I always level magnet crafting first while I'm leveling to 100, usually max it out just before 100 then start the next gear piece. 1/10 chance of an omega magnet saves a freak ton of trouble in early endgame.
I made a whole document trying to get every profiency to max in a creative world and it costs about 670 crafts to get to 100% (master artisan is at 640~). To me that's well worth it in the end game. Especially now when it's just some gold, netherite ingots and vault alloy. So that's 670 netherite ingots, 670 gold and 6k alloy, all of which you should have amassed while getting to level 100 EASILY per catogory. But all that to get 11% Omegas and 100% epics? That's insanely powerful if you wanna get multiple builds going and min max each of them. Aside, what else are you gonna do with vault scrap and gold at level 100?
Absolutely that! If you spend a few vaults focusing ornate chests, you'll also get a stupid amount of vault ingots and that's going to set you up for a while!
The thing that gets me, is that me and my group are SUPER casual players. Been playing once a week for over a year, still sub-lvl 50 kind of casual. Yes, I know that's absurdly slow.. We are busy people. But we are often left wanting to replace one or two specific pieces of gear as we level, so just craft it right? Doesn't need to be amazing, just enough to keep us alive until we find good stuff naturally, right? Wrong. As it stands, we'd need to spend all our gathered resources leveling up proficiency in that one type of gear just to try and get something other than scrappy... Because current level scrappy gear, at least to our experience so far, doesn't replace rare gear thats ten levels old and about to break. Not great. So crafting, an interesting system with great potential, is utterly useless until you hit high enough levels to have an arbitrarily large amount of resources.. At which point you need to spend hours making junk just to start rolling gear that might be helpful, or might fill some niche? What point is there to the grind at that point? Anyways, rambling aside.. I wish crafting was balanced in such a way that it could be useful in early levels by giving access to usable gear at a reasonable resource cost, so that you can build those proficiencies in a meaningful way over time, instead of just encouraging you to binge through it all at once in the late game. As it stands, there's no way we're going to have enough resources to get anything other than scrappy or common gear from crafting until the mid-late game.. (lvl 60') at which point you progress in difficulty slower anyway, thus giving you access to more usable gear.. Idk, just seems counter productive to me.
I definitely feel that. As I was saying to iskall, it basically feels like a later game mechanic but we get access to it super early. That being said though, as soon as you can hit apprentice, you start getting a lot of crazy gear so just stick with it 😊
Excellent video. I really loved the analysis on legendary modifiers. Definitely makes sense to not worry about them unless I care about min/maxing, which in my case I don't.
Yeah you'd be so surprised how many people think legendary modifiers make or break the game but they're actually great to have but as you say, only for min-maxers 😊
Tbh I'm such a sucker for crafting systems in games. I played hundreds of hours of riders of icarus, just because I liked their potion crafting mechanics 😅
I really like the concept, however I am a hoarder. I don't like to spend things that don't need to be spent, especially if it is a valuable resource like gold which can be used for almost anything else. Despite this, I'll give it a shot on my new sp world to give it a fair test, and hopefully get over my fear of spending.
You mentioned in your video something about mekanism being able to get more out of the scraps of netherite we get, could you go into more detail on that? Searching JEI didn't really come up with anything.
Sure thing, if you look at "dirty netherite", you'll see that it can be crushed, washed etc using different create machines. Dejojo has a very good 5x mekanism processing video that would be good to look at. I think netherite can only hit 3x but the concept still works 😊
@@Hellfirem4geOic I did see that it could be crushed but that was ancient debris and not scraps. Edit: You kinda gave me the impression you could infinite loop netherite with mekanism, which is where my curiosity came from but I think that was just me read into what you said too much.
Does Vault Hunter have any way to avoid farming days and weeks just to be able to fill up the entry crystals? That's what really kept me from crafting.. I had so spend more time gathering stuff to be able to do one vault run, than the vault run took itself.
So there's been a lot of balance changes where early game crystals barely need any resources and they are super common stuff. As time goes on, they will get harder and you'll need to build farms but you'll have mods to help with those 😊 you can also set the crystal cost scaling when you first load it up too so that they're even easier
@@Hellfirem4gethe problem I’m having with vaultars atm is that I’m getting stuff like slime balls where it’s just not reasonable to have a farm for early game
@qwart22 Just go to a swamp at night. And as for biomes that aren't close by, re-roll the bounty table for elytra and use dash to travel quickly. Alternatively, you can not sleep for a few days and get phantoms to spawn. Then you can craft elytra without needing to go to the end dimension at all early game.
Here is the problem with crafting gear, you already touched on the legendary modifier, which fair enough at low levels yeah you wont really get legendary modifiers that you will really use, but later levels even level 30 or 50 it is just better to get the gear from the vault, i would be more inclined to craft gear if they changed the forge, for example if i want to craft 20 chestplates i have to open the forge click the chest plate then click craft then click and drag the item out of the output slot ( makes no sense to me why there is an output slot, this is not a furnace you cant just put a hopper under it, so lose the stupid output slot xD just make it go directly into the inventory ) then i have to click chestplate again and then do that 20 times. It would be SOOOOO much better if 1. it put the item directly into the players inventory when you pressed the craft button 2. if it would remember the last thing you crafted ( until you close the forge ) 3. if you could hold shift and press the craft button and it would either craft as much as it has materials for OR until you have no more inv space left. also i HATE that repair cores are now in the loot pool, it has basically turned painite and vault scrap into a dead item i use 0 of them
Yeah I agree that the forge is an absolute pain and I have no idea why you can't hopper in and out of it. It made it so painful to make this video 😅 the truth is though, you should be looking for amazing gear in the vault, but if you don't find it, you should 100% be smelting that gear down and crafting more for that extra chance of omega gear. As you said, there's no other use for painte or the vault scrap so other than a small amount of gold, there's basically no downside to it
I think most people would say magnets as they seem to have great buffs and get used up quickly. I like doing swords for more damage control but focus/wand is very good too
good lord the prices for crafting have increased with the new change, makes it feel even less worth doing. The vault forge needs a more satisfying ui, and that new chromatic steel cost is painful, 18 chromatic steel for 1 piece of gear!
@@PiggyKillerQ Not last I checked on my server. Did they update that in a recent patch? Mine still says 2 chromatic iron. 2 chromatic steel is absolutely mental. I hope that's not the recipe.
@@PiggyKillerQ Just saw the new recipe. I actually like that recipe much better. You can target loot wooden and ornate for carbon and stockpile up. I don't think the Netherite scrap was common enough before. But now you can actually focus on gear crafting even easier. Chromatic steel isn't that expensive late game. I can get around 180 in a chill run with some catalysts easily. So you can level up a tier in 1-2 vault runs. I think this will make me craft gear even more.
Crafting is definitely the way to go for mid game and rounding out your end game builds while you search for those missing legendary modifiers to truly min-max a build. Very early game (below 20) you're better off saving the resources and just rolling the armor you loot as it gets out leveled so insanely quickly at those levels and late game it's worth trying for those legendary (and in the future, unique) modifiers, but for that middle game that leads into end game, crafting can make it significantly easier put together to some really nice builds to get you to the final min-maxed end game build. As for what I craft, pretty much everything I can, probably sword, boots and chest first for the damage, speed and armor modifiers. I'm a theorycrafter by nature (in gaming) so I love trying out different builds, so I craft everything I can, as much as I can.
Oh yeah for sure, super early game is a completely different beast for sure! It was really interesting talking to the community about crafting because there was such a resistance to even try it, and I was kinda shocked how opposed people were to crafting. There's definitely a place for it, but I do think the UI needs changing to more accurately reflect what you're unlocking
Even then, build some crushing wheels to double your iron 😊 my base was overflowing with it from create contraptions and that was in the very early game 😊
It definitely seems like that, but the numbers don't work out like that. 1 armour breaks into (on average) 6 scrap. You need 36 scrap per armour craft, so 6 armour breaks down into 1 craft. That means to craft 15, you only need to find 90 scrappy armour pieces. If you only rely on armour from completion crates and never loot an ornate chest, that's only 30 vault runs. (60 if you don't use any painite, but as I said in the video, armour crafting is the only use for it really). Realistically you should be finding 1-3 armour pieces in the vault per run even in the early level, so that would double the speed 😊
@Paangu there's a lot of ways to get netherite. Factory rooms have a bunch, if you focus on ornate chests you can get a lot and it's super common from bounties
I always level magnet crafting first while I'm leveling to 100, usually max it out just before 100 then start the next gear piece. 1/10 chance of an omega magnet saves a freak ton of trouble in early endgame.
Yeah magnets are fantastic. I personally go for swords becuse I like hitting things 😅
Magnet cost magnetite not the same alloy as armor though
I made a whole document trying to get every profiency to max in a creative world and it costs about 670 crafts to get to 100% (master artisan is at 640~). To me that's well worth it in the end game. Especially now when it's just some gold, netherite ingots and vault alloy. So that's 670 netherite ingots, 670 gold and 6k alloy, all of which you should have amassed while getting to level 100 EASILY per catogory. But all that to get 11% Omegas and 100% epics? That's insanely powerful if you wanna get multiple builds going and min max each of them.
Aside, what else are you gonna do with vault scrap and gold at level 100?
Absolutely that! If you spend a few vaults focusing ornate chests, you'll also get a stupid amount of vault ingots and that's going to set you up for a while!
@@Hellfirem4geAnd you'll get a lot of gear, most of which you will turn into vault scrap anyways.
Agree not only are legendaries rare but they get out leveled very quickly. Definitely going to start crafting gear.
Absolutely! At level 100 it makes sense to go for them but up until that point it's kinda strange to fixate on them!
The thing that gets me, is that me and my group are SUPER casual players. Been playing once a week for over a year, still sub-lvl 50 kind of casual. Yes, I know that's absurdly slow.. We are busy people.
But we are often left wanting to replace one or two specific pieces of gear as we level, so just craft it right? Doesn't need to be amazing, just enough to keep us alive until we find good stuff naturally, right?
Wrong. As it stands, we'd need to spend all our gathered resources leveling up proficiency in that one type of gear just to try and get something other than scrappy... Because current level scrappy gear, at least to our experience so far, doesn't replace rare gear thats ten levels old and about to break. Not great.
So crafting, an interesting system with great potential, is utterly useless until you hit high enough levels to have an arbitrarily large amount of resources.. At which point you need to spend hours making junk just to start rolling gear that might be helpful, or might fill some niche? What point is there to the grind at that point?
Anyways, rambling aside.. I wish crafting was balanced in such a way that it could be useful in early levels by giving access to usable gear at a reasonable resource cost, so that you can build those proficiencies in a meaningful way over time, instead of just encouraging you to binge through it all at once in the late game.
As it stands, there's no way we're going to have enough resources to get anything other than scrappy or common gear from crafting until the mid-late game.. (lvl 60') at which point you progress in difficulty slower anyway, thus giving you access to more usable gear.. Idk, just seems counter productive to me.
I definitely feel that. As I was saying to iskall, it basically feels like a later game mechanic but we get access to it super early. That being said though, as soon as you can hit apprentice, you start getting a lot of crazy gear so just stick with it 😊
Wooooo Vault Hunters video!
We're back baby!
@@Hellfirem4geYay! :)
@@Hellfirem4ge we are so barack!
Never thought it would be so good to craft gear so glad you are back in the vaults. Great episode mate.
Thank you 😊 I spent way too long looking at code to figure this stuff out so I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent video. I really loved the analysis on legendary modifiers. Definitely makes sense to not worry about them unless I care about min/maxing, which in my case I don't.
Yeah you'd be so surprised how many people think legendary modifiers make or break the game but they're actually great to have but as you say, only for min-maxers 😊
congrats 10k!
i got 100% on swords recently and my friend got a leg modifier sword (attk damage) that out tiers my swords 😔
But what happens when their sword breaks... 🤔
@@Hellfirem4ge he'll pull another one
He had godly rng
i love vault gear crafting, and will favor crafted gear over found just because it's satisfying. i'm currently working on focus crafting.
Tbh I'm such a sucker for crafting systems in games. I played hundreds of hours of riders of icarus, just because I liked their potion crafting mechanics 😅
I really like the concept, however I am a hoarder. I don't like to spend things that don't need to be spent, especially if it is a valuable resource like gold which can be used for almost anything else. Despite this, I'll give it a shot on my new sp world to give it a fair test, and hopefully get over my fear of spending.
*stares at my 16 double chests of jewels*
Yeah... I get that completely 😅
You mentioned in your video something about mekanism being able to get more out of the scraps of netherite we get, could you go into more detail on that? Searching JEI didn't really come up with anything.
Sure thing, if you look at "dirty netherite", you'll see that it can be crushed, washed etc using different create machines.
Dejojo has a very good 5x mekanism processing video that would be good to look at. I think netherite can only hit 3x but the concept still works 😊
@@Hellfirem4geOic I did see that it could be crushed but that was ancient debris and not scraps. Edit: You kinda gave me the impression you could infinite loop netherite with mekanism, which is where my curiosity came from but I think that was just me read into what you said too much.
Does Vault Hunter have any way to avoid farming days and weeks just to be able to fill up the entry crystals?
That's what really kept me from crafting.. I had so spend more time gathering stuff to be able to do one vault run, than the vault run took itself.
So there's been a lot of balance changes where early game crystals barely need any resources and they are super common stuff. As time goes on, they will get harder and you'll need to build farms but you'll have mods to help with those 😊 you can also set the crystal cost scaling when you first load it up too so that they're even easier
@@Hellfirem4gethe problem I’m having with vaultars atm is that I’m getting stuff like slime balls where it’s just not reasonable to have a farm for early game
@@Hellfirem4ge That sounds great. I will give it another try after VH4 release!
@@qwart22 For me it was Spore Blossoms with no Lush Cave found anywhere near my base. While I personally do not enjoy caving in the first place.
@qwart22 Just go to a swamp at night. And as for biomes that aren't close by, re-roll the bounty table for elytra and use dash to travel quickly.
Alternatively, you can not sleep for a few days and get phantoms to spawn. Then you can craft elytra without needing to go to the end dimension at all early game.
On what vault hunter level do you advice people to use this? Do you think it could be good starting this at arnd Lvl 20?
I would start it as soon as possible 😊
Here is the problem with crafting gear, you already touched on the legendary modifier, which fair enough at low levels yeah you wont really get legendary modifiers that you will really use, but later levels even level 30 or 50 it is just better to get the gear from the vault, i would be more inclined to craft gear if they changed the forge, for example if i want to craft 20 chestplates i have to open the forge click the chest plate then click craft then click and drag the item out of the output slot ( makes no sense to me why there is an output slot, this is not a furnace you cant just put a hopper under it, so lose the stupid output slot xD just make it go directly into the inventory ) then i have to click chestplate again and then do that 20 times. It would be SOOOOO much better if 1. it put the item directly into the players inventory when you pressed the craft button 2. if it would remember the last thing you crafted ( until you close the forge ) 3. if you could hold shift and press the craft button and it would either craft as much as it has materials for OR until you have no more inv space left. also i HATE that repair cores are now in the loot pool, it has basically turned painite and vault scrap into a dead item i use 0 of them
Yeah I agree that the forge is an absolute pain and I have no idea why you can't hopper in and out of it. It made it so painful to make this video 😅 the truth is though, you should be looking for amazing gear in the vault, but if you don't find it, you should 100% be smelting that gear down and crafting more for that extra chance of omega gear. As you said, there's no other use for painte or the vault scrap so other than a small amount of gold, there's basically no downside to it
Any recommendations on what to level up first in crafting? Currently at level 35 and highest is 2% in chestplate
I think most people would say magnets as they seem to have great buffs and get used up quickly. I like doing swords for more damage control but focus/wand is very good too
@@Hellfirem4ge thanks!
good lord the prices for crafting have increased with the new change, makes it feel even less worth doing. The vault forge needs a more satisfying ui, and that new chromatic steel cost is painful, 18 chromatic steel for 1 piece of gear!
You mean chromatic iron? But yeah, either way it does seem way too expensive now. 18 netherite scrap for a single craft is pretty rough.
@@phtevenstevin4625 No, I mean chromatic steel. It takes 2 chromatic steel for each vaulterite ingot, and it takes 9 of them to make one gear piece.
@@PiggyKillerQ Not last I checked on my server. Did they update that in a recent patch? Mine still says 2 chromatic iron. 2 chromatic steel is absolutely mental. I hope that's not the recipe.
@@PiggyKillerQ Just saw the new recipe. I actually like that recipe much better. You can target loot wooden and ornate for carbon and stockpile up. I don't think the Netherite scrap was common enough before. But now you can actually focus on gear crafting even easier.
Chromatic steel isn't that expensive late game. I can get around 180 in a chill run with some catalysts easily. So you can level up a tier in 1-2 vault runs. I think this will make me craft gear even more.
Crafting is definitely the way to go for mid game and rounding out your end game builds while you search for those missing legendary modifiers to truly min-max a build.
Very early game (below 20) you're better off saving the resources and just rolling the armor you loot as it gets out leveled so insanely quickly at those levels and late game it's worth trying for those legendary (and in the future, unique) modifiers, but for that middle game that leads into end game, crafting can make it significantly easier put together to some really nice builds to get you to the final min-maxed end game build.
As for what I craft, pretty much everything I can, probably sword, boots and chest first for the damage, speed and armor modifiers.
I'm a theorycrafter by nature (in gaming) so I love trying out different builds, so I craft everything I can, as much as I can.
Oh yeah for sure, super early game is a completely different beast for sure! It was really interesting talking to the community about crafting because there was such a resistance to even try it, and I was kinda shocked how opposed people were to crafting. There's definitely a place for it, but I do think the UI needs changing to more accurately reflect what you're unlocking
TELL ISKALL TO MAKE A BETTER WAY TO GET CARBON PLEASE (each craft to 100% is about 270,000 carbon)
is this still good for 1.18 vault hunter
Absolutely!
Is this Vault hunters 3rd edition?
Yep 😊
>There should be no reason you don't have a bunch of chromatic iron
Unless you're like me and like to build a lot of Create contraptions...
Even then, build some crushing wheels to double your iron 😊 my base was overflowing with it from create contraptions and that was in the very early game 😊
I never craft gear because I never have any gold left 😰
But gold is so easy to get!!!
The problem is cost. You talk about crafting early game, but in the early game crafting 15 pieces of gear is prohibitively expensive.
It definitely seems like that, but the numbers don't work out like that. 1 armour breaks into (on average) 6 scrap. You need 36 scrap per armour craft, so 6 armour breaks down into 1 craft. That means to craft 15, you only need to find 90 scrappy armour pieces. If you only rely on armour from completion crates and never loot an ornate chest, that's only 30 vault runs. (60 if you don't use any painite, but as I said in the video, armour crafting is the only use for it really). Realistically you should be finding 1-3 armour pieces in the vault per run even in the early level, so that would double the speed 😊
Netherite is probably the biggest hurdle in early game crafting, you get very little from gear early on, making each craft vaults apart.
@Paangu there's a lot of ways to get netherite. Factory rooms have a bunch, if you focus on ornate chests you can get a lot and it's super common from bounties
Okay, fine I'll craft gear 😂