lending them it's power to make them more than what they were. That or they're loyal to it against their will. If you look carefully during the cutscene where they show the bottom half of Dokutaro, when it says the masks attracted more than just innocent curiosity, you'll notice that Dokutaro quickly appears first, apart from the other three. It probably heard stories about the infamous masks, then lent it's power to the loyal three, and tricked them into stealing the masks with the intentions of betraying them afterwards and leaving them for dead. Maybe the poison power tainted them and made them greedy, covetous, power-hungry (like Dokutaro) and easy to manipulate (like a puppet or a "zombie") and Dokutaro used them to do it's dirty work. Maybe the same will happen to Kieran.
They still could be called Loyal three anyway, because once you catch them after one on one battles,(one trainer to one wild Pokémon) they recognise your ability and become LOYAL to you, your guidance keeping them out of trouble.
i feel like they may be slighly inspired but probably would not be explained by gamefreak directly. similar to the case of the original form of entei, suicuine and raikou
Given it's expected capabilities Dokutaro is more of a forbidden fruit Pokémon than a peach Pokémon. Anyone else notice how Kieran displays seemingly impossible abilities in teal mask, his own grandfather mentions that his understanding of ogerpon's feelings is like he was there and he has seemingly always had this level of intuition. His emotions also effect reality around him, his rage and anguish resurrected the loyal three. He even does his hair up like momotaro at the end of the Dlc. Maybe Kieran isn't possessed by Dokutaro but is instead Dokutaro living as a human after all the boy and the Pokémon share both the same eye colour and doleful basic expression on their face.
While I don't believe that will happen because I personally don't think Pokémon is prepared to make a character that is both human and Pokémon, I *ADORE* that idea.
@@mrsnakehead1576 Tbh I was just guessing about Kieran and Dokutaro being the same entity, though recent leaks about Indigo Disk, all but put this possibility to bed. Kieran is going to comeback multiple times and in different forms all of which are human. Meaning he's just being puppet mastered, so it's more likely that Dokutaro has formed some kind of Symbiosis with the boy and we have to break that bond in order to catch Dokutaro. That said Dokutaro sounds more like a venom character than a Pokémon now with it's toxic chains forming symbiotic bonds to other entities in order to grant exceptional abilities. But that said my idea of it being a forbidden fruit Pokémon still stands as it is tempting others down potentially dark paths in order to gain exceptional abilities.
I like the idea that they're all originally from different regions, only brought together by greed. I'm on the side of them originally being Pokémon we've never seen (and possibly never will) who had the misfortune of being especially weak, foolish and ugly of their species.
I think people are over analyzing. Usually any kind of event legendary or mythical is said to come from another region which explains its status. I mean ultra beasts are technically regular Pokémon from another dimension
The loyal three story mentions that the greedy trio came to kitakami at the behest of someone greedy who coveted ogerpon's masks this explains their titles as retainer Pokémon. Also this states that they came from a single region, maybe paldea as paldea's greedy king was given a lot of 'treasures' this did include some Pokémon, the ruinous quartet and gimmighoul for example. Also the trio's hidden abilities may suggest alternatives on their original forms okidogi for example has guard dog as it's hidden ability which puts it more in line with a mabostiff.
There could be a brazil/Amazon basin region. The basin has so many birds of paradise. So the 3 original mons (of the loyal 3) could have a regional form like the Galarian/kantonian birds. It would be cool to see in the new region a bunch of non toxic chained fezandipiti/okidogi/munkidori.
Great video, personally I think the Loyal Three were Pokemon from a region we haven't seen yet. I have a mini prediction that the China could be the what the Gen 10 region could be based on with Chinese inspiration in both Legends Arceus and Scarlet and Violet.
Kitakami is basically a town in another region. It's extremely based off of rural Japan though, down to the name. So far only Johto, Kanto and sinnoh have been from Japan so I was assuming it was another part we haven't visited yet
They could have done more with Teal Mask but I still think Kieran is _such_ an important 'villain' to the series. Especially after the bland and laughable mobs of Sword and Shield. Scarlet/Violets main plot was great but your rival did not have that antagonistic aspect.
@@kylespevak6781 Yea, its a shame as you and others have stated , its theming is cool. But, on fairness in Carmine's own words, it is intended to be a pretty remote island not too used to welcoming groups of 'strangers'. I think only Gamefreak could pull off this odd situation as a standalone DLC though as its barely half of what people were expecting. It sort of is understandable they wantrd to keep things 'pure' but yea lack of content just wont wash with many.
I like to think the loyal three were abandoned Pokémon by their trainers. I know that’s probably played out but that allows for momotaro to get in their head and gain control etc etc. they had no problem attacking and killing ogrepons friend or trainer. Maybe even Pokémon that were abandoned in area zero I think all this stems from area zero
just glad we got more Poison type legendaries. Eternatus was nice but having more Poison's wouldn't hurt. Better than another Psychic or Dragon legendary. Still skeptical about this fourth legendary rumor but Indigo Disk will confirm whether that is true. The fourth member probably be Poison type too. Especially as rumors suggest that it is the leader of the loyal three.
I mean, the fourth legendary *is* in Teal Mask, we see it in the story of Ogerpon as the first silhouette to arrive followed by the loyal three, there's a stuffed version of it at the shop, and the festival lanterns match the typings of the loyal three and Ogerpon along with a ghost-type emblem, which would represent the trio leader
I've been thinking about how there's a "similar" pokemon to all of the loyal 3 in Kitakami. Okidogi looks like houndour, since they're both similar to dobermann dogs. Then there's fezandipiti who looks similar to bombirdier, being a black and white bird with fancy "eye makeup", and lastly munkidori... well aipom is a monkey at least lol. And for the last as of yet unrevealed one that appears to possibly just be a floating ball.... there's gastly! They're not perfect matches so it's probably just me, but I still think it's a fun comparison.
well I want to reveal this...the unrevealed one who appears to be a floating ball can't have been another pokemon previously...as its the one who transformed the loyal three
@@xxmension04xx47 And why is that? What in theory stops a gastly from having aquired the powers first, and then using those powers on other pokemon? There's no need to make up limits like that while making a silly theory 😜
@@xxmension04xx47 There's an almost infinite number of possibilities there though because it's the pokemon world! Who turned alolan riachu into an psychic type? Why does a water stone make lombre evolve? Why does a dusclops evolve - but only when traded holding a reaper cloth? Why can't any ursaring we catch evolve into bloodmoon ursaluna even when they're directly related? There is nothing stopping them from saying a rare item called "toxic chain" changed a gastly into this new pokemon.
Biggest issue for me is that Okidogi is a dog, based off of Shibas and Akitas. Poochyena is a hyena, hyenas are feliforms (basically, they’re cats but not exactly).
My theory is the Loyal Three used to be a Lucario who lost someone they cared about so it wished for strength so they could protect their remaining loved ones, a Pansage who wished to be smarter to outwit those who would harm those it cared about, and a Tranquil who was tricked into eating an everstone but after meeting the Lucario and Pansage it wished for beauty hoping it could finally evolve. The toxic chain warped their wishes until they became what they are.
Very interesting. I think the possibility of the loyal three all being from completely different regions is just as valid as all three of them being from one single region. And as you said, they could also still be a region that we have not seen yet... but they could also be from different regions and one or two those regions could potentially be regions that we haven't seen yet. What I mean by this is what if Munkidori and Fezandipiti were in fact originally Thwackey and Tranquill, but Okidogi was a pokemon that we will meet later in the future? Perhaps Fezandipiti was actually a bird pokemon that has yet to be introduced or is a regional/convergent form of a bird pokemon that is even uglier as while Tranquill is not as pretty as it's evolution, there could be a pokemon even uglier that will be introduced when Gen 10 comes around. Just some extra thoughts that could add to what you have said in this theory 😀
@@lumiosepost yep! We don't know what they'll give us in the future generations! Gen 10 could very well take place in the region that Kitakami is located and could have all three pokemon in that region! Kitakami already has the Mightyena line in it's Pokedex! Who's to say that the rest of the region isn't gonna have the other two original species in it? 😀
@@lumiosepost Or imma try to explain to you if you go to the directors office then go to the desk on the left its two crystals one on the front of the desk close to the directors desk then another on the left of it i think one is lavender or amethyst thenn the other is turquoise or green then if you go on the left close to the door but all the way to the left in front of the book shelf is a green book on top of a lavender book
Incorrect. Anybody who makes money off of covering a franchise where the names are a foundational and fundamental aspect of the canon should be expected to do their research and be able to accurately speak on the subject for which they are being paid. This is shameful, but more importantly it is infuriatingly annoying. Do. The. Work.
Sorry! How I’ve pronounced it all my life. Nobody’s perfect and there are over 1000 of these guys so I think everyone has some that they mispronounce. But I am very sorry that that hindered your experience :)
@@lumiosepost it’s just not one of the understandable ones. Poochyena is named “pooch hyena” and there is zero ambiguity about it, nor of any he penultimate vowel being an “e”. Many of us have been fans of this game series since childhood because of a love of wordplay being constantly fed by the franchise. We still love you, LumiosePost, but just explaining why.
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Fezandipti's story mentions it was once a drab and shabby bird Pokémon, male unfezant are already renowned for beautiful feathers alongside it's striking mask. The particular words used in Fezandipti's story suggest it was a Pokémon that we haven't seen yet or would not assume these adjectives apply to.
If male unfezant are renowned for their beautiful feathers that would reinforce it being an unfezant if it was a rare instance of an unfezant with ugly feathers
I think Okidogi is rockruff-night Lycanroc. He has the rockruff curly tail and has the Night Lycanroc's upright stance and hanging out tongue.
I think the pokemon ARE found in Kitakami. I think the narrative from the past was made to be unreliable and showing the ignorance of the town people who saw pokemon that did not look like the others.
The common link for these original pokemon is that they were "less" and wanted to become "more"
This can be said about any base form pokemon with an evolutionary line.
Poochyena definitely makes sense for Okidogi.
Mankey makes sense for Munkidori.
Vullaby makes sense for Fezandipiti.
Ignoring the poison types for a moment, the secondary type is super effective against the base forms (fighting SE against Poochyena, psychic strong against Mankey, and fairy is strong against Vullaby).
Like you said, Poochyena is considered weak. In the same way Mankey's line is really about the conflict between brains and brawns, so formally being a fighting type would make sense for this change. And the Vullaby line can be described as the unremarkable sight of birds, not fully hatched in a diaper eggshell, as well it does not have a complete covering of feathers and has bald patches. Its evolved form is a vulture / turkey, which are two birds not at all renowned for beauty.
I think these base forms mean the most when thinking of transformation, the backgrounds of these pokemon, and the unreliability of traditional tales.
I think that The Loyal Three can still be called that after the myth has been corrected. They're not loyal to Mossui, they're loyal to Dokutaro for granting their wishes and lending them it's power to make them more than what they were. That or they're loyal to it against their will. If you look carefully during the cutscene where they show the bottom half of Dokutaro, when it says the masks attracted more than just innocent curiosity, you'll notice that Dokutaro quickly appears first, apart from the other three. It probably heard stories about the infamous masks, then lent it's power to the loyal three, and tricked them into stealing the masks with the intentions of betraying them afterwards and leaving them for dead. Maybe the poison power tainted them and made them greedy, covetous, power-hungry (like Dokutaro) and easy to manipulate (like a puppet or a "zombie") and Dokutaro used them to do it's dirty work. Maybe the same will happen to Kieran.
The Lousy Three
They still could be called Loyal three anyway, because once you catch them after one on one battles,(one trainer to one wild Pokémon) they recognise your ability and become LOYAL to you, your guidance keeping them out of trouble.
i feel like they may be slighly inspired but probably would not be explained by gamefreak directly. similar to the case of the original form of entei, suicuine and raikou
Given it's expected capabilities Dokutaro is more of a forbidden fruit Pokémon than a peach Pokémon. Anyone else notice how Kieran displays seemingly impossible abilities in teal mask, his own grandfather mentions that his understanding of ogerpon's feelings is like he was there and he has seemingly always had this level of intuition. His emotions also effect reality around him, his rage and anguish resurrected the loyal three. He even does his hair up like momotaro at the end of the Dlc. Maybe Kieran isn't possessed by Dokutaro but is instead Dokutaro living as a human after all the boy and the Pokémon share both the same eye colour and doleful basic expression on their face.
While I don't believe that will happen because I personally don't think Pokémon is prepared to make a character that is both human and Pokémon, I *ADORE* that idea.
@@mrsnakehead1576 Tbh I was just guessing about Kieran and Dokutaro being the same entity, though recent leaks about Indigo Disk, all but put this possibility to bed. Kieran is going to comeback multiple times and in different forms all of which are human. Meaning he's just being puppet mastered, so it's more likely that Dokutaro has formed some kind of Symbiosis with the boy and we have to break that bond in order to catch Dokutaro. That said Dokutaro sounds more like a venom character than a Pokémon now with it's toxic chains forming symbiotic bonds to other entities in order to grant exceptional abilities. But that said my idea of it being a forbidden fruit Pokémon still stands as it is tempting others down potentially dark paths in order to gain exceptional abilities.
I like the idea that they're all originally from different regions, only brought together by greed. I'm on the side of them originally being Pokémon we've never seen (and possibly never will) who had the misfortune of being especially weak, foolish and ugly of their species.
I pike the idea that they are a single stage mon and the Dokutaro effect helped them achieve that further evo/power they really wanted
As do I! It’s definitely my head canon if nothing else
I think people are over analyzing. Usually any kind of event legendary or mythical is said to come from another region which explains its status. I mean ultra beasts are technically regular Pokémon from another dimension
The loyal three story mentions that the greedy trio came to kitakami at the behest of someone greedy who coveted ogerpon's masks this explains their titles as retainer Pokémon. Also this states that they came from a single region, maybe paldea as paldea's greedy king was given a lot of 'treasures' this did include some Pokémon, the ruinous quartet and gimmighoul for example. Also the trio's hidden abilities may suggest alternatives on their original forms okidogi for example has guard dog as it's hidden ability which puts it more in line with a mabostiff.
There could be a brazil/Amazon basin region. The basin has so many birds of paradise. So the 3 original mons (of the loyal 3) could have a regional form like the Galarian/kantonian birds. It would be cool to see in the new region a bunch of non toxic chained fezandipiti/okidogi/munkidori.
Non legendary versions
Munkidori has traits of an Oranguru aswell.
Great video, personally I think the Loyal Three were Pokemon from a region we haven't seen yet. I have a mini prediction that the China could be the what the Gen 10 region could be based on with Chinese inspiration in both Legends Arceus and Scarlet and Violet.
Buss down poochy-anna 🤣
Kitakami is basically a town in another region. It's extremely based off of rural Japan though, down to the name. So far only Johto, Kanto and sinnoh have been from Japan so I was assuming it was another part we haven't visited yet
They could have done more with Teal Mask but I still think Kieran is _such_ an important 'villain' to the series. Especially after the bland and laughable mobs of Sword and Shield. Scarlet/Violets main plot was great but your rival did not have that antagonistic aspect.
@@netweed09 teal mask did feel pretty shallow. I think I beat it in 2 hours
@@kylespevak6781 Yea, its a shame as you and others have stated , its theming is cool. But, on fairness in Carmine's own words, it is intended to be a pretty remote island not too used to welcoming groups of 'strangers'. I think only Gamefreak could pull off this odd situation as a standalone DLC though as its barely half of what people were expecting. It sort of is understandable they wantrd to keep things 'pure' but yea lack of content just wont wash with many.
Hoenn too
I like to think the loyal three were abandoned Pokémon by their trainers. I know that’s probably played out but that allows for momotaro to get in their head and gain control etc etc. they had no problem attacking and killing ogrepons friend or trainer. Maybe even Pokémon that were abandoned in area zero I think all this stems from area zero
It’s a very slow poke like evolution method
just glad we got more Poison type legendaries. Eternatus was nice but having more Poison's wouldn't hurt. Better than another Psychic or Dragon legendary. Still skeptical about this fourth legendary rumor but Indigo Disk will confirm whether that is true. The fourth member probably be Poison type too. Especially as rumors suggest that it is the leader of the loyal three.
I agree! Poison needed some love!
I mean, the fourth legendary *is* in Teal Mask, we see it in the story of Ogerpon as the first silhouette to arrive followed by the loyal three, there's a stuffed version of it at the shop, and the festival lanterns match the typings of the loyal three and Ogerpon along with a ghost-type emblem, which would represent the trio leader
I've been thinking about how there's a "similar" pokemon to all of the loyal 3 in Kitakami. Okidogi looks like houndour, since they're both similar to dobermann dogs. Then there's fezandipiti who looks similar to bombirdier, being a black and white bird with fancy "eye makeup", and lastly munkidori... well aipom is a monkey at least lol. And for the last as of yet unrevealed one that appears to possibly just be a floating ball.... there's gastly! They're not perfect matches so it's probably just me, but I still think it's a fun comparison.
well I want to reveal this...the unrevealed one who appears to be a floating ball can't have been another pokemon previously...as its the one who transformed the loyal three
@@xxmension04xx47 And why is that? What in theory stops a gastly from having aquired the powers first, and then using those powers on other pokemon? There's no need to make up limits like that while making a silly theory 😜
the fact that it puts into question who gave the gastly the powers@@EliteTrainerLin
@@xxmension04xx47 There's an almost infinite number of possibilities there though because it's the pokemon world! Who turned alolan riachu into an psychic type? Why does a water stone make lombre evolve? Why does a dusclops evolve - but only when traded holding a reaper cloth? Why can't any ursaring we catch evolve into bloodmoon ursaluna even when they're directly related? There is nothing stopping them from saying a rare item called "toxic chain" changed a gastly into this new pokemon.
Biggest issue for me is that Okidogi is a dog, based off of Shibas and Akitas.
Poochyena is a hyena, hyenas are feliforms (basically, they’re cats but not exactly).
My theory is the Loyal Three used to be a Lucario who lost someone they cared about so it wished for strength so they could protect their remaining loved ones, a Pansage who wished to be smarter to outwit those who would harm those it cared about, and a Tranquil who was tricked into eating an everstone but after meeting the Lucario and Pansage it wished for beauty hoping it could finally evolve. The toxic chain warped their wishes until they became what they are.
First LOL. Cant wait to hear what your theory is all about! Will post my thoughts in the replies of my comment after watching the video 🙂
Very interesting. I think the possibility of the loyal three all being from completely different regions is just as valid as all three of them being from one single region. And as you said, they could also still be a region that we have not seen yet... but they could also be from different regions and one or two those regions could potentially be regions that we haven't seen yet. What I mean by this is what if Munkidori and Fezandipiti were in fact originally Thwackey and Tranquill, but Okidogi was a pokemon that we will meet later in the future? Perhaps Fezandipiti was actually a bird pokemon that has yet to be introduced or is a regional/convergent form of a bird pokemon that is even uglier as while Tranquill is not as pretty as it's evolution, there could be a pokemon even uglier that will be introduced when Gen 10 comes around.
Just some extra thoughts that could add to what you have said in this theory 😀
All true!
@@lumiosepost yep! We don't know what they'll give us in the future generations! Gen 10 could very well take place in the region that Kitakami is located and could have all three pokemon in that region! Kitakami already has the Mightyena line in it's Pokedex! Who's to say that the rest of the region isn't gonna have the other two original species in it? 😀
Good Theory!
I hope you make a Viedo with Soul some Day
Would love to! He’s a great guy (bad takes tho 😜)
Didn't make the connection until now but don't these three remind you of The Wizard Of OZ?
Hmmm yeah I can see it!
Incinaroar, thwackey, and tbh could just be a quaquaval. Idk. Spitballing starters and or where they would've originated
Great ideas 💡
I thought Munkidori was Pansage, the elemental monkeys deserve some recognition from Pokemon.
It’s poo-chi-ena not poo-chi-ana
Yeah that’s my bad! Sorry! I had no idea! Thank you for being nice about it tho. You’re one of the good ones
Na i think Okiedogie was a Yamper the fur markings are too similar plus the shiny matches yampers....well without the green
Could Kitamamo be somehow connected to Kanto and Johto
Can i send you these pictures that might be easter eggs for gen 10 that i found
Sure! Got a twitter?
@@lumiosepost Or imma try to explain to you if you go to the directors office then go to the desk on the left its two crystals one on the front of the desk close to the directors desk then another on the left of it i think one is lavender or amethyst thenn the other is turquoise or green then if you go on the left close to the door but all the way to the left in front of the book shelf is a green book on top of a lavender book
Oh wow! Thanks for telling me! I’ll look into it!
@@lumiosepost no problem bro i looked at them trying to coordinate with anything in the game but i couldnt think of anything
I think it would possibly be chimchar no?
Could be!
Dont do drugs kids!
Preach!
Well Poochyena can't be it because it's based on a hyena and hyenas are more related to cats
WHY did you repeatedly mispronounce Poochyena? You did it every single time you mentioned it. It’s like nails on a chalkboard
If someone mispronouncing a fictional character’s name is so bothersome for you, you may need to work on yourself emotionally and mentally.
Incorrect. Anybody who makes money off of covering a franchise where the names are a foundational and fundamental aspect of the canon should be expected to do their research and be able to accurately speak on the subject for which they are being paid. This is shameful, but more importantly it is infuriatingly annoying. Do. The. Work.
Sorry! How I’ve pronounced it all my life. Nobody’s perfect and there are over 1000 of these guys so I think everyone has some that they mispronounce. But I am very sorry that that hindered your experience :)
@@lumiosepost it’s just not one of the understandable ones. Poochyena is named “pooch hyena” and there is zero ambiguity about it, nor of any he penultimate vowel being an “e”.
Many of us have been fans of this game series since childhood because of a love of wordplay being constantly fed by the franchise.
We still love you, LumiosePost, but just explaining why.
@@isreallytoastyhere3711 stop defending people getting paid for not doing the work. It’s giving…hustle culture cult vibes