Honestly impressed with the amount of highest scores that were gotten in 2019. Alot of improvement from smaller corps and the larger corps that also topped out in 2019
I think it might have had something to do with the change in on field judging. its harder to see/hear some things from further away. I do not know that for a fact though... just speculation!
came back to this after 2024 finals, i originally commented after 2022 finals: -Music City: 82.875, 2023 Semis (+4.7 pts) + Tied Highest placement -Genesis: 79.813, 2022 Prelims (+1.088 pts) -Pacific Crest: 86.35, 2024 Semis (+1.00 pts) + Highest placement -Colts: 90.263, 2023 Finals (+3.188 pts) + Tied Highest placement -Troopers: 89.475, 2023 Finals (+1.575 pts) -Mandarins: 93.775, 2023 Finals (+4.337 pts) + Highest placement -Blue Stars: 92.775, 2022 Finals (+0.675 pts) -Boston Crusaders: 97.413, 2024 Finals (+2.855 pts) + Tied Highest placement -Bluecoats: 98.75, 2024 Finals (+0.512 pts) + Tied Highest placement lots of corps slowly/steadily improving, even in the lower ranks, which is awesome to see in this day and age. some other corps have had huge breakout years, like mandarins, boston, and music city!
I was there in 19 and everyone was pulling for the Mandarins to make finals. They had such a great show. I ended up on my flight home with a bunch of them. Great group of kids
Oh boy yall, we are in for a few changes, huh Colts is now 87.450 (during semis), up from 87.075 Mandarins is now 90.013 (finals), up from 89.437 Blue Stars is 92.775 (finals), up from 92.10 Boston is now 97.325 (finals), up from 94.558 Yeah thats all that I got tho hehe Super excited about all these not as famous corps getting some time in the finals spotlight! Also, Troopers man. Welcome back
For sure man. If they wouldn't have hand fisted Hey Jude in their last minute I think they would've taken first. The scoring was so close. Even then I still think they should have won. Maybe technically Ghostlight was good but I honestly don't think there was a single part of the show that genuinely I genuinely loved.
@@xaza5625 My best advice is practice what you know and attend auditions no matter how confident you are! Ive been to soooo many drum corps auditions where they tell you they contract on "potential" not talent at that given moment/ audition so if the staff can tell you are someone with a good work ethic, don't get discouraged too easy and you work well with others you're more than likely to make it :) Plus it's always great to reach out to current members or alumni to see what kind of skills you can practice
@@xaza5625 as she said it is best to practice, and get in contact with our director/CEO. Tell him about your situation. You can audition online or maybe do an in person tryout in the Memorial Day camp. In terms of graduation I’m sure you may be able to figure something out, though the corps move in are just a bit less than month away. Practice and be as prepared as possible. Staff loves to see people who have potential and willing to work with the corps.
@@xaza5625 no clue if you are still trying or need advice but most corps have about a 50-60% chance acceptance rate if it is your first time trying out and if it is your 2nd or more there is an about an 80-90% acceptance rate so it’s not as difficult as you would think
so great to think that you will have to update this video because of the successful 2022 season. I’m not sure about all the corps this year, but I do know that Boston, Mandarins, Colts, Music City, and Genesis all posted all-time corps high scores!
What I love about the FE cam of Spirit is it shows just how core to the musicianship of that corps the elements of jazz music were. Those guys were *feeling* that time, and they were on it. Also thanks for the reminder it’s time to rewatch Vanguard 89 again
Damn at 1:32 with Genesis I’ve never heard the bottom drop out on the contras and it come through so clear on a recording!!! One of the best contra sounds I’ve ever heard right there!
4:35 I think the Mandarins just rose 10 places in my mind based on nothing more than the choice to cover that f**king horseshoe helmet in the center of the field.
Saw on another video the reason for that, apparently for their finals performance scouts had to wait 45 minutes between warmup and performance for something that had to do with the live broadcast. They weren't as engaged in their opener during finals as they were during semis.
It doesn't compute in my brain that there's ever been a higher score than Crown 2013, but the Judges probably need to be a bit more objective than I am.
Not sure if you want video ideas or not, but maybe doing the Top scoring shows in places 12th-1st? (Example being I think Regiment 2019 was the highest 12th place score in DCI history)
So glad music city was able to break their record this past season. Nothing against 2019, but in some ways it was a regression (especially in the 2nd and 3rd movements).
The beginning caught me so off guard. I was like "hey, I know that music......city." lol, my hometown corps. I hope to go visit them if they stay nearby for spring training. I haven't seen a drum corps in person since 2019. I'm missing it bad. Edit: correct me if I'm wrong, but the blue knights have scored up in the 95-96ish range right? I swear 2015 was their highest scoring year.
Phantom got robbed of what? They won! 😎 You might be thinking of '88 when they lost to the Scouts. The 3rd place Blue Devils were my favorite that year.
@@voiceofreason9238 they lost to SCV in 89. Second by an ant’s eyelash. Many feel that the superior show lost that night. I agree with you about the 88 Blue Devils though. My favorite drum corps show of all time.
You are right! I said "Phantom" when it was actually "Phantom of the Opera!" Thanks for straitening that out. I saw both shows. You would think I would know better.
@Sforzando Now you need to do a new one after all the historic bests and such at OLS 2022... But dont forget to add in the newest member of the big party, The Battalion from Utah.. Took 7th in theirs first trip to Ooen Finals (being beaten by 3 california powerhouses and 3 much older established corps) and then coming one place from making Semis on their fist try.. I dont care what anyone else says, Calgary doesnt count... due to a bazillion woodwinds LOL And that is coming from a former Flautist in a marching band!
Some thoughts on scoring: 1.) There can be no such thing as a "perfect" score. In science, the last digit in any measurement is a guess. If I measure a piece of string in millimeters, I have to guess if the very end of the string extends past the final millimeter mark by half a millimeter, a third of a millimeter, a quarter of a millimeter, etc. So any measurement of the physical world is always, to some small degree, an estimation. And if it's impossible to measure the length of a piece of string, it's infinitely more impossible to measure the exact position of a human being running around a football field, the exact intonation of eighteen trumpet players, the exact rhythmic cleanliness of nine snare drummers, etc. You would have to confirm that every atom in every human body on the field was positioned exactly above a given drill dot. Even if we issue a perfect score as something relative to "the other performers," or whatever, we admit that we're scoring based largely on emotion, and not on objective physical values. 2.) "General Effect" cannot be measured objectively. While it is physically possible to measure an object or a length of time, no instrument or technique exists to measure the profundity -- the emotional impact -- of a work of art. If a child draws disorganized lines and shapes on a table, most people would agree that her "art" lacks the emotional and intellectual force of Rembrandt or Michelangelo. Yet, to the child's mother and father, the child's art is infinitely more meaningful than The Night Watchmen or the Sistine Chapel, because they love their child. Therefore, no small community of judges or music educators can estimate "General Effect," because everyone who experiences a work of art is generally effected by it. Even those with serious physical or mental impairments can, at times, be profoundly effected by art. No individual or group of individuals has a monopoly on how "effective" a work of art is. As a logical necessity, "General Effect" can only be ascertained democratically, by polling all who experience a work of art and compiling their responses as votes. 3.) Using the same method of adjudication to judge both the subjective and objective -- both the measurable and un-measurable -- aspects of a work of art does a disservice to artists. Professionals can measure objective features about a piece of art with a high degree of accuracy, (though never perfectly, as stated above), but counting the artistic opinions of any individual or group of individuals as authoritative forces artists to conform their art to those individuals' personal preferences. In a fairer world, artists would create whatever art they choose, allowing their audiences, professional or un-prosessional, to evaluate the emotional effect of their art. My personal opinion: In a competitive forum, the objective aspects of art should probably be weighted more heavily than the subjective. Otherwise, expertise is stifled. In fact, one can imagine a technically superior artistic work being ranked beneath a technically inferior work, because the inferior work included references to popular events, people, ideas, etc. Kanye West tells a story about "rap battling" a high school classmate, reciting the most complex lyrics that he could create on the spot, and being out-done because his opponent responded with, "My name is Chris, and you smell like piss." In a democratic adjudication system, it may be imperative that "General Effect" always carry less weight than the objective aspects of an artwork. On the other hand, I suppose artistic communities should decide for themselves how to weight the objective against the subjective. Ingenuity will always follow reward, so responsible people should probably decide for themselves which artistic features to prioritize. In any case, even the most capable individuals can't be expected to observe a small fraction of the complexity of a drum corps performance; that's why issuing a perfect score is fallacious. And nobody can decide how effective an artistic performance is; that's why General Effect should be decided democratically. It's up to us all to decide how heavily we reward the technical versus the emotional.
Dang Ryan, love the analysis! My concern is with objective measurables (visual and music performance scores) holding more weight than General Effect. I think back to 2008. BD had the more superior visual package (drill and color guard) & brass book. Phantom was stronger in percussion and GE. GE is what won Phantom that championship. Are we willing to sacrifice the weight of a feeling the drum corps gives to the judges, audience, etc? Yes, judging a “feeling” is impossible to be objective, but that has to be given a significant weight in my opinion, otherwise shows like Spartacus will only be fan favorites and never champions. Love the discussion!
Noting that all of these scores are pretty much limited to the post "Tick" scoring system that did emphasize marching and precision in a much different way. One person out of step in a company front could cost many points deduction back in the day if a judge decided to park there and watch that one person.. Systems were gamed and this type of judging pretty much went away with the evolution of drill.. I am no expert though and am just going on memory. There have been times where it seems that judges do put themselves at odds with audience perception of "what is good." It seems that progression of scores follows a very predictable path throughout the season and that off nights don't seem to impact certain corps at certain times. We all have our biases, judges included.
Just goes to show you that in the end, score don't really matter. In only 3 instances were these shows my favorites from these corps (Blue Knights, Blue Stars and Blue Devils). The rest were definitely not my favorites. Some I like (89' Vanguard, 2018 BAC, 1988 Scouts, and many, many others), others (2005 Cadets) I don't like at all. Overall, I like more than I dislike so that's good. We all have different tastes as far as show styles go. There's more to life than high scores.
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Boston’s officially broken their highest score record as of 8/3/22 😌 95.2 at Glassboro tonight.
Mandarins are close to passing theirs too!
our high school percussion director went on tour with them this year and had some crazy stories about it !
And tonight. 8/11. 96.5!
And tonight at finals!! 97.3. 8/13/22
Genesis, music city, colts, mandarins and blue stars all broke their record scores as well
Newest top scores as of 2023 World Championships (only if higher than in the video):
- Music City: 82.875 - 2023 Prelims
- Genesis: 79.813 - 2022 Prelims
- Colts: 90.263 - 2023 Finals
- Troopers: 89.475 - 2023 Finals
- Mandarins: 93.775 - 2023 Finals
- Blue Stars: 92.775 - 2022 Finals
- Boston Crusaders: 97.325 - 2022 Finals
MCDC was Semifinals, 82.588 in prelims, which was still higher than previous scores.
Honestly impressed with the amount of highest scores that were gotten in 2019. Alot of improvement from smaller corps and the larger corps that also topped out in 2019
I think it might have had something to do with the change in on field judging. its harder to see/hear some things from further away. I do not know that for a fact though... just speculation!
Speaks more to the inflation of scoring than anything else.
came back to this after 2024 finals, i originally commented after 2022 finals:
-Music City: 82.875, 2023 Semis
(+4.7 pts) + Tied Highest placement
-Genesis: 79.813, 2022 Prelims
(+1.088 pts)
-Pacific Crest: 86.35, 2024 Semis
(+1.00 pts) + Highest placement
-Colts: 90.263, 2023 Finals
(+3.188 pts) + Tied Highest placement
-Troopers: 89.475, 2023 Finals
(+1.575 pts)
-Mandarins: 93.775, 2023 Finals
(+4.337 pts) + Highest placement
-Blue Stars: 92.775, 2022 Finals
(+0.675 pts)
-Boston Crusaders: 97.413, 2024 Finals
(+2.855 pts) + Tied Highest placement
-Bluecoats: 98.75, 2024 Finals
(+0.512 pts) + Tied Highest placement
lots of corps slowly/steadily improving, even in the lower ranks, which is awesome to see in this day and age. some other corps have had huge breakout years, like mandarins, boston, and music city!
Kinda nuts there are literally only 4 99.XX scores in existence
Lol and it's 1/2 blue devils
I counted three, Cavaliers and Cadets at 99.15 and Blue Devils at 99.65.
@@voiceofreason9238 BDs got a 99.05 score for "1930".
@@lamestudiosinc418 So BD got a 99.05 and it wasn't even their highest score. Amazing!
If you count indoor winds as well!! Avon HS scored a 99.165 at WGI Finals this season!!
I was there in 19 and everyone was pulling for the Mandarins to make finals. They had such a great show. I ended up on my flight home with a bunch of them. Great group of kids
My favourite show of 2019!
Oh boy yall, we are in for a few changes, huh
Colts is now 87.450 (during semis), up from 87.075
Mandarins is now 90.013 (finals), up from 89.437
Blue Stars is 92.775 (finals), up from 92.10
Boston is now 97.325 (finals), up from 94.558
Yeah thats all that I got tho hehe
Super excited about all these not as famous corps getting some time in the finals spotlight!
Also, Troopers man. Welcome back
It was a very eventful year. I'm glad I got to see a bunch of underrated corps
mandarins scored 93.775 this year too
Bluecoats deserve the 2019 title imo
And 1989 was a killer year for DCI
For sure man. If they wouldn't have hand fisted Hey Jude in their last minute I think they would've taken first. The scoring was so close. Even then I still think they should have won. Maybe technically Ghostlight was good but I honestly don't think there was a single part of the show that genuinely I genuinely loved.
I liked 2019 BC more than ghost light but I think realistically speaking ghost light deserved the win
Was proud to have made history with PC in 2019! 💙💛 Being apart of that guard literally changed my life also great video!
i really want to join PC soon but i just started playing mello and i graduate soon, any advice?
@@xaza5625 My best advice is practice what you know and attend auditions no matter how confident you are! Ive been to soooo many drum corps auditions where they tell you they contract on "potential" not talent at that given moment/ audition so if the staff can tell you are someone with a good work ethic, don't get discouraged too easy and you work well with others you're more than likely to make it :) Plus it's always great to reach out to current members or alumni to see what kind of skills you can practice
@@xaza5625 as she said it is best to practice, and get in contact with our director/CEO. Tell him about your situation. You can audition online or maybe do an in person tryout in the Memorial Day camp. In terms of graduation I’m sure you may be able to figure something out, though the corps move in are just a bit less than month away. Practice and be as prepared as possible. Staff loves to see people who have potential and willing to work with the corps.
@@xaza5625 no clue if you are still trying or need advice but most corps have about a 50-60% chance acceptance rate if it is your first time trying out and if it is your 2nd or more there is an about an 80-90% acceptance rate so it’s not as difficult as you would think
When Cadets sang their snare break in 2005 it just fit the theme so well and they really just delivered. Amazing
i love that show❤
so great to think that you will have to update this video because of the successful 2022 season. I’m not sure about all the corps this year, but I do know that Boston, Mandarins, Colts, Music City, and Genesis all posted all-time corps high scores!
How could you include cadets 2005 and NOT show the vocal drum break?? Best part of the show right there.
POersonally I think Cadets 2000 was a much better show and should have score higher than 2005.
What I love about the FE cam of Spirit is it shows just how core to the musicianship of that corps the elements of jazz music were. Those guys were *feeling* that time, and they were on it. Also thanks for the reminder it’s time to rewatch Vanguard 89 again
Damn at 1:32 with Genesis I’ve never heard the bottom drop out on the contras and it come through so clear on a recording!!!
One of the best contra sounds I’ve ever heard right there!
A Pedal Eb from the contrabass trombone soloist actually, tubas just held the Eb2 while the soloist dropped to Eb1
@@jacobcosper6899 damn I wonder who played that he must be so sexy
@@jacobcosper6899
Oh gotcha, thanks! In the recording at least it blended really well then, I couldn’t tell.
@@codywright2840 thank you, I tried my best lol
@@jacobcosper6899
Oh lol I take it you were the contrabass trombonist? 😅
4:35 I think the Mandarins just rose 10 places in my mind based on nothing more than the choice to cover that f**king horseshoe helmet in the center of the field.
Really glad that pacific crest is improving. Ive always generally liked them and its nice to see them climb up in the ranks.
The first time I saw them live was 2016 semifinals. They were the first corps to give me chills that night
bro KNEW
dude jersey surf, sounded good in 2009 and only got a 78.55?!, i don't get it
my gosh Crown brass hits different
It's not everyday that you see a score with 4 decimals
But when it happened, it had to be Bloo…
It surprised me how many great corps who made finals got their highest scores in semi's, including the 1988 champion Scouts.
Saw on another video the reason for that, apparently for their finals performance scouts had to wait 45 minutes between warmup and performance for something that had to do with the live broadcast. They weren't as engaged in their opener during finals as they were during semis.
We need a 2022 update bc so many corps broke their records this season
I just had a freakin aneurism looking at how clean those cavaliers visuals were, Jesus Christ!
It doesn't compute in my brain that there's ever been a higher score than Crown 2013, but the Judges probably need to be a bit more objective than I am.
That Houdini show from Blue Stars was phenomenal.
Not sure if you want video ideas or not, but maybe doing the Top scoring shows in places 12th-1st? (Example being I think Regiment 2019 was the highest 12th place score in DCI history)
I have actually already done that!
ruclips.net/video/R-GcjuIb518/видео.html
trittico, such an underrated BK show
Troopers have scored 88.525 as of 8/4/23 at DCI Eastern Classic.
So glad music city was able to break their record this past season. Nothing against 2019, but in some ways it was a regression (especially in the 2nd and 3rd movements).
whats their new record?
@@bumicheese3688 81 I think
2005 cadets still my favorite show
The beginning caught me so off guard. I was like "hey, I know that music......city." lol, my hometown corps. I hope to go visit them if they stay nearby for spring training. I haven't seen a drum corps in person since 2019. I'm missing it bad.
Edit: correct me if I'm wrong, but the blue knights have scored up in the 95-96ish range right? I swear 2015 was their highest scoring year.
2015 was definitely my favorite year for them. Took my, now wife, to finals that year and they blew me away but I don’t believe that year broke 93.
iirc blue knights highest score was 94.XX can’t remember exactly
@@Sforzando_DCI I looked and I was wrong lol. I guess I just want to see them rise farther!
@@squillz8310 lol same here Squillz
Drat... was hoping to see Bridgeman, but alas... they are no more. Fantastic vid, though. Really enjoyed!
Every time I hear Crown 2013, I get goosebumps. There is just nothing like that sound
2023 made like half of these obsolete and honestly it makes me happy seeing how fast these corps improve
MCDC finna bout to smash that record this year. We wont let ourselves fall like last year.
colts, mandarins, blue stars, and of course boston all broke their record score this year 🤩🤩🤩
Troopers highest score is now 89.475 from 2023
man that cadets 05 corps had so much talent!
I marched crossmen that year. I knew at the YEA joint camps we had with them that they had something special that year
I wish Southwind was back to open class because our 84.95 in 2000 would've made the cut right before Pacific Crest
Some of these bands broke these scores today so you should def make another video about this!
9:47 the only corp to achieve perfect brass. That's the best show of the 2010-2015
*Blue Devils 2004 have entered the chat*
(Prelims)
its a shame to see the scouts as low as they are right now.
Mike Jones No such thing as a perfect score in DCI. Crown's brass achieved the maximum score.
And BDs brass popped a 20 in 2004.
@@gunner-qf9eh I said perfect brass score not perfect overall. Re-read my comment
@@mikejones2542 Exactly. Even caption scores there is no such thing as a perfect. You can only achieve maximum scores.
Just love your drum corps posts! Thanks!
Troopers Score has been broken at Allentown this season 😛
Time to update the Blue Stars one after 2022 finals, my dude!
So far there have been FIVE corps with new high scores! There will definitely be an update!
@@Sforzando_DCI this season has been insane! Colts, Troop, BAC, Blue Stars, etc. Crazy as hell
The academy corps bride gives me the chills
I remember that Jersey Surf show. It was fun!
I was sad that Santa Clara Vanguard’s wasn’t Babylon.
That Phantom show was insane! Both '88 and '89 were incredible
The Flo caught me off guard
Man, I tried to get Academy’s finals run in the vid…but Flo had other ideas…
The 02 03 and 04 cavs drill was dumbfounding, 05 cadets was a weird but amazing show and the devils always show out imo
Troopers deserve at least a 90 for their 2021 performance
Phantom ‘89 will always be the greatest closer of all time. They got robbed!
Phantom got robbed of what? They won! 😎
You might be thinking of '88 when they lost to the Scouts. The 3rd place Blue Devils were my favorite that year.
@@voiceofreason9238 they lost to SCV in 89. Second by an ant’s eyelash. Many feel that the superior show lost that night. I agree with you about the 88 Blue Devils though. My favorite drum corps show of all time.
You are right! I said "Phantom" when it was actually "Phantom of the Opera!" Thanks for straitening that out. I saw both shows. You would think I would know better.
ok but phantom ‘11 man 10/10
Best show to not win.
Boston this year like
“Am i a joke to you?”
You need to update this as of 2024
Need a Colts update on this. 90 this season
Please do open class
Coool idea for video compilation
Music city just broke their top score LETS GOO
Time to update this video again... COLTS WITH A 90.263! MFRT BABY! So elated I got to write drum corps history for my age-out season!
Dude how could you forget to include the Crossmen???
@Sforzando Now you need to do a new one after all the historic bests and such at OLS 2022... But dont forget to add in the newest member of the big party, The Battalion from Utah.. Took 7th in theirs first trip to Ooen Finals (being beaten by 3 california powerhouses and 3 much older established corps) and then coming one place from making Semis on their fist try.. I dont care what anyone else says, Calgary doesnt count... due to a bazillion woodwinds LOL And that is coming from a former Flautist in a marching band!
DCI 2022 record breaking championship
A lot of corps are breaking their score records in the 2022 dci season
Lol I was at the show in Little Rock where you threw in Flo
Well time to change the clips for Music City, Genesis, Colts, Mandarins, and Boston Crusaders! 😅 So much history being made this past weekend!
Excellent video thank you friend
A lot of corps went up this past season
gotta update BAC 🥳
2:38 Conquest Shots
Music City just broke a new record: 78.85 at Cincinnati 2022
I'm glad to see music city improving
Some thoughts on scoring:
1.) There can be no such thing as a "perfect" score. In science, the last digit in any measurement is a guess. If I measure a piece of string in millimeters, I have to guess if the very end of the string extends past the final millimeter mark by half a millimeter, a third of a millimeter, a quarter of a millimeter, etc. So any measurement of the physical world is always, to some small degree, an estimation. And if it's impossible to measure the length of a piece of string, it's infinitely more impossible to measure the exact position of a human being running around a football field, the exact intonation of eighteen trumpet players, the exact rhythmic cleanliness of nine snare drummers, etc. You would have to confirm that every atom in every human body on the field was positioned exactly above a given drill dot. Even if we issue a perfect score as something relative to "the other performers," or whatever, we admit that we're scoring based largely on emotion, and not on objective physical values.
2.) "General Effect" cannot be measured objectively. While it is physically possible to measure an object or a length of time, no instrument or technique exists to measure the profundity -- the emotional impact -- of a work of art. If a child draws disorganized lines and shapes on a table, most people would agree that her "art" lacks the emotional and intellectual force of Rembrandt or Michelangelo. Yet, to the child's mother and father, the child's art is infinitely more meaningful than The Night Watchmen or the Sistine Chapel, because they love their child. Therefore, no small community of judges or music educators can estimate "General Effect," because everyone who experiences a work of art is generally effected by it. Even those with serious physical or mental impairments can, at times, be profoundly effected by art. No individual or group of individuals has a monopoly on how "effective" a work of art is. As a logical necessity, "General Effect" can only be ascertained democratically, by polling all who experience a work of art and compiling their responses as votes.
3.) Using the same method of adjudication to judge both the subjective and objective -- both the measurable and un-measurable -- aspects of a work of art does a disservice to artists. Professionals can measure objective features about a piece of art with a high degree of accuracy, (though never perfectly, as stated above), but counting the artistic opinions of any individual or group of individuals as authoritative forces artists to conform their art to those individuals' personal preferences. In a fairer world, artists would create whatever art they choose, allowing their audiences, professional or un-prosessional, to evaluate the emotional effect of their art.
My personal opinion:
In a competitive forum, the objective aspects of art should probably be weighted more heavily than the subjective. Otherwise, expertise is stifled. In fact, one can imagine a technically superior artistic work being ranked beneath a technically inferior work, because the inferior work included references to popular events, people, ideas, etc. Kanye West tells a story about "rap battling" a high school classmate, reciting the most complex lyrics that he could create on the spot, and being out-done because his opponent responded with, "My name is Chris, and you smell like piss." In a democratic adjudication system, it may be imperative that "General Effect" always carry less weight than the objective aspects of an artwork. On the other hand, I suppose artistic communities should decide for themselves how to weight the objective against the subjective. Ingenuity will always follow reward, so responsible people should probably decide for themselves which artistic features to prioritize.
In any case, even the most capable individuals can't be expected to observe a small fraction of the complexity of a drum corps performance; that's why issuing a perfect score is fallacious. And nobody can decide how effective an artistic performance is; that's why General Effect should be decided democratically. It's up to us all to decide how heavily we reward the technical versus the emotional.
Dang Ryan, love the analysis!
My concern is with objective measurables (visual and music performance scores) holding more weight than General Effect.
I think back to 2008. BD had the more superior visual package (drill and color guard) & brass book. Phantom was stronger in percussion and GE. GE is what won Phantom that championship.
Are we willing to sacrifice the weight of a feeling the drum corps gives to the judges, audience, etc?
Yes, judging a “feeling” is impossible to be objective, but that has to be given a significant weight in my opinion, otherwise shows like Spartacus will only be fan favorites and never champions.
Love the discussion!
Here’s a statistical element. Is it possible for groups to be scored and placed in the same order every night at every show? Probable? Think about it.
Noting that all of these scores are pretty much limited to the post "Tick" scoring system that did emphasize marching and precision in a much different way. One person out of step in a company front could cost many points deduction back in the day if a judge decided to park there and watch that one person.. Systems were gamed and this type of judging pretty much went away with the evolution of drill.. I am no expert though and am just going on memory. There have been times where it seems that judges do put themselves at odds with audience perception of "what is good." It seems that progression of scores follows a very predictable path throughout the season and that off nights don't seem to impact certain corps at certain times. We all have our biases, judges included.
Colts’ highest score is now 87.45 at 2022 semifinals!
CRUSADERS JUST GOT A NEW HIGH SCORE WOOOO!!!
Wish DC played more recognized music.
here’s to hoping Cascades make a comeback!
Yeah it's not looking great for a comeback this year 😭
Just goes to show you that in the end, score don't really matter. In only 3 instances were these shows my favorites from these corps (Blue Knights, Blue Stars and Blue Devils). The rest were definitely not my favorites. Some I like (89' Vanguard, 2018 BAC, 1988 Scouts, and many, many others), others (2005 Cadets) I don't like at all. Overall, I like more than I dislike so that's good. We all have different tastes as far as show styles go. There's more to life than high scores.
I geek over Blue Stars 2010, due to the insane mello book.
Should probably update the Mandarins too! 93.775 at Finals!
damn was so ready to see my watchmen 2019 headcam 😔
Music City made new records this year! 2022
2002 Cavaliers is the best show of all time.
No sir. I'm sorry.
It was a game changer visually but the music is not memorable to me
This is correct.
visually yes
2003
Can we just mention Genesis and their contra trombone?
Damn shame that Star of Indiana no longer competes
dude carolina crown is just built diff
Blue Knights drill wow
Was it just me or did that guy on the right flip the bird at 6:49 lmao
can you do this for defunct corps
This video is due for an update. I'm only 4.5 minutes in and already have found 2 or 3 outdated scores and know of another 1 or 2
Why tf was flo from progressive on academt
Because Flo prohibited me from uploading the finals video…
Blue coats just hit a 98.75 tonight and won gold!
90s BK hits dif
If 2021 was a judged season then Troopers would definitely have a score in the 90s imo.
Cavaliers 02 best of the 99 point club..
20 years and nothing comes close
crusaders got a 97.325 this year
dang they really improved
mandarins hit 91 this year, calling it
Idk, someone convince me the blue devils ending isnt corny and that they always use too many props
Some of the 98s from the 80s would likely barely break 90 today
Music City Break their mold 81.763
Genesis Break the mold 78.813
2:38 ...conquest shots?
pretty sure colt beat there highest at finals this year
I believe Colts just beat that score tonight at semifinals! Hopefully Troop breaks theirs tomorrow AT FINALS (MFCT! =X)
colts got their first 90 this year!
didnt the Colts just make a new score record?