Hello guys, I'm very sorry for the huge delay and may be slightly depressive touch of this video. I'm trying to get myself out of the hole, which I'm currently in, so please consider this to be my personal fight against my own deamons. Still I'm glad to share with you my upgrade journey and hope you enjoy this one too. Peace!
Thank you! I am in Europe as well, but unfortunately this conflict hits me personally fully in the face too. Since three months, I'm helping Ukrainian and Russian refugees in Germany, traveling to other countries to help refugees from Russia there as well. Organizing money, clothes, food, shelter etc. It is an exhausting and sad time even if bombs are not falling directly on my head.
@@necro_ware What you are doing is a job 99% people would not do, you should feel proud about that. Don't worry about not putting out videos regularly, there's... more important things going on in this world now.
Kudos to you for actually taking your time off to help as directly as possible for a civilian. The war affects people in many ways, not only physically. I applaud you for going forward with what you feel - there is nothing to be sorry for. Peace to you too, get outta that hole, and take good care of yourself!
Hey. Just to let you know that the thermal paste getting separated into solid and oil is part of something called "pump out effect". Thin thermal compounds suffer from this problem when applied to naked dies. The silicon and heatsink expand and contract at different rates with the heat cycles. After hundreds of cycles, the thermal compound is "pushed" to the corners of the die and it stops working. This is an extremely common cause of damaged GPUs on laptops and old ATI cards. Make sure that you use thick thermal compound (example, TFX or Honeywell TPM7950). The later one is used by Lenovo and it's insanely good for laptops and naked die application, but hard to get. Stay safe friend. Cheers from Portugal
@@kyoudaiken That's the exact opposite of what you should be recommending in this case! TG Kryonaut is a high performance compound with very small particles, and was designed for short term use and extreme overclocking. It suffers from a very strong pump-out effect and must be re-applied regularly! For this very reason, TG has the Hydronaut compound on offer, which is slightly worse in terms of heat conductivity, but much better for long-term use.
@@looks-suspicious On the product page, TG mentions "long-term durability". So before you are claiming things that simply aren't true, you should do your research and confirm your assumptions before posting.
@@kyoudaiken sorry, Fasso is right mate. That thermal compound is really bad for bare die application. I've tested it myself. I work in hardware repairs and need to have a stable thermal compound to be able to give 2 years warranty on the repairs and I've tested dozens of compounds, including that one. There are some good posts on Reddit regarding this subject
@@TigTex There's Kryonaut and Kryonaut EXTREME. I am talking about the latter. Never had any issues with it. Kryonaut and Kyronaut Extreme are NOT the same!
So good to hear your voice. The pain in your voice shows in the the beginning but once your hobby kicked in it started to fade. I’m glad this helps you and please know your fans fully support you.
Good to see you back, I'm so sorry to hear about your personal struggles but also proud to hear of your efforts to help those affected by this war. The best of luck and wishes for peace to you and those around you.
Hey, you don't know me but I definitely feel your feelings on world events. Glad to see you're somewhat back to normal. I'm pretty sure that the retro community is here for you as well. Peace and love from us all.
Thank you for helping people in a time of great need. What you are doing is awesome. Hopefully things get better and all of this comes to a peaceful end. I'm still glad for an update and enjoyed your video.
Sad to hear you're struggling with the current world events, but I totally understand it. You're doing God's work, whatever you're doing to help, everything helps. It's good to hear your voice again. 👏👏
I stuck a heatsink on the bridge chip of my 3850 AGP as well, it gets insanely hot. As for Quake 2 inconsistencies, that game, and all Q2 engine games become quite inconsistent with higher CPU speed. The engine simply wasn't written to handle CPU's that fast. Also, remember that socket 939 uses the same cooler mounting as AM2, AM3 and the first gen AM4. What I do is buy a silent new AM4 cooler such as an arctic Freezer and use it on my 939 build. That way it's quiet but keeps the CPU stable, cool and safe.
@@usermanico sorry, should be first Gen am4. Am5 all have the new screw mounts. But the first AM4 boards still used the same mounting as all those previous AMD sockets. They changed mid way through the lifetime if am4.
When i upgraded from an HD2600 XT to a HD3870 the fan control was also very surprising to me too. Stay safe friend remember you can't help others if you can't help yourself.
Really glad to see new videos from you!! Glad to hear that you are staying safe and I applause your efforts to help! Again, happy to see new content from you since you are one of my inspiration for trying my hand at retro restoration!
Glad to see you back! Love your videos. Can't wait to see what your solution for that loud fan is. When those PCs came out, I'd have had no clue what to do. Now? I'd be looking at building a little thermally controlled PWM circuit. That, and I'd be 3D printing an airduct to allow me to use a 120mm or 140mm fan on that heatsink 😀. Keep happy, keep safe, keep sane!
Great to see you back on my feed, take care of yourself and I hope that a bit of retro will give you a nice escape - certainly your videos offer me a bit of solice too in this mad old world. Peace.
Thank you very much! At least in Germany you can still find a lot of HD3650 for 20-30€. I think those are the best what you can get per buck. More powerful cards, like HD3870 and HD4670 are the most powerful AGP cards, if I remember right, but they are incredibly rare and expensive today.
@@necro_ware 3650 AGP can be found quite cheaper than the 3850 or 4670. It's not easy to find a CPU to feed these two neither when you are restricted to a MB with AGP interface. Thanks again for your content, I really enjoy your style.
Welcome back! It is really nice to hear from you and your incredible work away from computers. Please don't feel stress about making videos; most of us are patient and will be ready whenever you feel up to making them.
Try to check some HW stores. Sometimes you can find old stock coolers for old cards. I have found some like that. But not very cheap. Or just measure the pitch of the holes and try to salavge one from a dead card - In case the AGP bridge is on the back side and not obstructing in the front you can use various coolers even from PCI-E cards. I think some old GeForce 6xxx and 7xxx series might have compatible coolers. But not sure...
Glad to see you back. I love improving thermals on any PC component! I think you might be from Germany but I don't know if you are migrated from Ukraine to Germany. From your accent mix it kind of sounds like it. If you have friends and/or family there, I hope they and you are safe. War is just disgusting.
To me, these results indicate cpu bottleneck - older benchmarks run with higher framerates in general and that is more easily bottlenecked by cpu. That explains, why newer benchmarks show bigger gains. They run, in general, at lower framerates. You could test that theory to see, if higher resolution and color depth would create bigger gains? (as you would lower the average fps of older benchmarks this way)
A little bit of Dremel action should sort out the GPU heatsink... Just remove an cm or so of that "fin" that press against the capacitor, it should be quick and safe to do with the heatsink off.
Yeah, thanks for the suggestion. I actually bent the fin of the cooler a little bit to the side, so it currently barely touches the capacitor. It's a "good enough" solution until I have something better...
I used to have an ATI Radeon 3650 pcie edition. While I was casually playing Minecraft, it crapped out and I was left staring at a broken mess of corrupted screen.
I think you and I are of common heart. Too much violence, too much hatred - which begets more. Unfortunately we live in a time where if you don't pick sides you are considered a hindrance. People need to look for the helpers, thanks for helping people.
about the pcie to agp bridge, I've not done this to those chips specifically but I have used hot glue to hold and stabilize heatsinks that would otherwise rock or dont have any native mounting. The glue is non conductive, solid and melts at a much higher temperature than pc chips get. Mostly used on northbridges and routers without exposed dies.
I had trouble fitting similar heatsink to a card, two capacitors were in the way. So I simply filed away a little bit of those fins to clear the capacitors. It's just aluminium, it took no more then a minute anyway :)
That chip with thermal pad on the back of the card is hottest part of agp cards .. I was always wondering why it never got heatsinked in factory .. I have hd3650 512 saphire single slot , an this bugger cant be touched with finger .
Good video :) I would be nice to know what drivers you used for both cards, as ATI ones can get pretty big performance swings on old games between driver versions. Do you know what frequency each card operates at (Core/Memory) ?
Oh, I made extra some screenshots, but fully forgot to mention them :) I used Catalyst 10.2 for the X1650 and Catalyst 14.4 for the HD3650. The Core/Mem clock of the X1650 was stock 500/540MHz. For the HD3650 it was 725/800 MHz if I remember right.
I just made it for the video to show, what is underneath. But if the SMD components come off with that pad, then probably because they already were loose. The pad itself is usually not glued, but just sitting there hold by a slight tension.
Excellent video, and important message too! I have a X1650Pro AGP and also bought a HD4650 but it came defective and sent back to the seller. Today they are so much expensive in Brazil(even X1650), appear that some things considered collectible are going to be impractible. Mine X1650Pro is on my Athlon XP-M overclocked, what CPU do you think that is a ideal pair for this GPU?
you're right, war is always bad but you're wrong in one aspect: that war in real began 8+ years ago and most of europeans preffered to close their eyes on it. and kept them closed for 8 yeaes. why did you open them only now? civilians were killed everyday those 8 bloody years. but those were wrong civilians, aren't they? anyway I'm very glad to see your videos, thanks a lot for them, keep on learning and researching!
I didn't close my eyes, but followed that conflict seriously. Without going now into the question of guilt, that was still a conflict. Of course every innocent victim is terrible, but in the year 2021 eight people died due to that conflict, half of which were killed by mines. On the other hand in the last three months by different reports 25k-45k people lost their lives, over 360 children died, more than 3k children were injured, hundred thousandths lost their homes, 4,5 millions are on the run. The conflict in Donbass stands already in no relation to this short period of time. Not talking about what happened to Russia in that three months. Once I loved that country, now it doesn't exist anymore, only fashists dictatorship with an own Zwastika and endless hate. Nothing else.
time will show. I'm sure you will change your POV (if you're not in Poland). at least at the way that one of the parties leas this war. only in Donetsk for those 8 years 117 children were killed. And the count grows almost everyday, although Donetsk itself lays not on the combat line and ordinary civilians (most of people there) try to live ordinary lives. military men have to divide people to two categories ("tagets" and "civs"), but at some reason one party don't care about it at all. and I'm pretty sure they're just having fun firing mortars just inside that city and any other city over combat line.
I would like to ask what is the method to test AGP card with? I want to repair some old cards (nvidia 7600Gt, 7800Gs, 6600Gt...) but the 367.x.x version nVidia MATS/MODS not support AGP cards... Maybe is there anyone who has 100.x version of mats/mods?
Its very nice to hear you voice after this long time. I like the upgrade but have a question: Do you upgrade the hard disk drive at a time? The rattle of a hard drive is okay for a XT machine - but the borad should support SATA (and SSD's)
Thank you Robert! Yes, the working SATA was one of the reasons in the last video, why I changed the mainboard. I have two discs in this system indeed, a Linux installation on an SSD and Windows XP on a mechanical hard drive so far.
Да, много лет пытался стаду объяснить что с Дедом будет только хуже... но чтоб на столько дед поехал кукухой и начал убивать - этогого никто не ожидал. А я не думал что народ так равнодушен к трагедии и даже оправдывает убийства людей
Да ужас просто, если до войны там какие-то доводы могли быть, то о чем можно теперь говорить, я не знаю. С ужасом смотрю, как огромная страна превратилась в обезумевшее стадо ксенофобов, требующих крови. Обалдеть, что многолетняя пропаганда делает с человеком. Никогда не думал, что башни Стругацких могут стать такой яркой реальностью. Безумно жалко не только Украину и Украинцев, но и тех Россиян, которые на протяжении многих лет были не согласны и теперь либо находятся в заложниках этой диктатуры, либо всё потеряли и вынуждены были куда-то бежать. Я помогаю Украинцам в Германии, но Россиянам сюда добраться сложно, потому летал в Турцию, чтобы встретиться там с ними и поддержать как могу. Грустно это, с одной стороны смерть и бомбы, с другой стороны родину отобрала шайка головорезов во главе с обезумевшим дедом, а люди, кто куда, все нормальной жизни лишились...
May be, but both cards are a lot newer, than Q2 and from the point of view of the game, they should look the same in regards of features set. I guess it would be strange, if the game would use some features from the future.
Greatings from Ukraine ✊ Thanks for you support of Ukraine and Ukrainian people and good people of Russia to 👍 War is sucks, even repair of dead-est matherboard is better than this. And now when the electricity is off, I download many of your video and watch it all time, to make more relax and mentally healthy and stability of mind. So another thanks for you helpful video 🤝
First time i saw the card (on the thumbnail) i thought it was a Leadtek Winfast GeForce WhatSoever bc. of the cooler Nice one; would like to see how the ram performs with full or on the half 2 GiB Spec.
It is good to see you back! You are doing something admirable with helping Ukrainians and Russians alike. But please keep in mind, you can only care for others if you take care of yourself, too. The world can be thankful for having people like you. Thank you for what you do, and for your videos as a bit of normality. Danke für alles!
Buy a 120mm fan, usually up to 1500rpm and cheap, use it as CPU fan, or a 120mm 2200rpm, they are more silent then 80/90mm fan running 3000+rpm, did this on my previous FX-4300, used a 2200rpm 120mm far better then the stock 90mm, or should i call it AMD~Honda VTEC Fan 7000 rpm.
if my memory not lie to me on old days i radion hd vga but i dont remember the model it was the same chip close to vga slot and is getting hot some times and i buy ZALMAN ZM80D-HP . but again i am not sure agan i only remember this supid chip becouse i burn my finger on it :D .and sorry of my bad eng
I have a family from Bucha living currently in my home and two refugees from Russia as well. Still can't believe it's true, what's happening. I wish you every luck and strength you need man.
У меня был случай когда ножки мешали прижать кулер к кристалу - я просто подложил медную пластину) Её можно сделать из крышки Pentium 4 - больше он ни на что не годен)))
Thank you very much too. I'm so sorry about what happened to your country. I'm active as a volunteer here in Germany and just today helped a family from Kharkiv moving to a new flat. They were heavily injured in a bombshell 😢 Please stay safe ❤️
8 deaths in 2021, 30 to 50 thousands of deaths in the last 3 months, thousands of destroyed homes, millions of refugees, destroyed economy, repressions against people, who are against the war, Russia turned into dictatorship with own Zwastika, hate and war propaganda everywhere. Was this worth it?
@@necro_ware The Ukrainian people of Donetsk and Lugansk are humans, they lost 14000 from 2014 until 2022 because of Kiev's shelling. This is common knowledge. The Swastika is part of Azov.
@@YouTooBig2 Once again, what happens now improves the situation in any way? Do you really think, that people of Donetsk now feel better, where thousands of other people die again? Was it worth it? And it's still not the end.... And please, would you make me a favor and stop quoting Russian TV here? Just open your own mind and ask your heart, how killing people should bring back another killed people? It is a simple question and you don't even need to take any political party to answer it. War is never a solution, it is always a dead end with a lot of hatred. This was an absolute suicide which I don't think RF will survive to be honest. Like Afghanistan was a dead end for the USSR, Ukraine seems to be a dead end for RF. And believe me, I'm not happy about that, not for a second. My heart is bleeding for Russia almost as much as for Ukraine.
@@YouTooBig2 You are lying. It was proven that these kills are because of local proxy pro-russian separatists supported by RF. And there is report of UN that practically 7000 of them are military. The other half is approximately 50% pro-ukrainian civilians and the other half pro-russian civilians. Guilty for all deaths in this war is the man who fired up the war. And he is in Kremlin, usually sitting on a 30 meter table on meetings!
Sorry, but that was quite selfish. I didn't say a word about politics in this video, but explained my current situation. Politics ends where the war starts. I hope you'll never have to learn how hard it is to calm down and make a video when your friends and family are on the run or get killed, when you realize, that some of them you will never see again, when countries which you loved get destroyed. I'm glad, that you have no idea how it is.
Hello guys, I'm very sorry for the huge delay and may be slightly depressive touch of this video. I'm trying to get myself out of the hole, which I'm currently in, so please consider this to be my personal fight against my own deamons. Still I'm glad to share with you my upgrade journey and hope you enjoy this one too. Peace!
Good to see you back! I was not aware. T-T
Stay strong! You have our support from Europe.
Thank you! I am in Europe as well, but unfortunately this conflict hits me personally fully in the face too. Since three months, I'm helping Ukrainian and Russian refugees in Germany, traveling to other countries to help refugees from Russia there as well. Organizing money, clothes, food, shelter etc. It is an exhausting and sad time even if bombs are not falling directly on my head.
Nothing to be sorry about. Thank you for what you do. ✌🏼
@@necro_ware What you are doing is a job 99% people would not do, you should feel proud about that. Don't worry about not putting out videos regularly, there's... more important things going on in this world now.
Kudos to you for actually taking your time off to help as directly as possible for a civilian. The war affects people in many ways, not only physically. I applaud you for going forward with what you feel - there is nothing to be sorry for. Peace to you too, get outta that hole, and take good care of yourself!
Good to see you back buddy, missed your vids
Hey. Just to let you know that the thermal paste getting separated into solid and oil is part of something called "pump out effect". Thin thermal compounds suffer from this problem when applied to naked dies. The silicon and heatsink expand and contract at different rates with the heat cycles. After hundreds of cycles, the thermal compound is "pushed" to the corners of the die and it stops working. This is an extremely common cause of damaged GPUs on laptops and old ATI cards.
Make sure that you use thick thermal compound (example, TFX or Honeywell TPM7950). The later one is used by Lenovo and it's insanely good for laptops and naked die application, but hard to get.
Stay safe friend. Cheers from Portugal
I recommend Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme instead.
@@kyoudaiken That's the exact opposite of what you should be recommending in this case! TG Kryonaut is a high performance compound with very small particles, and was designed for short term use and extreme overclocking. It suffers from a very strong pump-out effect and must be re-applied regularly!
For this very reason, TG has the Hydronaut compound on offer, which is slightly worse in terms of heat conductivity, but much better for long-term use.
@@looks-suspicious On the product page, TG mentions "long-term durability". So before you are claiming things that simply aren't true, you should do your research and confirm your assumptions before posting.
@@kyoudaiken sorry, Fasso is right mate. That thermal compound is really bad for bare die application. I've tested it myself. I work in hardware repairs and need to have a stable thermal compound to be able to give 2 years warranty on the repairs and I've tested dozens of compounds, including that one. There are some good posts on Reddit regarding this subject
@@TigTex There's Kryonaut and Kryonaut EXTREME. I am talking about the latter. Never had any issues with it. Kryonaut and Kyronaut Extreme are NOT the same!
Hey! Glad to see you and happy to see you're healthy! Sooner thing will be ok! I wish you the best! Greetings from Brazil!
Hey man, great to see a video from you, glad you're ok! Take care and be safe.
So good to hear your voice. The pain in your voice shows in the the beginning but once your hobby kicked in it started to fade. I’m glad this helps you and please know your fans fully support you.
Good to see you back, I'm so sorry to hear about your personal struggles but also proud to hear of your efforts to help those affected by this war. The best of luck and wishes for peace to you and those around you.
Finalllllyyy and thanks for helping people!
Hey, you don't know me but I definitely feel your feelings on world events. Glad to see you're somewhat back to normal. I'm pretty sure that the retro community is here for you as well. Peace and love from us all.
Thank you for helping people in a time of great need. What you are doing is awesome. Hopefully things get better and all of this comes to a peaceful end. I'm still glad for an update and enjoyed your video.
Sad to hear you're struggling with the current world events, but I totally understand it. You're doing God's work, whatever you're doing to help, everything helps. It's good to hear your voice again. 👏👏
I stuck a heatsink on the bridge chip of my 3850 AGP as well, it gets insanely hot. As for Quake 2 inconsistencies, that game, and all Q2 engine games become quite inconsistent with higher CPU speed. The engine simply wasn't written to handle CPU's that fast.
Also, remember that socket 939 uses the same cooler mounting as AM2, AM3 and the first gen AM4. What I do is buy a silent new AM4 cooler such as an arctic Freezer and use it on my 939 build. That way it's quiet but keeps the CPU stable, cool and safe.
1st gen am5?
@@usermanico sorry, should be first Gen am4. Am5 all have the new screw mounts. But the first AM4 boards still used the same mounting as all those previous AMD sockets. They changed mid way through the lifetime if am4.
When i upgraded from an HD2600 XT to a HD3870 the fan control was also very surprising to me too. Stay safe friend remember you can't help others if you can't help yourself.
Nice to see you back, nice little jump start video to get you back into things hopefully.
Great update! Serving others is one of the most important things we can do as humans.
Really glad to see new videos from you!! Glad to hear that you are staying safe and I applause your efforts to help!
Again, happy to see new content from you since you are one of my inspiration for trying my hand at retro restoration!
Glad to hear you're ok. Stay safe and keep sane with more videos!
So happy you’re back! And all the best to you. Peace!
A nice surprise video. In this crazy world its good to do the things that bring you happiness and your mind peace. Take care.
Thanks for your awesome help whilst this disgusting war is happening happy to see you back
Glad to see you back! Love your videos. Can't wait to see what your solution for that loud fan is. When those PCs came out, I'd have had no clue what to do. Now? I'd be looking at building a little thermally controlled PWM circuit. That, and I'd be 3D printing an airduct to allow me to use a 120mm or 140mm fan on that heatsink 😀.
Keep happy, keep safe, keep sane!
Thanks to another video for sure the whole community is glad you came back to us 🙂
Good to see you back, hope your sanity will be able to get through this mess.
Lovely to see you back and I am also sorry for the reason of the delay.
Tag it as gpujune2? :-)
best wishes to you man, hope you stay safe and ppl you help appriciate you like we do.. when you have time to share a video with us
WOW! Surprise! So happy to have you back! 😊👍😘
Great Video!
Schön das Du wieder da bist, ich wünsche Dir von herzen alles gute und ganz viel Kraft.
Great to see you back on my feed, take care of yourself and I hope that a bit of retro will give you a nice escape - certainly your videos offer me a bit of solice too in this mad old world. Peace.
Great to see you again.
I'd surmise that the HD3650s are fairly rare as AGP cards.
Thank you very much! At least in Germany you can still find a lot of HD3650 for 20-30€. I think those are the best what you can get per buck. More powerful cards, like HD3870 and HD4670 are the most powerful AGP cards, if I remember right, but they are incredibly rare and expensive today.
@@necro_ware 3650 AGP can be found quite cheaper than the 3850 or 4670. It's not easy to find a CPU to feed these two neither when you are restricted to a MB with AGP interface.
Thanks again for your content, I really enjoy your style.
Recently i bought an x1650 AGP original packed and unopened. For 18€. I will keep it like that.
Interesting setup Necroware, This Radeon GPU takes me back. I used to have this HD3650 tied to a Athlon 939 CPU.
With the unified shader architecture, this card is also nice for a Windows Vista rig and you can also play some DX10 games.
Welcome back! It is really nice to hear from you and your incredible work away from computers. Please don't feel stress about making videos; most of us are patient and will be ready whenever you feel up to making them.
Happy to see you back and well
right way, bro
Great to see you on RUclips again i have the same GPU withouth the heatsink is working but i don't have a heatsink how i can fix? Thank you 🙂
Try to check some HW stores. Sometimes you can find old stock coolers for old cards. I have found some like that. But not very cheap. Or just measure the pitch of the holes and try to salavge one from a dead card - In case the AGP bridge is on the back side and not obstructing in the front you can use various coolers even from PCI-E cards. I think some old GeForce 6xxx and 7xxx series might have compatible coolers. But not sure...
Glad to see you back. I love improving thermals on any PC component! I think you might be from Germany but I don't know if you are migrated from Ukraine to Germany. From your accent mix it kind of sounds like it. If you have friends and/or family there, I hope they and you are safe. War is just disgusting.
You can modify current heatsink to not touch that capacitor. Just file that fin until it is not touching. Or bend it a little bit to a side.
Yes, this is what I actually did, I slightly bent it to the side. It's barely touching the capacitor and good enough for now.
To me, these results indicate cpu bottleneck - older benchmarks run with higher framerates in general and that is more easily bottlenecked by cpu. That explains, why newer benchmarks show bigger gains. They run, in general, at lower framerates.
You could test that theory to see, if higher resolution and color depth would create bigger gains? (as you would lower the average fps of older benchmarks this way)
A little bit of Dremel action should sort out the GPU heatsink... Just remove an cm or so of that "fin" that press against the capacitor, it should be quick and safe to do with the heatsink off.
Yeah, thanks for the suggestion. I actually bent the fin of the cooler a little bit to the side, so it currently barely touches the capacitor. It's a "good enough" solution until I have something better...
Awaaa I am glad that you are back!!!
I used to have an ATI Radeon 3650 pcie edition. While I was casually playing Minecraft, it crapped out and I was left staring at a broken mess of corrupted screen.
I think you and I are of common heart. Too much violence, too much hatred - which begets more. Unfortunately we live in a time where if you don't pick sides you are considered a hindrance. People need to look for the helpers, thanks for helping people.
about the pcie to agp bridge, I've not done this to those chips specifically but I have used hot glue to hold and stabilize heatsinks that would otherwise rock or dont have any native mounting. The glue is non conductive, solid and melts at a much higher temperature than pc chips get. Mostly used on northbridges and routers without exposed dies.
I had trouble fitting similar heatsink to a card, two capacitors were in the way. So I simply filed away a little bit of those fins to clear the capacitors. It's just aluminium, it took no more then a minute anyway :)
That chip with thermal pad on the back of the card is hottest part of agp cards .. I was always wondering why it never got heatsinked in factory .. I have hd3650 512 saphire single slot , an this bugger cant be touched with finger .
Good video :)
I would be nice to know what drivers you used for both cards, as ATI ones can get pretty big performance swings on old games between driver versions.
Do you know what frequency each card operates at (Core/Memory) ?
Oh, I made extra some screenshots, but fully forgot to mention them :) I used Catalyst 10.2 for the X1650 and Catalyst 14.4 for the HD3650. The Core/Mem clock of the X1650 was stock 500/540MHz. For the HD3650 it was 725/800 MHz if I remember right.
@@necro_ware Memory clock is from GPU-z ?
I'm thinking of real clock vs. effective one, because 533MHz seems really low for DDR2-style of memory.
@@CompatibilityMadness Yes, it is from GPU-Z
They sell copper shims just for your issue. Would be good to have them for situations like this in the future.
Be very carefull when taking off the thermal pad for the bridge. I've heard of cases where the small SMD components came off as well.
I just made it for the video to show, what is underneath. But if the SMD components come off with that pad, then probably because they already were loose. The pad itself is usually not glued, but just sitting there hold by a slight tension.
Excellent video, and important message too! I have a X1650Pro AGP and also bought a HD4650 but it came defective and sent back to the seller. Today they are so much expensive in Brazil(even X1650), appear that some things considered collectible are going to be impractible. Mine X1650Pro is on my Athlon XP-M overclocked, what CPU do you think that is a ideal pair for this GPU?
you're right, war is always bad
but you're wrong in one aspect: that war in real began 8+ years ago and most of europeans preffered to close their eyes on it. and kept them closed for 8 yeaes. why did you open them only now? civilians were killed everyday those 8 bloody years. but those were wrong civilians, aren't they?
anyway I'm very glad to see your videos, thanks a lot for them, keep on learning and researching!
I didn't close my eyes, but followed that conflict seriously. Without going now into the question of guilt, that was still a conflict. Of course every innocent victim is terrible, but in the year 2021 eight people died due to that conflict, half of which were killed by mines. On the other hand in the last three months by different reports 25k-45k people lost their lives, over 360 children died, more than 3k children were injured, hundred thousandths lost their homes, 4,5 millions are on the run. The conflict in Donbass stands already in no relation to this short period of time. Not talking about what happened to Russia in that three months. Once I loved that country, now it doesn't exist anymore, only fashists dictatorship with an own Zwastika and endless hate. Nothing else.
time will show. I'm sure you will change your POV (if you're not in Poland). at least at the way that one of the parties leas this war. only in Donetsk for those 8 years 117 children were killed. And the count grows almost everyday, although Donetsk itself lays not on the combat line and ordinary civilians (most of people there) try to live ordinary lives.
military men have to divide people to two categories ("tagets" and "civs"), but at some reason one party don't care about it at all. and I'm pretty sure they're just having fun firing mortars just inside that city and any other city over combat line.
I would like to ask what is the method to test AGP card with? I want to repair some old cards (nvidia 7600Gt, 7800Gs, 6600Gt...) but the 367.x.x version nVidia MATS/MODS not support AGP cards... Maybe is there anyone who has 100.x version of mats/mods?
Its very nice to hear you voice after this long time. I like the upgrade but have a question: Do you upgrade the hard disk drive at a time? The rattle of a hard drive is okay for a XT machine - but the borad should support SATA (and SSD's)
Thank you Robert! Yes, the working SATA was one of the reasons in the last video, why I changed the mainboard. I have two discs in this system indeed, a Linux installation on an SSD and Windows XP on a mechanical hard drive so far.
Да, много лет пытался стаду объяснить что с Дедом будет только хуже... но чтоб на столько дед поехал кукухой и начал убивать - этогого никто не ожидал. А я не думал что народ так равнодушен к трагедии и даже оправдывает убийства людей
Да ужас просто, если до войны там какие-то доводы могли быть, то о чем можно теперь говорить, я не знаю. С ужасом смотрю, как огромная страна превратилась в обезумевшее стадо ксенофобов, требующих крови. Обалдеть, что многолетняя пропаганда делает с человеком. Никогда не думал, что башни Стругацких могут стать такой яркой реальностью. Безумно жалко не только Украину и Украинцев, но и тех Россиян, которые на протяжении многих лет были не согласны и теперь либо находятся в заложниках этой диктатуры, либо всё потеряли и вынуждены были куда-то бежать. Я помогаю Украинцам в Германии, но Россиянам сюда добраться сложно, потому летал в Турцию, чтобы встретиться там с ними и поддержать как могу. Грустно это, с одной стороны смерть и бомбы, с другой стороны родину отобрала шайка головорезов во главе с обезумевшим дедом, а люди, кто куда, все нормальной жизни лишились...
I would bet that Quake II even under the same API would have Multiple render paths based on supported GPU features?
May be, but both cards are a lot newer, than Q2 and from the point of view of the game, they should look the same in regards of features set. I guess it would be strange, if the game would use some features from the future.
yikes, you are back and I missed it. damn you, youtube.
Cut a bit of Hear-Sink fin to clear the Capacitor.
Just mod the heatsink so it doesn't touch the capacitor?
Greatings from Ukraine ✊
Thanks for you support of Ukraine and Ukrainian people and good people of Russia to 👍
War is sucks, even repair of dead-est matherboard is better than this.
And now when the electricity is off, I download many of your video and watch it all time, to make more relax and mentally healthy and stability of mind.
So another thanks for you helpful video 🤝
First time i saw the card (on the thumbnail) i thought it was a Leadtek Winfast GeForce WhatSoever bc. of the cooler
Nice one; would like to see how the ram performs with full or on the half 2 GiB Spec.
Building my own AGP XP Retro with a D945 and a HD3650
Just a question? How have you got 3dMark 99 installed on Windows XP? I have WinXP service pack 3 and it wont install
You need the latest version of the software. You can get one from Phil www.philscomputerlab.com/futuremark-3dmark.html
@@necro_ware Thankyou so much
спасибо. за видео, за поддержку, за то что мозги в голове
did doom 3 have as much screen tearing it showed or did you have vsync off?
Vsync was off for benchmarking
It is good to see you back! You are doing something admirable with helping Ukrainians and Russians alike. But please keep in mind, you can only care for others if you take care of yourself, too. The world can be thankful for having people like you. Thank you for what you do, and for your videos as a bit of normality.
Danke für alles!
Buy a 120mm fan, usually up to 1500rpm and cheap, use it as CPU fan, or a 120mm 2200rpm, they are more silent then 80/90mm fan running 3000+rpm, did this on my previous FX-4300, used a 2200rpm 120mm far better then the stock 90mm, or should i call it AMD~Honda VTEC Fan 7000 rpm.
Don't be sorry for being a kind person.
if my memory not lie to me on old days i radion hd vga but i dont remember the model it was the same chip close to vga slot and is getting hot some times and i buy ZALMAN ZM80D-HP . but again i am not sure agan i only remember this supid chip becouse i burn my finger on it :D .and sorry of my bad eng
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Imagine me living in Ukraine (💀)
I have a family from Bucha living currently in my home and two refugees from Russia as well. Still can't believe it's true, what's happening. I wish you every luck and strength you need man.
@@necro_ware wow thanks
У меня был случай когда ножки мешали прижать кулер к кристалу - я просто подложил медную пластину) Её можно сделать из крышки Pentium 4 - больше он ни на что не годен)))
Хорошая идея и весёлая :)
Thanks buddy for the video and your position. I live in Kharkov and try to watch all your videos. Слава Україні !!!
Thank you very much too. I'm so sorry about what happened to your country. I'm active as a volunteer here in Germany and just today helped a family from Kharkiv moving to a new flat. They were heavily injured in a bombshell 😢 Please stay safe ❤️
I recently got myself HIS x1650 IceQ AGP full with box, all the cables, all the documentation and even cd witth Dungeon Siege. All for measly 6$.
The war started in 2014, 14000 dead before 2022
8 deaths in 2021, 30 to 50 thousands of deaths in the last 3 months, thousands of destroyed homes, millions of refugees, destroyed economy, repressions against people, who are against the war, Russia turned into dictatorship with own Zwastika, hate and war propaganda everywhere. Was this worth it?
@@necro_ware The Ukrainian people of Donetsk and Lugansk are humans, they lost 14000 from 2014 until 2022 because of Kiev's shelling. This is common knowledge. The Swastika is part of Azov.
@@YouTooBig2 Once again, what happens now improves the situation in any way? Do you really think, that people of Donetsk now feel better, where thousands of other people die again? Was it worth it? And it's still not the end.... And please, would you make me a favor and stop quoting Russian TV here? Just open your own mind and ask your heart, how killing people should bring back another killed people? It is a simple question and you don't even need to take any political party to answer it. War is never a solution, it is always a dead end with a lot of hatred. This was an absolute suicide which I don't think RF will survive to be honest. Like Afghanistan was a dead end for the USSR, Ukraine seems to be a dead end for RF. And believe me, I'm not happy about that, not for a second. My heart is bleeding for Russia almost as much as for Ukraine.
@@YouTooBig2 You are lying. It was proven that these kills are because of local proxy pro-russian separatists supported by RF. And there is report of UN that practically 7000 of them are military. The other half is approximately 50% pro-ukrainian civilians and the other half pro-russian civilians. Guilty for all deaths in this war is the man who fired up the war. And he is in Kremlin, usually sitting on a 30 meter table on meetings!
@@lik0M No I am not lying. Your false accusations are lies, however.
I am always watching nerd stuff, because I don't like politics, please don't do it again!
Sorry, but that was quite selfish. I didn't say a word about politics in this video, but explained my current situation. Politics ends where the war starts. I hope you'll never have to learn how hard it is to calm down and make a video when your friends and family are on the run or get killed, when you realize, that some of them you will never see again, when countries which you loved get destroyed. I'm glad, that you have no idea how it is.
Great to see you on RUclips again i have the same GPU withouth the heatsink is working but i don't have a heatsink how i can fix? Thank you 🙂
You can search for a broken card and get the cooler from there.
@@necro_ware i tried and i found a people they have trashed and Is 🤬🤦🙄 After has rescued but no responding at the call and msg