Does it bother you that he actually tried to film something meaningful with the camera? On the contrary, it's a good use-case scenario. Is that so bad?
@@JohnsClicks I dont get I have no problem with this at all I just got lost in the video and was invested to see more but when it was over i was like wait this is a camera review and that shows because quality looking back is really good but this could have been shot on a potato and it would still be good.
I think it was awesome 👏 He test the camera a real world situations. Plus, it was super interesting 🧐 the topic. Then give his opinion of his experience 👏
Johnnie's camera reviews are never mere camera reviews. Go back and check out any of Cinema5D's past reviews. They are all fantastic. You always forget you're watching a review. It's a great way to prove the camera. In this case though, the extra commentary seems necessary because apparently he could've been made an even better short film without the overheating issue.
I think he wanted bus all to see that he used this camera in a real world use to tell a story and in the end it was not good. He's saying this has all the bells and whistles but if it's not reliable and cant work in a professional interment it's not a good tool or fit for the everyday professional Videographer.
wow. first; I really liked the short doc, even without some lost moments you couldnt record. I was completely sucked into the story here. too bad about the performance of the r6, these honest real-life experiences/reviews are to us consumers very appreciated. nice work and better luck with the next camera(s) !
I'm glad you didn't simply point the camera at a wall and timed how long it took to overheat. You literally went out and filmed a mini doc, amazing! What's unfortunate is that the R5 seems to have the same exact issues except when using Pixel Binned 4k...at that point I see no reason in paying $4000 for it (if you're a videographer). You can find many cameras on the market with pixel binned 4k at half the price.
As bad as I want that camera i know i will deeply regret it because of the over heating. I cant imagine being at a paid shoot and having to wait because of the overheating problem. Hell no. Or missing a key moment at an event shoot. And theres been a video done on editing the footage and 99% of computers cant handle the footage well because of its codec. It handles 12k footage from the black magic better.
Hugh, I forgot to ask: While I know this isn't the usual ecosystem you play in, are you planning on grabbing one of these cameras to check out? Would love to see your real world thoughts on these cameras.
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions The fact that you bash Canon for overheating cameras, but give Sony a pass shows that you have absolutely no credibility what so ever. I commend channels that show the shortcomings of cameras regardless of brand. The information presented in this video is important information for anybody who wants to buy this camera for video productions, but why do you give Sony a pass? Canon is at least honest enough to let people know the limitations of this camera before they spend their hard-earned money. Sony tries to hide their problems. But yet you are a fanboy of this dishonest company. Disgraceful.
@@stevepa999 have you even watched Three Blind Men videos...they hardly ever talk about sony or Canon. In fact the only Sony I think they ever use is a 6400 which in fact never overheats...ever. Also all they talk about or compare other cameras too is that pesky 2 year old g9. I"m sure they make just tons of cash pushing a sub 1000 two year old camera. Also the overriding theme in almost every video is basically "create with what you have".
@@Davitor1 Canon gave him the camera to shoot and told him the production model won't be that different. How is that the filmmaker's fault? There is no proof production model wouldn't overheat the same.
@@evitthought9641 Canon has been upfront about the limitations in the recording time as well as the camera giving updated time limit warnings where the filming will end. Which the filmmaker was not upfront about on a pre-production model. So yes all this hype is probably just a tactic on wanting more views with this documentary. PERIOD.
@@Davitor1 pre-production/pre-firmware it fills my heart with pain seeing a professional videographer not being able to use his talents & experience to the fullest because of camera limitations, not to mention the embarrassment in front of a client
The piece you shot was beautiful - a fascinating character, a thought-provoking narrative, told with care and sensitivity. Thank you for sharing this. As to the camera, your experiences are very concerning. I personally had high hopes that the R6 might be a camera I could use. This review is the first objective assessment I’ve seen so far and it definitely gives me pause for thought. I think I will certainly need to hire it first to decide if the problems you discovered are a deal breaker for me. Again thank you for the thought provoking content.
nice short story. thanks for you honest review. 100% when you said “any professional tool that you take to your hands, you want to control it, that’s the essence of a professional working tool. But in this case the camera will control you”.
Thanks for being honest about it's limitations. The footage looked great, but the camera is useless if you can't shoot with it. Here's hoping Sony gets the A7III right tomorrow!
You reminded me why I like your channel. Because I want to see real life stories, not just a scroll through menu. A journalistic approach and a taste of life. This gives me convidence that you are obiective, as you are not working în a laboratory and you are not an ambasador for one brand. Thank you!
I guess it's more of a stills camera that's also useful if you occasionally want to record video with it, rather than something you can rely on for mainly video work. That's too bad
Dp review just added r5 and r6 studio comparation, the cameras are better than any Canon past offer, but still not a match for the BSI sensors, so if taking photography only, they aren't the best options
@@tesha199 or even better, but an actual video camera that doesn't overheat there are plenty of them, sometimes we forget that this are photo cameras with video capabilities, I'm afraid we will be watching an ERROR 80 situation very often with the r5 and r6
@@kevins8575 I mean, it's just not the tool that people thought it would be when the specs were first announced. It was marketed as a hybrid camera that is strong in video, and it turns out that it's probably not useful for most kinds of video work unless you are willing to use the low quality 4k mode.
Despite all the challenges that you've been through during the shoot, man I have to say, this documentary was exceptional. It is probably one of the best Camera reviews out there. Cheers mate.
Extremely valuable review. Lovely documentary. A dialogue from the movie *The Ghost and The Darkness (1996): "Never take a new gun that you have not used to a battlefield".*
"you can't really work with the camera and execute what you want".. I don't think this camera (or the R5) is meant to be a professional tool for videos. I think is meant to take short videos but it is mainly a photo camera. I mean, look at the size of this cameras!.. if you want videos, there are plenty of professional cameras out there that won't overheat.
Agreed, I wouldn't shoot a long form project on this, I'd use a c200/300 which is designed for that. This is going to be a great second camera / RUclips monster.. Add in the photo skills it has and it'll be amazing at what it does... Lots of people out there at the moment trying to use it for projects I don't see it designed for and then complaining when it doesn't meet expectations.
Thankyou. The R6 might be more useable as a stills tool. But it's great that for videographers, Canon offers 4K tools such as the EOS C300 Mark III or the XA40. Like the old lesson says - use the right tool for the job.
@@darkcggaming For cameras I prefer that 2/3 of a video is video using the camera. (I'm not a photographer). For me there is no better review style. The 1/3 where he made it clear that it is not a good choice for professional videographers is counter balanced by the fact that even in his frustration he was able to make a beautiful product. If you don't have a production schedule and are not doing documentaries maybe you can squeeze your life into bursts a few minutes long to get amazings clips. To me we have a balanced review here. Everyone lies. The mfr, the youtube video codec, the camera operator, you even lie to yourself. The picture tells the story best of all and then you can make up your own mind over multiple viewing whether you want to rent one and see for yourself if it works for you. These darn cameras are the price of a used civic. Add in the glass for any system and you are invested to the price of a new civic. I'm not excited by the workflow that would be required by this camera. I love the technology showcase but it would be pretty much unusable for my use cases. ... But damn it takes great pictures. If I were a photographer and I want short video clips maybe I would consider this (If I was rich). If I were a videographer and I owned a couple of c500's (If I was rich) I might consider this for b-roll where I can capture something short and impromptu. But I am not rich and I don't own a couple of c500's, nor could I justify this as a B camera in any situation... And I'm not even a proper "photographer". I like video and while I love the video on this camera. My camera goes on for long interviews and technical demos and this can't do that. Not even at a price that makes sense.
It is just the pre production model and the software in it is not finalised, there are reviews of the pre production model saying that it ‘overheats’ without the camera being really hot, instead it might just be the software’ s protection system kicking in too early, which can be solved by software update. I think we all have to wait for reviews of the production model and see if the camera actually overheats or just the protection system thinks that it is overheating
I wish so badly that this could've happened, because it would have been so amazing. The S1 and S1H are such great cameras otherwise, but the unusable autofocus is such a bummer. Everything else about them is so strong.
@@SketchTurnerZero its not about truths. He used a camera that is not designed to record 4k all the time , to record 4k all the time and then he complained about. Also 1/2 of the video is his mini documentary which is interestingin one hand but has nothing to do with filmamking on the other. And people came to see this video because they care about the camera not the travel of a British guy to find himself through the Japanese diet.
@@tsoupakis he can do whatever he want. If you don't like it, you can just not to watch it. It's that's easy. And he didn't say that the camera is bad.
Giannis Tsoupakis many people want the R5 and 6 for hybrid and he’s indicating the the video side will not work we’ll even in simple 4K so it is an important bit of data.
@@glennparker8247 I do not want to offend your professionalism. but having passed 60 years of cinematography, I have the feeling that a good Autofocus system can be a significant help for many of us less "professionals" ...
Professional cinematic documentary filmmakers LOVES AUTOFOCUS. Its another tool that can be utilized if usable. Those who hate it are pretentious pricks.
Hahaha, I thought the same thing, but with 4x cameras. Each operator has a small ice chest strapped to their shoulders to hold the standby bodies. You can also invert a can of dust off and spray the sensor. Did anyone think to try that?
When a manufacturer informs you that a camera will overheat after 20 minutes usage, at an average temp of 23C, you know it's time to run the other way! Sorry Canon, but I'm not coming back to you this year. You packed a great camera with amazing features including the kitchen sink (I thought Christmas had arrived), sadly they aren't usable in the real world. Great stills camera, that's it. Now Sony, let's see what surprises (hopefully good) you have for us...
For such a nice video, you deserve a nice comment! What I liked the most is that you took the camera that was given to you and actually made a really appealing short documentary with it, instead - like many others - film your back yard or take photos of a brick wall. So well done. I think your verdict was quite fair. If the camera it's meant to take video but it doesn't when you need it to, there is improvement needed. I have a lot of respect for Sonys engineers now and what they achieved with there cameras.
Hmmm... so it does what they said it would. It wasn't very clear in the "Review", but are you suggesting that it didn't meet their guidance, or are you saying it didn't meet your needs?
Ummm didnt you hear when he said even in 1080p it overheated??? 4k i understand but fhd 1080p thT IS RETARDED, i live in jamaica and that means this camera is inoperable in this country where temperature gets really high
@@yanicmb ... Yes it overheated from 4K/60p and THEN it looks like he tried to downgrade, but it was already too late. The heat soak is already there. It doesn't cool down while you go to 1080. AGAIN, what is he trying to say.... it overheats and takes a long time to cool down? Canon went out of their way to tell people that. They TOLD YOU what you can do and at what temps it can be done. So when someone goes on a job tries to push the limits and then gets mad it doesn't go past the limit, I'm left dumbfounded on what they were thinking. Sorry if I come off harsh, but... the limits are real. Don't buy this camera and expect it to do something the makers SAYS it can't. As for you and others in warm climates, this is not the video camera for you. Go buy a Sony, I hear those are great with overheating.... or better yet buy an actual video camera, not a stills camera.
Mike Jackson yeah i get that, i guess most persons are dumbfounded that for a camera st this pricepoint it would have these issues. And yeah the sony A7s3 looks amazing, but im gonna stick with my Panasonic g9 :)
I am grateful for this real world hands-on review Johnnie! It does raise a few questions about using this camera for travel photography. I am tired of all the fake reviews citing specs only, I wanted to hear an honest opinion and this certainly is one! Keep the reviews coming, this is great work! Also, love the documentary, beautifully edited.
wow. thanks for your insight. its amazing how problems on set can shape your view. I'll never forget being a DIT on set in the early days of the RED ONE and the anxiety of that camera overheating on big budget shoots. although that company has come a long way I still dont hold them in the highest regards to this day.
Great honest video and review. Thank you. My needs are specific and an EOS R may be all I need, even now, with all the cool stuff coming out this coming Tuesday... Cheers
Ok, but we need to know more detailed information. How many minutes can you use continuously? What resolution from problems? so it is too generic and vague.
Christopher It is not enough because reviews are not like that. There are data and technical information. "It turn off several times" is not enough. However, your aggressive attitude amazes me. Do you have any internal frustration man ? 😂
I really appreciate you take the time to actually shoot something worthwhile in a professionally setting to get a real feel for the camera, unlike other RUclipsrs that film their mates walking in slow-motion or on a one wheel for b-roll and call it the best camera ever (whilst showing off their Tesla). Thanks Cinema5D. The Documentary was fantastic too.
You did a good job, considering how frustrating it must of been.. Might be a good camera for winter in the UK? I don't buy new, will see how the secondhand market goes.
Sad as this is for shooting long term continuously, I still think this camera has plenty of good to come of it, just based on the type of user you are. I do mainly run and gun on shots where there is usually ample time between recordings that the camera has time to cool down. I used the eos r6 on a day trip the other day and it performed great with no noticeable overheating. So please understand your style of shooting before calling this camera "unusable"
Seriously considering moving from Nikon and selling all my lenses when the R5 and R6 were released. Glad I didn’t, my two z6s never overheat. Looking forward to the z6s.
@@RonaldReidJr Nikon cameras work all the time and have no bogus, hype features. Ex-Canon/Sony (stills/video). Love being able to use Z6 for both stills and videos with no hassle and no failures. Check the gradual organic looking highlight rolloff vs blown highlights with Sony.
@@uncoy I agree, but all you have to do is expose the sensor correctly, and of course any company can make a stable camera when "Playing it safe" but when you are trying to push the needle and take risk thats when problems can arrive. Anyway I preordered the Sony A7SIII I am sold on the 15 stops of Dynamic Rang + Low Light its basically like my RED but in a smaller body. Ill keep my Canon 6D MARK II for photography.
@@RonaldReidJr The Sony A7S III is a capable video tool, that's certain (although I'm not a fan of the grades I've seen so far: Sony cameras tend to produce results less than the sum of their parts). Unfortunate Ronald, having to maintain two sets of lenses, three sets of batteries. I remember the pain. How nice to just have equipment which works. In a few months or six months, Nikon will offer its users a video Z camera. I can wait: we've all waited three to eight years for 4K 60p (and internal RAW for that matter).
I appreciate your honest review. I have an EOS R and did not put it in the dry box and left it at my studio. It had been 2 weeks since the covid-19 lockdown in my country, I headed off to my studio, turned the camera on, and it was broken immediately. Sent it to Canon and they say it has been "water damaged" and to fix it, I had to pay 50% of what it was worth brand new. Strangely, the 85mm F1.2 version 2 which is attached to it, and the laptop beneath it, and the 6DM2 body, beside it, has not. I have been shooting with Canon since the 5DM3 and since owned several other cameras and tons of lenses, even the C series cameras. I was thinking of selling off all my mirrorless Canon and just take the jump to Sony mirrorless. Only to keep the C series cameras since I already own tons of lenses for it already and they have a different purpose anyways.
Appreciate the honest feedback but you don't mention how many minutes you were shooting before it overheated, either in the video or in your web article review. You also don't mention how long it took before it returned to a working state. Can you share some of these details so we who are viewing this review can get som hard facts? Without the facts, I'm afraid, the review doesn't tell me much, especially since this was made on a pre-production model. Keep up the good work!
I think the point is that such times vary greatly. I do not think that a production set is a place you could take a thermometer and measure and a stopwatch and time it, etc etc. Having said that, still that camera feels like a winner, just not for continuous video work.
@@chcomes the clip can time it for you. If you're keeping track of what's shot when, and when you encounter the issue, it'd be pretty easy to pull up the raw file, see how long you were able to record for, and what all your settings were.
He says she shot 4k 24 FPS and 1080p still got overheat issue. Canon officially says there is no time limit for these modes. He didn't say how long he could shoot uninterrupted in these modes. I don't think there is any DSLR or mirrorless that can shoot 4k for hours without getting overheat. Why do someone shoot continuous that long?
Came here wanting to leave negative comment on your video; but I found myself so impressed with the quality of your documentary. Clean, stable and beautiful footages. Wonderful storytelling. Thumbs up. Back to the overheating issue, this is quite a surprise because your experience is very different from others shooting in 4k 30fps. Guess we’ll see clearer picture in the coming days.
I think the only way Canon could get around this over heating issue is to lower down the video recording bit rate, right now which is at the level of cine cameras, or use less of weather proofing and make it on par with the Sony's weather proofing of the A7S Mkiii.
Thanks for a brilliant video and some honest thoughts. I guess you have established the R6 is probably not the best choice for longer documentary work... I think something like C200 better for such situations, with a smaller mirrorless body on hand for the more 'portable' moments... On the plus side the footage looked really beautiful and clean with very nice colour. Well done.
Jerren Grimes fucking dope dude I’m a traveling videographer and I use Sony and this thing will be a game changer for me. Purely video centric for sure
Before i bought xt30, i never knew it can only shot 10m 4k25p. I watch tonnes of camera reviews online, but they never tell this weakness or just lightly mention. please keep on the good work.
Shame there was no mention of how much time it took to overheat, how long were the clips etc. Also surprised as a pro not testing the camera before the job. Lovely short clip but the rest is useless.
He stated that in the article comments. Mostly short clips with some longer interviews "Lots of short clips (Up to 20 seconds) and a few up to 9 minutes “long” interview clips. Nothing “too crazy”…." He reviews cameras by using review samples on small low-risk projects, unlike the tech-focused reviewers RUclips is littered with. See his review of the Fuji X-T4 for when the camera actually works as expected. Heck, his barbership film done with the tiny Sony RX100 IV shows how these cameras can work if not crippled by heat.
@@KikujiroChan real pro here, real pro there I love using such "unprofessional" cameras I bought everything out of those videos that come out of these mirrorless, my apartment, my Tesla, my food. Also, I think a C300 would be quite endangered if you're on an ONG documentary group
Hi Johnnie, I completely forgot about the camera while watching your film which is the whole point of film making. It's the work you achieve with a camera that's important and this was such an engaging and beautifully shot/edited piece. Made me really hungry! However, just as you say, if the film maker has to fight the tool to make the work and you miss shots because of it then that's really important to know. What works so well about this type of review is it doesn't need to talk about specs or how long you can shoot in this or that mode, it just says, to produce a film like this with this camera caused these problems. Because I make this type of work that's all I need to know. Incredibly useful - thank you so much.
I think differentiating is key here. It’s not a camera for long recordings at all...it’s a great camera for short clips, which is actually plenty for many other jobs, so “not ready for prime time” depends on the type of video you do.
Great for what king of short clips video? Other reviewers are saying even the R5 overheats when filming short clips. It is sad, because otherwise it would be a great camera
Ready for prime time I would consider able to operate under demands, for example with talent on-set or with action/events where there are no re-takes. If you cannot trust the camera to operate, it is not ready. People can still shoot things that look amazing with something that isn’t ready for prime time, it’s just that they cannot promise to do so when necessary.
If you don't need slow motion, the EM1 Mark II with firmware 3.0 and above is an absolute beast of a camera at DCI 4K 24.00fps. It has amazing low light, now very clean up to ISO 6400 (you can go to iso 2500 and not notice any noise period), very good PDAF (for video now!) and amazing IBIS stabilization (which most of us already know about). They also fixed the weird white balance shift that was found in the older firmware (before 3.0) and the color looks way better now. Also the OMLog400 profile is very easy to work with, it's a flat profile without being too desaturated, so it is good for quick rushes. Just protect highlight in your exposure and you're good to go! And no overheating! The internal 8-bit 4:2:0 is superb at DCI 4K and is very easy to edit in post, it scrubs very smoothly without needing a beastly workstation. And unlike the GH5, the rear LCD screen does not auto dim and it appears to be very bright, I would estimate 1500 nits at its brightest setting! The LCD substrate appears to be closer to the front glass element too, which means what you see on the screen looks sharper and easier to see (don't let the low pixel / dot count fool you!). Some notable cons though: - 29 minute record limit - when connecting to an external monitor and recording internally, if the monitor is shut off or if the battery runs out, the recording will stop. - the preamps are a bit noisy (the Mark III solves this) - no AF sensitivity / speed settings for video (the Mark III has this), but there is responsiveness settings, but is not as detailed as in the Mark III - the face detection box goes away when recording video - when connecting to an external monitor, the rear LCD screen stays on but you lose the touch screen(!) - object tracking isn't great - no AI for tenacious realtime tracking like in the Sony
Well, If Canon is aimed at the video side of the camera they could've removed the weather sealing and added ventilation for passive cooling, it would definitely help to last longer.
@@SketchTurnerZero they did aim for the video side of things that's why the photo specs are basically the same across both bodies. the video specs are the big separators
Thanks again for another fantastic and honest video. This is exactly the type of footage that I've been waiting to see from the R6 (which I've pre-ordered). Question for you - do you think its possible to correct (or drastically reduce) the overheating issue in a firmware update, or do you think that this is 100% a hardware issue?
VFX Todd I only do some side project for video but it still take me 2 hours to produce a 20minutes clip. The Sony A7Siii is so boring but it should work better. 10bit 422 4k60 ,minimal rolling shutter, good low light, unlimited shooting time. This is all I need. Looks like it’s a big challenge to put into a mirrorless body. I hope Sony would just make a S1h.
@@chronocross85 It's too expensive for some working pros who need to shoot with a few bodies. They might eventually get one cinema body, but the R5 and R6 are definitely not reliable as B cameras.
@@AmitZinmanVideo They will be reliable if used within their capability,the Canon instructions have to be followed.Johny told a great story but the R6 wasnt the camera to tell it with.
I read the overheating specs and was thoroughly concerned. What you’re talking about here was exactly what I feared. I want Canon to be great, but this is gonna put Canon in unnecessarily bad light for this generation of cameras. There’s another big brand long awaited full frame camera video centric just around the corner... High hopes for that one.
Why would it put Canon in a bad light when they’re being upfront with the recording limits? Sony was never up front with there overheating and they became #1 in mirror less.
David Ramos Sony brand image was consumer electronics with features over reliability. Expectations of Sony was pretty low when they entered the market. Canons brand image has been consistency and reliability. Anyway, it’s 2020 and Canon still does not have a decent 4K consumer priced exchangeable lens camera. R5, R6, R, RP all missing the mark is a bit sad. With Canon DPAF there is so much potential.
@@randomgeocacher The R5 is able to record 4K30 with unlimited time. But it can also film 8K raw internally and that my friend is major news. Regardless of time constraints.
@Joe Trent So how minutes does the Sony record in 8K raw internally? (crickets) Right now if you placed an order for the R5 you would have to wait till November and if you keep waiting it will probably be in 2021. So do you want to volunteer that information?
@@r.powell2351 They are Canon's Cinema cameras. Many people are decrying the R6 and the R5 because they are not performing well as video cameras. It is important to remember that when the DSLR revolution started with the 5DMKII, it was a photo camera that just so happened to have the capability to capture short video clips for photojournalists, that has not changed with the move to mirrorless. All the DSLR and Mirrorless cameras still have limitations both in hardware and software design as it relates to video because at the end of the day they are not proper video cameras, nor were the designed to be.
Amazing documentary, the image quality is outstanding (besides the overheating problem). I am not sure what can be done by Canon to solve this critical problem, imagine shooting a VERY important video for a client and the body stops filming suddenly (and can't film for half an hour because Canon engineers simply don't have the knowledge how to keep a camera going without overheating). It will make you lose clients at some point. The more I think about it, the more I wonder why Canon did concentrate on 8K video instead of a proper working 1080p (*or even 4K like Sony can do with the A7 series). I hope, within 3-5 years, Canon has the knowledge to make a full frame 4K MILC that can shoot 4K without overheating.
true, but to be fair - as a professional you should not turn up to a paid gig with one camera body/lens etc.. but I see the point. Sounds like typical Sony MILCs* to me. hopefully they iron these issues out.
This is what a real review is, someone in the field using the device for its intended purpose. I can't imagine being in a set worried thinking will the camera stop recording. I think is awesome that Canon is pushing forward, probably it will take a couple of years for anyone to get there.
Now is this is the real stuff we've been waiting to see. The recovery times are an issue for sure. Well done Canon for pushing the limits but the cost against usability is bad at this point.
It’s misleading review, he clearly states he’s using a pre production model. There’s no heat time limit on standard 4k24fps, and who know how what beta version he’s using
This makes me appreciate Panasonic, they absolutely knew what they where doing when they put the fan in the S1H even tho it doesn't do full frame 4K 60.
@@Aviciiz yea then lack of full frame 4K 60p at a 1.5x is ashame , but I think it's a sensor read out and their own processor limitations. But everything else is solid for video
I came for a camera review and completely got lost in your documentary... Your good ... And I also appreciate the honest review... Thank you, just subscribed
I've worked with cameras that overheat before and there are two things I learned (back in the 5Dmk2 days): 1. fans, ice packs, etc... none work, the heat is internal and simply needs to dissipate. 2. Kitchens and other humid places are the worst in terms of making a camera overheat.
What a shame. Really appreciate these videos though, I love the way your reviews show these camera's in a professional setting. It gives a fantastic idea of what is achievable.
There is a firmware upgrade, added 1080@120 and made other mode including IPB in R6. The solution is Get 2 bodies, it is still cheaper than a C series. And there is no other still camera that can out perform the R. It is a pro still camera that can take good video at FHD, 4K@30, capable of short 8K. If you are pro video guy, get a pro video camera.
If you are doing weddings and events on the cheap, use cropped sensor cameras with unlimited record time like the GH5. If you are charging a lot, you should be able to afford a professional dedicated video camera, not a hybrid one.
Bob, size is a HUGE consideration for wedding and events filmmaking, the agility it brings enables one to adapt quickly to all the unpredictability in events similar to most documentary shooting. So these small hybrid cameras were a godsend. And that’s the reason why sony dominated the market. Also the reason why the AP just shifted all their pros to Sony mirrorless cameras, for photo AND VIDEO.
@@geraldbaria I totally understand. It is probably a very smart move for AP. I do not think that either the R5 or R6 will be ready for seasoned Wedding Photographers that rely on dependability for some time. They are pretty amazing in their upgrades but like all things new shouldn't be used in money making environments right now. The GH5 is still the king when it comes to dependability, OIS, unlimited record time, excellent codecs with high bit rates and no overheating, Granted low light and autofocus are its weak points. The Sony cameras have great low light, great autofocus. But can be plagued with banding and overheating and small HDMI ports. Codecs and bit rates are underwhelming. Canon 5d MK IV is very reliable for weddings and events but not mirrorless. The new a7siii will be a 12megapixel camera that will be amazing for video but probably is not a good stills camera. I guess you just need to pick one and stick with it depending on what you need. I love the RF lenses because they are so lightweight and produce amazing quality but I don't do events. Getting a joystick and 2 card slots and losing the multifunction bar and having the focus stacking and animal eye AF are worth the upgrade to me from the EOS R. I was producer on a bunch of launch videos for the Samsung Note One. We had a pretty well known documentarian flim maker and everything was filmed on a few Canon 5d mk IIIs. No one whined or complained about lack of options. They just did the work. There is way too much complaining at at time when most cameras are perfectly capable of amazing output. Sometimes the most creative work is done under huge limitations. It makes you work harder but the end result is better.
@@bobhanuman65 i know priests that wouldnt let me into their church if i lugged in a huge camcorder and tripod. Small cameras are a must in modern wedding videography.
When will companies stop releasing stuff to the market that isn't ready yet just for the sake of being first? It's ridiculous. Thanks for the honest review. Awesome documentary!
Thank you Johnny! Love the story! Two questions, 1. Does the camera also overheat in 120fps/60fps 1080p? 2. Do you know if it's possible to disable Ibis in video mode and if yea will it help with overheating..? Also I just wanted to note that some parts of the video look Abit underexposed to me and IMO the tint is too green. Anyhow great video!
R6 overheats in all 4k modes and framerates. In this video i was left with the impression that while recovering from 4k overheating, even the 1080p wasnt reliable
there is people that live out of these products, and created a market niche that requires this flexibility, lightness and packaging I bought my apartment and car working with these mirrorless camera
Kevin S Did you watch the press conference? Because I did and they clearly did not say it’s just a still camera with 8k thrown in. This is their marketing backfiring on them.
@@ClevelandTerry I was thinking of buying either EOs R5 or R6 as I currently have the EOs R. Very disappointing that CAnon are advertising these because of their great video when they don't understand what people want. I have been trying to use the 6D plus 70D s for video making. The 6D is frankly rubbish and the 70D is very good but the 29 minute max recording time is useless for concerts and the batteries die midway thru a concert. Canon should stop making stills cameras that have video as well if they are going to overheat. Now I am stuffed. Not rich enough to buy overheating cameras so will have yo stick with my EOS R and maybe buy an RP. Canon promised so much but its not looking anywhere near as good as it should be!
It's a very well sealed body and so this is the end result. It would have been better to split the lines like Sony has done, or attend to cooling solutions like what Panasonic has done. Regardless, the R6 looks like a great camera for stills photography and is a very exciting release.
It has nothing to do with the sealing of the body. There are plenty of ways to design around that. It’s a matter of priorities. ( size, specs, shape, cooling solutions etc )
Hoping the overheating is due to this being a pre-production unit. Jordan DPReview had a production R6 and claimed it only over heated after half an hour of 4K 60p 10-bit, 30p mode was fine for longer shooting periods. I guess everyone's experience will be different, since for my BTS work I've been shooting with the A6300 for years with no issues since I only shoot quick takes, but for doc use the R6 doesn't seem like the best option either way.
29°C is also quite warm to be fair. It still stands, that while an interview is one piece and no problems with half an hour might come up, making a documentary with the camera like here seems to be a trial of hindering a because you well exceed this half hour easily when doing B-Roll, main scene and more over the course of a few days. It surely is fine for video, as we see he managed, but it really depends on the type of video you make. Interviews? Yes. Short clips? Sure! Wedding? Maybe less. Documentaries? Doable but tricky.... The key here is, that he wasn't happy and then this camera isn't for him or others that do similar work or have similar workflows. Other people might be fine again. But what I boils down to is, that this cameras, as fine as they are made, are not the golden rule everyone should suddenly follow.
Why are you trying to justify these faulty cameras? Both of you here. Is 29 degrees a bit of hot? Come to Greece and film a wedding, which you say "maybe". Here in Greece the temperature is between 32 and 40 during the summer. Even the latest sony cameras which theoretically don't have an issue, start to warn you (not shutting down) after a 30 minutes recording in 4K. Those canon cameras are faulty units and can be used only in Canada from Peter McKinnon and whoever else canon is paying.
@@Linealo yes it really depends on the work you do. Every camera has a limitation but since my takes don't usually go beyond 4 minutes I think I'll take this same limitation my A6300 already has vs the cropped 4K 60p on the S1H with no AF and weak IBIS
As far dpr is concerned the overheating is almost non-existent. If others did not make noise about it, they would not even talk about it. DPR is very biased in favour of some of the brands. They are keeping mum on it as much as possible.
The video was fantastic and this is one of the few respectful camera reviews I've seen. I will say this - ALL DSLR and Mirror-less cameras that shoot 4k overheat...they just do. These small bodies aren't built for much 4k/8k video. For what they do I think it's amazing and as I keep seeing videos that actually showcase the quality Im in awe. But I'mnot gonna buy the R5 or R6 expecting to shoot all day with it at the same caliber as a RED
I've been hearing (and seeing) the same thing about the R5. It seems that Canon screwed up. While both the R5 and R6 have great features, the overheating issues seem very extreme and too frequent. At least for video, which is the only aspect I'm interested in.
@@Speedzone23 Every camera above the 2000 USD price point is professional. 4K 60p is a professional feature that even very few higher-end hybrid cameras have.
Hi, Johnnie I'm a fan of your work. I see it like this, hybrid systems will by their definition have sacrifices; weight, ergonomics reliability etc. As long as you know the limitations you won't be stung, I think in many ways this cameras video success (for some) is entirely in the hands of whether or not it overheats with an external recorder. If it doesn't overheat you've got a reliable camera for interviews, gigs and conferences mainly from its autofocus and full-frame sensor. You've also got a good B roll camera for slow motion, 4k 60 and 3 axis stabilisation as you don't often shoot for extended periods for these and at a pinch, you can suffer from an external monitor on the hot-shoe. You will also be able to take some very good photos for your clients. This camera is certainly not a run and gun so not really for weddings and fast-moving events unless you intend on an ENG rig which when you price it up and remove the size advantage you might as well go for a sony or canon camcorder like a c200 or sacrifice with a small sensor or poor autofocus (sony a7s iii might cover most grounds but some of us are invested in the ef system and like the colour science). It has the ability to be a good B cam for smaller budget productions when there are only one or two members of the crew if it doesn't overheat with an external recorder.
Great work as always. I loved the image from the camera and the little film. It's refreshing to have an honest review, and by a pro. The line between marketing and review is something that has become very blurred in the camera space as of late. There is a new line of work of people getting flown to events, or being 'ambassadors' gushing about camera gear without pointing out the negatives, but presenting themselves as reviewers. It's... dodgy. It's important for professionals who invest in equipment to have real reviews to highlight the limitations, so thanks, please keep up the good work!
I agree. At this stage of the game, any camera that over heats or has a time limit isn't worth buying. I've been burned the same way by Canon's overheating issues as well. It's to the point now where I will probably never pick up another Canon camera again. Thank you for the honest review.
Very true for video shooters. I still hope some other brand (looking at you Sony and especially Nikon) would take this step into battle as a signal that Canon took a risk and got a reward. Not a good one per se, but suddenly everyone talks about them again and that's important for the brand. No risk, no reward - I wished the other brands would try things aswell, even if it's not ready yet. Some 8K is better than none. But it's also true that limits and overheating in 4K (and apparently even below) is worse than no overheating at all - which is fixable. I personally hope Canon will bring the R5 in a different version with less video features for stills shooters. I believe it would cut off at least 1000$+ if they removed the 8K feature and sold the stills capabilities with basic video functionality. What I am looking for - as a lot of other stills shooters potentially aswell - is a high MP camera with amazing AF (which we got here) at a decent price. In best case the video is decent too, but it does not have to be 8k. Other brands have their Z7, A7R's, S1R etc for that, but Canons only mirrorless high MP is a financial beats where you pay for features a pure photographer will rarely use anyway. What I need is basically a Eos R Mark II or Eos R5,5
@@Linealo I think once H.266 is released, which apparently will cut the 8K file size about 50%, then I think the 8K will be somewhat useful in small doses. And I think this was their plan all along. However, the over heating kind of kills that plan. They added 8K just for bragging rights really. However, you can't really brag about something that is practically useless. I hear ya. I too am looking for a photo camera as I use two BMPCC 4K for my video production work. And while the photo capabilities are amazing, you are paying an Apple type premium for it. I very much doubt that an R Mark II is going to hit the shelves anytime soon. It seems to take Canon a very long time to listen to their customers. Look how long it took to bring back the joystick. Also, if anyone remembers, the EOS R was a huge failure until they added 24fps back in to the camera and gave it away to every RUclips who would praise the camera. So... Only time will tell. Hopefully they will listen.
Thanks so much for this review Johnnie, this is the kind of thing I love seeing on RUclips - not buying into hype and the latest gear but real world use and how that felt. I do not believe your creative tools should limit you like it did in this documentary. Still, despite your many frustrations (I'm sure), I loved the documentary and you did a great job as always. As a side note, the link in the description back to cinema5D is broken!
@@sols9449 Because it didn't overheat (so early) or limited you in a way of not even allowing to capture anything. Sure, it was "worse quality" (not 10bit etc.), but a missed moment is a missed moment. A captured moment in 10bit is better than in 8bit, that's true, but 2 10bit moments and 1 lost 10 bit moment is already a no-go over 3 captured 8bit moments - at least in the (Semi)-professional world. So no, the EOS R isn't better.... In quality, but in consistently performing and being a reliable tool. At least for now: who knows what firmware might do.
With an external recorder, the overheating issue is a non issue, right? I have an Atomos Ninja V so would record to that in ProRes. Would the R6 still overheat?
This video was the nail in the coffin for me. I WAS SO EXCITED at first about the R5. Then I heard about the 8k overheating. So I decided to look into the R6. Maybe the 4k would be better and handle better in 4k with less overheating issue. No. I am now very sad and glad I did not sell my 5d IV and preorder these useless cameras. I've been a Canon shooter for over 20 years but waiting for the perfect camera to come from camera will have me waiting another 20.
his was camera was also pre-production, so maybe the final one will be better, also it would be a good thing to see if external recording helps with the overheating
LTUL exactly, this is completely misleading. He put a review instead of hands on. How can you review a product you don’t have? Total irresponsible for him to put as a review
@@marioslrzn exactly, I warned him that this tactic of negative publicity will get more people to watch his documentary but that he will probably get a cease and desist letter from Canon with his misleading title.
The R5, has its own limits to be fair. But it will shoot non oversampled 4K, without a heat issues. And shoot oversampled APSC mode 4k. ( which I have seen footage of, and its as detailed as the 8k, its amazing)
Easily your beast short doc camera test, so ironic that you had issues with the camera and missed moments. Very sad news that Canon’s excellent creative tools are so flawed, especially since the issues a physical and part of their design.
This is the real world type of review I have been waiting for. How do these cameras perform in the field. I am in no way a Canon basher but it's starting to sound like these 2 cameras are meant for only a certain subset of shooters in very mild environments. That being said it should be interesting to see the Canon fans coming out and trying to bash the Cinema5D folks, some of the most respected folks in this field.
The R5 that is not oversampled from 8k will not overheat with 4k30. As for bashing cinema5D, I have not watched any of their videos, BUT if they gave Sony a pass with their overheating issues that is not a credible channel. If they did mention Sony's overheating issues, then my total respect to them.
like every camera I think yo need to carefully think about your use case. For docs I would uses a BMPCC4k or 6k. For my use case I dont think the filming limit will mater, but im interested to see what Sony comes out with this month.
As per the chart below released by Canon, it does say that the R6 overheats in 5.1K oversampled @ 4K 30 or 24 but there's no mention of a non-oversampled mode. Do you not have the option to select a 4K mode that is not oversampled on the R6?? Unless this is an intended "cripple hammer", it should be an easy firmware update to add that mode to get unlimited recording in 4K without overheating as they provide with the R5. Assuming that non-oversampling is good enough quality for your documentaries. Canon chart: www.imaging-resource.com/manual-update/news/canon-eos-r5-eos-r6-timing-chart-media-alert-july-2020-lg.jpeg
@@carlkim2577 If you shoot in an oversampled 4k mode, and get the camera all hot, then you can't shoot in 1080p because the camera doesn't have a way to get the heat out. He should have picked a pixel bined 4k mode to begin with, then he'd have had no problems. Also, it seems he is not attempting to make clear what he has actually done since we end up watching the entire docu with no real details of what he did or did not do. That one shot shows 4k/25 IPB but we still don't know the history of what he did before getting to that point. That makes a huge difference in that situation. Since you can't get heat out quickly, what you do prior will have a serious impact on what you can do later. It's physics.
@@RogerZoul the other reviews are saying that all forms of 4k overheats. Even my Sony a6400 records in over sampled 4k without time limit or over heating.
@@carlkim2577 I have been trying to watch every review I can find, but I have not found any saying that. I'd appreciate it if you can point me to one. Thanks.
I get that there are limitations, but to be honest, if you are a serious videographer you should have two or three bodies like say a professional wedding or sports photographer. Either that or invest in a dedicated cine camera.
Definitely, even the people is not straight when they are clearly walking upright. Even when they were in the car, can see som of that roilling shutter at the window
Wrong tool for the job. Sealed bodies and high bit rates will have limitations. Canon made that clear. You want to shoot all day you use a cinema camera. The problem is user expectations. You want a small inexpensive camera that defies the laws of physics. I’d like a 25k Lamborghini, but that not going to happen either.
He shot half days as he said. The rest of the day it was overheating. This is a flawed argument because Panasonic released their full frame mirrorless bodies and no overheating issues. Even the S1H comes with a fan. Documentaries like the one shown on this video is about the story and walking around with skeleton crew with a cinema camera rig makes absolutely no sense. Stop defending Canon. They should have added fans into these bodies and it would have been a winner for sure. I appreciate reviews like these because it actually shows the limitations of the camera. Imagine a wedding videographer bought it and it overheats during speeches or ceremony. Majority of people who buy these bodies will use it for Video not just for these Epic Broll montages.
@Mooogamad well said 👍 I asked some wedding Nikon photographers about Z6/Z7 & each one mentioned the 1 card slot issue, there are certain standards that cameras must have for basic events style photography/videography
while that may be true (sony alphas used to overheat even when "just" streaming aka using the hdmi port) - u quickly will get frustrated with the micro hdmi port ;) honestly, even with sdi external recording is kind of a pain in the ass
I doubt that ... maybe making it a bit better. But overall this is really not useable. The problem is not that there is a limited amount of time to record a shot but that it builds up heat to the point where you can't get rid of it and from this point on it's waiting and your workflow on set is done. When shooting with the 80D i had to take many compromises in turms of image qualitiy but i could trust that it works for hours on the set. In the end that is worth more than nice specs but no reliability.
The main thing Canon advertised about the R5 and R6 is that is a self contained system. And remember the one used here isn't the one that shoots RAW, so those temperatures would be even harder to manage.
Great video! I am very excited about it! Why din't you use a backup camera? If you expected the overheating problem with that untested preproduction unit, you should take with you your trusted spare tool.
the story you picked and how you shot this made me feel like i wans't watching a camera review up until i saw you at the end
Does it bother you that he actually tried to film something meaningful with the camera? On the contrary, it's a good use-case scenario. Is that so bad?
@@JohnsClicks I dont get I have no problem with this at all I just got lost in the video and was invested to see more but when it was over i was like wait this is a camera review and that shows because quality looking back is really good but this could have been shot on a potato and it would still be good.
I think it was awesome 👏 He test the camera a real world situations. Plus, it was super interesting 🧐 the topic. Then give his opinion of his experience 👏
Johnnie's camera reviews are never mere camera reviews. Go back and check out any of Cinema5D's past reviews. They are all fantastic. You always forget you're watching a review. It's a great way to prove the camera. In this case though, the extra commentary seems necessary because apparently he could've been made an even better short film without the overheating issue.
I think he wanted bus all to see that he used this camera in a real world use to tell a story and in the end it was not good. He's saying this has all the bells and whistles but if it's not reliable and cant work in a professional interment it's not a good tool or fit for the everyday professional Videographer.
Engaging video. World class video documentary skills. Sad about the Canon.
wow. first; I really liked the short doc, even without some lost moments you couldnt record. I was completely sucked into the story here. too bad about the performance of the r6, these honest real-life experiences/reviews are to us consumers very appreciated. nice work and better luck with the next camera(s) !
I'm glad you didn't simply point the camera at a wall and timed how long it took to overheat. You literally went out and filmed a mini doc, amazing! What's unfortunate is that the R5 seems to have the same exact issues except when using Pixel Binned 4k...at that point I see no reason in paying $4000 for it (if you're a videographer). You can find many cameras on the market with pixel binned 4k at half the price.
As bad as I want that camera i know i will deeply regret it because of the over heating. I cant imagine being at a paid shoot and having to wait because of the overheating problem. Hell no. Or missing a key moment at an event shoot. And theres been a video done on editing the footage and 99% of computers cant handle the footage well because of its codec. It handles 12k footage from the black magic better.
This is the single most important R6 video I have seen thus far. Bravo, my friend.
Very Very True.
Couldn't agree more.
Hugh, I forgot to ask: While I know this isn't the usual ecosystem you play in, are you planning on grabbing one of these cameras to check out? Would love to see your real world thoughts on these cameras.
Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions
The fact that you bash Canon for overheating cameras, but give Sony a pass shows that you have absolutely no credibility what so ever. I commend channels that show the shortcomings of cameras regardless of brand. The information presented in this video is important information for anybody who wants to buy this camera for video productions, but why do you give Sony a pass? Canon is at least honest enough to let people know the limitations of this camera before they spend their hard-earned money. Sony tries to hide their problems. But yet you are a fanboy of this dishonest company. Disgraceful.
@@stevepa999 have you even watched Three Blind Men videos...they hardly ever talk about sony or Canon. In fact the only Sony I think they ever use is a 6400 which in fact never overheats...ever. Also all they talk about or compare other cameras too is that pesky 2 year old g9. I"m sure they make just tons of cash pushing a sub 1000 two year old camera. Also the overriding theme in almost every video is basically "create with what you have".
This is the most honest review anywhere. I have greater respect for you now and thank you. What you filmed was very informative and done well.
How can this be an honest review with a pre-production model? Do you have any respect for proper disclosure?
@@Davitor1 Canon gave him the camera to shoot and told him the production model won't be that different. How is that the filmmaker's fault? There is no proof production model wouldn't overheat the same.
@@evitthought9641 Canon has been upfront about the limitations in the recording time as well as the camera giving updated time limit warnings where the filming will end. Which the filmmaker was not upfront about on a pre-production model. So yes all this hype is probably just a tactic on wanting more views with this documentary. PERIOD.
He says it is a pre prod. Also says it in multiple times in the text version.
@@Davitor1 pre-production/pre-firmware it fills my heart with pain seeing a professional videographer not being able to use his talents & experience to the fullest because of camera limitations, not to mention the embarrassment in front of a client
The piece you shot was beautiful - a fascinating character, a thought-provoking narrative, told with care and sensitivity. Thank you for sharing this.
As to the camera, your experiences are very concerning. I personally had high hopes that the R6 might be a camera I could use. This review is the first objective assessment I’ve seen so far and it definitely gives me pause for thought. I think I will certainly need to hire it first to decide if the problems you discovered are a deal breaker for me. Again thank you for the thought provoking content.
nice short story. thanks for you honest review. 100% when you said “any professional tool that you take to your hands, you want to control it, that’s the essence of a professional working tool. But in this case the camera will control you”.
Thanks for being honest about it's limitations. The footage looked great, but the camera is useless if you can't shoot with it. Here's hoping Sony gets the A7III right tomorrow!
i think they did
They didn't. Sony overheats worse than Canon when shooting outdoors
You reminded me why I like your channel. Because I want to see real life stories, not just a scroll through menu. A journalistic approach and a taste of life. This gives me convidence that you are obiective, as you are not working în a laboratory and you are not an ambasador for one brand. Thank you!
You did showed the most important part of a camera: reliable. You trust a camera or not. Thanks
It overheated in 1080p? How did they get this so wrong? Oh ya... the hammer :)
😂😂😂 its on your left looking at you the whole time! Beware!!!
@Camera Conspiracies I hope you will test both the R5 and R6 soon as well. Especially the R6 since it's cheaper (and on my wishlist).
Nah, hammers bang down. Whereas, this was a f*ck up.
I guess it's more of a stills camera that's also useful if you occasionally want to record video with it, rather than something you can rely on for mainly video work. That's too bad
Dp review just added r5 and r6 studio comparation, the cameras are better than any Canon past offer, but still not a match for the BSI sensors, so if taking photography only, they aren't the best options
@@tesha199 or even better, but an actual video camera that doesn't overheat there are plenty of them, sometimes we forget that this are photo cameras with video capabilities, I'm afraid we will be watching an ERROR 80 situation very often with the r5 and r6
No, that's not bad. Use the right tool.
@@kevins8575 I mean, it's just not the tool that people thought it would be when the specs were first announced. It was marketed as a hybrid camera that is strong in video, and it turns out that it's probably not useful for most kinds of video work unless you are willing to use the low quality 4k mode.
Despite all the challenges that you've been through during the shoot, man I have to say, this documentary was exceptional. It is probably one of the best Camera reviews out there. Cheers mate.
Extremely valuable review. Lovely documentary.
A dialogue from the movie *The Ghost and The Darkness (1996): "Never take a new gun that you have not used to a battlefield".*
He took a knife.
Forgot I was watching a camera review half way thru, beautiful storytelling. Thanks for the review as well, I could sense your frustration.
"you can't really work with the camera and execute what you want".. I don't think this camera (or the R5) is meant to be a professional tool for videos. I think is meant to take short videos but it is mainly a photo camera. I mean, look at the size of this cameras!.. if you want videos, there are plenty of professional cameras out there that won't overheat.
Agreed
Agreed, I wouldn't shoot a long form project on this, I'd use a c200/300 which is designed for that. This is going to be a great second camera / RUclips monster.. Add in the photo skills it has and it'll be amazing at what it does... Lots of people out there at the moment trying to use it for projects I don't see it designed for and then complaining when it doesn't meet expectations.
@@tesha199 I will check that video out, so if the R5 can do it all with an external recorder it would definitely solve lot of problems.
Tesha lol no one wants to do that
Panasonic S1H: Ha-Ha!!! Nice )
Thankyou. The R6 might be more useable as a stills tool. But it's great that for videographers, Canon offers 4K tools such as the EOS C300 Mark III or the XA40. Like the old lesson says - use the right tool for the job.
I'm trying to figure out why anyone would give this a thumbs down . Beautiful video. Excellent honest review.
some camera fans just dont want the honest truth.
@Kevin Savas he can throw it on my camera bag instead
uuuh. eeeeh. Lemme guess: canon fanboys?
@@darkcggaming For cameras I prefer that 2/3 of a video is video using the camera. (I'm not a photographer). For me there is no better review style. The 1/3 where he made it clear that it is not a good choice for professional videographers is counter balanced by the fact that even in his frustration he was able to make a beautiful product. If you don't have a production schedule and are not doing documentaries maybe you can squeeze your life into bursts a few minutes long to get amazings clips. To me we have a balanced review here. Everyone lies. The mfr, the youtube video codec, the camera operator, you even lie to yourself. The picture tells the story best of all and then you can make up your own mind over multiple viewing whether you want to rent one and see for yourself if it works for you. These darn cameras are the price of a used civic. Add in the glass for any system and you are invested to the price of a new civic. I'm not excited by the workflow that would be required by this camera. I love the technology showcase but it would be pretty much unusable for my use cases. ... But damn it takes great pictures. If I were a photographer and I want short video clips maybe I would consider this (If I was rich). If I were a videographer and I owned a couple of c500's (If I was rich) I might consider this for b-roll where I can capture something short and impromptu. But I am not rich and I don't own a couple of c500's, nor could I justify this as a B camera in any situation... And I'm not even a proper "photographer". I like video and while I love the video on this camera. My camera goes on for long interviews and technical demos and this can't do that. Not even at a price that makes sense.
It is just the pre production model and the software in it is not finalised, there are reviews of the pre production model saying that it ‘overheats’ without the camera being really hot, instead it might just be the software’ s protection system kicking in too early, which can be solved by software update. I think we all have to wait for reviews of the production model and see if the camera actually overheats or just the protection system thinks that it is overheating
I think if the S1 could have a good autofocus, it would be the perfect camera
I wish so badly that this could've happened, because it would have been so amazing. The S1 and S1H are such great cameras otherwise, but the unusable autofocus is such a bummer. Everything else about them is so strong.
@@James-xm4ki Yeah.... :'( If they could break the algorithm of Sony's eye tracking xD
@@stephanes. I know!!! lol. That would be so great!
@@James-xm4ki they should hire some Sony's engineers lol
Exactly! and higher fps photos
What’s with all the thumbs downs? This was all pretty matter of fact. Just is what it is. 🤷🏻♂️
People don't like truths
@@SketchTurnerZero its not about truths. He used a camera that is not designed to record 4k all the time , to record 4k all the time and then he complained about. Also 1/2 of the video is his mini documentary which is interestingin one hand but has nothing to do with filmamking on the other. And people came to see this video because they care about the camera not the travel of a British guy to find himself through the Japanese diet.
@@tsoupakis he can do whatever he want. If you don't like it, you can just not to watch it. It's that's easy. And he didn't say that the camera is bad.
Giannis Tsoupakis your ridiculous. Hope that u know that. Have a nice day
Giannis Tsoupakis many people want the R5 and 6 for hybrid and he’s indicating the the video side will not
work we’ll even in simple 4K so it is an important bit of data.
if only black magic makes a camera with decent Auto Focus ... If Only.
We don't want auto focus on cinema cameras
@@glennparker8247 I do not want to offend your professionalism. but having passed 60 years of cinematography, I have the feeling that a good Autofocus system can be a significant help for many of us less "professionals" ...
Professional cinematic documentary filmmakers LOVES AUTOFOCUS. Its another tool that can be utilized if usable. Those who hate it are pretentious pricks.
Gerald Baria idiots everywhere
I agree. That would be so cool for me. I need auto focus
This looks amazing!
omotayo olayemi good question
for how long were you able to shoot using 4k 25p ?
Disappointing the R6 has overheating issues as well. Thank you for this review.
Here's an easy fix: Just buy 5-10 of them and switch them during filming. All you canon haters are just too poor ;)
Hahaha, I thought the same thing, but with 4x cameras. Each operator has a small ice chest strapped to their shoulders to hold the standby bodies.
You can also invert a can of dust off and spray the sensor. Did anyone think to try that?
Brilliant
1 for each prime.
Also dry ice ready for pouring each time the camera is off and waiting.
Tesha no, it also overheats with external recorders
The editing of the doc was amazing. Good job salvaging what you could. Great story and captured really well.
When a manufacturer informs you that a camera will overheat after 20 minutes usage, at an average temp of 23C, you know it's time to run the other way! Sorry Canon, but I'm not coming back to you this year. You packed a great camera with amazing features including the kitchen sink (I thought Christmas had arrived), sadly they aren't usable in the real world. Great stills camera, that's it. Now Sony, let's see what surprises (hopefully good) you have for us...
@9:53 is that a bird making those sounds? 😂 the timing was impeccable, sounded like it was laughing at the statement of how it didn’t work 😂
lol
haha yes
For such a nice video, you deserve a nice comment! What I liked the most is that you took the camera that was given to you and actually made a really appealing short documentary with it, instead - like many others - film your back yard or take photos of a brick wall. So well done. I think your verdict was quite fair. If the camera it's meant to take video but it doesn't when you need it to, there is improvement needed. I have a lot of respect for Sonys engineers now and what they achieved with there cameras.
Great honest review, and brother....I LOVED your documentary. A+++ storytelling my friend.
Hmmm... so it does what they said it would. It wasn't very clear in the "Review", but are you suggesting that it didn't meet their guidance, or are you saying it didn't meet your needs?
Ummm didnt you hear when he said even in 1080p it overheated??? 4k i understand but fhd 1080p thT IS RETARDED, i live in jamaica and that means this camera is inoperable in this country where temperature gets really high
@@yanicmb ... Yes it overheated from 4K/60p and THEN it looks like he tried to downgrade, but it was already too late. The heat soak is already there. It doesn't cool down while you go to 1080. AGAIN, what is he trying to say.... it overheats and takes a long time to cool down? Canon went out of their way to tell people that. They TOLD YOU what you can do and at what temps it can be done. So when someone goes on a job tries to push the limits and then gets mad it doesn't go past the limit, I'm left dumbfounded on what they were thinking. Sorry if I come off harsh, but... the limits are real. Don't buy this camera and expect it to do something the makers SAYS it can't. As for you and others in warm climates, this is not the video camera for you. Go buy a Sony, I hear those are great with overheating.... or better yet buy an actual video camera, not a stills camera.
Mike Jackson yeah i get that, i guess most persons are dumbfounded that for a camera st this pricepoint it would have these issues. And yeah the sony A7s3 looks amazing, but im gonna stick with my Panasonic g9 :)
I am grateful for this real world hands-on review Johnnie! It does raise a few questions about using this camera for travel photography. I am tired of all the fake reviews citing specs only, I wanted to hear an honest opinion and this certainly is one! Keep the reviews coming, this is great work! Also, love the documentary, beautifully edited.
wow. thanks for your insight. its amazing how problems on set can shape your view. I'll never forget being a DIT on set in the early days of the RED ONE and the anxiety of that camera overheating on big budget shoots. although that company has come a long way I still dont hold them in the highest regards to this day.
Great honest video and review. Thank you. My needs are specific and an EOS R may be all I need, even now, with all the cool stuff coming out this coming Tuesday... Cheers
Ok, but we need to know more detailed information. How many minutes can you use continuously? What resolution from problems? so it is too generic and vague.
In 2 half day shoots he lost a lot of shots. If that's not enough info for you, go buy the camera and do your own tests.
Christopher It is not enough because reviews are not like that. There are data and technical information. "It turn off several times" is not enough. However, your aggressive attitude amazes me. Do you have any internal frustration man ? 😂
@@matteoraineri4556 Give the reviewer a break. If you want more, do it yourself.
I really appreciate you take the time to actually shoot something worthwhile in a professionally setting to get a real feel for the camera, unlike other RUclipsrs that film their mates walking in slow-motion or on a one wheel for b-roll and call it the best camera ever (whilst showing off their Tesla). Thanks Cinema5D. The Documentary was fantastic too.
You did a good job, considering how frustrating it must of been.. Might be a good camera for winter in the UK? I don't buy new, will see how the secondhand market goes.
Sad as this is for shooting long term continuously, I still think this camera has plenty of good to come of it, just based on the type of user you are. I do mainly run and gun on shots where there is usually ample time between recordings that the camera has time to cool down. I used the eos r6 on a day trip the other day and it performed great with no noticeable overheating. So please understand your style of shooting before calling this camera "unusable"
Seriously considering moving from Nikon and selling all my lenses when the R5 and R6 were released. Glad I didn’t, my two z6s never overheat. Looking forward to the z6s.
Nikon = no innovation just basic effort
@@RonaldReidJr Nikon cameras work all the time and have no bogus, hype features. Ex-Canon/Sony (stills/video). Love being able to use Z6 for both stills and videos with no hassle and no failures. Check the gradual organic looking highlight rolloff vs blown highlights with Sony.
@@uncoy I agree, but all you have to do is expose the sensor correctly, and of course any company can make a stable camera when "Playing it safe" but when you are trying to push the needle and take risk thats when problems can arrive. Anyway I preordered the Sony A7SIII I am sold on the 15 stops of Dynamic Rang + Low Light its basically like my RED but in a smaller body. Ill keep my Canon 6D MARK II for photography.
@@RonaldReidJr The Sony A7S III is a capable video tool, that's certain (although I'm not a fan of the grades I've seen so far: Sony cameras tend to produce results less than the sum of their parts). Unfortunate Ronald, having to maintain two sets of lenses, three sets of batteries. I remember the pain. How nice to just have equipment which works. In a few months or six months, Nikon will offer its users a video Z camera. I can wait: we've all waited three to eight years for 4K 60p (and internal RAW for that matter).
I appreciate your honest review. I have an EOS R and did not put it in the dry box and left it at my studio. It had been 2 weeks since the covid-19 lockdown in my country, I headed off to my studio, turned the camera on, and it was broken immediately. Sent it to Canon and they say it has been "water damaged" and to fix it, I had to pay 50% of what it was worth brand new. Strangely, the 85mm F1.2 version 2 which is attached to it, and the laptop beneath it, and the 6DM2 body, beside it, has not. I have been shooting with Canon since the 5DM3 and since owned several other cameras and tons of lenses, even the C series cameras. I was thinking of selling off all my mirrorless Canon and just take the jump to Sony mirrorless. Only to keep the C series cameras since I already own tons of lenses for it already and they have a different purpose anyways.
Appreciate the honest feedback but you don't mention how many minutes you were shooting before it overheated, either in the video or in your web article review. You also don't mention how long it took before it returned to a working state. Can you share some of these details so we who are viewing this review can get som hard facts? Without the facts, I'm afraid, the review doesn't tell me much, especially since this was made on a pre-production model. Keep up the good work!
I think the point is that such times vary greatly. I do not think that a production set is a place you could take a thermometer and measure and a stopwatch and time it, etc etc. Having said that, still that camera feels like a winner, just not for continuous video work.
@@chcomes the clip can time it for you. If you're keeping track of what's shot when, and when you encounter the issue, it'd be pretty easy to pull up the raw file, see how long you were able to record for, and what all your settings were.
I think the conclusion here, is that you just don’t know, and in the end as a tool, it’s going to control how you shoot.
He says she shot 4k 24 FPS and 1080p still got overheat issue. Canon officially says there is no time limit for these modes. He didn't say how long he could shoot uninterrupted in these modes. I don't think there is any DSLR or mirrorless that can shoot 4k for hours without getting overheat. Why do someone shoot continuous that long?
Your comment is extremely insulting to the filmmaker, who had to apologise for all the beautiful moments he was unable to capture.
Came here wanting to leave negative comment on your video; but I found myself so impressed with the quality of your documentary. Clean, stable and beautiful footages. Wonderful storytelling. Thumbs up.
Back to the overheating issue, this is quite a surprise because your experience is very different from others shooting in 4k 30fps. Guess we’ll see clearer picture in the coming days.
I'm here just loving my Canon T6i. Many will poo-poo it for not being high end enough but it's been treating me really well.
still have mine
I think the only way Canon could get around this over heating issue is to lower down the video recording bit rate, right now which is at the level of cine cameras, or use less of weather proofing and make it on par with the Sony's weather proofing of the A7S Mkiii.
The documentary is fantastic!
Thanks for a brilliant video and some honest thoughts. I guess you have established the R6 is probably not the best choice for longer documentary work... I think something like C200 better for such situations, with a smaller mirrorless body on hand for the more 'portable' moments... On the plus side the footage looked really beautiful and clean with very nice colour. Well done.
Fantastic documentary, and seems like Canon has done what was expected from them...
Waiting for the A7s III instead!
thoughts on the a7s3 now?
Jerren Grimes fucking dope dude I’m a traveling videographer and I use Sony and this thing will be a game changer for me. Purely video centric for sure
Before i bought xt30, i never knew it can only shot 10m 4k25p.
I watch tonnes of camera reviews online, but they never tell this weakness or just lightly mention.
please keep on the good work.
Good content, deep teaching.
Thank you for cutting through the hype, with your real-life experience with the camera! Much appreciated. And still, beautiful work as always.
Shame there was no mention of how much time it took to overheat, how long were the clips etc.
Also surprised as a pro not testing the camera before the job.
Lovely short clip but the rest is useless.
a real pro would also never use such a camera..it's a DSLM camera. Canon has a cinema cameras like the c200/300 etc.
Yeah, makes you wonder... A pro would have a backup camera or two. Suspicious business here...
He stated that in the article comments.
Mostly short clips with some longer interviews "Lots of short clips (Up to 20 seconds) and a few up to 9 minutes “long” interview clips. Nothing “too crazy”…."
He reviews cameras by using review samples on small low-risk projects, unlike the tech-focused reviewers RUclips is littered with.
See his review of the Fuji X-T4 for when the camera actually works as expected. Heck, his barbership film done with the tiny Sony RX100 IV shows how these cameras can work if not crippled by heat.
@@KikujiroChan real pro here, real pro there
I love using such "unprofessional" cameras
I bought everything out of those videos that come out of these mirrorless, my apartment, my Tesla, my food.
Also, I think a C300 would be quite endangered if you're on an ONG documentary group
Hi Johnnie,
I completely forgot about the camera while watching your film which is the whole point of film making. It's the work you achieve with a camera that's important and this was such an engaging and beautifully shot/edited piece. Made me really hungry! However, just as you say, if the film maker has to fight the tool to make the work and you miss shots because of it then that's really important to know.
What works so well about this type of review is it doesn't need to talk about specs or how long you can shoot in this or that mode, it just says, to produce a film like this with this camera caused these problems. Because I make this type of work that's all I need to know. Incredibly useful - thank you so much.
I think differentiating is key here. It’s not a camera for long recordings at all...it’s a great camera for short clips, which is actually plenty for many other jobs, so “not ready for prime time” depends on the type of video you do.
Fine, but that hasn't been the expectation. If it was, there wouldn't be so many zealots playing shoot-the-messenger.
Yeah but Canon it's been praising the camera as the perfect camera for run and gun, which this mini doc fits right in.
Great for what king of short clips video? Other reviewers are saying even the R5 overheats when filming short clips. It is sad, because otherwise it would be a great camera
Ready for prime time I would consider able to operate under demands, for example with talent on-set or with action/events where there are no re-takes. If you cannot trust the camera to operate, it is not ready. People can still shoot things that look amazing with something that isn’t ready for prime time, it’s just that they cannot promise to do so when necessary.
R5 (4500$) for just small short clips??
If you don't need slow motion, the EM1 Mark II with firmware 3.0 and above is an absolute beast of a camera at DCI 4K 24.00fps. It has amazing low light, now very clean up to ISO 6400 (you can go to iso 2500 and not notice any noise period), very good PDAF (for video now!) and amazing IBIS stabilization (which most of us already know about). They also fixed the weird white balance shift that was found in the older firmware (before 3.0) and the color looks way better now. Also the OMLog400 profile is very easy to work with, it's a flat profile without being too desaturated, so it is good for quick rushes. Just protect highlight in your exposure and you're good to go! And no overheating! The internal 8-bit 4:2:0 is superb at DCI 4K and is very easy to edit in post, it scrubs very smoothly without needing a beastly workstation. And unlike the GH5, the rear LCD screen does not auto dim and it appears to be very bright, I would estimate 1500 nits at its brightest setting! The LCD substrate appears to be closer to the front glass element too, which means what you see on the screen looks sharper and easier to see (don't let the low pixel / dot count fool you!).
Some notable cons though:
- 29 minute record limit
- when connecting to an external monitor and recording internally, if the monitor is shut off or if the battery runs out, the recording will stop.
- the preamps are a bit noisy (the Mark III solves this)
- no AF sensitivity / speed settings for video (the Mark III has this), but there is responsiveness settings, but is not as detailed as in the Mark III
- the face detection box goes away when recording video
- when connecting to an external monitor, the rear LCD screen stays on but you lose the touch screen(!)
- object tracking isn't great
- no AI for tenacious realtime tracking like in the Sony
Well, If Canon is aimed at the video side of the camera they could've removed the weather sealing and added ventilation for passive cooling, it would definitely help to last longer.
Does it has weather sealing? Or it's just "weather sealing"?
@@SketchTurnerZero they did aim for the video side of things that's why the photo specs are basically the same across both bodies. the video specs are the big separators
A body made of something that isn't plastic for the r6 might have helped as well.
Thanks again for another fantastic and honest video. This is exactly the type of footage that I've been waiting to see from the R6 (which I've pre-ordered). Question for you - do you think its possible to correct (or drastically reduce) the overheating issue in a firmware update, or do you think that this is 100% a hardware issue?
I cannot do anything with the overheating stuck in mind. Makes me paranoid. This might cause me to cancel my order of R5. Let's see sony A7Siii first.
I'm waiting to see the A7Siii as well. The overheating issues for the R5 and R6 seem way too problematic for film makers.
VFX Todd I only do some side project for video but it still take me 2 hours to produce a 20minutes clip. The Sony A7Siii is so boring but it should work better. 10bit 422 4k60 ,minimal rolling shutter, good low light, unlimited shooting time. This is all I need. Looks like it’s a big challenge to put into a mirrorless body. I hope Sony would just make a S1h.
just buy a cinema camera problem solved.
@@chronocross85 It's too expensive for some working pros who need to shoot with a few bodies. They might eventually get one cinema body, but the R5 and R6 are definitely not reliable as B cameras.
@@AmitZinmanVideo They will be reliable if used within their capability,the Canon instructions have to be followed.Johny told a great story but the R6 wasnt the camera to tell it with.
The woman featured in this piece was such a sweetie! Thanks for your hard work on this!
I read the overheating specs and was thoroughly concerned. What you’re talking about here was exactly what I feared. I want Canon to be great, but this is gonna put Canon in unnecessarily bad light for this generation of cameras. There’s another big brand long awaited full frame camera video centric just around the corner... High hopes for that one.
Why would it put Canon in a bad light when they’re being upfront with the recording limits? Sony was never up front with there overheating and they became #1 in mirror less.
David Ramos Sony brand image was consumer electronics with features over reliability. Expectations of Sony was pretty low when they entered the market. Canons brand image has been consistency and reliability. Anyway, it’s 2020 and Canon still does not have a decent 4K consumer priced exchangeable lens camera. R5, R6, R, RP all missing the mark is a bit sad. With Canon DPAF there is so much potential.
@@randomgeocacher The R5 is able to record 4K30 with unlimited time. But it can also film 8K raw internally and that my friend is major news. Regardless of time constraints.
@Joe Trent So how minutes does the Sony record in 8K raw internally? (crickets) Right now if you placed an order for the R5 you would have to wait till November and if you keep waiting it will probably be in 2021. So do you want to volunteer that information?
@Joe Trent Err What's compromising about recording 8K Raw internally even if it's one minute?
Video looks great! If you the desire is to film 4K all day without heat restrictions, wouldn't the C200 or C300 have been a better choice?
Who makes the C200 and C300?
@@r.powell2351 They are Canon's Cinema cameras. Many people are decrying the R6 and the R5 because they are not performing well as video cameras. It is important to remember that when the DSLR revolution started with the 5DMKII, it was a photo camera that just so happened to have the capability to capture short video clips for photojournalists, that has not changed with the move to mirrorless. All the DSLR and Mirrorless cameras still have limitations both in hardware and software design as it relates to video because at the end of the day they are not proper video cameras, nor were the designed to be.
apsc 8bit 4k? nah thanks. rather have a A7III
Amazing documentary, the image quality is outstanding (besides the overheating problem). I am not sure what can be done by Canon to solve this critical problem, imagine shooting a VERY important video for a client and the body stops filming suddenly (and can't film for half an hour because Canon engineers simply don't have the knowledge how to keep a camera going without overheating). It will make you lose clients at some point. The more I think about it, the more I wonder why Canon did concentrate on 8K video instead of a proper working 1080p (*or even 4K like Sony can do with the A7 series). I hope, within 3-5 years, Canon has the knowledge to make a full frame 4K MILC that can shoot 4K without overheating.
true, but to be fair - as a professional you should not turn up to a paid gig with one camera body/lens etc.. but I see the point. Sounds like typical Sony MILCs* to me. hopefully they iron these issues out.
This is what a real review is, someone in the field using the device for its intended purpose. I can't imagine being in a set worried thinking will the camera stop recording. I think is awesome that Canon is pushing forward, probably it will take a couple of years for anyone to get there.
Now is this is the real stuff we've been waiting to see. The recovery times are an issue for sure. Well done Canon for pushing the limits but the cost against usability is bad at this point.
It’s misleading review, he clearly states he’s using a pre production model. There’s no heat time limit on standard 4k24fps, and who know how what beta version he’s using
This makes me appreciate Panasonic, they absolutely knew what they where doing when they put the fan in the S1H even tho it doesn't do full frame 4K 60.
@@Aviciiz yea then lack of full frame 4K 60p at a 1.5x is ashame , but I think it's a sensor read out and their own processor limitations. But everything else is solid for video
@@Aviciiz the sh1 is focused on video this is made to be a hybrid shooter
@@semahj The H in S1H stands for hybrid
I came for a camera review and completely got lost in your documentary... Your good ... And I also appreciate the honest review... Thank you, just subscribed
Thank you for this Honest feedback.,.
I've worked with cameras that overheat before and there are two things I learned (back in the 5Dmk2 days): 1. fans, ice packs, etc... none work, the heat is internal and simply needs to dissipate. 2. Kitchens and other humid places are the worst in terms of making a camera overheat.
What a shame.
Really appreciate these videos though, I love the way your reviews show these camera's in a professional setting. It gives a fantastic idea of what is achievable.
There is a firmware upgrade, added 1080@120 and made other mode including IPB in R6.
The solution is Get 2 bodies, it is still cheaper than a C series. And there is no other still camera that can out perform the R.
It is a pro still camera that can take good video at FHD, 4K@30, capable of short 8K.
If you are pro video guy, get a pro video camera.
The solution is to choose a different system.
This is so concerning for wedding and event videographers...not sure if these tools can be used for professional gigs.
If you are doing weddings and events on the cheap, use cropped sensor cameras with unlimited record time like the GH5. If you are charging a lot, you should be able to afford a professional dedicated video camera, not a hybrid one.
Bob, size is a HUGE consideration for wedding and events filmmaking, the agility it brings enables one to adapt quickly to all the unpredictability in events similar to most documentary shooting. So these small hybrid cameras were a godsend. And that’s the reason why sony dominated the market. Also the reason why the AP just shifted all their pros to Sony mirrorless cameras, for photo AND VIDEO.
@@geraldbaria I totally understand. It is probably a very smart move for AP. I do not think that either the R5 or R6 will be ready for seasoned Wedding Photographers that rely on dependability for some time. They are pretty amazing in their upgrades but like all things new shouldn't be used in money making environments right now. The GH5 is still the king when it comes to dependability, OIS, unlimited record time, excellent codecs with high bit rates and no overheating, Granted low light and autofocus are its weak points. The Sony cameras have great low light, great autofocus. But can be plagued with banding and overheating and small HDMI ports. Codecs and bit rates are underwhelming. Canon 5d MK IV is very reliable for weddings and events but not mirrorless. The new a7siii will be a 12megapixel camera that will be amazing for video but probably is not a good stills camera. I guess you just need to pick one and stick with it depending on what you need. I love the RF lenses because they are so lightweight and produce amazing quality but I don't do events. Getting a joystick and 2 card slots and losing the multifunction bar and having the focus stacking and animal eye AF are worth the upgrade to me from the EOS R.
I was producer on a bunch of launch videos for the Samsung Note One. We had a pretty well known documentarian flim maker and everything was filmed on a few Canon 5d mk IIIs. No one whined or complained about lack of options. They just did the work. There is way too much complaining at at time when most cameras are perfectly capable of amazing output. Sometimes the most creative work is done under huge limitations. It makes you work harder but the end result is better.
@@bobhanuman65 i know priests that wouldnt let me into their church if i lugged in a huge camcorder and tripod.
Small cameras are a must in modern wedding videography.
@@cbflazaro In this case I still think the GH5s is the best option.
When will companies stop releasing stuff to the market that isn't ready yet just for the sake of being first? It's ridiculous. Thanks for the honest review. Awesome documentary!
Thank you Johnny! Love the story!
Two questions, 1. Does the camera also overheat in 120fps/60fps 1080p? 2.
Do you know if it's possible to disable Ibis in video mode and if yea will it help with overheating..? Also I just wanted to note that some parts of the video look Abit underexposed to me and IMO the tint is too green. Anyhow great video!
R6 overheats in all 4k modes and framerates. In this video i was left with the impression that while recovering from 4k overheating, even the 1080p wasnt reliable
This is an excellent review! The docu film is excellent too! Well written and well put together, especially the music. Keep it up!
"Doubtful video tool" says the person that fogets its a photo camera first....Kind of like trying to tow a truck with a motorcycle..
Then canon should advertise it as a stills camera. Problem solved.
there is people that live out of these products, and created a market niche that requires this flexibility, lightness and packaging
I bought my apartment and car working with these mirrorless camera
@@ClevelandTerry They do. Have you heard of Canon's cinema line of cameras?
Kevin S Did you watch the press conference? Because I did and they clearly did not say it’s just a still camera with 8k thrown in. This is their marketing backfiring on them.
@@ClevelandTerry I was thinking of buying either EOs R5 or R6 as I currently have the EOs R. Very disappointing that CAnon are advertising these because of their great video when they don't understand what people want. I have been trying to use the 6D plus 70D s for video making. The 6D is frankly rubbish and the 70D is very good but the 29 minute max recording time is useless for concerts and the batteries die midway thru a concert. Canon should stop making stills cameras that have video as well if they are going to overheat. Now I am stuffed. Not rich enough to buy overheating cameras so will have yo stick with my EOS R and maybe buy an RP. Canon promised so much but its not looking anywhere near as good as it should be!
It's a very well sealed body and so this is the end result. It would have been better to split the lines like Sony has done, or attend to cooling solutions like what Panasonic has done.
Regardless, the R6 looks like a great camera for stills photography and is a very exciting release.
It has nothing to do with the sealing of the body. There are plenty of ways to design around that. It’s a matter of priorities. ( size, specs, shape, cooling solutions etc )
Hoping the overheating is due to this being a pre-production unit. Jordan DPReview had a production R6 and claimed it only over heated after half an hour of 4K 60p 10-bit, 30p mode was fine for longer shooting periods. I guess everyone's experience will be different, since for my BTS work I've been shooting with the A6300 for years with no issues since I only shoot quick takes, but for doc use the R6 doesn't seem like the best option either way.
29°C is also quite warm to be fair. It still stands, that while an interview is one piece and no problems with half an hour might come up, making a documentary with the camera like here seems to be a trial of hindering a because you well exceed this half hour easily when doing B-Roll, main scene and more over the course of a few days.
It surely is fine for video, as we see he managed, but it really depends on the type of video you make.
Interviews? Yes. Short clips? Sure!
Wedding? Maybe less. Documentaries? Doable but tricky....
The key here is, that he wasn't happy and then this camera isn't for him or others that do similar work or have similar workflows. Other people might be fine again. But what I boils down to is, that this cameras, as fine as they are made, are not the golden rule everyone should suddenly follow.
Why are you trying to justify these faulty cameras? Both of you here. Is 29 degrees a bit of hot? Come to Greece and film a wedding, which you say "maybe". Here in Greece the temperature is between 32 and 40 during the summer. Even the latest sony cameras which theoretically don't have an issue, start to warn you (not shutting down) after a 30 minutes recording in 4K. Those canon cameras are faulty units and can be used only in Canada from Peter McKinnon and whoever else canon is paying.
@@panoskarachristos I don't film weddings. These cameras do not seem apt to film weddings.
@@Linealo yes it really depends on the work you do. Every camera has a limitation but since my takes don't usually go beyond 4 minutes I think I'll take this same limitation my A6300 already has vs the cropped 4K 60p on the S1H with no AF and weak IBIS
As far dpr is concerned the overheating is almost non-existent. If others did not make noise about it, they would not even talk about it. DPR is very biased in favour of some of the brands. They are keeping mum on it as much as possible.
The video was fantastic and this is one of the few respectful camera reviews I've seen. I will say this - ALL DSLR and Mirror-less cameras that shoot 4k overheat...they just do. These small bodies aren't built for much 4k/8k video. For what they do I think it's amazing and as I keep seeing videos that actually showcase the quality Im in awe. But I'mnot gonna buy the R5 or R6 expecting to shoot all day with it at the same caliber as a RED
I've been hearing (and seeing) the same thing about the R5. It seems that Canon screwed up. While both the R5 and R6 have great features, the overheating issues seem very extreme and too frequent. At least for video, which is the only aspect I'm interested in.
It is a hybrid camera, does a bit of both. It ain't a professional camera. I would suggest Canon C200ii to fit your purposes.
@@Speedzone23 Every camera above the 2000 USD price point is professional. 4K 60p is a professional feature that even very few higher-end hybrid cameras have.
we need r5 footage in 8k ...and skin tones and footage are a wee bit yellow even though your highlights and shadows are better than perfect. IMHO
Hi, Johnnie I'm a fan of your work.
I see it like this, hybrid systems will by their definition have sacrifices; weight, ergonomics reliability etc. As long as you know the limitations you won't be stung, I think in many ways this cameras video success (for some) is entirely in the hands of whether or not it overheats with an external recorder. If it doesn't overheat you've got a reliable camera for interviews, gigs and conferences mainly from its autofocus and full-frame sensor. You've also got a good B roll camera for slow motion, 4k 60 and 3 axis stabilisation as you don't often shoot for extended periods for these and at a pinch, you can suffer from an external monitor on the hot-shoe. You will also be able to take some very good photos for your clients.
This camera is certainly not a run and gun so not really for weddings and fast-moving events unless you intend on an ENG rig which when you price it up and remove the size advantage you might as well go for a sony or canon camcorder like a c200 or sacrifice with a small sensor or poor autofocus (sony a7s iii might cover most grounds but some of us are invested in the ef system and like the colour science). It has the ability to be a good B cam for smaller budget productions when there are only one or two members of the crew if it doesn't overheat with an external recorder.
Great work as always. I loved the image from the camera and the little film. It's refreshing to have an honest review, and by a pro. The line between marketing and review is something that has become very blurred in the camera space as of late. There is a new line of work of people getting flown to events, or being 'ambassadors' gushing about camera gear without pointing out the negatives, but presenting themselves as reviewers. It's... dodgy. It's important for professionals who invest in equipment to have real reviews to highlight the limitations, so thanks, please keep up the good work!
I agree. At this stage of the game, any camera that over heats or has a time limit isn't worth buying. I've been burned the same way by Canon's overheating issues as well. It's to the point now where I will probably never pick up another Canon camera again. Thank you for the honest review.
Very true for video shooters. I still hope some other brand (looking at you Sony and especially Nikon) would take this step into battle as a signal that Canon took a risk and got a reward. Not a good one per se, but suddenly everyone talks about them again and that's important for the brand. No risk, no reward - I wished the other brands would try things aswell, even if it's not ready yet. Some 8K is better than none. But it's also true that limits and overheating in 4K (and apparently even below) is worse than no overheating at all - which is fixable.
I personally hope Canon will bring the R5 in a different version with less video features for stills shooters.
I believe it would cut off at least 1000$+ if they removed the 8K feature and sold the stills capabilities with basic video functionality. What I am looking for - as a lot of other stills shooters potentially aswell - is a high MP camera with amazing AF (which we got here) at a decent price. In best case the video is decent too, but it does not have to be 8k. Other brands have their Z7, A7R's, S1R etc for that, but Canons only mirrorless high MP is a financial beats where you pay for features a pure photographer will rarely use anyway. What I need is basically a Eos R Mark II or Eos R5,5
which is why I got rid of all of my Sony cameras. They are the kings of overheating
@@Linealo I think once H.266 is released, which apparently will cut the 8K file size about 50%, then I think the 8K will be somewhat useful in small doses. And I think this was their plan all along. However, the over heating kind of kills that plan. They added 8K just for bragging rights really. However, you can't really brag about something that is practically useless. I hear ya. I too am looking for a photo camera as I use two BMPCC 4K for my video production work. And while the photo capabilities are amazing, you are paying an Apple type premium for it. I very much doubt that an R Mark II is going to hit the shelves anytime soon. It seems to take Canon a very long time to listen to their customers. Look how long it took to bring back the joystick. Also, if anyone remembers, the EOS R was a huge failure until they added 24fps back in to the camera and gave it away to every RUclips who would praise the camera. So... Only time will tell. Hopefully they will listen.
@@Linealo Video shooters should get a dedicated video camera not a hybrid one.
@@tesha199 Name calling is useless
Thanks so much for this review Johnnie, this is the kind of thing I love seeing on RUclips - not buying into hype and the latest gear but real world use and how that felt. I do not believe your creative tools should limit you like it did in this documentary. Still, despite your many frustrations (I'm sure), I loved the documentary and you did a great job as always. As a side note, the link in the description back to cinema5D is broken!
Canon R5 & 6 only on video is “MESS” I guess I ll stick withb my EOS R and see wat Sony gonna come with next week
How does your Eos R work with 4K
Mine has never overheated. I work with it along side c300mkii and shoot over 100 interviews a year.
George Atanassov wow so why do you think the Eos-R is performing better. Maybe because it has a crop factor? What’s your take.
@@sols9449 Because it didn't overheat (so early) or limited you in a way of not even allowing to capture anything. Sure, it was "worse quality" (not 10bit etc.), but a missed moment is a missed moment. A captured moment in 10bit is better than in 8bit, that's true, but 2 10bit moments and 1 lost 10 bit moment is already a no-go over 3 captured 8bit moments - at least in the (Semi)-professional world.
So no, the EOS R isn't better.... In quality, but in consistently performing and being a reliable tool. At least for now: who knows what firmware might do.
S1H bud! Join the alliance 😂
With an external recorder, the overheating issue is a non issue, right? I have an Atomos Ninja V so would record to that in ProRes. Would the R6 still overheat?
This video was the nail in the coffin for me. I WAS SO EXCITED at first about the R5. Then I heard about the 8k overheating. So I decided to look into the R6. Maybe the 4k would be better and handle better in 4k with less overheating issue. No. I am now very sad and glad I did not sell my 5d IV and preorder these useless cameras. I've been a Canon shooter for over 20 years but waiting for the perfect camera to come from camera will have me waiting another 20.
his was camera was also pre-production, so maybe the final one will be better, also it would be a good thing to see if external recording helps with the overheating
LTUL exactly, this is completely misleading. He put a review instead of hands on. How can you review a product you don’t have? Total irresponsible for him to put as a review
@@marioslrzn exactly, I warned him that this tactic of negative publicity will get more people to watch his documentary but that he will probably get a cease and desist letter from Canon with his misleading title.
The R5, has its own limits to be fair. But it will shoot non oversampled 4K, without a heat issues. And shoot oversampled APSC mode 4k. ( which I have seen footage of, and its as detailed as the 8k, its amazing)
@Andy Burton Solution: Buy. A. Video. Camera.
Thanks for your honest opinion and sharing your personal experience. This is the kind of reviews we need.
Easily your beast short doc camera test, so ironic that you had issues with the camera and missed moments. Very sad news that Canon’s excellent creative tools are so flawed, especially since the issues a physical and part of their design.
I was watching a super-interesting cooking documentary and all of a sudden a guy starts to talk about a camera... ;)
This is the real world type of review I have been waiting for. How do these cameras perform in the field. I am in no way a Canon basher but it's starting to sound like these 2 cameras are meant for only a certain subset of shooters in very mild environments. That being said it should be interesting to see the Canon fans coming out and trying to bash the Cinema5D folks, some of the most respected folks in this field.
The R5 that is not oversampled from 8k will not overheat with 4k30. As for bashing cinema5D, I have not watched any of their videos, BUT if they gave Sony a pass with their overheating issues that is not a credible channel. If they did mention Sony's overheating issues, then my total respect to them.
"certain subset of shooters" - Haha, like PHOTOgraphers, maybe? 😉 What's weirder is video shooters not buying/looking at actual video cameras.
like every camera I think yo need to carefully think about your use case. For docs I would uses a BMPCC4k or 6k. For my use case I dont think the filming limit will mater, but im interested to see what Sony comes out with this month.
As per the chart below released by Canon, it does say that the R6 overheats in 5.1K oversampled @ 4K 30 or 24 but there's no mention of a non-oversampled mode. Do you not have the option to select a 4K mode that is not oversampled on the R6?? Unless this is an intended "cripple hammer", it should be an easy firmware update to add that mode to get unlimited recording in 4K without overheating as they provide with the R5. Assuming that non-oversampling is good enough quality for your documentaries.
Canon chart: www.imaging-resource.com/manual-update/news/canon-eos-r5-eos-r6-timing-chart-media-alert-july-2020-lg.jpeg
He says even 1080p overheated in pretty much the same time.
I definitely hope there is a non over sampling mode.
@@carlkim2577 If you shoot in an oversampled 4k mode, and get the camera all hot, then you can't shoot in 1080p because the camera doesn't have a way to get the heat out. He should have picked a pixel bined 4k mode to begin with, then he'd have had no problems. Also, it seems he is not attempting to make clear what he has actually done since we end up watching the entire docu with no real details of what he did or did not do. That one shot shows 4k/25 IPB but we still don't know the history of what he did before getting to that point. That makes a huge difference in that situation. Since you can't get heat out quickly, what you do prior will have a serious impact on what you can do later. It's physics.
@@RogerZoul the other reviews are saying that all forms of 4k overheats. Even my Sony a6400 records in over sampled 4k without time limit or over heating.
@@carlkim2577 I have been trying to watch every review I can find, but I have not found any saying that. I'd appreciate it if you can point me to one. Thanks.
I get that there are limitations, but to be honest, if you are a serious videographer you should have two or three bodies like say a professional wedding or sports photographer. Either that or invest in a dedicated cine camera.
Is that rolling shutter on 3:32 ?
Yup.
Umm idk I think it's the fence
Definitely, even the people is not straight when they are clearly walking upright. Even when they were in the car, can see som of that roilling shutter at the window
I wish all camera reviews were like this. This is very neat. Great video
Wrong tool for the job. Sealed bodies and high bit rates will have limitations. Canon made that clear. You want to shoot all day you use a cinema camera. The problem is user expectations. You want a small inexpensive camera that defies the laws of physics. I’d like a 25k Lamborghini, but that not going to happen either.
He shot half days as he said. The rest of the day it was overheating. This is a flawed argument because Panasonic released their full frame mirrorless bodies and no overheating issues. Even the S1H comes with a fan. Documentaries like the one shown on this video is about the story and walking around with skeleton crew with a cinema camera rig makes absolutely no sense. Stop defending Canon. They should have added fans into these bodies and it would have been a winner for sure. I appreciate reviews like these because it actually shows the limitations of the camera. Imagine a wedding videographer bought it and it overheats during speeches or ceremony. Majority of people who buy these bodies will use it for Video not just for these Epic Broll montages.
EOS R with a ninja V would have crushed this shoot
@@MichaelDrowley 100%.
I would hardly call installing a fan as "defying the laws of physics."
@Mooogamad well said 👍 I asked some wedding Nikon photographers about Z6/Z7 & each one mentioned the 1 card slot issue, there are certain standards that cameras must have for basic events style photography/videography
So happy you put this out there. So much better than all these other videos that have no real-world experience with the camera.
Intresting, Atomos Ninja V 5 can solve this problem...
while that may be true (sony alphas used to overheat even when "just" streaming aka using the hdmi port) - u quickly will get frustrated with the micro hdmi port ;) honestly, even with sdi external recording is kind of a pain in the ass
I doubt that ... maybe making it a bit better. But overall this is really not useable. The problem is not that there is a limited amount of time to record a shot but that it builds up heat to the point where you can't get rid of it and from this point on it's waiting and your workflow on set is done. When shooting with the 80D i had to take many compromises in turms of image qualitiy but i could trust that it works for hours on the set. In the end that is worth more than nice specs but no reliability.
no it cant. canon said oficially that even not recording, camera will overheat
No can but may.
The main thing Canon advertised about the R5 and R6 is that is a self contained system. And remember the one used here isn't the one that shoots RAW, so those temperatures would be even harder to manage.
Great video! I am very excited about it!
Why din't you use a backup camera? If you expected the overheating problem with that untested preproduction unit, you should take with you your trusted spare tool.
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