Great review, really appreciate the "The real aircraft" part. Getting to know all these details from someone who flew the plane in real life makes them feel much more valuable than just reading the store pages...
That's exactly what I did. My first take-off in this plane I pushed throttle to the max without giving it a second thought. As I ran out of runway, my engine died and I was perplexed. Then I realized what was happening and it's been smooth ever since!
Hello, having both aircraft (arrow T and non T), and also flying regularly it, the original arrow T tail rotates correctly at 60, you shoudn't have to pull the joystick to the max. And actually very same apply to non T tail. I would say that trim and global vertical command are not accurate. For the rest, it's a great aircraft. I would add that performances are a bit too much. I can make 140ktas at 8000 75 percent, this baby is faster
I think the handling of the JF aircraft is a little rough at the moment due to the changes from the sim updates. There’s a flight model update coming soon hopefully.
when trying to land the turbo arrow IV the nose was yo-yoing about and thought it was the worst airplane ever with the worst nose heavy tendency that I couldn't trim out. Then I discovered it was my fault for not putting flaps all the way down and not keeping at 75kts on approach to land.................*facepalm* (never flown it before IRL or on sim and didn't read the books). With full flaps it is absolutely DREAMY to land in the sim. It is a very fast and slippery aircraft on approach if you decide to add any throttle and even on the climb it has a tendency to shoot up very fast. The way this lands and handles I am very much looking forward to learning on one before I rent a turboprop.
Finally, I learned what that annoying flashing yellow light above the 3 landing gear lights is for!!! NOW if only someone can tell me why my VR Focus or zoom function does not work for me! I read it's functional in the Arrow Turbo IV but not the 3, but for the life of me nothing I have tried will work with it! It's mapped by default to the right mouse button, but that does not work. Neither does the button on my Alpha Yoke. Its driving me nuts, especially when it obviously is working for others! It appears to be working in your system too. What can I do to make that VR Zoom key work??? Great review and explanation of the planes features and functions!!! You have a new subscriber! Oh and yeah, I can see how that automatic gear extension system could be a killer! If you ever needed to do an off field emergency landing or ditch it in the water you'd want to land with the gear up!!! And taking valuable time to focus away from flying while disabling the automatic gear extension when you're performing an engine out landing could be fatal! If I were flying the real turbo I'd probably find myself in that situation mighty darn fast I believe because I'd probably burn that engine out and fast! I'm surprised I haven't done it in the sim yet!
Glad I could be of service for explaining the infamous blinking light! I honestly can’t help with VR since I don’t have any kind of VR setup, but perhaps a quick email to Just Flight or a post on the MSFS Forum could help? Yep, you’re right about the gear, that’s one of the main reasons why it was ordered to be disabled by the US FAA at one point.
Just found your channel and really enjoy the dept you put in the review. I'm just an amature and was wandering if someone could let me know what does the alt air do and when would I want to open it?
Glad you’re enjoying the videos! The alternate air is a separate intake which bypasses the engine air filter. It’s there in case the main intake fills with ice or the filter becomes blocked 😁
I love the Arrows and bought this on day one and don't regret it at all. I am not a pilot but flying this is a joy, it's immersive and fun. It looks beautiful in the air and the sound is amazing. I love how the exhaust shakes and has a little puff of black smoke when it fires up. I spend 90% of my time in the Arrows. Agree with your review - and enjoyed watching you fly it. thank you for the review and your flight instructions!
This brings back lots of memories. I owned a Turbo Arrow III during most of the ‘80s. Particularly memorable was the overheating and shock cooling (as we called it). I added a cooling cowl kit to help (but not completely solve) the heating problem. As to shock cooling, the main thing was not to get in a position to have to pull power then descend. The engine stops producing heat and the wind over your engine was quite cooling. I asked for a lot of long descents from far out and center mostly granted the requests. That frequently resulted in incredible ground speeds. Once coming to Houston from El Paso, I had three controllers ask to confirm that I was really a Piper Arrow. Thanks for the memories.
24:10 - I would guess the Ambient Occlusion is working on those rivets causing those subtle shadows making that visible dark line when hit by light/sun. :) 27:32 - It's surprising a lot of ppl including me actually love the biege-brownish color palette on the interior, so purely personal :)
This is one of the best reviews ive ever sat through im going to go through your whole channel now and watch everything. The insight on the aircraft irl it self was amazing thank you
Ive a question: If a T-tail is not suited for rough strips then why does the PC-12 (an excellent rough strip/almost bush flying aircraft) have a T-tail? How have they solved those problems?
I don’t know anything about the PC-12, but most powerful turboprops have their horizontal stabilisers removed from the prop slipstream to avoid significant changes in control loading based on power settings. It also reduces vibrations through the airframe and controls. It could be that the PC-12’s elevator gains authority at quite a low airspeed, mostly negating the negative effect on short field performance, but you’d have to ask a type rated pilot for a proper explanation!
Brilliant review and I really appreciate your real world experience. I purchased both turbo and non-turbo based on your conclusions and I whole heartedly agree.
Just purchased this yesterday. Thanks for providing a good reference for me as I go through the teething stages of mastering these two bad boys. Oh, by the way, you've earned yourself a new sub too.
So good to hear this sort of stuff from someone who knows what they’re talking about. It adds so much more to the simulation. I learnt so much from your video. Many thanks for taking the time to put this together it is much appreciated.
High tail stabilizer...is there an option for North American lower stabilizer? I see it shows both "OK Man!" Is that Joe bidens plane? Come on man! I always see the Arrow with a black instrument panel, why is is ...gross....brown?
Another brilliant review. I do have both the Arrow III and the Turbo Arrow III / IV. You say to by both aircraft would be £30 + £30 but Just Flight do have a bundle price of £43.99. I bought the Arrow III so I did get the discounted price for the Turbo III / IV. I think they are exceptional.
Thanks! Yes the bundles are good value, I was just referring to the case of someone who bought the III on the MSFS store and now wants the Turbo, who would have to pay full price for both presumably.
The general drill is that the navigation (sometimes called ‘position’ lights), the red/green on the wingtips and white on the tail tip should be on all the time the plane has power. In the arrow that’s the rotating wheel to the left of the fuel pump switch. If the plane has a rotating or flashing red beacon light on the top or bottom somewhere, you put that on just before starting the engine. Taxi lights (if you have them) go on just before you start moving the aircraft and the high intensity flashing strobes and landing lights go on once you begin to pull onto an active runway. This is a code which is taught to airport ground crew, who will know when an aircraft is about to start or begin moving by what lights it has on 😊
@@FlyFromHome Thanks. I was asking specifically about the Arrow. The “radio lights” wheel should be used all the way to the runway? And nothing else? And there I’d turn on the landing lights + strobes?
Just had an absolute blast flying from Frankfurt Airport to Rome today (Over the Alps during nighttime), it was my first night flight and I had to land in one of the airports on the way to refuel but what a fun aircraft to fly. I pretty much only flew the Cessna 172 for about 10 hours before. Fun times, great fun with the aircraft (Arrow iii).
Wonder what, helicopters? Ya, they bring in that stupid pizza delivery drone Volocopter...should have brought a nice zguimbal cabri2 ir a nice 500....smh
This plane would be so much fun to own IRL. I think the added pilot responsibilties add a lot of satisfaction and skill for the pilot. What a beauty. Although I do agree the 3 with the regular tail would be better. Love the review!
Thank you for the Arrows reviews! I found them real helpfull as i was looking for a single engine high realism GA aircraft. Bought the III/III&IV Turbo package and very happy with it. I do need some help with the navigation computers. But flying these is loads of fun! Can imagine me taking a real one up oneday!
hello! when I integrate the GTN750 it takes the place of the G530 and also adds a GTN750 in G430 format on the right... why doesn't a single GTN750 appear like in your video?
I’m not sure how much longer you’ll be waiting for A2A or what the price range for it will be, but this is certainly an excellent plane for the money imo!
Love your reviews! Very informative and interesting. P.S. Since you reviewed both the turbo and non-turbo versions, which one do you think is modeled better ? Or are they on the same level ?
Underrated channel. You get some real information and history about the aircraft as well as a review and demo. The memes mixed in is the cherry on-top.
So you know : buying the Arrow III then using the 66% discount voucher to buy the Turbo later is for some reason cheaper than buying the 2-plane pack at once.
Fantastic video, came across your channel today whilst off work sick. Really pleased to see the accuracy of the just flight planes and to have the differences explained and demonstrated.
@@FlyFromHome Thanks buddy, it was just a 24 hour thing, so ok now. I do RUclips videos as well, stemming back to FSX, then P3d and now msfs, but nothing like the calibre of your videos.
They seem to only be available in the marketplace in certain locations, not everywhere. The Just Flight store is the place to get it if that's the case.
@@FlyFromHome Yeah in my country Norway its not availble in the store so i bought it from the justflight website;). When it comes to flight model and realism do you think pipers from justflight are close to study level , ? i mean all the buttons work they are heavy in the air etc. Maybe not quite pmdg level but not far off:).
You *should* be able to stay full rich to 12,000, but I’ve had occasions where power looks to be dropping off earlier than that (may have been atmospheric conditions ofc). I don’t trust the game all that much when it comes to these things!
@@FlyFromHome Thank you. I will test the mixture up to 12,000’ on my next session. Also, the author seems to drop the gear first, and some people drop the first stage of flaps first and then the gear. I guess there is no difference and might be company rules or preference.
@@gruizmd Just the drill I was taught since I first started flying! Ofc the gear has a much higher limiting speed too, and you can lower it early to use as an air brake should you need it.
Is it just me, or are pretty much all the small aircraft on fs2020 feeling over powered? For example, in the cessna 172, you should be climbing at about 80kts.... but in the sim, that thing will climb at about 100kts and easily 1000fpm...i almost have to pitch up to almost 20 degrees just to keep it around 80kts (with 1 notch of flaps) Also, anyone else notice a problem with the first piper arrow 3 from carenado...? That thing wouldn't take off no matter what. When reaching rotation speed, the tail would lift up and nose stuck on the ground and wont move. Hopefully this one is better
The defaults maybe, I’m not sure honestly since I’ve not tested them. The just flight aircraft are spot on book figures though, as you’ll see in this video 😉
Really enjoyed your review. I am fairly new to MSFS and am wondering how are you getting around the cockpit so quickly with your views? Are you using a joystick? Just using your mouse? I am struggling to figure it out. Thanks
@Fly From Home Can you please give me some advice on which Piper Arrow or the Warrior to purchase as i just want one really out of all of them. I don't fly for real so only use MFS 2020 for pure pleasure. I normally fly the Cessna 152 quite a lot just so you know. The only other plane i have bought is the Mooney ovation. Any advice as to which should i go for. With there being The Warrior, the Piper 3, 3 turbo and 4 turbo its a bit confusing so any advice would be great
If you want something simple that’s most like the Cessna then the Warrior is your best bet. The Turbo is the most complex of the three if you want a challenge - it’s also pretty quick at high altitude if you need a bit more performance. The regular Arrow is somewhere between the two. Just depends what you’d prefer, they’re all absolutely excellent renditions of the real aircraft 😊
@@FlyFromHome Thanks for your reply, very kind of you. I have just got the none turbo Arrow 3, as you said, somewhere in between. But knowing me, i will get the warrior also.👍
Best review I’ve seen of an aircraft for MSFS. Also shows how wrongly I have been flying this thing. The educational value can’t be understated. Do you have a link to your checklists? What is the purpose of cycling the Alternate air? Do you step on the brakes before extending the landing gear? I’m sorry so many questions. Great job.
Glad you enjoyed it! I'll try to answer your questions in order - -The checklist I used is here - www.freechecklists.net/Resources/Piper/PA-28R-201T+(Turbo)+Arrow+IV/ but some of the procedures I used are company specific and are memorised. HASSELL and FREDA checks are standard things taught by most flying schools in the UK. The in-game checklist is excellent by the way, and is adapted from the real life one. -Cycling the alternate air is to check for any change in manifold pressure or RPM that would indicate that the main air intake is becoming blocked. -No, but the pre-landing checklist my company uses suggests pumping the brakes to check that the lines are still pressurised (and therefore the brakes are still working) and to check that the parking brake hasn't been inadvertently engaged in flight. Both of these would make landing a bit interesting if not checked! You do pump the brakes before *retracting* the gear however, as this stops the rotation of the main wheels before they enter the wheel wells. The nosewheel bay has a little rubber block inside for this purpose.
Tried my 1st landing in the Arrow 4.... seems very jittery. Meant to be that way ? I had flaps down and no wind. Compared to stock props it was a real stallion.
What speed were you approaching at? If you’re a bit slow the T tail can lose a lot of effectiveness. Other than that it could be your control settings? I’ve always found that it lands pretty much like the real one does - i.e like a brick with wings 🤣
@@FlyFromHome Having watched your in depth videos I now understand why the Turbo 4 is a bit twitchy. It's handling does change depending on speed and pitch. In some ways the realistic behaviour is a challenge, but I may start with the 3 first and go back to the 4 after I gain some experience. The default Cessnas are on rails -- aka -- "toys", in comparison... that's a fact ! Thnx.
@@FlyFromHome Thanks for the recommendation. You were right. I flew the DA62X last night and it's a great plane. I also have been enjoying the Diamond DA40ng mod.
If I remember rightly you swap a file round in the aircraft root folder. If you read the documentation that comes with the plane it should tell you what to do.
Superb review as usual. Yours are probably the best one can find and I've no doubt that Just Flight and Carenado have benefited mightly from them just as their customers have. If there's one thing I shall take away with me though, it's that wonderful phrase that I shall try to work into every conversation I have from here on, "Window of Variance". Thankyou. By the way, don't you think that MS and/or Asobo have gone a bit overboard with the volume of their airfield traffic? At Doncaster there was a Mercedes crew-carrier moving around and you would think it was fitted with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine with stub exhausts!
"don't you think that MS and/or Asobo have gone a bit overboard with the volume of their airfield traffic?" - you can always adjust this in the settings right?
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah those little vans are a bit on the loud side. Some larger airport vehicles like tugs and loaders are *very* loud in real life though!
Best review on the internet. What a pleasure listening to such real world knowledge and insight. Thankyou.
Great review, really appreciate the "The real aircraft" part. Getting to know all these details from someone who flew the plane in real life makes them feel much more valuable than just reading the store pages...
Thanks! It’s great to hear that at least someone sits through that part of the video 🤣
He's an Instructor btw, not just a pilot. 😁
That's exactly what I did. My first take-off in this plane I pushed throttle to the max without giving it a second thought. As I ran out of runway, my engine died and I was perplexed. Then I realized what was happening and it's been smooth ever since!
Yep, it’s easily done in real life too 😂
This was an outstanding review.
Thank you!
33:38 OK-MAN
For something that is turbocharged its pretty laid back.
XD
You are doing some of the best reviews on MSFS airframes out there... talented, structured, calm but not boring... amazing, congrats! 💙
Thank you! We’ll try to keep it up 😁
Hello, having both aircraft (arrow T and non T), and also flying regularly it, the original arrow T tail rotates correctly at 60, you shoudn't have to pull the joystick to the max. And actually very same apply to non T tail. I would say that trim and global vertical command are not accurate. For the rest, it's a great aircraft.
I would add that performances are a bit too much. I can make 140ktas at 8000 75 percent, this baby is faster
I think the handling of the JF aircraft is a little rough at the moment due to the changes from the sim updates. There’s a flight model update coming soon hopefully.
when trying to land the turbo arrow IV the nose was yo-yoing about and thought it was the worst airplane ever with the worst nose heavy tendency that I couldn't trim out. Then I discovered it was my fault for not putting flaps all the way down and not keeping at 75kts on approach to land.................*facepalm* (never flown it before IRL or on sim and didn't read the books). With full flaps it is absolutely DREAMY to land in the sim. It is a very fast and slippery aircraft on approach if you decide to add any throttle and even on the climb it has a tendency to shoot up very fast. The way this lands and handles I am very much looking forward to learning on one before I rent a turboprop.
Yep, so long as you keep the speed up it lands very nicely, which is just what the real one is like. Glad you’re enjoying it!
Finally, I learned what that annoying flashing yellow light above the 3 landing gear lights is for!!! NOW if only someone can tell me why my VR Focus or zoom function does not work for me!
I read it's functional in the Arrow Turbo IV but not the 3, but for the life of me nothing I have tried will work with it!
It's mapped by default to the right mouse button, but that does not work. Neither does the button on my Alpha Yoke. Its driving me nuts, especially when it obviously is working for others!
It appears to be working in your system too. What can I do to make that VR Zoom key work???
Great review and explanation of the planes features and functions!!! You have a new subscriber!
Oh and yeah, I can see how that automatic gear extension system could be a killer!
If you ever needed to do an off field emergency landing or ditch it in the water you'd want to land with the gear up!!! And taking valuable time to focus away from flying while disabling the automatic gear extension when you're performing an engine out landing could be fatal!
If I were flying the real turbo I'd probably find myself in that situation mighty darn fast I believe because I'd probably burn that engine out and fast!
I'm surprised I haven't done it in the sim yet!
Glad I could be of service for explaining the infamous blinking light! I honestly can’t help with VR since I don’t have any kind of VR setup, but perhaps a quick email to Just Flight or a post on the MSFS Forum could help?
Yep, you’re right about the gear, that’s one of the main reasons why it was ordered to be disabled by the US FAA at one point.
Just found your channel and really enjoy the dept you put in the review. I'm just an amature and was wandering if someone could let me know what does the alt air do and when would I want to open it?
Glad you’re enjoying the videos! The alternate air is a separate intake which bypasses the engine air filter. It’s there in case the main intake fills with ice or the filter becomes blocked 😁
I love the Arrows and bought this on day one and don't regret it at all. I am not a pilot but flying this is a joy, it's immersive and fun. It looks beautiful in the air and the sound is amazing. I love how the exhaust shakes and has a little puff of black smoke when it fires up. I spend 90% of my time in the Arrows. Agree with your review - and enjoyed watching you fly it. thank you for the review and your flight instructions!
Yep, I’ve enjoyed flying both of them a lot. Glad to hear you like them too!
Probably the only review this long that makes you actually wish it was longer. Outstanding and I can definitely see this channel become a reference
Wow, that’s quite an endorsement! Thank you very much for the kind words.
This brings back lots of memories. I owned a Turbo Arrow III during most of the ‘80s. Particularly memorable was the overheating and shock cooling (as we called it). I added a cooling cowl kit to help (but not completely solve) the heating problem. As to shock cooling, the main thing was not to get in a position to have to pull power then descend. The engine stops producing heat and the wind over your engine was quite cooling. I asked for a lot of long descents from far out and center mostly granted the requests. That frequently resulted in incredible ground speeds. Once coming to Houston from El Paso, I had three controllers ask to confirm that I was really a Piper Arrow.
Thanks for the memories.
I want to add. It was a great IFR platform.
That’s a great story, thanks for sharing! And I’m glad you enjoyed the video.
24:10 - I would guess the Ambient Occlusion is working on those rivets causing those subtle shadows making that visible dark line when hit by light/sun. :) 27:32 - It's surprising a lot of ppl including me actually love the biege-brownish color palette on the interior, so purely personal :)
Taste is subjective after all! Just Flight did a great job modelling it either way 😁
This wasn't a review. This was an epic monologue of Oxford Union proportions. Top marks old chap. 👍
Haha thanks! 😆
This is one of the best reviews ive ever sat through im going to go through your whole channel now and watch everything. The insight on the aircraft irl it self was amazing thank you
Thanks!
Ive a question: If a T-tail is not suited for rough strips then why does the PC-12 (an excellent rough strip/almost bush flying aircraft) have a T-tail? How have they solved those problems?
I don’t know anything about the PC-12, but most powerful turboprops have their horizontal stabilisers removed from the prop slipstream to avoid significant changes in control loading based on power settings. It also reduces vibrations through the airframe and controls. It could be that the PC-12’s elevator gains authority at quite a low airspeed, mostly negating the negative effect on short field performance, but you’d have to ask a type rated pilot for a proper explanation!
Brilliant review and I really appreciate your real world experience. I purchased both turbo and non-turbo based on your conclusions and I whole heartedly agree.
Glad to hear it helped! Enjoy the planes 😄
Just purchased this yesterday. Thanks for providing a good reference for me as I go through the teething stages of mastering these two bad boys. Oh, by the way, you've earned yourself a new sub too.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the vid!
So good to hear this sort of stuff from someone who knows what they’re talking about. It adds so much more to the simulation. I learnt so much from your video. Many thanks for taking the time to put this together it is much appreciated.
Thank you! Glad you found it useful.
New go to for reviews, lovely amount of detail and knowledge sharing 👌
Thanks!
great video well dome keep up the great work fly form home great channel
Much appreciated
High tail stabilizer...is there an option for North American lower stabilizer? I see it shows both "OK Man!" Is that Joe bidens plane? Come on man! I always see the Arrow with a black instrument panel, why is is ...gross....brown?
Haha, I think the earlier versions of the Arrow have a black panel. This one was subject to some 1970s ‘styling’ 😅
i love how you can hear everything shaking when u start it up and keep an low rpm
also when u stop the engine, they did a good job on this one
Yeah the sounds are excellent overall.
Never mixture on full when start engine. Its wrong
Yeah that’s a limitation of the game right now, piston engines won’t fire unless you put the mixture forward.
Student, "can you tell me where the alternate air source is? Instructor,"it's under there somewhere".
🤷🏻♂️
Believe it’s a scoop on the right of the cowling but it’s been a few years since I last flew the turbo.
Another brilliant review. I do have both the Arrow III and the Turbo Arrow III / IV. You say to by both aircraft would be £30 + £30 but Just Flight do have a bundle price of £43.99. I bought the Arrow III so I did get the discounted price for the Turbo III / IV. I think they are exceptional.
Thanks! Yes the bundles are good value, I was just referring to the case of someone who bought the III on the MSFS store and now wants the Turbo, who would have to pay full price for both presumably.
Fantastic review! You have a new subscriber! Thanks
Thank you!
I don’t quite understand which exact lights I should have on while starting and taxiing. Just the “radio lights” scroll thingy?
The general drill is that the navigation (sometimes called ‘position’ lights), the red/green on the wingtips and white on the tail tip should be on all the time the plane has power. In the arrow that’s the rotating wheel to the left of the fuel pump switch. If the plane has a rotating or flashing red beacon light on the top or bottom somewhere, you put that on just before starting the engine. Taxi lights (if you have them) go on just before you start moving the aircraft and the high intensity flashing strobes and landing lights go on once you begin to pull onto an active runway. This is a code which is taught to airport ground crew, who will know when an aircraft is about to start or begin moving by what lights it has on 😊
@@FlyFromHome Thanks. I was asking specifically about the Arrow. The “radio lights” wheel should be used all the way to the runway? And nothing else? And there I’d turn on the landing lights + strobes?
The Arrow III/Turbo Arrow III also has a beacon, so you’d have that on too. It’s the split rocker switch next to the strobes.
Just had an absolute blast flying from Frankfurt Airport to Rome today (Over the Alps during nighttime), it was my first night flight and I had to land in one of the airports on the way to refuel but what a fun aircraft to fly. I pretty much only flew the Cessna 172 for about 10 hours before. Fun times, great fun with the aircraft (Arrow iii).
Sounds fun!
wonder
Wonder what, helicopters? Ya, they bring in that stupid pizza delivery drone Volocopter...should have brought a nice zguimbal cabri2 ir a nice 500....smh
This plane would be so much fun to own IRL. I think the added pilot responsibilties add a lot of satisfaction and skill for the pilot. What a beauty. Although I do agree the 3 with the regular tail would be better.
Love the review!
Thanks! Yes, it’s more of a plane to own and have fun with than it is to be training inexperienced pilots in.
Thank you for the Arrows reviews! I found them real helpfull as i was looking for a single engine high realism GA aircraft. Bought the III/III&IV Turbo package and very happy with it. I do need some help with the navigation computers. But flying these is loads of fun! Can imagine me taking a real one up oneday!
Glad you enjoyed them 😊
hello! when I integrate the GTN750 it takes the place of the G530 and also adds a GTN750 in G430 format on the right... why doesn't a single GTN750 appear like in your video?
I suspect that's because the setup has changed since I made this video! Not sure if you can still get it like I have here.
Thank you, I've managed to fly this plane just by watching your video. Great work with your videos, keep'em coming. Cheers.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
I dont know if i should wait for the first A2A Aircraft to arrive or if the piper will already still my thirst for highly realistic planes.
I’m not sure how much longer you’ll be waiting for A2A or what the price range for it will be, but this is certainly an excellent plane for the money imo!
@@FlyFromHome ALREADY BOUGHT IT AND I LOVE IT :D
@@FlyFromHome Very nice Review BTW :D
Thanks! Glad you like the plane 😊
is this turbo version better or the non-turbo version? Thanks!
They’re both equally good representations of their respective aircraft imo! Depends which one you’d prefer to fly.
@@FlyFromHome thanks!
What a lovely plane! Something different than the always present Cessna 172 since 20 years in every flight sim :)
Yep, it’s a real beauty 😊
Love your reviews! Very informative and interesting. P.S. Since you reviewed both the turbo and non-turbo versions, which one do you think is modeled better ? Or are they on the same level ?
I’d say they’re both as good as each other as far as accuracy is concerned. Just depends which aircraft you prefer more!
Underrated channel. You get some real information and history about the aircraft as well as a review and demo. The memes mixed in is the cherry on-top.
Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying the silliness.
So you know : buying the Arrow III then using the 66% discount voucher to buy the Turbo later is for some reason cheaper than buying the 2-plane pack at once.
Good to know!
With the discount and loyalty points from my PA3 purchase this cost me only £8.40!
Very good learning experience
Glad to hear that!
Wonder when they going to bring the Tomohawk to this sim? Love flying it in real life.
I started my instructing career flying Tomahawks and have about 800 hours in them, so I’d be interested to see what one would look like in MSFS!
Fantastic video, came across your channel today whilst off work sick.
Really pleased to see the accuracy of the just flight planes and to have the differences explained and demonstrated.
Glad you enjoyed it and hope you feel better soon!
@@FlyFromHome Thanks buddy, it was just a 24 hour thing, so ok now.
I do RUclips videos as well, stemming back to FSX, then P3d and now msfs, but nothing like the calibre of your videos.
Gracias por el tutorial, muy bueno Saludos desde Colombia
Gracias!
are there any NOT REAL commercial pilots?
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I cant seem to find these planes the piper 3 and 4 in the msfs store.:)?
They seem to only be available in the marketplace in certain locations, not everywhere. The Just Flight store is the place to get it if that's the case.
@@FlyFromHome Yeah in my country Norway its not availble in the store so i bought it from the justflight website;). When it comes to flight model and realism do you think pipers from justflight are close to study level , ? i mean all the buttons work they are heavy in the air etc. Maybe not quite pmdg level but not far off:).
Lovely. Very informative aero engineering info too. Thanks for sharing.
A minor critical item: the rear seat ash tray was not tested.
Oh no, I’ve let all the virtual smokers down 😰 (Glad you enjoyed it though!)
@@FlyFromHome dear old dad had a Citabria 150hp and later a Musketeer IV. Enjoying your work. Just now watching the PA-28 Warrior II vid.
Should I lean mixture during my climb or the turbo will allow me to stay rich up to 12000’?
You *should* be able to stay full rich to 12,000, but I’ve had occasions where power looks to be dropping off earlier than that (may have been atmospheric conditions ofc). I don’t trust the game all that much when it comes to these things!
@@FlyFromHome Thank you. I will test the mixture up to 12,000’ on my next session. Also, the author seems to drop the gear first, and some people drop the first stage of flaps first and then the gear. I guess there is no difference and might be company rules or preference.
@@gruizmd Just the drill I was taught since I first started flying! Ofc the gear has a much higher limiting speed too, and you can lower it early to use as an air brake should you need it.
I had to 'lean' from 9500' today over the French alps at 6° C, 29.94". Dunno if I should do it only after
Very educational and insightful review!
Thanks!
You just made my overall experience with the PTA even better with all the knowledge you share. I love this module.
Thanks! 😁
@@FlyFromHome I have shared your video on msfs VR groups on fb. Looks like the guys/gals enjoy it! You probably got some new subscribers 😉
That’s very kind of you, thank you!
Is it just me, or are pretty much all the small aircraft on fs2020 feeling over powered? For example, in the cessna 172, you should be climbing at about 80kts.... but in the sim, that thing will climb at about 100kts and easily 1000fpm...i almost have to pitch up to almost 20 degrees just to keep it around 80kts (with 1 notch of flaps)
Also, anyone else notice a problem with the first piper arrow 3 from carenado...? That thing wouldn't take off no matter what. When reaching rotation speed, the tail would lift up and nose stuck on the ground and wont move.
Hopefully this one is better
The defaults maybe, I’m not sure honestly since I’ve not tested them. The just flight aircraft are spot on book figures though, as you’ll see in this video 😉
Really enjoyed your review. I am fairly new to MSFS and am wondering how are you getting around the cockpit so quickly with your views? Are you using a joystick? Just using your mouse? I am struggling to figure it out. Thanks
The mouse to look round and the arrow keys to move around! Glad you enjoyed the review 😊
@Fly From Home Can you please give me some advice on which Piper Arrow or the Warrior to purchase as i just want one really out of all of them. I don't fly for real so only use MFS 2020 for pure pleasure. I normally fly the Cessna 152 quite a lot just so you know. The only other plane i have bought is the Mooney ovation. Any advice as to which should i go for. With there being The Warrior, the Piper 3, 3 turbo and 4 turbo its a bit confusing so any advice would be great
If you want something simple that’s most like the Cessna then the Warrior is your best bet. The Turbo is the most complex of the three if you want a challenge - it’s also pretty quick at high altitude if you need a bit more performance. The regular Arrow is somewhere between the two. Just depends what you’d prefer, they’re all absolutely excellent renditions of the real aircraft 😊
@@FlyFromHome Thanks for your reply, very kind of you. I have just got the none turbo Arrow 3, as you said, somewhere in between. But knowing me, i will get the warrior also.👍
Wonderfull Airplane i will buy it :D
Hope you enjoy it!
Best review I’ve seen of an aircraft for MSFS.
Also shows how wrongly I have been flying this thing. The educational value can’t be understated.
Do you have a link to your checklists?
What is the purpose of cycling the Alternate air?
Do you step on the brakes before extending the landing gear?
I’m sorry so many questions.
Great job.
Glad you enjoyed it! I'll try to answer your questions in order -
-The checklist I used is here - www.freechecklists.net/Resources/Piper/PA-28R-201T+(Turbo)+Arrow+IV/
but some of the procedures I used are company specific and are memorised. HASSELL and FREDA checks are standard things taught by most flying schools in the UK. The in-game checklist is excellent by the way, and is adapted from the real life one.
-Cycling the alternate air is to check for any change in manifold pressure or RPM that would indicate that the main air intake is becoming blocked.
-No, but the pre-landing checklist my company uses suggests pumping the brakes to check that the lines are still pressurised (and therefore the brakes are still working) and to check that the parking brake hasn't been inadvertently engaged in flight. Both of these would make landing a bit interesting if not checked! You do pump the brakes before *retracting* the gear however, as this stops the rotation of the main wheels before they enter the wheel wells. The nosewheel bay has a little rubber block inside for this purpose.
Or 'can't be overstated ', even!😃
Great reviews.
Tried my 1st landing in the Arrow 4.... seems very jittery. Meant to be that way ?
I had flaps down and no wind. Compared to stock props it was a real stallion.
What speed were you approaching at? If you’re a bit slow the T tail can lose a lot of effectiveness. Other than that it could be your control settings? I’ve always found that it lands pretty much like the real one does - i.e like a brick with wings 🤣
@@FlyFromHome Having watched your in depth videos I now understand why the Turbo 4 is a bit twitchy. It's handling does change depending on speed and pitch.
In some ways the realistic behaviour is a challenge, but I may start with the 3 first and go back to the 4 after I gain some experience.
The default Cessnas are on rails -- aka -- "toys", in comparison... that's a fact !
Thnx.
What freeware aircraft would you recommend that feels realistic? GA or bush... Thanks.
I don’t know if it counts, but I’m a big fan of the DA62X Project mod. It’s fantastic for a free bit of kit.
@@FlyFromHome Thanks for the recommendation. You were right. I flew the DA62X last night and it's a great plane. I also have been enjoying the Diamond DA40ng mod.
How can I switch to the new interior versus the worn version? Thanks
If I remember rightly you swap a file round in the aircraft root folder. If you read the documentation that comes with the plane it should tell you what to do.
Superb review as usual. Yours are probably the best one can find and I've no doubt that Just Flight and Carenado have benefited mightly from them just as their customers have. If there's one thing I shall take away with me though, it's that wonderful phrase that I shall try to work into every conversation I have from here on, "Window of Variance". Thankyou.
By the way, don't you think that MS and/or Asobo have gone a bit overboard with the volume of their airfield traffic? At Doncaster there was a Mercedes crew-carrier moving around and you would think it was fitted with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine with stub exhausts!
"don't you think that MS and/or Asobo have gone a bit overboard with the volume of their airfield traffic?" - you can always adjust this in the settings right?
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah those little vans are a bit on the loud side. Some larger airport vehicles like tugs and loaders are *very* loud in real life though!