The way this guy tries to bring 'antisemitism' into every issue is beyond tedious. Horton telling him this isn't about his feeling and to grow up is pure gold
@BobGrinder-I4c Your thoughtful comment caused me to pause from my daily duties, assume the lotus position & contemplate what you said. Now that I’m finished I’ve adjusted my comment: Scott Horton is a bonafide encyclopedia of foreign policy knowledge. DOUBLE SALUTE!!🫡
For a guy that is so concerned about antisemitism, Noam doesn’t seem too concerned about real Not-sees in Ukraine. It’s all just water off a duck’s back.
Well, of course Kissinger is kind of the intellectual godfather of American empire. So he’s never going to play the dove and oppose such a major conflict America is involved in, no matter what he said in the past. I think @chrisyoung sums it up nicely
46:09 people aren’t saying Netanyahu propping up Hamas caused Oct 7, they’re saying it indicates the economic punishment of Gaza was not based on security and his intention was obstructing peace to keep expanding settlements.
@@kswindl exactly. Things change. Ask a Hezbollah soldier why he has one less testicle today…things change. Ask a “resistance” fighter in Yemen why the country has no electricity….things change.
A few thousand years ago the Romans made hostages of the children of conquered lands. When they'd learned to be proper little Romans, the Romans sent them back. The Brits learned this system and Americans have mastered this with NGOs.
I’m just 43 minutes in, and so far Scott has given sound analysis, and how 66% of the CFR opposed all this, and Noam has gripped onto Kissinger (while ironically suggesting Scott is working backwards)… then all of a sudden Noam supplies a montage of different short clips of different people then getting Scott to answer for how the anti-Ukraine war opinion is somehow linked with anti-semitism lollll I was laughing, I don’t fault Scott for being pissed. What a joke
Noam is very good at BS. Big chip on his shoulder. Horton looks like a historian and is great at explaining his opinion and facts. Not everything is perfect but close
If you look, you'll find Allen Dulles himself, as an official in the OSS, was consulting with N_zi officials as early as 1942. Those meetings led to the formation of "stay behind" armies. They recruited, for example, Ukrainians N_zi collaborators. Washington covertly supplied them to make attacks within the Soviet Union. Washington continued to support them until about 1954. The host says, "a million people showed up in Maidan Square" from late 2013 to early 2014. He apparently swallows US propaganda without question. ... i was in Ukraine then. Not everyone, even in western Ukraine, was in favor of the blatant Russophobic coup. It was also obvious to Ukrainians that Washington was behind the coup, especially after Victoria Nuland's phone call to US ambassador Geoff Pyatt was made public (transcript of the entire phone call is still available on BBC). Her phone call occurred before the protests in Maidan turned violent. It occurred before Ukrainian president Victor Yanukovich was forcefully ousted. This was done despite Yanukovich had already essentially gave up, called for early elections. BTW, we should be aware that, as John Mearshimer reminded us, Bill Clinton had decided on the expansion of NATO as early as 1994. This is only a few years after President Bush Sr and Baker in Washington, after several European leaders, including Thatcher in the UK, and the Secretary General of NATO all promised Gorbachev NATO will not expand eastward
Noam if you really want some more credible people to hear this all from I can help with a short list Prof. Glenn Diesen, Ambassador Chaz Freeman, Ambassador Jack Matlock, Prof. John Mearsheimer, Col Lawrence Wilkerson, Prof. Jeffrey Sachs Prof. Steven Cohen You may want to actually familiarise yourself with Prof. Ivan Katchanovski's work on the sniper massacre, that key event at the root of the coup, the civil war and ultimately the present war. Thanks for the interview tho
@@imrekalman9044 Very sad, I know. His voice is greatly missed during these times. His many interviews can still be found, he was remarkably prescient at times. He also recorded an audiobook comprised of several articles he wrote for the Nation, I enjoyed it.
Easy. That’s too much for them too fast!!! Easy!!! Sometimes it’s best to keep it to ourselves because even Jesus understood no matter if I speak to 1 person or 300, none may come away with wanting more to know or 10 may.
55:58 : "if Canada was ruled by a Muslim majority and the Anglos were persecuted it would very soon become the USA's problem": very good example to explain why Russia intervened in Ukraine.
The point is, it was obvious to me years before George Floyd died the national media could have publicized such a case and created civil and political unrest at any moment. It’s a big country with a lot of criminal activity, and cameras in every pocket. They chose to wait for an election year and the reelection campaign of a guy they had been framing as a traitor and impeaching for years. The emotion and outrage was real, but the media coverage and political response was a coordinated, color revolution style campaign. They can and probably will do it again, especially when deportations begin
Even then, what those protests were like? People just randomly destroying and pillaging stuff. Protests in Ukraine were long, well-organized, well-supplied, and guided.
A peace deal was negotiated two months into this war. According to mediator, Naftali Bennett It was the US and the UK that throttled peace. He couldn’t explain why, except to say that it might be to send a message to China.
This is amazing to me. I'm pointing out that this is the lens with which the anti-Ukraine people are presenting it. Am I making it up. Who is more associated with this stuff than Greenwald and Carlson??? They say Israel is the "primary" factor.
those who generally oppose war are going to have problems with Israel and are going to see it as the key "satellite" state of US to control middle east. Nothing to do with religion.
@@HarryPainter It's a nuanced issue. You are totally correct that you can criticize Israel and not hate Jews at all. It's also true that most people that fixate on Israel hate Jews. If a guy said "Dogs are less cleanly than Cats.", totally normal, he just has an opinion based on an observation. If he posts 200 times a day on social media how much Dogs are filthy and evil and the only reason Cats are suffering, he probably hates Dogs.
It was going so well until Noam went to the BS “How do you answer for these people” tactic around 46 minutes in. People are tired of these Childish antics. Good to see Noam called out for this BS by Scott.
Your "quote" is nowhere in the video. And what's wrong with getting someones opinion on what the biggest commentators on the planet are saying about the subject they're discussing?
@@michaeljames8410 The problem is that the host wanted to employ the classic strategy of defusing criticism of someone who happens to be Jewish by claiming all criticism is antisemitism instead of debating the merits of the criticism itself; plus he wanted Scott to answer for someone else's statement and extrapolate the supposed antisemitism of other people and apply it to Scott thus accusing Scott of being antisemitic because of other people supposedly are which is insane.
@@merfymachis job in this moment is to interview Scott about his arguments, not to play a bunch of out of context clips of other people who have nothing to do with Scott or what he is arguing and ask Scott comment on them
I lived in Kiev for 2 years 2 terribly years and Maidan Square does not hold 1 million people, no way know how impossible it’s not big enough. You can’t fit more than 80,000 people in that square and that would include the surrounding streets.
@@jcr4runner amazing city my ass, come on man, what the fuck is so great about it? 90% of the restos suck, 90% of the bars suck, 80% of the girls have severe facial acne and crooked tombstone teeth like the British, (yet its promoted that "every" girl is a knock out, bullshit! more like 20% only) utilities shutdown all the time (before the war) the city center is small for an adult, what do you have Barman Diktat and that's it? the rest of them are a joke, although the Alchemist is pretty good, but still not much. And its NOT cheap! Poland and Hungary is cheaper and better than Ukraine.
I don't understand why the Victoria Nuland phone call is such a "gotcha". Does it really change the equation if Nuland is "only" directing the opposition side of the proposed "unity government", as opposed to directing a post-coup administration? It seems like a detail without a distinction. In either case, the US State department (and intelligence, presumably) are deeply entangled in corrupt Eastern European politics.
The US does regime changes all the time. Pakistan earlier this year. Now Georgia, Romania, Syria. The CIA is expert in this. When it blows up in their face its culpable deniability. Every conflict on Russia's borders waa originally an "organic" simmering ethnic conflict, but the CIA always stokes them. There were TWO Western regime changes in Kiev -- 2004, 2014. 2025 will be the next one. Right on schedule.
EVERYTHING comes back to antisemitism for Noam, without fail. Some of his content is good, but gimme a break. My jaw dropped when I saw the episode where he passive aggressively insinuated that doctor who worked in Gaza was being dishonest. It's like, he's so consumed with antisemitism, it obfuscates his capacity to be sensitive or decent. It's really like he believes antisemitism is justly THE most pressing issue in the world. And it's kind of ironic, because it's just that type of attitude which begets bigotry.
1:41:00 “I’ll do you a solid and I’ll cut that clip into this interview before I post it”. Blank screen at the end… At what temperature is your “solid” actually solid, cause there are just fumes here.
Noam should do more research on psychological warfare operations( PSyop). Anyone who ever serve in the military know what is PSyop. Finding people in a foreign country to conduct mass protest is Spyop course 101. You just need to find credible social or political leaders who are opposed to the government, align your goals with their vision, and provide them enough financial and materials supports, and communication training to conduct their activities. That it.
There was never 'a million people' there. If you want to see what 54000 people look like, watch the 'Moscow march' when the Russians walked the German POWs after Stalingrad through the streets of Moscow in 1944. That's a mere 54000 for you - a never-ending sea of uniforms. To fit a million people on a city street like Khreshatik in Kyiv is a physical impossibility, which is not to say that the protests were largely civil unrest until the Nigoyan's death...
so true I said, the exact same thing I lived in Kiev for two years, and that whole area is small that squares is too tiny to fit any luck large number of people
@@imrekalman9044 Right, but that’s Tushino Airfield-standing at one end, you can’t even see the other; it stretches beyond the horizon. Even still, the best estimates - 500,000.
@@AntonShmerkin As I recall 500k is where they stopped counting. Based on aerial footage the estimated attendance was 1.6 million. Whatever, I was twelve living in a neighbouring country. Either way that's more than Maidan square.
Oh, come on. This thing with Zelensky and the anti-Semitism is so lame! Ask Zelensky how he feels when he lays wreaths at the monument to Bandera - the Nazi who brutally murdered thousands of Jews, and today a national hero of Ukraine? And I will emphasize again that the countries of Eastern Europe never wanted to be members of NATO. A handful of people wanted it, under the dictates of the United States. No one asked the people about this issue, because they knew what the answer would be. We, Eastern Europeans, were never afraid of Russia in the 90s. And today we are not afraid of Putin, on the contrary, he is the only statesman on the global stage whom we respect.
Never idolize another human being! My personal affinity for Winston Churchill, is an empirical example.. I still think Churchill is an exemplar of bravery, and intellect, however, he is not the savior of 'the good guys' that I once believed. The narratives that we are all told to believe without question, are rife with human infallability, and potential for malice/self service.
31:25 : about NATO and its missiles being a existential threat to Russia: the US bragged about a first strike capability against Russia! Another important thing to say in favor of the thesis that Russia is really concerned about this threat (and does not want NATO to get out of Ukraine because it intends to invade it) is that Russia was OK with Ukraine joining the UE, which would have given it the "protection" of NATO.
lmao noam gets apoplectic when tucker says the word "ratlike", but can barely stifle a yawn when scott brings up literal neo natzis militias in uktraine. Something tells me he's not actually all that worried about antisemitism
“The idea of a neutral Ukraine is no longer meaningful…” -meaning the neutrality was meaningful before the conflict. The party that demanded for Ukraine to choose a side was the one who instigated the conflict. Simple.
@ Explain how Russia demanded Ukraine take sides when they were a union before and mutually disbanded? They both had a Friendship Agreement which EU refused to consider that Ukraine has binding obligations with Russia.
If only Noam was consistent with the standard of truth / accuracy to the folks at NYT or CNN. Because it’s a GOOD standard if universal - but a recipe for terrible bias if one lets one group fall short and/or only holds ‘dissenters’ to account.
Polish people are aware that although they're in Nato, at the end of the day they need to count on themselves. If you can count, always count on yourself.
1:34:15 : important to understand: Porochenko's election was not "fair", part of the East was rebelling against the putschist government, whose first legislative act was the abrogation of the Kivalov-Kolesnichenko laws, that gave linguistic rights to the ethnic Russians, and the turnout in the East was very low (30-35%). When you deny democracy to (part of) a people for so long (Yanukovych's first election was cancelled in 2004 after the Western sponsored so-called "Orange Revolution", he was ousted in 2014 in spite of having accepted a new government composed of Maïdan-supported politicians,...), you can expect it renounces. And Yanukovych was the most popular leader for the East, the only one who showed he was capable of winning a national election, and he couldn't represent them anymore. Democracy is a fragile thing!
20:16 - 20:30 EXACTLY!!! It depends on where you START!! You have to go back to the mid 1500s if you want to understand it. You won’t. Listen to what we are saying.
Scott is a national treasure, unfortunately I can't espouse as much for Noam. That being said, Noam does at least attempt to be informed on his positions and platforms valuable voices in spite of not ideologically aligning with them and humor their arguments in relatively good faith. He reminds me a lot of Piers Morgan for better or worse, although he's insufferable when he gets so histrionic regarding any criticism of jewish influence. I **want** to like the guy as he seems well intentioned but he makes it rather challenging.
Wow, did I really get Scott’s argument right (around 55-56min), that ethnic solidarity and perceived persecution of your ethnic group is valid basis to interfere in another nations affairs - up to military invasion. I’ve heard this before from people arguing for the moscow point of view (never for western point of view).
Would the million people you could get out on the streets of Washington DC be representative of Americans as a whole? So the million in Kiev that supported Maidan mean nothing as far as its real popularity.
Where's the Burisma oil connection? Why are UK and Shell interested in the region? European countries want cheap Russian oil, gas, LNG, we don't want them to get it from Russia.
Nothing bothers me more than illogical jumping around when theyre losing an argument. At around 1:33:00 Scott references J6, saying "what if this went on for months and it was funded by the Russians or Chinese". The host's counter argument- you know who would agree with you? Tucker Carlson. You know he said that whole thing was an inside job and that's crazy, I saw j6 and thats just- Instead of responding to what Scott argued, the host basically says. "So you basically believe the same thing as this nutjob" and then diverts to a completely different subject.
I think the Germans would have prevailed on Western Front after knocking Russia out of the war and getting all the massive benefits (in terms of food and production) of Brest Litovsk
V. Nuland's "fuck the EU" part of her conversation with Piett. Isn't it a reason enough to be sure that the talk wasn't about discussing agreement with Yanukovitch?
37:10 WTF!??! Greenwald says what Scott and myself say when asked about why any of this matters and how did it all start? We can track it all back!!! Shit even Dave Smith!!! No no! You need to learn the true history of what has happened!! You don’t even know where to start, I’ve explained where several times now and you still won’t figure it out!! B
I think that the Ukraine situation is sad, dangerous situation that could really rearrange the world if we are not thoughtful in our moves and counter moves. Ukraine deserves freedom but that old saying says it best "you're enemy also has a vote" so I don't see a clear, or easy path either way, I see a lot of fighting either way
Need proof, when the other truth hits you squarely in your face.... interruptions orchestrated so your team can pump your side videos, clips..... destruction tactics galoure.
I had to laugh at the "proof" part. Visit the websites of the biggest NGOs in Georgia and they show it there that they are funded by the West and their talking points is completely in line what the Western politicians are saying. But somehow, they have NOTHING TO DO with the protests. A country that staged a shit ton of coups all around the world WOULD NEVER USE SOFT POWER TO TOPPLE GOVERNMENTS. I mean... Holy fuck... Thats beyond delusional.
Noam is not telling the truth, because Katchanovski said in the Nonzero interview that Maidan was false flag operation, so Noam just cherry picking one quote is really dishonest.
Watch it Scott, Hillary throwing the weight of her gigantic stomach around joining forces with Vicki's gigantic stomach would be no match for you pal !!!
I’m not sure what litigating the causes of WWII has to do with Ukraine/Russia now, but whatever. I’m a decently bright person, and I don’t understand either the “no wwii, no hcaust” argument, which so many actual historians (as opposed to Pat Buchanan) have rebutted, nor the point in arguing it. I’m afraid we’re missing the forest for the trees: Why is questioning who the malevolent actors were in WWII and the veracity of the Hcaust part of the _current_ zeitgeist? What is going on culturally?
Well, as for the Hcaust thing, I have a hunch. People are starting to question whether it really happened because the jewish state of Israel for the past almost 80 years has been doing to other people what was allegedly done to them during WWII. They have occupied palestinian territories for 57 years, thrown palestinians into ghettos (just like jews in Poland), treated them as second-class citizens in their own land, forcibly sterilized ethiopian immigrants (or "strongly suggested that they sterilize themselves," as israeli media reported), among other things comparable to what the germans did. Plus, in many countries, even questioning the veracity of the Hcaust is severely punished. Just to be clear, I believe the Hcaust happened and that it was an abomination against humanity, but the jews themselves, especially the israelis, are not helping their case.
@ Can you explain where there are ghettos and how they’re treated as second class citizens? I’m also confused about the Ethiopian sterilization stuff. It doesn’t really make sense. Why would Izzz airlift them home and then sterilize them? They could have just left them in Africa. My understanding is that there was zero evidence for any state-run sterilization program, but that it was likely _some_ women didn’t fully understand what they were being given.
@@joge2468 Just look at how plestinians are treated in Israeli-occupied west bank cities like Hebron and Bethlehem. While jewish settlers are free to roam the occupied west bank without any hindrance, palestinians are forbidden from walking, driving, and opening businesses on certain streets, there are gated communities exclusively for jews, palestinians have to pass through numerous IDF checkpoints, and are often arrested at these checkpoints, expelled from their own lands by jewish settlers, etc.
@@joge2468 Regarding forced sterilizations of immigrants, there is evidence that israeli clinics forced ethiopian immigrants to take contraceptives, and this is evidenced, among other things, by the rapid decline in the birth rate of these immigrants. Why would Israel do this? I don't know, maybe for the same reason the germans did it to them? They learned from the best.
The h-cost was at the end of the war . When Germany was getting pounded by the allies. So the argument was that it wouldn't have happened if the war didn't happen , seeing as how it happened at the back end of a war in which they were being soundly defeated.
This man brought on a medical doctor who saw bullets in the heads of kids in Gaza and tried to tell him he was making things up. He is not a good person
There's a difference between speaking logically vs. Not having any evidence for what he says about why people do things (psychology) when you HAve no evidence and are swept away by actual experts' just so stories-he is a lot of just stories hot air.
Gotta love Scott - "what the fuck Noam you're just gonna play clips of other people and expect me to answer for them!?.... and also I do agree with everything they said and their audiences make up 99.9% of my book sales so Candace and Tucker if you're listening to this please read my book... But yeah so bad faith Noam jeez"
Never heard of this podcast or the host, and his name isn't listed anywhere. I've followed Scott forever and he cleans this guy's clock as usual and expected. But whoever this host is, he reveals that he is on an email basis with Robert Reich. That should be all anyone needs to know about his opinions or insights. But of course, Reich wouldn't dare to go toe to toe with any of the libertarian giants like Horton on foreign policy and FOR SURE refuses to face up to any of the ACTUAL economists from the Austrian school. And if this host's go-to source for consult on any topic is the likes of Reich, I can see why I've never heard of him. He thought he was going to get in a jab. Waste of breath.
The way this guy tries to bring 'antisemitism' into every issue is beyond tedious. Horton telling him this isn't about his feeling and to grow up is pure gold
Scott exposed this guy completely!
Cope
@@yngwzScott absolutely exposed Noam
Scott Horton in an encyclopedia of foreign policy knowledge. SALUTE!!!
No, he is not. He actually knows a little about East Europe including Ukraine.
@BobGrinder-I4c Your thoughtful comment caused me to pause from my daily duties, assume the lotus position & contemplate what you said. Now that I’m finished I’ve adjusted my comment: Scott Horton is a bonafide encyclopedia of foreign policy knowledge. DOUBLE SALUTE!!🫡
Encyclopedia of lies.
Scott Horton is a joke.
Scott knows his shit and has receipts. His books are excellent
The interviewer was insufferable, Scott did his thing and a great patriot.
For a guy that is so concerned about antisemitism, Noam doesn’t seem too concerned about real Not-sees in Ukraine. It’s all just water off a duck’s back.
All the Nazi's that elected a jewish president, right? Let the adults handle this one champ.
Nice reference
Kissinger basically says “well, now that the baby’s cooked we might as well eat it!”
It's so stupid I don't even know how someone can use that argument.
Well, of course Kissinger is kind of the intellectual godfather of American empire. So he’s never going to play the dove and oppose such a major conflict America is involved in, no matter what he said in the past. I think @chrisyoung sums it up nicely
It's actually pretty simple. We didn't let them join in order to prevent war. Didn't work.
46:09 people aren’t saying Netanyahu propping up Hamas caused Oct 7, they’re saying it indicates the economic punishment of Gaza was not based on security and his intention was obstructing peace to keep expanding settlements.
October 7th changed all prior calculations
@@abbaeben6409 it didn’t
@@abbaeben6409 The idea that world leaders sometimes miscalculate never enters the conspiratorial mindset.
@@kswindl exactly. Things change. Ask a Hezbollah soldier why he has one less testicle today…things change. Ask a “resistance” fighter in Yemen why the country has no electricity….things change.
@@abbaeben6409 It did not rofl.
Why do you think we finance NGOs in poor countries? Just because we are nice people? No! That's to have access into their societies to influence them.
A few thousand years ago the Romans made hostages of the children of conquered lands. When they'd learned to be proper little Romans, the Romans sent them back. The Brits learned this system and Americans have mastered this with NGOs.
I’m just 43 minutes in, and so far Scott has given sound analysis, and how 66% of the CFR opposed all this, and Noam has gripped onto Kissinger (while ironically suggesting Scott is working backwards)… then all of a sudden Noam supplies a montage of different short clips of different people then getting Scott to answer for how the anti-Ukraine war opinion is somehow linked with anti-semitism lollll I was laughing, I don’t fault Scott for being pissed. What a joke
Noam is very good at BS. Big chip on his shoulder. Horton looks like a historian and is great at explaining his opinion and facts. Not everything is perfect but close
If you look, you'll find Allen Dulles himself, as an official in the OSS, was consulting with N_zi officials as early as 1942. Those meetings led to the formation of "stay behind" armies. They recruited, for example, Ukrainians N_zi collaborators. Washington covertly supplied them to make attacks within the Soviet Union. Washington continued to support them until about 1954.
The host says, "a million people showed up in Maidan Square" from late 2013 to early 2014. He apparently swallows US propaganda without question. ... i was in Ukraine then. Not everyone, even in western Ukraine, was in favor of the blatant Russophobic coup. It was also obvious to Ukrainians that Washington was behind the coup, especially after Victoria Nuland's phone call to US ambassador Geoff Pyatt was made public (transcript of the entire phone call is still available on BBC). Her phone call occurred before the protests in Maidan turned violent. It occurred before Ukrainian president Victor Yanukovich was forcefully ousted. This was done despite Yanukovich had already essentially gave up, called for early elections.
BTW, we should be aware that, as John Mearshimer reminded us, Bill Clinton had decided on the expansion of NATO as early as 1994. This is only a few years after President Bush Sr and Baker in Washington, after several European leaders, including Thatcher in the UK, and the Secretary General of NATO all promised Gorbachev NATO will not expand eastward
I’m 8 minutes and confident to say well done Scott!! He’s the 🐐! He never disappoints!
Noam if you really want some more credible people to hear this all from I can help with a short list
Prof. Glenn Diesen,
Ambassador Chaz Freeman,
Ambassador Jack Matlock,
Prof. John Mearsheimer,
Col Lawrence Wilkerson,
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs
Prof. Steven Cohen
You may want to actually familiarise yourself with Prof. Ivan Katchanovski's work on the sniper massacre, that key event at the root of the coup, the civil war and ultimately the present war.
Thanks for the interview tho
Sadly prof. Cohen is not available for an interview. :(
@@imrekalman9044 Very sad, I know. His voice is greatly missed during these times. His many interviews can still be found, he was remarkably prescient at times. He also recorded an audiobook comprised of several articles he wrote for the Nation, I enjoyed it.
Easy. That’s too much for them too fast!!! Easy!!! Sometimes it’s best to keep it to ourselves because even Jesus understood no matter if I speak to 1 person or 300, none may come away with wanting more to know or 10 may.
55:58 : "if Canada was ruled by a Muslim majority and the Anglos were persecuted it would very soon become the USA's problem": very good example to explain why Russia intervened in Ukraine.
Ha, especially to Noam.
@WillyLoman15 ?
@@hervedelo7824 May have meant to comment on a different post.
1:23:31. Does Noam think the BLM protests in 2020 were totally organic?
Organic in the sense they were a product of the historical circumstances of the time? Then yeah.
The point is, it was obvious to me years before George Floyd died the national media could have publicized such a case and created civil and political unrest at any moment. It’s a big country with a lot of criminal activity, and cameras in every pocket. They chose to wait for an election year and the reelection campaign of a guy they had been framing as a traitor and impeaching for years. The emotion and outrage was real, but the media coverage and political response was a coordinated, color revolution style campaign. They can and probably will do it again, especially when deportations begin
Even then, what those protests were like? People just randomly destroying and pillaging stuff. Protests in Ukraine were long, well-organized, well-supplied, and guided.
Every time I listen to this show I am utterly astounded at how dumb Noam's takes are.
I think he's actually pretty smart. It just seems like, he's just so consumed with antisemitism, it warps his perspective.
Scott is great and Salute 🫡
He´s a paid Russian shill. With the debating skills of a pre-schooler.
A peace deal was negotiated two months into this war. According to mediator, Naftali Bennett It was the US and the UK that throttled peace. He couldn’t explain why, except to say that it might be to send a message to China.
Bennett himself denies this happened, but OK.
@ He says it in his interview with Hanoch Daum. It’s on RUclips, for anyone interested.
@@FreedomFox1 He says there never was a deal, and talks broke down due to accusations of Russian war crimes.
Interesting no one ever says what this supposed deal entailed.
@@kswindl Did you watch the Daum interview? Bennett says the deal was in its advanced stages, when it broke down due to US in UK intervention.
Thank you for having Scott on
"At some point, we have to take a stab at reality."
Scott is wasting his time with this guy!
Agree, one of way to many that let themselves being brainwashed 😢
It's a lack of IQ, not able to think themselves 🤔
I get it because of his identity, but Noam lays it on pretty thick with the antisemitism angle. It is the only lens through which he views the world.
This is amazing to me. I'm pointing out that this is the lens with which the anti-Ukraine people are presenting it. Am I making it up. Who is more associated with this stuff than Greenwald and Carlson??? They say Israel is the "primary" factor.
those who generally oppose war are going to have problems with Israel and are going to see it as the key "satellite" state of US to control middle east. Nothing to do with religion.
@comedycellarclips With our actions in Ukraine?
@@comedycellarclipsit’s amazing to everyone else that you just read the word antisemitism and heard it as anti Israel
@@HarryPainter It's a nuanced issue.
You are totally correct that you can criticize Israel and not hate Jews at all.
It's also true that most people that fixate on Israel hate Jews.
If a guy said "Dogs are less cleanly than Cats.", totally normal, he just has an opinion based on an observation.
If he posts 200 times a day on social media how much Dogs are filthy and evil and the only reason Cats are suffering, he probably hates Dogs.
Im 28 mins in and so far Noam is telling Scott he's wrong because the gov't said what the gov't is doing is correct and just. He even has clips ready.
It was going so well until Noam went to the BS “How do you answer for these people” tactic around 46 minutes in. People are tired of these Childish antics. Good to see Noam called out for this BS by Scott.
Your "quote" is nowhere in the video. And what's wrong with getting someones opinion on what the biggest commentators on the planet are saying about the subject they're discussing?
@@michaeljames8410 The problem is that the host wanted to employ the classic strategy of defusing criticism of someone who happens to be Jewish by claiming all criticism is antisemitism instead of debating the merits of the criticism itself; plus he wanted Scott to answer for someone else's statement and extrapolate the supposed antisemitism of other people and apply it to Scott thus accusing Scott of being antisemitic because of other people supposedly are which is insane.
Noam is just doing his job
@@merfymachis job in this moment is to interview Scott about his arguments, not to play a bunch of out of context clips of other people who have nothing to do with Scott or what he is arguing and ask Scott comment on them
@@michaeljames8410commenters who have nothing to do with Scott and who’s comments have nothing to do with what Scott is arguing?
I lived in Kiev for 2 years 2 terribly years and Maidan Square does not hold 1 million people, no way know how impossible it’s not big enough. You can’t fit more than 80,000 people in that square and that would include the surrounding streets.
What was terrible? I loved Kiev. Been there ten times. Amazing city.
@@jcr4runner amazing city my ass, come on man, what the fuck is so great about it? 90% of the restos suck, 90% of the bars suck, 80% of the girls have severe facial acne and crooked tombstone teeth like the British, (yet its promoted that "every" girl is a knock out, bullshit! more like 20% only) utilities shutdown all the time (before the war) the city center is small for an adult, what do you have Barman Diktat and that's it? the rest of them are a joke, although the Alchemist is pretty good, but still not much. And its NOT cheap! Poland and Hungary is cheaper and better than Ukraine.
@@jcr4runner amazing city my aSS, come on man, what the fu
@@jcr4runner amazing city my aSS, come on man, what the fu
@@jcr4runner amazing city my aSS, come on man, what the fu
Scott the goat.
And, Victoria aka Cooky Monster Friland, when asked about what The EU will say, said, F the EU
I don't understand why the Victoria Nuland phone call is such a "gotcha". Does it really change the equation if Nuland is "only" directing the opposition side of the proposed "unity government", as opposed to directing a post-coup administration? It seems like a detail without a distinction. In either case, the US State department (and intelligence, presumably) are deeply entangled in corrupt Eastern European politics.
Spinning an eastern european conflict into a discussion about antisemitism. Classic.
The US does regime changes all the time. Pakistan earlier this year. Now Georgia, Romania, Syria. The CIA is expert in this. When it blows up in their face its culpable deniability.
Every conflict on Russia's borders waa originally an "organic" simmering ethnic conflict, but the CIA always stokes them.
There were TWO Western regime changes in Kiev -- 2004, 2014.
2025 will be the next one. Right on schedule.
This is like a Russian children's story. I can't imagine being this naive.
EVERYTHING comes back to antisemitism for Noam, without fail. Some of his content is good, but gimme a break. My jaw dropped when I saw the episode where he passive aggressively insinuated that doctor who worked in Gaza was being dishonest. It's like, he's so consumed with antisemitism, it obfuscates his capacity to be sensitive or decent. It's really like he believes antisemitism is justly THE most pressing issue in the world. And it's kind of ironic, because it's just that type of attitude which begets bigotry.
1:41:00 “I’ll do you a solid and I’ll cut that clip into this interview before I post it”.
Blank screen at the end…
At what temperature is your “solid” actually solid, cause there are just fumes here.
RUclips wouldn't allow it.
@@comedycellarclipsthen add you saying that in the video. Or just writing on the page.
Almost impossible job for Scott, to get through such and indispensable and exceptional hypocrite!
They didn't think Russia would win in 2 weeks!
After training Ukraine for 8yrs?
REALLY?
NONSENSE!!!
Scott Horton💪
35:17 noam:we are running out of time
Me: running time says 1 hour 10 min left 😂
Damn, Scott is prepared✌
Ok bot
Isnt this the same idiot that invited norman finklestein on and treated him like he didnt know anything about israel? That aged well.
Noam should do more research on psychological warfare operations( PSyop). Anyone who ever serve in the military know what is PSyop. Finding people in a foreign country to conduct mass protest is Spyop course 101. You just need to find credible social or political leaders who are opposed to the government, align your goals with their vision, and provide them enough financial and materials supports, and communication training to conduct their activities. That it.
There was never 'a million people' there. If you want to see what 54000 people look like, watch the 'Moscow march' when the Russians walked the German POWs after Stalingrad through the streets of Moscow in 1944. That's a mere 54000 for you - a never-ending sea of uniforms. To fit a million people on a city street like Khreshatik in Kyiv is a physical impossibility, which is not to say that the protests were largely civil unrest until the Nigoyan's death...
Protests occurred in more cities than one, it was likely the total
so true I said, the exact same thing I lived in Kiev for two years, and that whole area is small that squares is too tiny to fit any luck large number of people
To see what a million people look like I'd recommend "Monsters Of Rock 1991 Moscow". :P
@@imrekalman9044 Right, but that’s Tushino Airfield-standing at one end, you can’t even see the other; it stretches beyond the horizon. Even still, the best estimates - 500,000.
@@AntonShmerkin As I recall 500k is where they stopped counting. Based on aerial footage the estimated attendance was 1.6 million. Whatever, I was twelve living in a neighbouring country. Either way that's more than Maidan square.
Oh, come on. This thing with Zelensky and the anti-Semitism is so lame! Ask Zelensky how he feels when he lays wreaths at the monument to Bandera - the Nazi who brutally murdered thousands of Jews, and today a national hero of Ukraine? And I will emphasize again that the countries of Eastern Europe never wanted to be members of NATO. A handful of people wanted it, under the dictates of the United States. No one asked the people about this issue, because they knew what the answer would be. We, Eastern Europeans, were never afraid of Russia in the 90s. And today we are not afraid of Putin, on the contrary, he is the only statesman on the global stage whom we respect.
Never idolize another human being!
My personal affinity for Winston Churchill, is an empirical example..
I still think Churchill is an exemplar of bravery, and intellect, however, he is not the savior of 'the good guys' that I once believed.
The narratives that we are all told to believe without question, are rife with human infallability, and potential for malice/self service.
31:25 : about NATO and its missiles being a existential threat to Russia: the US bragged about a first strike capability against Russia!
Another important thing to say in favor of the thesis that Russia is really concerned about this threat (and does not want NATO to get out of Ukraine because it intends to invade it) is that Russia was OK with Ukraine joining the UE, which would have given it the "protection" of NATO.
This fcckin' interviewer😂. Mr. Horton has the patience of a monk.
lmao noam gets apoplectic when tucker says the word "ratlike", but can barely stifle a yawn when scott brings up literal neo natzis militias in uktraine. Something tells me he's not actually all that worried about antisemitism
“The idea of a neutral Ukraine is no longer meaningful…” -meaning the neutrality was meaningful before the conflict. The party that demanded for Ukraine to choose a side was the one who instigated the conflict. Simple.
Yes. Russia
@ Explain how Russia demanded Ukraine take sides when they were a union before and mutually disbanded? They both had a Friendship Agreement which EU refused to consider that Ukraine has binding obligations with Russia.
If only Noam was consistent with the standard of truth / accuracy to the folks at NYT or CNN.
Because it’s a GOOD standard if universal - but a recipe for terrible bias if one lets one group fall short and/or only holds ‘dissenters’ to account.
Scott, I really don't know how you can put up with this guy! He´s all but absolutely bulshit!
Polish people are aware that although they're in Nato, at the end of the day they need to count on themselves. If you can count, always count on yourself.
1:34:25 GUESS WHERE THE RUSSIAN SPEAKING JEWS ARE LOACATED?!!!
Body language says alot here. One able to maintain eye contact the other unable to prevent his eyes darting anywhere else but at the camera/screen
This is the gayest thing I've ever read.
@kswindl my comment was obviously about honesty and dishonesty in body language. Your insertion of homosexuality implies you are projecting sir.
@@flickoff1872 Pause - you lookin at men's bodies?
1:34:15 : important to understand: Porochenko's election was not "fair", part of the East was rebelling against the putschist government, whose first legislative act was the abrogation of the Kivalov-Kolesnichenko laws, that gave linguistic rights to the ethnic Russians, and the turnout in the East was very low (30-35%). When you deny democracy to (part of) a people for so long (Yanukovych's first election was cancelled in 2004 after the Western sponsored so-called "Orange Revolution", he was ousted in 2014 in spite of having accepted a new government composed of Maïdan-supported politicians,...), you can expect it renounces. And Yanukovych was the most popular leader for the East, the only one who showed he was capable of winning a national election, and he couldn't represent them anymore.
Democracy is a fragile thing!
Gorton is right we need Peace
20:16 - 20:30 EXACTLY!!! It depends on where you START!! You have to go back to the mid 1500s if you want to understand it. You won’t. Listen to what we are saying.
"Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a fool" - that's true.
Scott is a national treasure, unfortunately I can't espouse as much for Noam. That being said, Noam does at least attempt to be informed on his positions and platforms valuable voices in spite of not ideologically aligning with them and humor their arguments in relatively good faith. He reminds me a lot of Piers Morgan for better or worse, although he's insufferable when he gets so histrionic regarding any criticism of jewish influence. I **want** to like the guy as he seems well intentioned but he makes it rather challenging.
Wow, did I really get Scott’s argument right (around 55-56min), that ethnic solidarity and perceived persecution of your ethnic group is valid basis to interfere in another nations affairs - up to military invasion. I’ve heard this before from people arguing for the moscow point of view (never for western point of view).
Scott's the man.
See if you can host a discussion between Benny Morris, Ilan Pappe, and Avi Shlaim, the living new historians.
That would be epic
So is the argument that NGO’s had all these people on their payrolls? Till this day, the Ukrainians seem rather surprised to hear this.
Would the million people you could get out on the streets of Washington DC be representative of Americans as a whole?
So the million in Kiev that supported Maidan mean nothing as far as its real popularity.
Slava Ukraine
Where's the Burisma oil connection?
Why are UK and Shell interested in the region?
European countries want cheap Russian oil, gas, LNG, we don't want them to get it from Russia.
In my onion the guy that is asking Scott do not know anything about the coup in 2014, those who protest were paid to protest.
If you invite a knowledgeable and informed guest with well-documented facts, at least be kind and don't subject him to countless interruptions.
Nothing bothers me more than illogical jumping around when theyre losing an argument.
At around 1:33:00 Scott references J6, saying "what if this went on for months and it was funded by the Russians or Chinese".
The host's counter argument- you know who would agree with you? Tucker Carlson. You know he said that whole thing was an inside job and that's crazy, I saw j6 and thats just-
Instead of responding to what Scott argued, the host basically says. "So you basically believe the same thing as this nutjob" and then diverts to a completely different subject.
I think the Germans would have prevailed on Western Front after knocking Russia out of the war and getting all the massive benefits (in terms of food and production) of Brest Litovsk
V. Nuland's "fuck the EU" part of her conversation with Piett. Isn't it a reason enough to be sure that the talk wasn't about discussing agreement with Yanukovitch?
50:49 Well China is already in Mexico building up their cities and their ports so..
Scott Horton dwarfs Noam intellectually. Watching this interview is like watching Mike Tyson fight my mother in law
37:10 WTF!??! Greenwald says what Scott and myself say when asked about why any of this matters and how did it all start? We can track it all back!!! Shit even Dave Smith!!! No no! You need to learn the true history of what has happened!! You don’t even know where to start, I’ve explained where several times now and you still won’t figure it out!! B
I think that the Ukraine situation is sad, dangerous situation that could really rearrange the world if we are not thoughtful in our moves and counter moves. Ukraine deserves freedom but that old saying says it best "you're enemy also has a vote" so I don't see a clear, or easy path either way, I see a lot of fighting either way
Ukraine gonna get theur freedom .. from west and usa
Scott Horton educates a lamen....
Lamen learns nothing... garbage
And muting your host's comments is quite a garbage foundation...
Noam is dumb.
Lots of cognitive dissonance
Disingenuous beyond believe
1:30:02 man… they were all killed!!! Who do you think went first to fight?!!!
"No War, No Holocaust"? 22:30 WTF are you talking about, Scott?
This comedian Horton is so funny.
Need proof, when the other truth hits you squarely in your face.... interruptions orchestrated so your team can pump your side videos, clips..... destruction tactics galoure.
I had to laugh at the "proof" part. Visit the websites of the biggest NGOs in Georgia and they show it there that they are funded by the West and their talking points is completely in line what the Western politicians are saying.
But somehow, they have NOTHING TO DO with the protests. A country that staged a shit ton of coups all around the world WOULD NEVER USE SOFT POWER TO TOPPLE GOVERNMENTS.
I mean... Holy fuck... Thats beyond delusional.
Why not have on Victoria Nuland? Clear up some claims
Noam invokes Kissinger to prove his point. How pathetic and scary and telling is that?!
Noam is not telling the truth, because Katchanovski said in the Nonzero interview that Maidan was false flag operation, so Noam just cherry picking one quote is really dishonest.
Scott, please talk with rubio.
Watch it Scott, Hillary throwing the weight of her gigantic stomach around joining forces with Vicki's gigantic stomach would be no match for you pal !!!
I’m not sure what litigating the causes of WWII has to do with Ukraine/Russia now, but whatever. I’m a decently bright person, and I don’t understand either the “no wwii, no hcaust” argument, which so many actual historians (as opposed to Pat Buchanan) have rebutted, nor the point in arguing it.
I’m afraid we’re missing the forest for the trees: Why is questioning who the malevolent actors were in WWII and the veracity of the Hcaust part of the _current_ zeitgeist? What is going on culturally?
Well, as for the Hcaust thing, I have a hunch. People are starting to question whether it really happened because the jewish state of Israel for the past almost 80 years has been doing to other people what was allegedly done to them during WWII. They have occupied palestinian territories for 57 years, thrown palestinians into ghettos (just like jews in Poland), treated them as second-class citizens in their own land, forcibly sterilized ethiopian immigrants (or "strongly suggested that they sterilize themselves," as israeli media reported), among other things comparable to what the germans did. Plus, in many countries, even questioning the veracity of the Hcaust is severely punished. Just to be clear, I believe the Hcaust happened and that it was an abomination against humanity, but the jews themselves, especially the israelis, are not helping their case.
@ Can you explain where there are ghettos and how they’re treated as second class citizens? I’m also confused about the Ethiopian sterilization stuff. It doesn’t really make sense. Why would Izzz airlift them home and then sterilize them? They could have just left them in Africa. My understanding is that there was zero evidence for any state-run sterilization program, but that it was likely _some_ women didn’t fully understand what they were being given.
@@joge2468 Just look at how plestinians are treated in Israeli-occupied west bank cities like Hebron and Bethlehem. While jewish settlers are free to roam the occupied west bank without any hindrance, palestinians are forbidden from walking, driving, and opening businesses on certain streets, there are gated communities exclusively for jews, palestinians have to pass through numerous IDF checkpoints, and are often arrested at these checkpoints, expelled from their own lands by jewish settlers, etc.
@@joge2468 Regarding forced sterilizations of immigrants, there is evidence that israeli clinics forced ethiopian immigrants to take contraceptives, and this is evidenced, among other things, by the rapid decline in the birth rate of these immigrants. Why would Israel do this? I don't know, maybe for the same reason the germans did it to them? They learned from the best.
The h-cost was at the end of the war . When Germany was getting pounded by the allies. So the argument was that it wouldn't have happened if the war didn't happen , seeing as how it happened at the back end of a war in which they were being soundly defeated.
Waht narrative? What story? What the devil are you talking about? Scott Horton in his book sets forth facts!
Good show
Dude this guy is as hard headed as it gets. Just won't be convinced of anything against what he already believes, it's infuriating to listen to
Dishonest Interview - Every Single Time
This man brought on a medical doctor who saw bullets in the heads of kids in Gaza and tried to tell him he was making things up.
He is not a good person
There's a difference between speaking logically vs. Not having any evidence for what he says about why people do things (psychology) when you HAve no evidence and are swept away by actual experts' just so stories-he is a lot of just stories hot air.
100% correct on timelines. It’s just 20/20 hindsight. You choose the events that you can argue are causally related to those that follow.
True Appeasement has never been tried!
Gotta love Scott - "what the fuck Noam you're just gonna play clips of other people and expect me to answer for them!?.... and also I do agree with everything they said and their audiences make up 99.9% of my book sales so Candace and Tucker if you're listening to this please read my book... But yeah so bad faith Noam jeez"
You’re a comedy club I don’t wanna see this shit from you, post stand up. It’s literally your business
American CIA financed production:
Jan 6
Go Scott. 39 mins in.
Clown show!
Never heard of this podcast or the host, and his name isn't listed anywhere. I've followed Scott forever and he cleans this guy's clock as usual and expected.
But whoever this host is, he reveals that he is on an email basis with Robert Reich. That should be all anyone needs to know about his opinions or insights.
But of course, Reich wouldn't dare to go toe to toe with any of the libertarian giants like Horton on foreign policy and FOR SURE refuses to face up to any of the ACTUAL economists from the Austrian school.
And if this host's go-to source for consult on any topic is the likes of Reich, I can see why I've never heard of him. He thought he was going to get in a jab. Waste of breath.
It's hard to discuss a very specific topic if one keeps using hypothetical scenarios or similes. Stop trying to make comparisons to fictions.
39:08 - 👍
incredibly annoying host on this. Interupting all the way. (and a guy said: )And almost like this guy is Nulands good guy ?
Scott Horton is a walking encyclopedia of knowledge
Scott Horton, greatest sophist of his age