Which to buy? Yaesu FTdx-10 or Icom IC-7300 - March 2022 Livestream Excerpt

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  • @davidsradioroom9678
    @davidsradioroom9678 2 года назад +12

    I can't afford either at this time, but after seeing this video, my hypothetical purchase would be the FTdx-10. Great comparison!

  • @johnk8091
    @johnk8091 Год назад +9

    The Sherwood ranking is NOT the holy grail. I have both the FTDX10 and 2 x IC-7300 (among about 12 other HF rigs). Without doubt, the FTDX10 is way better than the 7300 when used in a noisy RF location. But, if you don't live in an RF dense neighborhood, the 7300 is up there. I FAR prefer the UI of the 7300, much easier to use, menus and controls are brilliantly thought out - you can see all meters on the 7300 screen at the same time, only one meter at a time with FTDX10. Waterfall features on the 7300 are much better. Clock - the 7300 you can see the clock on the screen, with the FTDX10 it has a clock but you cannot see it. SD card management on the 7300 is much better. Easier to hook up an amplifier with the 7300 - simple RCA connectors, FTDX10 has a proprietary connector for the amp that I cannot buy in my country. Power out - 7300 can go from 100 watts down to 0.3 watts, FTDX10 can NOT go below 5 watts - important for driving low input transverters, also very important for solid state amplifiers, I get full output with my amp at 3 watts drive - I would overdrive my amp with my FTDX10. Receive current - 7300 draws half the current than my FTDX10 does - important if you go camping and running off batteries. HOWEVER, if you are only a CW operator, and like to operate contests or multi station field days, then the FTDX10 is the only choice - very resilient to front end overloading. FTDX10 is superb on CW, with great filtering and digital noise reduction is great. Receiver - if you are in an RF quiet location, forget Sherwoods ranking, both rigs hear equally as well. BTW Sherwoods ranking is NOT ranked by receiver sensitivity...they are ranked by dynamic range and selectivity. Both rigs have rx sensitivity way, way below the noise floor, so they hear the same when in a quiet location.

    • @InvincibleViolinist
      @InvincibleViolinist Месяц назад

      So it’s the noise reduction that mythe Yaesu better? I live in a sea of QRM.

  • @leonh.ritchie6237
    @leonh.ritchie6237 2 года назад +7

    I have both, they both are wonderful,,,,,,,,the FTdx10 is the best

  • @nutsforjeeps1
    @nutsforjeeps1 2 года назад +4

    Thanks for the great video Michael. I did end up with the Ftdx10 and a MFJ 40m off center fed and have made great contacts.

  • @yeahitsk
    @yeahitsk 2 года назад +6

    I faced this dilemma after earning HF in November (with 991a as well). The radios all look amazing but I went with the IC-7300, I'm having a blast with it, and I definitely don't regret getting it. One advantage of the 7300 to someone starting out is the extensive walk throughs on RUclips that will allow people to jump start learning menus/programming/settings, and spend more time on the air. Pretty much any question you have about it, the detailed answer is on RUclips. I'm sure with time there will be more content out there on the FTDX10 as more people get them.

    • @Ei2iP
      @Ei2iP 2 года назад +2

      Totally agree, folks have even gone from 101MP back to the IC7610, go figure

    • @KX4UL
      @KX4UL Год назад

      @yeahitsk - Good choice going with the IC-7300!

    • @KX4UL
      @KX4UL Год назад

      @@Ei2iP - Exactly! Some people feel more comfortable with the layout of one radio over another. It isn't always the hottest performer that wins out.

  • @k9bob
    @k9bob 2 года назад +6

    The menu and ergonomics of the IC-7300 is leaps and bounds better than the Yaesu FTDX10. The Yaseu wins hands down as it is the better receiver, but I struggle with the menu setting as absoulutely hate the layout of the buttons and controls knobs.

  • @paulhastings3109
    @paulhastings3109 2 года назад +4

    Had my DX10 can't believe how much better the reciver. That is why I got it

  • @K0LWC
    @K0LWC 2 года назад +12

    DX10 has a slightly better receiver, but the 7300 is still the best money you can spend dollar-to-performance on the market. Still recommend the IC-7300.

  • @Ei2iP
    @Ei2iP 2 года назад +3

    To the ordinary Ham Operator not sure if he or she would notice the difference... For the money, buy the 7300 and have money left over for a good antenna.
    Plus the feedback from users who own the 101MP, D, dx10 hate the menus and the effort to make small adjustments to the radio..
    To be clear Rob Sherwood tests are of no interest to the ordinary ham op, and his results are done in a perfect lab environment, so don't judge.
    I have the 7610 and I can work the world, a yaseu is not going to allow me to make any more contacts, what will allow me to make more contacts is antennas.
    Get your antennas, and good quality cable, then get your radio..

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад

      For the most part you are correct. Lab test results are a good indicator of quality. But as we mentioned, all rigs in the top 20 or listed on the Sherwood site are excellent. You really need to sit down in front of a transceiver to see if the controls and ergonomics fit your operating style.

  • @tglenn3121
    @tglenn3121 2 года назад +1

    I bought the 7300 a couple of years ago. Sold it 6 months ago and 'upgraded' to the FTDX-10. And yes, it is an upgrade.
    I think the 'one' upside to the 7300 is that there was an abundance of youtube videos explaining how to set it up for FT8. However, with Yaesu's firmware update, the settings come with that, so very few settings need to be done.
    The 7300 is a good 'starter' radio, but I felt like it was sort of a starter 'toy', whereas the FTDX-10 is a keeper.

  • @pauliedweasel
    @pauliedweasel 4 месяца назад +1

    I wish that Icom would release an updated version of the 7300 with a video out connector for an external display.

  • @jackK5FIT
    @jackK5FIT 2 года назад

    I wanted a 7300 last year but none were available. I did comparisons and finally bought an FTdx-10 and I do not regret it. I love this radio. There is a learning curve with so many settings and there has been a firmware upgrade to address a couple of operating issues. Jack K5FIT

  • @landstormer4884
    @landstormer4884 2 года назад +1

    This has been quite the conversation between ham radio buddies.

  • @deebru8354
    @deebru8354 2 года назад

    Great information guys and I wanted to say a big thank you!
    After reading massive reviews and comparison's between the 7300 and the DX-10, I decided upon the 7300, BUT, a few weeks ago there were no new units available anywhere in the USA!
    Then the price on the DX-10 dropped to $1399 at HRO. I scooped it up immediately! At the time, there was only a $200 price difference between the two.
    I also see that the 7300 is available now for only $1099. I am super happy with my decision because in the last few weeks since purchasing the DX-10, I found more and more comparisons that appear to favor the DX-10 over the 7300:
    1. One generation newer.
    2. Better receive.
    3. Better filters.
    4. Easy to hook up a screen with the DVI plug [super important to me as I am pretty sure I can attach a 32+ inch curved monitor and it will be super easy to read]!
    For me, these pluses sold me even though I may need to use the screen more than the actual buttons due to dials and buttons crammed tight.
    My new FX-10 is still sitting sealed and unopened, new in the box. I have no idea how to set it up.
    I just passed my technician exam two weeks ago and my general I passed two days ago. Going for the Extra next week.
    I have some questions:
    1. Which desk mic do people recommend for the FX-10?
    2. I also purchased the ALINCO
    DM-330MVT to power the FX-10. Will it get the job done?
    3. Any other accessories you might recommend for my new FX-10?
    Thanks for the super informative presentation guys! It helped me a lot.
    Soar

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад +1

      The Yaesu desk mics are excellent and designed to work with their rigs. Otherwise I really like Heil microphones and would certainly recommend one of them. Your Alinco power supply is a good choice and will handily power the rig. As for other accessories, maybe an external tuner. The internal tuner is only good for 3:1 matches and a wide range external tuner will allow you to use different, non resonant, antennas like a G5RV or end-fed random wire.

    • @OhmSteader
      @OhmSteader Год назад

      @hitman.radio30 Likely to be in another language but is changeable by learning a little Japanese. But it was less than $800 on Ebay. Oh!,no warranty either. Just my experience.

  • @K3JRZOnTheAir
    @K3JRZOnTheAir 2 года назад +1

    The FTDX10 is a great radio! I love it!

  • @tackanderson4270
    @tackanderson4270 Месяц назад

    Yaesu is #1 all the way around period! If you want to debate this fact, remember, facts can't be replaced with personal preference nor the feelings of another products owner. Yaesu just wins with their: Filtering, Equalization, Receiving Amp clarity, TX audio & output power, waterfall dynamics, and modulation tone. Etc, etc, etc. I with many, others own both in several models and may be in my shoes when I say, "I must admit however and to remain honest, I do not have the ability nor expertise to discern any differences and those that I can are on accident". So, for me, I am fully happy with either or, but accept the FACT that Yaesu is technically a superior radio.

  • @leericelli_w8rnb202
    @leericelli_w8rnb202 2 года назад +10

    Michael & Joe as a Guy who owed both (notice the past tense), I can say the 7300 is by far (did I say by far?) the better radio to operate. The FTDX10 has a slightly better receiver and the DNR is best in the industry,. HOWEVER, what a difficult radio to operate day in and day out. The knobs and buttons around the VFO knob are way too tight and there is not enough room. (this is Rob Sherwood's complaint too). This radio needed to be the size of the FTDX3000 (3" wider). One is constantly bumping the VFO knob and you are forced to lock it to use the buttons and knobs around it. There are soooooooo many menu items and though many are set and forget, there are simply so many that if you need to re-rest them you have to reread the manual to see where they are. The 7300 is far more intuitive to operate and the enjoyment factor is better. I sold my 6 month old DX10 and kept my 3 year old 7300 and am happier for it. I know you are Yeasu guys, but you need to own one of these so you can set it up and operate it for a while to know of what I speak.

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад +3

      Hence our recommendation to try out both rigs before purchasing. I had some experience with the 7300 before I purchased by FTdx3000 and felt the controls of the 3000 were better laid out. But I will agree with you that the interface is cramped on the FTdx10. That's the same reason why I'm not a fan of the FT991a. All of today's transceivers are so good, that a purchase decision really boils down to user interface experience.

    • @leericelli_w8rnb202
      @leericelli_w8rnb202 2 года назад +3

      @@KB9VBRAntennas Michael the 7300 also has some features like the SWR graphing, PTT auto antenna tune, and quieter relays on CW than the FTDX10. I found the FTDX10 was more aggravating to operate and the 7300 was more enjoyable and has a better "fun" factor. Lee

    • @KX4UL
      @KX4UL Год назад

      @@leericelli_w8rnb202 - I find EXACTLY the same things as you and agree with you 100%!

    • @Loewenherz6183
      @Loewenherz6183 3 месяца назад

      I'm a beginner from Austria and didn't know which one to buy. I like the design of the Yaesu and the receiver is better. But I purchased the 7300 because it's more fun and easier to operate. I purchased the new 60 years anniversary edition with 60m band and it's possible that ICOM also changed some things, maybe a better receiver, who knows. But maybe, when I get better I will also buy the ftdx10. For me it's not a problem to have both. :-) Thank you for your honest comment! I helped me a lot. And sorry if my english is not good. I hope it's possible to understand what I mean. Have a nice time. 73

  • @daveN2MXX
    @daveN2MXX 2 года назад +6

    Serious question: in real life, in an urban or suburban environment where there is QRM, will increased sensitivity really make a big difference? Wouldn't increased sensitivity also increase noise/interference?

    • @davewhite7679
      @davewhite7679 2 года назад +1

      The receivers sensitivity doesn't increase the noise, but yes, man-made RFI is an ever increasing issue that often negates the capabilities of any modern receiver.
      KZ9V

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад +3

      I live in a residential/urban area and the noise floor changes day by day depending on what my neighbors are up to. I've found that a more sensitive receiver does give you a higher S/N ratio which makes the rig's internal filtering more effective. I've had my FT-891 and Ftdx3000 on the bench at the same time and the 3000 can pick stuff out of the noise that the 891 can't.

    • @daveN2MXX
      @daveN2MXX 2 года назад +1

      @@KB9VBRAntennas Good info....thank you!

    • @neoretrophoto9198
      @neoretrophoto9198 2 года назад

      No- you run iPO / attenuation / and much superior DNR - so dx10 is better

  • @incaroads001
    @incaroads001 2 года назад +1

    I took your advice on the yaesu ft 891 as a first radio and you didn't steer me wrong. So now that I'm looking for another radio I think I will probably upgrade to the ftdx10. I hate to sell the 891 but this is the one to have I think.

    • @stahpit1971
      @stahpit1971 2 года назад +1

      Yep until ICOM comes out with the 7301😂

  • @1crazynordlander
    @1crazynordlander 2 года назад +3

    I would get the FTdx-10 but saying that I love my IC-7300 but I wish I had the FTdx-10 now. I have the PTRX-7300 panadapter in my IC7300. It hooks to my SDRPlay RSPdx and with Omnirig in my computer I have a full screen display of the band. I am not sure you can get that with the FTdx-10. Check out the video by TechMinds on his panadapter for his FTdx-10.

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад

      I'll have to check out that panadapter. The SDRPlays are nice, I'm thinking of getting one to give my FTdx3000 a better bandscope.

    • @1crazynordlander
      @1crazynordlander Год назад

      @@KB9VBRAntennas I just ordered a FTDX10 today. I am looking forward to trying it out.

  • @Dennis35793
    @Dennis35793 2 года назад +2

    I am happy with the 7300

  • @KX4UL
    @KX4UL Год назад +2

    Although I am a big Yaesu fan and own several Yaesu radios, I have bought and sold two brand new FTdx10's in the last 18 months. Both times returning to a new IC-7300 like I had before purchasing either of the FTdx10's. I have 30 years' experience with HF rigs and can say that the FTdx10 is indeed a hotter performer than the IC-7300. But unless you are a contester, I don't think all the bells and whistles on the FTdx10 are necessary and worth the extra money. Although not a problem for me I think that all this would only confuse new hams. The buttons on the front panel of the FTdx10 are tiny and positioned around the VFO dial making them near impossible to press without moving the two dials. This annoys me. The IC-7300 front panel layout is so easy to access, and the interface is truly intuitive. I find it much more fun and enjoyable to operate and it's a darn good performer for the average ham. For new hams I would highly recommend the IC-7300 over the FTdx10.

    • @nicke.3011
      @nicke.3011 29 дней назад +1

      Perfect explanation for a newer ham such as I.

  • @59RadioUSA
    @59RadioUSA 2 года назад

    I Just ordered a FTDX-10 on Saturday and it is supposed to be here tomorrow. I have a friend that has one and it is a very nice rig.

  • @marcinmichigan2772
    @marcinmichigan2772 2 года назад +1

    I have both, about 50% cost difference, and the digital filtering alone is worth it. I do prefer the Icom HMI better than the Yaesu's. The Icom also has a very wide front end that makes it near useless (without band pass filters in use) on field day type events. My 2 cents worth adjusted for inflation - de K8MH ** Buy the Yaesu ** The ability to connect an external monitor to the Yaesu - worth about $1 million :)

  • @Blue-Collar-Radio
    @Blue-Collar-Radio 2 года назад

    That is now on my must have list!

  • @Atomshamradio
    @Atomshamradio 2 года назад +1

    I have both they are both great radios👍

  • @JayN4GO
    @JayN4GO 2 года назад

    The dx10 has one of the best receivers I’ve ever had. Great rig for weak signal work and Cw. Now 7300 has the best tx audio for sure.

  • @hamradiowithkevin
    @hamradiowithkevin 2 года назад

    Excellent Topic, those clunky menu systems are the pits. feature demands from all of us are going to bring some innovation. Thanks Michael

  • @forgetyourlife
    @forgetyourlife 2 года назад +2

    Rob Sherwood also said " the DX10 scope is unintuitive and the user control interface is a total mess"

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад

      We mentioned in the video that Yaesu has a history of 'odd' user interfaces and if you have the ability, sit down in front of both rigs and try them out.

    • @forgetyourlife
      @forgetyourlife 2 года назад +1

      @@KB9VBRAntennas I was able to. HRO in Oregon is not far away. I sat and played with the dx10 for an hour. My feelings are about the same. The touch screen is also feels really weak and flexible unlike most touch screens.

  • @hemitj
    @hemitj 2 года назад

    Thank you for doing these videos

  • @xjohn1970
    @xjohn1970 Год назад

    icom 7300 is a old radio. designed in 2014. The Ftdx10 is 5 years newer technology HF Rig. And the Yaesu FTdx 10 is a feature rich HF rig, has more I/O with monitor out and it's ability to separate 2 close signals is 2nd to none. I have both and I can tell you without a doubt the FTdx10 is the clear choice.

  • @dougburrell
    @dougburrell 2 года назад

    The FTDX10 is simply amazing

  • @kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953
    @kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953 2 года назад +2

    Well worth the $$ esp 1300 I spent 1600 😉 hears like no other well maybe the big bro ftdx101 ☺️ 30/40% better hearing over the ftdx991A

  • @radioman6489
    @radioman6489 2 года назад +9

    I heard the FTdx-10 kills the 7300 on receive hands down. You can also hook up a monitor to the FTdx-10.

    • @forgetyourlife
      @forgetyourlife 2 года назад +2

      You can however if you don’t use a real dvi-d monitor you can damage the radio. Yaesu says not to use adapters. Sounds easy until you discover everything is hdmi and a dvi-d monitor is hard to find unless you have one sitting around from 2005.

    • @geod3589
      @geod3589 2 года назад

      @@forgetyourlife My old monitor died and my sister give me her old 22-inch Dell monitor, a DVI type. It stinks.. not sharp, muted colors. I can't believe Yaesu used DVI.

    • @forgetyourlife
      @forgetyourlife 2 года назад

      @@geod3589 yep, it’s pretty dumb. Unfortunately they all are doing it except the new 8000 dollar Elecraft K4. Yeasu however is the 1st to have an issue with adapters.

    • @pauliedweasel
      @pauliedweasel 4 месяца назад

      The no external display connector on the 7300 is my biggest disappointment.

  • @justin9605
    @justin9605 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you.

  • @instafax
    @instafax 2 года назад

    Good show guys!

  • @1crazynordlander
    @1crazynordlander 2 года назад

    Question for your live stream. I have a vanity call sign and I see the old call sign is listed under alias (which I understand) I can even look my info up using my alias. My question is if I had a senior moment and gave my old call sign or alias on the air would the FCC throw me in timeout?

  • @aldewitt9
    @aldewitt9 2 года назад +2

    Love my 7300. Yaesu menus are not logical.

  • @kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953
    @kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953 2 года назад +2

    Hey factor in the savings in torroids and chokes you will need for the SDR icom. The Yaesu will not require same choking the icom does bc of the Dual conversion. Even Smokin Ape has a vid showing all the chokes and torroids he has to clean up his 7300. That’s atleast a 200$ pkg 😉😉

  • @eddycuypers7621
    @eddycuypers7621 2 года назад

    The propagation is not very good yet. A few years from now, one will find very strong signals every 5 Khz. If You are into serious Dxing, buy the Yaesu FTDX10. Strong adjacent signals will overload the front end of the Icom IC7300. Due to this, quite a few people sold there Icom 7300 here in Europe. We have many several kilowatt stations here in the South and East of Europe. If You are an occasional Hf user, buy the Icom. The menu is easier to navigate.

  • @roberttreskin5979
    @roberttreskin5979 2 года назад +2

    Shame on Yaesu for not building into their radios a one way circuit (think diodes)... that would stop voltage from getting back into their DVI-D ports and destoying the DVI-D port on their new radios. I would bet that newer production runs of these Yaesu radios would have a corrected blocking circuit instlalled.
    Also, why not list in your video the HDMI to DVI-D cable/converters that will work with known problem Yaesu radios. This would save problems for Yaesu owners.

  • @rayhill7613
    @rayhill7613 2 года назад

    I keep going back and forth for months. I'm going to HRO next week ..... at this time ftdx10 is the one. 7 3 KN6TUX

  • @Atomshamradio
    @Atomshamradio 2 года назад

    Its opinion yeasu lovers or icom lovers I love both👍💯

  • @markhall3434
    @markhall3434 2 года назад

    Can the Yaesu DX10 run CW Skimmer APP which decodes the entire band?

  • @daveycrockett9447
    @daveycrockett9447 2 года назад +1

    You can not get the 7300 for $1k now. Everything has went up. They are now $1100 after the rebate.

    • @forgetyourlife
      @forgetyourlife 2 года назад

      Is it just me or does it always seem like the only people that know current prices are the ones in the comment section?

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад

      Prices always change. Joe quoted Gigaparts price at the time of recording and the 7300 was $1200 and the FTdx10 was $1400.

    • @forgetyourlife
      @forgetyourlife 2 года назад

      @@KB9VBRAntennas yea, good thing Joe was there. Hi Hi. The Dx10 has been 1399 for about three months. The 7300 increased to 1200 after the new year. Ray Novak announced the increases were coming last December.

  • @falcon16czz
    @falcon16czz 2 года назад +2

    KD0FDF Dave says ICOM7300 😀

  • @OhmSteader
    @OhmSteader 2 года назад

    The IC 7300 I received through Ebay came with a non english menu and manual which makes it not very usable. Any suggestions? Thanks

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад

      You can download a US English manual from the Icom website. From there you should be able to find the steps to change the language of the menus

    • @OhmSteader
      @OhmSteader 2 года назад

      @@KB9VBRAntennas I have done this with no luck there though I have found one other comment on CBRT indicating this is possible. I do not find any info on this in the manual but have not read it all. May have to find a Japanese speaking friend to guide me to that place in the menu. Thanks & will let you know if I find the solution. Be well

    • @OhmSteader
      @OhmSteader 2 года назад

      @@KB9VBRAntennas Thank you for your assistance. I did learn a few Japanese symbols "display, language, english" to be able to recognize where I was in the menu system. When it flipped to english a big smile came on my face. What a good feeling to get that changed. Be well and take care

  • @neoretrophoto9198
    @neoretrophoto9198 2 года назад

    For 400$ more not really a choice - dx10- I own both : cw receive near as good as a ft5000- ssb audio almost as good as Kenwood and better than icom- better flexibility on rx and tx receive. Only problem is I’d now like a 101d

  • @dbailey3024
    @dbailey3024 2 года назад

    What site is the list on please 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад

      Links to Sherwood Engineering are in the video description

  • @TwstedTV
    @TwstedTV 2 года назад

    That website doesn't exist anymore. I tried going to that site on 3 different web browsers and it said it doesn't exist as of 04-27-2022

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад

      I checked today and the page came up, www.sherweng.com/table.html

  • @dave_yeg8596
    @dave_yeg8596 2 года назад

    i'm sure they're both fine but the average guy can't afford them, not only that, if they go wrong how do you fix them?

  • @Atomshamradio
    @Atomshamradio 2 года назад

    HRO HAS THE BETTER DEAL

  • @greg5929
    @greg5929 2 года назад

    Yes yes yes! DX10 rulz

  • @qutips33
    @qutips33 2 года назад +2

    Why doesn't anyone test the ANAN-7000DLE MKII and talk about it maybe a little expensive but it's a super good radio

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад

      That's a good question. Custom or bespoke transceivers can be tough to review because of their limited availability.

    • @PhantomWoIf
      @PhantomWoIf 2 года назад

      anan sdr is made in india

  • @EricFullwood
    @EricFullwood 2 года назад

    The Yaesu is a generation ahead of the 7300.

  • @clems6989
    @clems6989 2 года назад +1

    I think the 7300 is getting old, Icom will soon bring out something to replace it.

    • @KB9VBRAntennas
      @KB9VBRAntennas  2 года назад

      I'm pretty sure you are correct.

    • @geod3589
      @geod3589 2 года назад +1

      I've had my 7300 almost 4 years now. They are so popular I think Icom might run them a few more years.

  • @martyb.995
    @martyb.995 2 года назад +1

    you guys are boreing