As usual, concise and covers all salient points. Especially nice to see that you take the time to learn both radios before doing your videos. Best comparisons on RUclips Bob, 👍 I have had both and tend to agree with you… only area we differ is with spiky display. Yeasu’ s refusal to add averaging is annoying IMHO. . Surely this is just firmware. On the users forum, this has been requested by a lot of users. Always look forward to your Videos Bob
Excellent comparison job One detail: The IC7300 does have a RTTY decoding feature. It doesnt have the cw or psk, but it actually has the rtty one. Just put the mode on rtty, and push menu, and appears the decode option on the screen. 73 and good DX Carlos YV4ABR
I own both of these radios and the plus for the 7300 is that it is much, much more intuitive to operate and the FTDX 10 has a better receiver. however you need to take points off for how tight everything is around the tuning knob. you’re forced to lock the frequency not some of the time but all of the time in order to use the buttons around the tuning knob. Additionally five years newer technology and play with the FTDX 10 versus the 7300. Icom needs to be coming out with the 7310 soon to remain competitive.
The question is: What nitch does Icom have to fill next? Really, they will probably replace the IC-7851 (just discontinued) with a ultra-deluxe SDR radio...but give them 4 years. Their 60th anniversary is coming up.
What the people (aka all the new people) really want is a direct replacement of the ft-857D with all the new whip grease of these new rigs. Portable, powerful, mobile. I don’t want a dedicated person on comm, I want comm with additional capabilities..
Love the comparison, thank you. We often take the rig out on field days, 2amps on received for the FTdx-10 compared with 900mA with the IC-7300 makes a difference for us. Somehow I got used to the screen in the middle with the IC-7300 which I prefer, but this could be because it was the first one I used.
the 7300 is a old 2015 technology. the FT-DX10 is 5 years newer technology. It the more advanced and improved radio. if you buy the SP-30 ext. speaker it matches the Ft-DX10 radio perfect and sit on the left side puts the screen in the middles and make the radio look even more amazing. I sold my old 7300 and used the $650 I got for it towards the FT-DX10 and matching speaker. a way better radio and the FT-DX10 doesn't have the front end over load you get on the IC7300
Really informative comparison Bob and about what I might have expected given the time the 7300 has been on the market. At the end of the day anyone would be happy with either radio. Both manufacturers are at the top of their respective games.
Right. Because we at home cannot build these radios from scratch, I guess we will all have to suffer with the slight imperfections in their designs...ha! Thousands of design decisions went into these radios...built on decades of experience in HF design. They are masterful creations.
@@robertnagy2163That’s so right. I have most of what Icom have ever produced, but I also bought an FTdx 3000. To be fair, the FTdx 3000 is a really, really good rig. If it was the only rig I’d bought, I’d have no cause for complaint. But, I just prefer the way Icom design radios. It doesn’t mean they’re better, they both make quite exceptional radios.
I'm a fairly new ham and I have the 7300, but I definitely like what you've done here. My hf radio (wish) list now has the FTdx-10 on it. Nice job, well done. 73s KE8OPY.
Great shootout Robert, I do Have the IC 7300, started out looking at both(to replace an old but capable IC 751) I was still undecided, when a 7300 came up 1 year old at a great price. I’m not the most comprehensive operator, but the 7300 is very intuitive to use, and has way more to offer than I will ever use, but I’m watching you an all,and learning. 73 de M7PBX.
Another great review, the best from Bob. I think the price difference mentioned was $200; it is more like $400. Not enough features to move me off the great user interface of the 7300/7610 for some increased selectivity. Might be worth it if I were a contester.
It varies.... The 10 was $1399 and the 7300 $1199 the day I posted it.. There is a $100 coupon on the 7300 now. I expect Yaesu to start dropping their price soon. (after the early adopters buy the radio)
Very well done comparison! Thanks Bob! I own both transceivers, among others. The Yaesu FTDX-10 needs careful adjustment of the parametric equalizer to get a decent modulation (with the supplied microphone) whilst the IC-7300 sounds great out of the box. Otherwise the IC-7300 is much more intuitive to operate and I recommend it for beginners. And here in Europe it currently costs about EUR 350 to EUR 400.- less than the FTDX-10 - best transceiver value you get for your money. The Yaesu FTDX-10 has a better receiver which only matters under specific operating conditions but I don't like that the many buttons are so close to the tuning knob and I frequently manage to unintentionally change the frequency. Personally I tend to like the 3D scope but admit that one has to get used to it somehow.
If someone doesn't care for the scope the FT-891 is cheaper again with a much better receiver, filters and audio (with headphones) I listen with headphones mostly anyway. The quieter receiver on the 891 is just so nice to listen to and the contour function adds a lot more clarity to the audio. I found the 7300 audio just too harsh needing NR on all the time which messes with the audio quality. The 891 can be the first receiver while someone saves for a much better radio than the 7300 and then keep the 891 for portable operation or as I do, use it as 2nd radio for SWL in my sitting room connected to the Chameleon MPAS 2.0 and I make some decent DX on it too esp on 20m SSB in the evenings or sometimes I work some PSK31 or Olivia. So nice to have 2 radios sometimes but I really love the 891, very menu driven alright but most settings are set and forget. Can even be computer controlled with flrig which is quite convenient. For a radio with more buttons the FT-450D is another decent cheap radio and looks great in low light conditions. I sold my 7300 and got the sun sdr 2 dx boy what a difference, don't miss the 7300 one bit, the sun has an amazing noise blanker that almost remove all my power line noise that the 7300 didn't reduce in the slightest, the 7300 noise blanker is useless. The remote function on the sun is amazing, no need to be in the shack any more.
I've been ponding about getting FT-DX10 as I've already got the 7300 after seeing this video I will end up getting my self one in January sale in UK. Thanks for the video it helps me a lot to make my mind up.
Your concise, unbiased review helped me to decide to purchase the FTXD10, unfortunatly after my house got flooded the purchase was delayed and now Yaesu is about to release the new FT710, which has thrown a spanner in the works. Unless the 710 is a poor man's version of the 10 I will have to wait and see how the 710 compares, being a full sdr may have drawbacks as I live in an area with a high background noise level.
Well, the 710 IS a poor-mans FTdx-10. The specs are not as good. Tell you what. I want to review the 710 anyhow and may sell off the FTdx-10 I used in the review. Email me when you decide what to do.
@@robertnagy2163 I know your response, "...specs are not as good" was a couple months ago. But so far, MANY reviews are currently pointing at Sherwood's tests as proof the '710 (receiver) is on par with the 'DX10. I'm on the fence between the '7300, '710 and 'DX10, as I'm seriously considering a return to radio [from a 5 year hiatus]. Can't wait for YOUR review of the '710. (I'll surely have ZERO use for the included speaker with the '710--too bad its NOT "OPTIONAL". Keep up the awesome work, Bob!!
@@ikantplae It seems that the only difference would be rejection of nearby signals at 100khz. Everything else is almost identical. The main reason for releasing the 710 is the re-arrangement of the buttons (main complaint on the 10) and the availability of a cheap enough ADC chip so as to be able to market the radio at a competitive price point (making a direct sampling SDR instead of the cheaper mixer design in the 10). I need to order one and get my 10 vs 710 review going. Thing is, I have to eat several hundred bucks to do it and I've been blowing $$ on other stuff!
Very nice comparison video. I really liked it. The Yaesu ticks my of my boxes for what I would need such an radio. I currently have a FT-920, a FTDX-5000D+, a FT-847 for VHF/UHF and a Flex-6600 in my shack but I need something for the boat. The IC-705 seems to be a great radio for me but with only 10 watts I feel very compromised. The 7300 or 10 would work great for me and the thing that I do like about the 7300 that the 10 dont is the ability to store the radio away safely (not getting salt water or falling of a shelf because of a leaning boat) and using it by wifi. This is fully possible with Icoms software called RS-BA1 for about $140. Wish Yaesu had something similar. 73
And the Icom 7300 has run pretty flawlessly for about 8 years now. Lets see how well the Yaesu ft dx 10 does. Theres been some software issues from what some of my friends are seeing.
I followed all the radio youtube posters, but a lot of them are paid by the products they review and there are no comparisons or side by sides. This is the type of review I want. Not the mamby pamby nonsense to push up sales of a product. Slowly unfollowing a lot of well known youtubers. Good work ! Keep the good stuff coming
Thanks. I'm not into flash, or hyperbolic talk. I want to get to the core of the issues. No bias... if it's good, it's good. The FTdx-10 is superior to the 7300....and the 7300 is a great radio.
I have been looking forward to hearing your opinions. I saw on the Facebook group that you have it. I follow all the radio RUclips channels. And yours goes into the most detail. Which is great. It is fantastic how it decodes PSK. I sold my 7300 to get the FTdx10. I have also got the 991a and 7100 and 705.
Hi Bob. Thanks for the excellent presentation. I'm still tending towards IC-7300, and your opinion and final numerical comparison is a very good proof of my ideas. More i/O, external monitor, and PSK/RTTY/CW decode are not important to me. Display greatness/weakness shouldn't be an issue. But all the mentioned advantages of Icom are much more important to me. 73!
Really enjoyed this review. Would love to see the Icom 7310 with some roofing filters. Icom needs to answer the call. Bet something along those lines happens.
Excellent video, descriptive and performance/feature based. I appreciate your willingness to buy these radios, test them and spend the hours making a video analysis for the ham community. Thank you, Bob!
Howdy from Clarksville, AR de W5EN. Nice video and I enjoyed your reviews. I currently own a 7300 and enjoy using it. The external monitor would be a big deal for sure. My eyes aren't getting any younger. 73 and best wishes!
Thanks for breaking down the differences. I've spent some time trying to figure out my next rig purchase - these two are the two main choices on the table at the moment (though I do have a fondness for the look of the IC-7100...). This should give me a bit more to go on - I'm thinking saving up for a little longer and forking out for the FTDX10 might be the better choice... Again - thanks for going through this, it's really helped!
Yaesu make better radios in my opinion of course, and they sound better, Icom just doesn't get good audio. I had the 7300 and ended up having to get the panadapter and airspy hf+ to make the audio decent, I used sdr console and having control over AGC made a huge difference. Completely changed my experience, having a gigantic waterfall also made a huge difference. The audio from the 7300 is just too harsh, I always use headphones and without doubt my Yaesu FT-891 sounds a lot better and doesn't suffer from bleedover nearly as much as the 7300. It's an expensive way to go to get good audio from the 7300 so I would not encourage anyone to get new 7300 + panadapter + decent SDR, it's too expensive but I already had the 7300 and Airspy. I sold the 7300 a couple of months ago for the SUN SDR DX 100 watt radio and it's really amazing, it's something else to think about, a learning curve of course because it's all software but the noise blanker is amazing against the power line noise I occasionally have at my QTH, when pressing the NB on the 7300 and playing with the settings it simply did nothing, basically useless NB on the 7300, the Sun SDR even eliminates the noise from the waterfall. The remote capability of the sun is amazing too, it's as if you are plugged direct into the radio so you really don't have to be in the shack any more apart from to tune the amp or you can get solid state rigs that can be controlled from the SDR but I have the Acom 1000 so when I want more power I got to be in the shack, still being able to use the radio remotely even with 100 watts as good as it is on the sun is amazing. I'm sure the FTDX-10 is an amazing radio, I love yaesu radios and would love the 101 but the SUN SDR 2 DX is really worth considering at this price.
Always great reviews! I think the Yaesu sounds much better on AM then the 7300, the 7300 seems to cut the low frequencies off at about 200 Hz but the Yaesu goes down to about 50 I think. So the 7300 sounds a bit thin. Both radios are quite good for the price!
Thank you Adam. I'm not about flash and I don't waste your time. Catch my next review on an AMAZING rig that nobody is aware of yet. (about 10 days) It's basically a IC-7300 in palm-size,
Although the FTdx10 NB did a good job at removing the noise as you demonstrated, I found it distorted SSB signal audio (even at "lower" menu settings) much more than my Icom . Since I live in an area that often requires the use of the NB, that was a deal breaker for me. Plus I loved the Contour on my FTdx-3000 but found that it wasn't very useful on the 10. The ANL also added distortion that was higher on the 10 vs the Icom. Regrettably, I sold the 10 after Yaesu would not recognize the NB issue. Others have complained of this issue.
Yeah, it depends on the kind of noise you are experiencing. Actually, neither radio's noise-fighting features compare with a dedicated SDR. The Anan 7000 DLE II would completely eliminate your noise problems. See my review. ruclips.net/video/KR5t4Hei9FA/видео.html
@@robertnagy2163 Nagyon örülök, mindig megnézem a videóidat. Nem vagyok amatőr és nem is leszek az, viszont műszerészként mindig is érdekelt a rádiózás. Őszinte jókívánságaimat küldöm neked !
@@bukucsjozsef9630 "Hangszeres"... zenészre gondolsz? Egész életemben játszottam, és csak abbahagytam egy cigány ploka zenekarban. Már túl öregek a kezeim! Édesapám profi volt (www.robertnagy.com) Ezért mentem az elektronikába... Örülök, hogy beszéltem.
@@robertnagy2163 Nos nem zenére gondoltam. Itt magyarországon a ham radio operator = amatőr vagy bővebben amatőr rádiós. Nekem nem sok közöm van a zenéhez - de hallgatni szeretem. Jó volt hallani felőled, remélem nálad minden OK.
@@bukucsjozsef9630 Nos, a Covid kárt okozott. Nincs társadalmi élet. A feleségemmel nem volt Covid-fertőzésünk. Szerencsére az amatőr rádió elfoglalt. Ma eladom az IC-7851-emet. Nekem csak 5 hónapja volt. Túl sok pénz egyetlen rádióban tartani! Nincs semmi a pénztárcámban! OK, a legjobbakat kívánom... Bob
Regarding RF gain... I learned a lot from working digital modes - most hams use much more RCV RF gain than is actually needed and this causes problems for all the downstream technology. These are digital radios and cannot take being swamped with signal and then filter out all the splatter etc later in the chain with algorithms because a) it takes processing time and b) horsepower/cpu. They are both fine radios but Yaesu is a bit more tolerant of being overdriven because they can utiize circuits from the superhet days (mixer / roofing) and why I believe it gets better Sherwood reports. Honestly folks try using less RF gain and more AF gain, hearing more "grind" is not the same as hearing a better signal - don't believe AGC is going to clean up overdriving, even for superhets.
Although I realize this is a comparison of "stock" radios, would (or could) the FTdx10 transmit audio be markedly improved if a microphone element upgrade were available and installed. I am thinking of something like the IC-7000 mic upgrade that worked wonders. If not already available, this may worth some consideration. This was a great and practical review, and it shows the advantages gain in the newer technology. While the IC-7300 is a great radio in its price range, the Yaesu kicks it up a notch (or two) for very little more money.
Stu- Well, I am the IC-7000 mic upgrade guy....and the answer is No. TX audio is very good once set up well. It is just never going to be in the class of the 7300's audio.
To begin with, I would like to sincerely congratulate you for the great quality of your work, incredible and very well made videos. You are a person who dominates and understands technologies very easily and uses this to help your fellow people. Congratulations. **** I am considering purchasing a YAESU FTDX-10. I have an FT-1000 MP and a TS-2000 from Kenwood. But I noticed more quality and more technology in the FTDX-10 from what I've been watching. But I wanted to hear from someone really experienced and truthful the opinion if it's really interesting to buy this radio, if it's really worth it. Thank you very much from the heart in advance. God bless friend and family.
OK....well, I prefer the Icom radios. Why? Because your happiness with a radio is not only based on Sherwood Receiver numbers. For Yaesu to get those top numbers, they had to do a few tricks which do not like. The Receiver's audio frequency passband is tight and nothing you adjust can widen it. The Icom radios are pure SDR direct-sampling radios (the expensive way to do it). The receiver audio passband is flat and wide. My ears need the high frequency components, and the yaesu will never deliver them. Secondly, the menu system on the Yaesu is horrible. The Icom's is easy and intuitive. It's a new design and the Yaesu menu is from the older radios. Lastly, the Yaesu is a mixer SDR (older cheaper type) and they were unable to implement spectrum scope averaging. The display is like a strobe light show and isn't good. Controls are also hard to press on the left side of the VFO dial on the 10. Best radio if you have money is the IC-7610. If you have money and courage, the Absolute best Ham radio is the Anan 7000 DLE II.
Fantastic Bob. Great comparison video. I was looking at the 7300 but was concerned about the age of the design so started looking at the Yaesu and now, i'm convinced the better but is the FTdx-10. Thankyou.
At Dayton last year I had an interesting talk with a Kenwood representative. I put my journalistic training into practice and asked some probing questions. I was able to find out that Kenwood is working on an SDR HF rig, but that it probably won't be announced until, at best, Dayton 2024, and if so, it'll be a prototype that will be displayed. It'll probably be another year after that before they roll off the assembly line and are available at your favorite ham retail outlet. My money is on this being the best SDR ham transceiver when it's finally available. Truth in packaging, I have been a Kenwood fanboy in the past, though in recent years I've had more Yaesu, ICOM and Flex rigs in the shack.
In your review you said you liked that the amp key and ALC connections on the 7300 were RCA jacks and that on the FTDx-10 you have to get an accessory plug to break out those connections, but you didn't mention that in your final "grade". For me that should be an extra 2 points for the 7300, but of course the Yaesu still "wins" 14 to 11. I have the 7300 (it seems like *everyone* has one) but nothing you showed on the Yaesu would make me go out and buy one. My other radio is a Flex, LOL 73 de N4QM
I hear you. I sold an old destroyed RCA DX-77 mic from my junkbox...listed it for $50 for parts on Ebay and it sold for $1425...which is why this radio is here!
Wonderful and well-considered analysis, thanks! I must say, the Yaesu is one sexy radio. I only hope that you've removed the plastic from those screens by now. Cheers! 🙂
What a great video! I love my IC-7300 and I don't think the DX10 is enough of an upgrade to relearn a new radio, but if I was shopping between the 7300 or dx10, I'd probably get the 10.
Right. The 710 is a direct competitor to the 7300. It's got a few things going for it against the 7300- but truthfully, it's which brand you prefer to operate- what you are used to- that would make the decision.
I have a FTDX10, and can be verified on QRZ. I am very pleased with its performance, and glad I have a copy. However, the 7300 is a really good radio too, and would have been happy with either. Thanks for the comparison.
I would like to add a couple of points to what he has done so well. He forgot to mention the Icom's multimeter that allows you to see all your meter settings at once which I have on my Icom IC-7100 as well and it is really important running digital modes to monitor your power output, ALC and SWR with the constant TX and RX of the FT-8. I do love the Icom's menu system which is easier to see where you are going. I used to have the Yaesu FT-710 and in the beginning I did not like the menu system. However, after using it for a month or so I realized something. When you click on the menu of the Icom you get all the icons but no information. However, when you click on the menu for the Yaesu you get their boring list, but all of them show you the current settings at a glance which is a good thing and you don't have to actually go in any deeper to see where things are set. That is very nice as well. To bad we could not have a radio and the better features of each radio. Maybe some day. I think it comes down to what you want out of your radio and how you plan on using it. Also, the Icom had the presets for FT-8 long before the Yaesu did. I used FT-8 on my Icom 7300 and never had any problems and it is a breeze to set up. On my FT-710 I frequently lost connection and could not tell when I wasn't actually transmitting. That is why I like the Icom multimeter. Maybe Yaesu could do something similar. Thanks for posting and I always love your videos. 73's and hope to hear some of yall on field day tomorrow.
I am very close to making a choice between these 2. The external monitor on FTDX10 may be the decider. There is software to control either one, so I am less worried about the 10's buttons and dials.
Yup, both off them can be remotely operated from a PC using FLdigi's utility FLrig. The external monitor thing isn't as big a deal as you might think because both of these radio's displays are really all you need.
@Yavor54 Thank you. I should not NEED a monitor, but my eyeballs defy ophthalmologic technology, so I can't see well close up. Bigger screen will help. I hope. Well, that's the plan. 😉
I know it’s not the main point of the video but…I honestly would like to hear more about the motorcycle ride and bobcat @12:06. It sounds like it was a good ride!
Excellent review ! I have ICOM 7300 two item and i tested the new YASEU FTDX 10 look with new gaget but not impressed me . Maybe need a new firmware to correct many bugs.
It is much newer and there will be more firmware updates. The last one added a few new features. the 7300 is a more polished product, but the Yaesu offers more performance.
The newer tech Yaesu FT-dx10 will be superior after the updates roll out to polish it up. 7300 is older and had more time for new firmware updates to fix software bugs. I love the Icom 7300 & if the FT-dx10 wouldn't have been released I would have got the IC-7300. Both great Radios.
@@tipple31337 The 7300 will always be more popular. Mainly because it is lower price. If the FTdx-10 comes down to $1150 usd, then the Yaesu is the better choice.
I have both and while I agree with most of the points given to each radio at the end, I do have some points that I disagree with. 1. FTDX10 more buttons: Since they are so cramped, I would prefer a multi layer soft buttons as Icom has implemented. For example it is a mindblowing f**ckup from Yaesu engineers to have a button for band but no way of changing band from screen, and yet you also have mode button and mode can also be changed from the screen. Go figure... 2. FTDX10 much better display: While it is bigger, it's utilization and customization possibilities are nowhere near what they could be. Also the fact that the backlight dimming is made with PWM tells you that they've just cut corners. 3. FTDX10 External monitor connection: Let's face it, it is a gimmick. No proper keyboard integration means you cannot enter frequencies from kb. Mouse works to some extent, but what you really get is just a bigger display of your, well, display... :D You still need the physical interface for virtually every basic task. One of the biggest disappointments for me was when I found out that you cannot remote control FTDX10 without a 330€ box...
Noticing when you were doing the "noise comparison" ,at 6:46 you had the rf gain up almost to the point at which the squelch would kick in . I have not ever had to have it that high, it makes the 7300 look much more noisy than it is.
Would like to see someone compare AM transmit performance of these two radios, which one actually can get close to 100% modulation in the AM mode, does either have a carrier control like Kenwood? A true 4:1 ratio in AM on any of these new radios would be quite an achievement IMO... TNX 73
That is a good idea. I just ordered the FT-710 so I can do a head to head with the FTdx-10. AM on the Icoms is still carrier-controlled simulated AM. I'll try the Yaesus... likely exactly the same. Big difference is that the Yaesu only allows you to select between two receive bandwidths...where the Icom allows continuous bandwidth control.
The FTDX10 does not ship with a condenser mic. It is dynamic. A fine radio. Not picking on the 7300 but it is an entry level radio with great sounding transmit audio on SSB. The FTDX 10 is for the op that does not need 2 receivers but wants world class performance. The only other radio in my shack that can match it is the Flex at a considerably higher price - and the receiver on the DX10 is still a tad better under difficult conditions thanks to the roofing filters.
@Robert Nagy... I Love The 3DSS... It reminds of how we all got uses to 3D video games and 3D First person shooters' moving into the screen instead of Old 2D left and right on a flat plane arcade games. I Remember how Wolfenstein was on pc in DOS 16-bit OS in like 1992 1st real 1 person shooter. I would get sick some times till I got use to seeing through a screen in 3D..
I was wondering what your opinion is of the included hand microphone. Is it worth upgrading? I love the radio. It is a joy to use. I take it portable and even though it is a current hog, I can get through a day with my 20AH Bioenno. There are a couple of annoying bugs, though: The RF gain control almost sounds like a dirty potentiometer when using it. I almost exchanged it until I saw it was not a hardware issue. Also, a couple of times, the tuning rate on the VFO seemed to be too fast after changing bands, but it goes away after pushing a few buttons. There have been a few other niggles that escape me at the moment. I haven't updated the firmware yet (I've had mine for over a year) since I heard that it messed up with the band-stacking, which is a feature I enjoy. Should I upgrade the firmware? Like I said, I absolutely love this radio. I recently got an IC-705 so it has been fun noticing the contrasts with the ICOM style. The Icom interface is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. We live in an amazing time to be able to have such fine radios at affordable prices! Thanks for the great videos.
Well, I put one of my type #2 elements in the mic. The mic has enough output to feed the EQ and make good audio. I may add it to my website for upgrade......
Thanks Bob for the great review, I have the 7300 and installed it on a boat going offshore, one note is that it does have RTTY decode. I would like to see it have the backlit keys like the 101 and was wondering if the 10 has them?
I have to agree that benchmark numbers might be part of my decision criteria but the relative feature sets and to me the ergonomics are at least as important. I’m also into photography and I prefer cameras with separate M/A/S, ISO and exposure compensation than these buried in menus. So all things being equal I prefer the more analog experience. Watching other reviews and comments online I’m concerned about the number of reported “problems” and “faults” with the FTDX10 vs the 7300. I guess I’ll have to consider the merits further. I have no experience anchoring bias either way as I’m a newbie and do not own a Base/Desktop unit of any kind.
Brad- Well, you'd be happy with either of them. If you are not a contester, the 7300 is just great. The 10 has better selectivity for contesting, but a quite strange menu system. All the common stuff you use every day is easily accessible on either radio. If you are not used to either Icom or Yaesu menu systems, then it is a coin toss. You get used to them. I prefer the Icom for one reason... no scope averaging on the Yaesu. I'll never get used to the strobing effect on the Yaesu. The 3D scope is useless. Catch a sale and go for one!
Hello, very nice video and explanations! i had them both, and both very nice radios! i have a question: yeasu ft dx 10 on manual gives maximum sensivity on preamplifier 2 (which its normal), icom 7300 gives same sensitivity but with preamplifier 1 , question its what its the sensitivity with preamplifier 2 on icom 7300? i do use in quiet enviroment icom 7300 with a Lfa monoband yagi on 28mhz and i do listen all time on preamplifier 2 without OVF . From what i see, icom 7300 on preamplifier 2 on receive might be more sensitive than yaesu ft dx 10 on preamplifier 2. icom 7300 has same sensitivity on pream 1 as yaesu ft dx 10 on pream 2 . what do u think? as i said i do find usefull icom 7300 receiving on pream 2 with good monoband antena and in a quiet enviroment. 73. low signals comes better with pream 2 with icom 7300
Difficult to answer. We have to think about it in the real world conditions. Unless you live on a farm many Km from another house, you will never be able to see an improvement from the 7300 preamp 2 over the FTdx-10. Other radio qualities are more important that sensitivity. The FTdx-10 selectivity is far more important in every day operations. The Sherwood tests show the absolute dB numbers of the two radio's MDS. I do not remember them. HF is so filled with many types of noise- that sensitivity may be #3 or #4 quality that determines if you will complete a QSO. We have had good sensitivity for 30 years with HF radios. Selectivity and DSP are where all the progress is.
All good radios....I buy and then sell the review radios. Only enough time on them to make sure that they are 100% functional. I've got a FT-710 available now.
@Bob Nagy I got my tech last April and my General last October so I'm fairly new at this..I got an old Kenwood TS-130 for hardly nothing to start with but it's going out...I got a good 2 meter setup and that's where I spend most of my time..I'm doing some remodeling this spring and I'm turning a spare bedroom into my shack so I will check with you then to see if you have anything for sale..Nice seeing a fellow Arkansan on here!
Thank you for this; I think you just saved me $1500 as it seems like my 7300 is sufficiently close to the DX-10 and wouldn't be worth the upgrade. I'm a CW operator mainly looking for the ability to dig through a lot of local RFI/QRM and the DSP and filtering seems quite similar between these two, but correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps saving up for the 7610 with its diversity receive capability would be a more satisfying experience?
You are absolutely correct. The 7610 is the smart choice today. I've had and tested them all.. so snag a good deal on a 7610 and you'll be a VERY happy camper. The much bigger display and the radio being a dual 16 bit SDR make it a totally smooth operator. Bang for the buck, there is no better. The 10 and the 101D series have too many design mistakes. Plus - no averaging on the display is a real deal-killer. The Yaesu menu system will get you really frustrated- forever. As well, being SO tight, they roll off the bass and treble permanently. For AM of any type, the Icoms are so much better. TX and RX audio quality is just better on the Icom radios because they are direct-samplers...the way SDR should be done. Selectivity cannot be the only measure of your happiness with a radio. It's the whole package- and Icom has that nailed.
This Yaesu radio has a design that is far superior to ICOM. Its design is very, very beautiful; it looks professional and elegant in a living room. On the other hand, the 7300 has a slightly inferior design. However, it is much more intuitive, much more enjoyable to use, and much more pleasant overall. I will add handles to the ICOM 7300, which will give it a professional and engineer-researcher style. Both radios are similar in reception and transmission for DX.
Yes, the Yaesu is more beautiful. We like radios that look beautiful. The circuit design in the Yaesu is older though. It is a mixer SDR. Although this results in good RX "numbers" it radio comes with several problems. #1 problem is that the receiver audio frequency passband is not flat. The bass and treble are lost at the top and bottom. The next is that the display has no averaging. It is like a strobe light show. Next is the buttons on the left of the VFO knob. You ALWAYS hit the VFO knob when you try to press those buttons. Next is the Transmit adjustments. The AMC control must be at 100 to take it OUT of line- else you can never adjust your audio and ALC like the manual says. Receive and Transmit audio are superior on the Icom. DNR is superior on the Yaesu.
Excellent, very well done, thanks I would like to see Display averaging on the Yaesu. I sometimes use a wand type stick to select the buttons and also use the Lock button The Yaesu is well worth the extra 73 Rob G3RCE
No it does not. Personally, I prefer the 7300 for these reasons: RX and TX audio are better... a lot better. The 7300 spectrum display has adjustable "averaging". This makes for a smooth display and not the strobe-light show of the Yaesu. The Icom has infinite color adjustment of the spectrum display. The Yaesu has fixed selections, none of which I liked. The controls on the 7300 are not cramped up against the VFO dial (big problem on the Yaesu). The menu system on the Icom is totally intuitive- as where the Yaesu is very confusing. The Icom has progressive VFO tuning...the faster you spin the knob, the faster the movement across the band (major good thing). The Yaesu has AMC..which is some limiting control that makes it impossible to get the mic levels right and ALC readings correct. You have to take it out of the circuit. The Icom offers flat frequency response across the audio passband because of it's more advanced direct-sampling SDR technology. This gives better highs in the RX audio and it's easier for ears with high-frequency degradation to understand voices. Sure, the Yaesu has ultimate selectivity, but what gives you a happy experience with a radio is a combination of aspects. When all is considered, the Icom is by far the winner. That is why they have sold over 65,000 of them (and the radio is hundreds lower cost too)
@@Yavor54 Thanks a lot for your detailed advice. I am consdiering buying a HF rig but cannot make decison to select one between ICOM IC-7300 and Yaesu FT-710. Some people say FT-710 has a DVI port and it is a latest rig. Others say IC-7300 is eaiser to use and proven device for years. Very tough. Can you give me your idea?
at 8.05 NB, both do the same thing. Both have an immediat drop in SIGNAL METER DEFLECTION but the sound stays exactly the same. Just becasu the needle movement goes down doesnt tell the entire story to me. I havent seen a noise blanker that owrks well. but thats just me. It will be intresting to see what others think
My call after 51 years of hamming and 30+ HF rigs.... IC-7300. Rig happiness isn't just the Sherwood RX numbers. It's ALL the factors. the Icom beats the "10" is ALL other ways except ultimate selectivity. If you are a die-hard contester, get the "10". If you are a typical ham, save the $$ and get a 7300... there is a reason the 7300 way out-sells the 10. It's a GREAT rig.
Another question for you: Do you think that adding the 300Hz filter would add much to the experience? I'm no hard-core contester or anything, but would I notice much of a difference? I do operate CW a lot.
Hello Bob, You say that the response curve of the audio amplifier in reception is less rich in treble and bass on the yaesu. This is often the case with yaesu. For me it's a big problem that sometimes pushes to use the contour in inverted mode to add treble. I am always satisfied with the audio response curve of the ICOM unlike the YAESU. It would be interesting to precisely measure the frequency curves in order to compare them. Even the Sherwood measurements don't measure that and that's a real shame.
Indeed we would like a nice flat response curve over the RX passband. Yaesu knows that Sherwood numbers sell radios. To this end they trim the passband at top and bottom. You can easily tell when you widen the bandwidth...it just doesn't "open up" like when you do the same on an Icom. For digital modes, a flat curve would be best. Where you can really tell is if you add a set of three-way PC speakers to the radios. On the Icom, the bass is rich and deep. On the Yaesu's there is nothing under about 80 hz.
Well I get it I got the FTDX10. From the Sherwood Ratings The Sherwood reigns the DX10 is and dx101 is number one. Is the flex radio surprisingly coming 2nd which is really surprising Indefinitely beyond my budget though here I am with ADX10 all I gotta do is Oxford turn it on and start playing with the knobs and learn what you're going to do what and that might be a one big curve I don't know thank you for your contact enjoy your RUclips channel very much you're always straightforward you don't pull any punches KQ4CD Paul ⚓️
Thanks Paul. Yeah, I'm not a fanboy of any brand. If it's good- it's good. If the Yaesu wasn't rated #3 at Sherwood, it would still offer more performance than the 7300...but it IS #3!
Of course the Sherwood tests are sorted ONLY by 2k dynamic range. Something Rob Sherwood admits is a spec mostly important to CW contesters. If you aren’t a CW contester, that spec isn’t nearly as important. According to Sherwood, the FTDX10 is a little bit deaf, which might be why it can show up as a “quieter” radio. Sometimes that can be a good thing, but to have the same sensitivity, you may be running a preamp where another radio my be running attenuation. Bottom line, Sherwood rankings are based on what a hard core CW contester finds important, and no other measurements.
@@johnarcher9480 If you look older Robs slides, he defines 85dB is enought good dynamic radio for contests. I never had problems even with FT-1000MP. Its much more important that the radio is easy to use and that you can quickly change desired settings, pereferably via the front panel knobs or switches. That's why I have TS-990, the best of all...
Nope. The nature of a direct sampler SDR opens it up to more susceptibility to noise. There are tremendous upsides to direct sampling too though. With one less stage of circuitry between the RF and your ears, it clearly sounds like it somebody took digital windex and removed one more layer between the original signal and your ears/brain. It just has better fidelity. Even between the IC-7851 and my IC-7610, the 7610 just has a more visceral sound to it. Transmit too. The average operator will find that the 7300 has enough performance to give excellent results. My FTdx-10 (and FT-710) are being sold. The 7610 is staying.
Seems like some local noise on 80m. Scope on Icom shows it clear. I have similar noise that I have not identified. Yaesu seems like the choice on these two.
Yes, BUT. Design decisions must be made along profit generation. The most expensive chip in these SDR's is the ADC. We are moving away from Superhet to pure SDR- and the best way to do SDR is with a top-shelf ADC IC and no superhet circuitry. Icom decided to do pure Direct-Sampling SDR and use a expensive IC to do it. The result is the best-selling HF radio in 20 years. Over 65,000 sold. Yaesu realized that people read the Sherwood receiver tests and the top numbers sell radios. Plus, doing the older "Mixer" design allowed them to use a very low-cost ADC IC (and sell roofing filters). The one stage of superhet before the ADC IC does result in a very "Tight" receiver. Thing is, it comes at a cost. The receive audio passband is not flat in the 101D/10 series. Bass and treble are rolled-off top and bottom (permanent). The Yaesu radios also have some serious design flaws. The AMC circuit and malfunctioning ALC circuit makes it almost impossible to follow the manual and set the TX audio right. The menu system is just awful.. The display does not have averaging- and it is a Serious problem. The buttons to the left of the main VFO dial are too close and you hit the VFO trying to use them. Your happiness with a radio comes from a concert of elements which work together to make a radio a pleasure to operate. Icom has this balance DOWN. Yaesu sort of experiments on the public and then re-issues the radio fixed. (Ft-991/FT-991A etc etc) the FTdx-10 is a good radio...but the 7300 is more fun to operate.
Can you tune the vfo at a 1khz icom yes , yaesu? That is a deal breaker for me . Is the squelch/ rf on 1 knob . Yaesu = menu = not user friendly. At26.58 that crunchy rf gain control very much would be annoying problem for me . The icom is not without fault, but after having the ftdx 3000 yaesu logic is very questionable for me .
@@robertnagy2163 Tks for your reply . We have all got our own pet hates . Some like yaesu, some dislike yaesu, i got a love /hate . Just wish the were a wee bit more user friendly. Tks for the head to head , keeping us all entertained. Very 73 greetings from Scotland.
Bob, you are the Hickok45 of Ham Radio. And that's a great thing!
That's a great comparison!
As usual, concise and covers all salient points. Especially nice to see that you take the time to learn both radios before doing your videos.
Best comparisons on RUclips Bob, 👍
I have had both and tend to agree with you… only area we differ is with spiky display. Yeasu’ s refusal to add averaging is annoying IMHO. . Surely this is just firmware. On the users forum, this has been requested by a lot of users.
Always look forward to your Videos Bob
I’ve had my ftdx10 for a few weeks now and I absolutely love it! Great upgrade! Thing is incredibly sensitive And is perfect for digital operations!
Hi upgraded from which radio
Exactly my question upgraded from what, a 7300?
That's like climbing off of 1968 Schwinn varsity 10 speed and into a Porsche Carrera GT!
Providing they turn out to be just as reliable. I'm hoping. @@brannciforte1373
This is probably the best overall review of two radios compared I've ever seen. The only thing missing is comparison of relay noise in QSK CW. Thanks
Excellent comparison job
One detail: The IC7300 does have a RTTY decoding feature. It doesnt have the cw or psk, but it actually has the rtty one. Just put the mode on rtty, and push menu, and appears the decode option on the screen.
73 and good DX
Carlos YV4ABR
I own both of these radios and the plus for the 7300 is that it is much, much more intuitive to operate and the FTDX 10 has a better receiver. however you need to take points off for how tight everything is around the tuning knob. you’re forced to lock the frequency not some of the time but all of the time in order to use the buttons around the tuning knob. Additionally five years newer technology and play with the FTDX 10 versus the 7300. Icom needs to be coming out with the 7310 soon to remain competitive.
The question is: What nitch does Icom have to fill next? Really, they will probably replace the IC-7851 (just discontinued) with a ultra-deluxe SDR radio...but give them 4 years. Their 60th anniversary is coming up.
What the people (aka all the new people) really want is a direct replacement of the ft-857D with all the new whip grease of these new rigs. Portable, powerful, mobile. I don’t want a dedicated person on comm, I want comm with additional capabilities..
Love the comparison, thank you. We often take the rig out on field days, 2amps on received for the FTdx-10 compared with 900mA with the IC-7300 makes a difference for us. Somehow I got used to the screen in the middle with the IC-7300 which I prefer, but this could be because it was the first one I used.
the 7300 is a old 2015 technology. the FT-DX10 is 5 years newer technology. It the more advanced and improved radio. if you buy the SP-30 ext. speaker it matches the Ft-DX10 radio perfect and sit on the left side puts the screen in the middles and make the radio look even more amazing. I sold my old 7300 and used the $650 I got for it towards the FT-DX10 and matching speaker. a way better radio and the FT-DX10 doesn't have the front end over load you get on the IC7300
Price performance wise, you save money on the IC7300. For someone who is on a budget and beginning, the IC7300 is no slouch.
Really informative comparison Bob and about what I might have expected given the time the 7300 has been on the market. At the end of the day anyone would be happy with either radio. Both manufacturers are at the top of their respective games.
Right. Because we at home cannot build these radios from scratch, I guess we will all have to suffer with the slight imperfections in their designs...ha! Thousands of design decisions went into these radios...built on decades of experience in HF design. They are masterful creations.
@@robertnagy2163That’s so right. I have most of what Icom have ever produced, but I also bought an FTdx 3000. To be fair, the FTdx 3000 is a really, really good rig. If it was the only rig I’d bought, I’d have no cause for complaint. But, I just prefer the way Icom design radios. It doesn’t mean they’re better, they both make quite exceptional radios.
I'm a fairly new ham and I have the 7300, but I definitely like what you've done here. My hf radio (wish) list now has the FTdx-10 on it. Nice job, well done. 73s KE8OPY.
It will be interesting to see the receiving figures for the FT-710 as well. It will be pretty similar to the 7300 price I beleive.
Finest and most detailed review of these two radios. Keep up with great work Bob! 73s de yu2srb-Marko
Thank you Marko!
Great shootout Robert, I do Have the IC 7300, started out looking at both(to replace an old but capable IC 751) I was still undecided, when a 7300 came up 1 year old at a great price.
I’m not the most comprehensive operator, but the 7300 is very intuitive to use, and has way more to offer than I will ever use, but I’m watching you an all,and learning.
73 de M7PBX.
I have both radios but prefer the FTDX-10 for my purposes.
Also, we had a QSO on 20m SSB on February 12, 2022. Jim C W6ZD
Another great review, the best from Bob. I think the price difference mentioned was $200; it is more like $400. Not enough features to move me off the great user interface of the 7300/7610 for some increased selectivity. Might be worth it if I were a contester.
It varies.... The 10 was $1399 and the 7300 $1199 the day I posted it.. There is a $100 coupon on the 7300 now. I expect Yaesu to start dropping their price soon. (after the early adopters buy the radio)
Very well done comparison! Thanks Bob! I own both transceivers, among others. The Yaesu FTDX-10 needs careful adjustment of the parametric equalizer to get a decent modulation (with the supplied microphone) whilst the IC-7300 sounds great out of the box. Otherwise the IC-7300 is much more intuitive to operate and I recommend it for beginners. And here in Europe it currently costs about EUR 350 to EUR 400.- less than the FTDX-10 - best transceiver value you get for your money. The Yaesu FTDX-10 has a better receiver which only matters under specific operating conditions but I don't like that the many buttons are so close to the tuning knob and I frequently manage to unintentionally change the frequency. Personally I tend to like the 3D scope but admit that one has to get used to it somehow.
If someone doesn't care for the scope the FT-891 is cheaper again with a much better receiver, filters and audio (with headphones) I listen with headphones mostly anyway. The quieter receiver on the 891 is just so nice to listen to and the contour function adds a lot more clarity to the audio. I found the 7300 audio just too harsh needing NR on all the time which messes with the audio quality.
The 891 can be the first receiver while someone saves for a much better radio than the 7300 and then keep the 891 for portable operation or as I do, use it as 2nd radio for SWL in my sitting room connected to the Chameleon MPAS 2.0 and I make some decent DX on it too esp on 20m SSB in the evenings or sometimes I work some PSK31 or Olivia. So nice to have 2 radios sometimes but I really love the 891, very menu driven alright but most settings are set and forget. Can even be computer controlled with flrig which is quite convenient.
For a radio with more buttons the FT-450D is another decent cheap radio and looks great in low light conditions.
I sold my 7300 and got the sun sdr 2 dx boy what a difference, don't miss the 7300 one bit, the sun has an amazing noise blanker that almost remove all my power line noise that the 7300 didn't reduce in the slightest, the 7300 noise blanker is useless. The remote function on the sun is amazing, no need to be in the shack any more.
ftdx10 top of the list of Rob top notch
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FTdx10, apart from your personal tastes, it is objectively better. Its receiver is truly terrific.
I've been ponding about getting FT-DX10 as I've already got the 7300 after seeing this video I will end up getting my self one in January sale in UK. Thanks for the video it helps me a lot to make my mind up.
Your concise, unbiased review helped me to decide to purchase the FTXD10, unfortunatly after my house got flooded the purchase was delayed and now Yaesu is about to release the new FT710, which has thrown a spanner in the works. Unless the 710 is a poor man's version of the 10 I will have to wait and see how the 710 compares, being a full sdr may have drawbacks as I live in an area with a high background noise level.
Well, the 710 IS a poor-mans FTdx-10. The specs are not as good. Tell you what. I want to review the 710 anyhow and may sell off the FTdx-10 I used in the review. Email me when you decide what to do.
@@robertnagy2163 I know your response, "...specs are not as good" was a couple months ago. But so far, MANY reviews are currently pointing at Sherwood's tests as proof the '710 (receiver) is on par with the 'DX10. I'm on the fence between the '7300, '710 and 'DX10, as I'm seriously considering a return to radio [from a 5 year hiatus]. Can't wait for YOUR review of the '710. (I'll surely have ZERO use for the included speaker with the '710--too bad its NOT "OPTIONAL". Keep up the awesome work, Bob!!
@@ikantplae It seems that the only difference would be rejection of nearby signals at 100khz. Everything else is almost identical. The main reason for releasing the 710 is the re-arrangement of the buttons (main complaint on the 10) and the availability of a cheap enough ADC chip so as to be able to market the radio at a competitive price point (making a direct sampling SDR instead of the cheaper mixer design in the 10). I need to order one and get my 10 vs 710 review going. Thing is, I have to eat several hundred bucks to do it and I've been blowing $$ on other stuff!
Very nice comparison video. I really liked it.
The Yaesu ticks my of my boxes for what I would need such an radio. I currently have a FT-920, a FTDX-5000D+, a FT-847 for VHF/UHF and a Flex-6600 in my shack but I need something for the boat. The IC-705 seems to be a great radio for me but with only 10 watts I feel very compromised. The 7300 or 10 would work great for me and the thing that I do like about the 7300 that the 10 dont is the ability to store the radio away safely (not getting salt water or falling of a shelf because of a leaning boat) and using it by wifi. This is fully possible with Icoms software called RS-BA1 for about $140. Wish Yaesu had something similar.
73
And the Icom 7300 has run pretty flawlessly for about 8 years now. Lets see how well the Yaesu ft dx 10 does. Theres been some software issues from what some of my friends are seeing.
I followed all the radio youtube posters, but a lot of them are paid by the products they review and there are no comparisons or side by sides. This is the type of review I want. Not the mamby pamby nonsense to push up sales of a product. Slowly unfollowing a lot of well known youtubers. Good work ! Keep the good stuff coming
Thanks. I'm not into flash, or hyperbolic talk. I want to get to the core of the issues. No bias... if it's good, it's good. The FTdx-10 is superior to the 7300....and the 7300 is a great radio.
I have been looking forward to hearing your opinions. I saw on the Facebook group that you have it. I follow all the radio RUclips channels. And yours goes into the most detail. Which is great. It is fantastic how it decodes PSK. I sold my 7300 to get the FTdx10. I have also got the 991a and 7100 and 705.
You Will like it. It is a definite upgrade. I'm keeping my 991a and 705...
Hi Bob. Thanks for the excellent presentation. I'm still tending towards IC-7300, and your opinion and final numerical comparison is a very good proof of my ideas. More i/O, external monitor, and PSK/RTTY/CW decode are not important to me. Display greatness/weakness shouldn't be an issue. But all the mentioned advantages of Icom are much more important to me. 73!
Really enjoyed this review. Would love to see the Icom 7310 with some roofing filters. Icom needs to answer the call. Bet something along those lines happens.
Excellent video, descriptive and performance/feature based. I appreciate your willingness to buy these radios, test them and spend the hours making a video analysis for the ham community.
Thank you, Bob!
Thanks Scott. They take several days to make and ad revenue from them is minimal. When I want to make $$, I make videos on electric cars & Drones!
Howdy from Clarksville, AR de W5EN. Nice video and I enjoyed your reviews. I currently own a 7300 and enjoy using it. The external monitor would be a big deal for sure. My eyes aren't getting any younger. 73 and best wishes!
thank you for not broadcasting on 11m, like so many folks do.
Thanks for breaking down the differences. I've spent some time trying to figure out my next rig purchase - these two are the two main choices on the table at the moment (though I do have a fondness for the look of the IC-7100...). This should give me a bit more to go on - I'm thinking saving up for a little longer and forking out for the FTDX10 might be the better choice...
Again - thanks for going through this, it's really helped!
Yaesu make better radios in my opinion of course, and they sound better, Icom just doesn't get good audio.
I had the 7300 and ended up having to get the panadapter and airspy hf+ to make the audio decent, I used sdr console and having control over AGC made a huge difference. Completely changed my experience, having a gigantic waterfall also made a huge difference. The audio from the 7300 is just too harsh, I always use headphones and without doubt my Yaesu FT-891 sounds a lot better and doesn't suffer from bleedover nearly as much as the 7300.
It's an expensive way to go to get good audio from the 7300 so I would not encourage anyone to get new 7300 + panadapter + decent SDR, it's too expensive but I already had the 7300 and Airspy.
I sold the 7300 a couple of months ago for the SUN SDR DX 100 watt radio and it's really amazing, it's something else to think about, a learning curve of course because it's all software but the noise blanker is amazing against the power line noise I occasionally have at my QTH, when pressing the NB on the 7300 and playing with the settings it simply did nothing, basically useless NB on the 7300, the Sun SDR even eliminates the noise from the waterfall.
The remote capability of the sun is amazing too, it's as if you are plugged direct into the radio so you really don't have to be in the shack any more apart from to tune the amp or you can get solid state rigs that can be controlled from the SDR but I have the Acom 1000 so when I want more power I got to be in the shack, still being able to use the radio remotely even with 100 watts as good as it is on the sun is amazing.
I'm sure the FTDX-10 is an amazing radio, I love yaesu radios and would love the 101 but the SUN SDR 2 DX is really worth considering at this price.
Always great reviews!
I think the Yaesu sounds much better on AM then the 7300, the 7300 seems to cut the low frequencies off at about 200 Hz but the Yaesu goes down to about 50 I think.
So the 7300 sounds a bit thin.
Both radios are quite good for the price!
An excellent, thorough and well structured review! Subscribed and looking forward to more.
Thank you Adam. I'm not about flash and I don't waste your time. Catch my next review on an AMAZING rig that nobody is aware of yet. (about 10 days) It's basically a IC-7300 in palm-size,
Great video! Thank you very much for taking the time to do this!
I love how during the demo of the 7300, the OVF light comes on and off several times. That is why I got rid of my 7300 and got an FTDX-10.
Turn on attenuation or reduce RF gain
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That will attenuate the signals you want to receive also.And no RF control on IC-7300
@@mikant71 That has never been necessary on ANY of my other radios.
@@mikant71 why should you .. 7300 rubbish radio .. hence why i solld the 7300 and bought the Ftdx10
All radios can go ti overflow. ICOM have this Great control and you can adjust It. Sdr radios are different technology.. 7300 have Great sensibility
Although the FTdx10 NB did a good job at removing the noise as you demonstrated, I found it distorted SSB signal audio (even at "lower" menu settings) much more than my Icom . Since I live in an area that often requires the use of the NB, that was a deal breaker for me. Plus I loved the Contour on my FTdx-3000 but found that it wasn't very useful on the 10. The ANL also added distortion that was higher on the 10 vs the Icom. Regrettably, I sold the 10 after Yaesu would not recognize the NB issue. Others have complained of this issue.
Yeah, it depends on the kind of noise you are experiencing. Actually, neither radio's noise-fighting features compare with a dedicated SDR. The Anan 7000 DLE II would completely eliminate your noise problems. See my review. ruclips.net/video/KR5t4Hei9FA/видео.html
This is the best rig side by side comparison that i ever seen ! Thanks !
Szia József! Amint látod, én is magyar vagyok. Nagyon rossz a magyarom...csak köszönni akartam magyarul.
@@robertnagy2163 Nagyon örülök, mindig megnézem a videóidat. Nem vagyok amatőr és nem is leszek az, viszont műszerészként mindig is érdekelt a rádiózás. Őszinte jókívánságaimat küldöm neked !
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"Hangszeres"... zenészre gondolsz? Egész életemben játszottam, és csak abbahagytam egy cigány ploka zenekarban. Már túl öregek a kezeim! Édesapám profi volt (www.robertnagy.com) Ezért mentem az elektronikába... Örülök, hogy beszéltem.
@@robertnagy2163 Nos nem zenére gondoltam. Itt magyarországon a ham radio operator = amatőr vagy bővebben amatőr rádiós. Nekem nem sok közöm van a zenéhez - de hallgatni szeretem. Jó volt hallani felőled, remélem nálad minden OK.
@@bukucsjozsef9630 Nos, a Covid kárt okozott. Nincs társadalmi élet. A feleségemmel nem volt Covid-fertőzésünk. Szerencsére az amatőr rádió elfoglalt. Ma eladom az IC-7851-emet. Nekem csak 5 hónapja volt. Túl sok pénz egyetlen rádióban tartani! Nincs semmi a pénztárcámban! OK, a legjobbakat kívánom... Bob
This is correct. They use different manufacturer-supplied drivers for Windows, but both function similarly.
Regarding RF gain... I learned a lot from working digital modes - most hams use much more RCV RF gain than is actually needed and this causes problems for all the downstream technology. These are digital radios and cannot take being swamped with signal and then filter out all the splatter etc later in the chain with algorithms because a) it takes processing time and b) horsepower/cpu. They are both fine radios but Yaesu is a bit more tolerant of being overdriven because they can utiize circuits from the superhet days (mixer / roofing) and why I believe it gets better Sherwood reports. Honestly folks try using less RF gain and more AF gain, hearing more "grind" is not the same as hearing a better signal - don't believe AGC is going to clean up overdriving, even for superhets.
Yup, use the minimum RF gain needed! Also, less output form the PC sound device and more gain in the radio = better IMD on the TX.
Although I realize this is a comparison of "stock" radios, would (or could) the FTdx10 transmit audio be markedly improved if a microphone element upgrade were available and installed. I am thinking of something like the IC-7000 mic upgrade that worked wonders. If not already available, this may worth some consideration.
This was a great and practical review, and it shows the advantages gain in the newer technology. While the IC-7300 is a great radio in its price range, the Yaesu kicks it up a notch (or two) for very little more money.
Stu- Well, I am the IC-7000 mic upgrade guy....and the answer is No. TX audio is very good once set up well. It is just never going to be in the class of the 7300's audio.
Very, very good! Really appreciate your expertise and time and dedication.
To begin with, I would like to sincerely congratulate you for the great quality of your work, incredible and very well made videos.
You are a person who dominates and understands technologies very easily and uses this to help your fellow people.
Congratulations. ****
I am considering purchasing a YAESU FTDX-10.
I have an FT-1000 MP and a TS-2000 from Kenwood.
But I noticed more quality and more technology in the FTDX-10 from what I've been watching.
But I wanted to hear from someone really experienced and truthful the opinion if it's really interesting to buy this radio, if it's really worth it.
Thank you very much from the heart in advance.
God bless friend and family.
But could you give your opinion as a researcher and experimenter, which of the two do you feel better served by?
OK....well, I prefer the Icom radios. Why? Because your happiness with a radio is not only based on Sherwood Receiver numbers. For Yaesu to get those top numbers, they had to do a few tricks which do not like. The Receiver's audio frequency passband is tight and nothing you adjust can widen it. The Icom radios are pure SDR direct-sampling radios (the expensive way to do it). The receiver audio passband is flat and wide. My ears need the high frequency components, and the yaesu will never deliver them. Secondly, the menu system on the Yaesu is horrible. The Icom's is easy and intuitive. It's a new design and the Yaesu menu is from the older radios. Lastly, the Yaesu is a mixer SDR (older cheaper type) and they were unable to implement spectrum scope averaging. The display is like a strobe light show and isn't good. Controls are also hard to press on the left side of the VFO dial on the 10. Best radio if you have money is the IC-7610. If you have money and courage, the Absolute best Ham radio is the Anan 7000 DLE II.
Fantastic Bob. Great comparison video. I was looking at the 7300 but was concerned about the age of the design so started looking at the Yaesu and now, i'm convinced the better but is the FTdx-10. Thankyou.
At Dayton last year I had an interesting talk with a Kenwood representative. I put my journalistic training into practice and asked some probing questions. I was able to find out that Kenwood is working on an SDR HF rig, but that it probably won't be announced until, at best, Dayton 2024, and if so, it'll be a prototype that will be displayed. It'll probably be another year after that before they roll off the assembly line and are available at your favorite ham retail outlet. My money is on this being the best SDR ham transceiver when it's finally available. Truth in packaging, I have been a Kenwood fanboy in the past, though in recent years I've had more Yaesu, ICOM and Flex rigs in the shack.
Best review yet of the 10👍. Thanks!!
In your review you said you liked that the amp key and ALC connections on the 7300 were RCA jacks and that on the FTDx-10 you have to get an accessory plug to break out those connections, but you didn't mention that in your final "grade". For me that should be an extra 2 points for the 7300, but of course the Yaesu still "wins" 14 to 11. I have the 7300 (it seems like *everyone* has one) but nothing you showed on the Yaesu would make me go out and buy one. My other radio is a Flex, LOL 73 de N4QM
I hear you. I sold an old destroyed RCA DX-77 mic from my junkbox...listed it for $50 for parts on Ebay and it sold for $1425...which is why this radio is here!
@@robertnagy2163 Thus proving the old adage, "One man's trash is another man's treasure".
Indeed, getting the Yaesu connector and building the interface is quite an awful experience. RCA plus are no brainer.
Wonderful and well-considered analysis, thanks! I must say, the Yaesu is one sexy radio. I only hope that you've removed the plastic from those screens by now. Cheers! 🙂
Actually no. Why? Because I'm sure I will sell it after the fun phase dies down. Still, one sexy radio!
Nagyszerű összehasonlító videó, köszönöm, Robi!
Ezer köszönet! Próbálok érdekes videókat készíteni. 73 Bob
What a great video! I love my IC-7300 and I don't think the DX10 is enough of an upgrade to relearn a new radio, but if I was shopping between the 7300 or dx10, I'd probably get the 10.
Right. The 710 is a direct competitor to the 7300. It's got a few things going for it against the 7300- but truthfully, it's which brand you prefer to operate- what you are used to- that would make the decision.
That's me KE5YXO on 7.208 at point 11.35 on the IC-7300. I was on a IC-7300 at the time to! What are the odds?
This comparison was excellent!
I have a FTDX10, and can be verified on QRZ. I am very pleased with its performance, and glad I have a copy. However, the 7300 is a really good radio too, and would have been happy with either. Thanks for the comparison.
I would like to add a couple of points to what he has done so well. He forgot to mention the Icom's multimeter that allows you to see all your meter settings at once which I have on my Icom IC-7100 as well and it is really important running digital modes to monitor your power output, ALC and SWR with the constant TX and RX of the FT-8. I do love the Icom's menu system which is easier to see where you are going. I used to have the Yaesu FT-710 and in the beginning I did not like the menu system. However, after using it for a month or so I realized something. When you click on the menu of the Icom you get all the icons but no information. However, when you click on the menu for the Yaesu you get their boring list, but all of them show you the current settings at a glance which is a good thing and you don't have to actually go in any deeper to see where things are set. That is very nice as well. To bad we could not have a radio and the better features of each radio. Maybe some day. I think it comes down to what you want out of your radio and how you plan on using it. Also, the Icom had the presets for FT-8 long before the Yaesu did. I used FT-8 on my Icom 7300 and never had any problems and it is a breeze to set up. On my FT-710 I frequently lost connection and could not tell when I wasn't actually transmitting. That is why I like the Icom multimeter. Maybe Yaesu could do something similar. Thanks for posting and I always love your videos. 73's and hope to hear some of yall on field day tomorrow.
I am very close to making a choice between these 2. The external monitor on FTDX10 may be the decider. There is software to control either one, so I am less worried about the 10's buttons and dials.
Yup, both off them can be remotely operated from a PC using FLdigi's utility FLrig. The external monitor thing isn't as big a deal as you might think because both of these radio's displays are really all you need.
@Yavor54 Thank you. I should not NEED a monitor, but my eyeballs defy ophthalmologic technology, so I can't see well close up. Bigger screen will help. I hope. Well, that's the plan. 😉
I would love to see a comparison with the Kenwood TS-590SG. G7VFY
Great review but I thought this was about Colt Navys
My TS-590 is looking nervous
I know it’s not the main point of the video but…I honestly would like to hear more about the motorcycle ride and bobcat @12:06. It sounds like it was a good ride!
Excellent review ! I have ICOM 7300 two item and i tested the new YASEU FTDX 10 look with new gaget but not impressed me . Maybe need a new firmware to correct many bugs.
It is much newer and there will be more firmware updates. The last one added a few new features. the 7300 is a more polished product, but the Yaesu offers more performance.
The newer tech Yaesu FT-dx10 will be superior after the updates roll out to polish it up. 7300 is older and had more time for new firmware updates to fix software bugs. I love the Icom 7300 & if the FT-dx10 wouldn't have been released I would have got the IC-7300. Both great Radios.
@@tipple31337 The 7300 will always be more popular. Mainly because it is lower price. If the FTdx-10 comes down to $1150 usd, then the Yaesu is the better choice.
I have both and while I agree with most of the points given to each radio at the end, I do have some points that I disagree with.
1. FTDX10 more buttons: Since they are so cramped, I would prefer a multi layer soft buttons as Icom has implemented. For example it is a mindblowing f**ckup from Yaesu engineers to have a button for band but no way of changing band from screen, and yet you also have mode button and mode can also be changed from the screen. Go figure...
2. FTDX10 much better display: While it is bigger, it's utilization and customization possibilities are nowhere near what they could be. Also the fact that the backlight dimming is made with PWM tells you that they've just cut corners.
3. FTDX10 External monitor connection: Let's face it, it is a gimmick. No proper keyboard integration means you cannot enter frequencies from kb. Mouse works to some extent, but what you really get is just a bigger display of your, well, display... :D You still need the physical interface for virtually every basic task.
One of the biggest disappointments for me was when I found out that you cannot remote control FTDX10 without a 330€ box...
Noticing when you were doing the "noise comparison" ,at 6:46 you had the rf gain up almost to the point at which the squelch would kick in . I have not ever had to have it that high, it makes the 7300 look much more noisy than it is.
You helped me to come to a right decision. Thumps up to ftdx10 ❤🎉
Wow, nice comparison and overview, without the insesint social-media malarkey. 👍 I have the 991A, but that dx-10 is looking really good. 73
My goal i not wasting your time. I don't do poppin-fresh side commentary...etc. I also try to add a little hard-core tech to each review. Thanks- Bob
Would like to see someone compare AM transmit performance of these two radios, which one actually can get close to 100% modulation in the AM mode, does either have a carrier control like Kenwood? A true 4:1 ratio in AM on any of these new radios would be quite an achievement IMO... TNX 73
That is a good idea. I just ordered the FT-710 so I can do a head to head with the FTdx-10. AM on the Icoms is still carrier-controlled simulated AM.
I'll try the Yaesus... likely exactly the same. Big difference is that the Yaesu only allows you to select between two receive bandwidths...where the Icom allows continuous bandwidth control.
The FTDX10 does not ship with a condenser mic. It is dynamic. A fine radio. Not picking on the 7300 but it is an entry level radio with great sounding transmit audio on SSB. The FTDX 10 is for the op that does not need 2 receivers but wants world class performance. The only other radio in my shack that can match it is the Flex at a considerably higher price - and the receiver on the DX10 is still a tad better under difficult conditions thanks to the roofing filters.
How strange. Mine shipped in the USA with the SSM-75E condenser hand mic.
@Robert Nagy Hello, What "Resolution of the External monitor" do you recommend for the Yaesu FT-Dx10??
800X600
@@bobnagy9084 thank you
Looking forward to to the IC-7310....
Yep, they just might add some roofing filters. Its about time for them to upgrade it and I think we will see it soon.
@Robert Nagy... I Love The 3DSS... It reminds of how we all got uses to 3D video games and 3D First person shooters' moving into the screen instead of Old 2D left and right on a flat plane arcade games. I Remember how Wolfenstein was on pc in DOS 16-bit OS in like 1992 1st real 1 person shooter. I would get sick some times till I got use to seeing through a screen in 3D..
I was wondering what your opinion is of the included hand microphone. Is it worth upgrading?
I love the radio. It is a joy to use. I take it portable and even though it is a current hog, I can get through a day with my 20AH Bioenno. There are a couple of annoying bugs, though:
The RF gain control almost sounds like a dirty potentiometer when using it. I almost exchanged it until I saw it was not a hardware issue. Also, a couple of times, the tuning rate on the VFO seemed to be too fast after changing bands, but it goes away after pushing a few buttons. There have been a few other niggles that escape me at the moment. I haven't updated the firmware yet (I've had mine for over a year) since I heard that it messed up with the band-stacking, which is a feature I enjoy. Should I upgrade the firmware?
Like I said, I absolutely love this radio. I recently got an IC-705 so it has been fun noticing the contrasts with the ICOM style. The Icom interface is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. We live in an amazing time to be able to have such fine radios at affordable prices!
Thanks for the great videos.
Well, I put one of my type #2 elements in the mic. The mic has enough output to feed the EQ and make good audio. I may add it to my website for upgrade......
Prices on the Yaesu seem to be creeping down while the Icom is stable. I"m seeing about a $250 difference.
I expect the FTdx-10 to flatten out to be equal to the 7300 in price. That will help Yaesu sell...against the avalanche of 7300 sales!
Thank you for the excellent comparison review, I really enjoyed it !!!!
Yannis, SV1FJK
Wow ! What a big difference on CW. The FTdx-10 is significantly better.
Well, it’s been two years. Which one did you sell and which one did you decide to keep?
Kept the FTdx-10...yeah, it IS a better radio.... but then again I have a 7610.
Thanks Bob for the great review, I have the 7300 and installed it on a boat going offshore, one note is that it does have RTTY decode. I would like to see it have the backlit keys like the 101 and was wondering if the 10 has them?
Excellent comparison. I look forward to one of the FT-710 😆
As I must buy these radios, the FTdx-10 must go to pay for the 710. I'm still having too much fun with the "10"!
@@Yavor54 You should get some sponsorship, loan one or use Patreon! 😀
I have a ftdx 10 and love it great video ku4fx
I have to agree that benchmark numbers might be part of my decision criteria but the relative feature sets and to me the ergonomics are at least as important. I’m also into photography and I prefer cameras with separate M/A/S, ISO and exposure compensation than these buried in menus. So all things being equal I prefer the more analog experience. Watching other reviews and comments online I’m concerned about the number of reported “problems” and “faults” with the FTDX10 vs the 7300. I guess I’ll have to consider the merits further. I have no experience anchoring bias either way as I’m a newbie and do not own a Base/Desktop unit of any kind.
Brad- Well, you'd be happy with either of them. If you are not a contester, the 7300 is just great. The 10 has better selectivity for contesting, but a quite strange menu system. All the common stuff you use every day is easily accessible on either radio. If you are not used to either Icom or Yaesu menu systems,
then it is a coin toss. You get used to them. I prefer the Icom for one reason... no scope averaging on the Yaesu. I'll never get used to the strobing effect on the Yaesu. The 3D scope is useless. Catch a sale and go for one!
g just keep the 7300 away from strong local transmitters. There are selectivity fails with strong local signals.
ic-705, 7300 OVF ....... OTZ
Hello, very nice video and explanations! i had them both, and both very nice radios! i have a question: yeasu ft dx 10 on manual gives maximum sensivity on preamplifier 2 (which its normal), icom 7300 gives same sensitivity but with preamplifier 1 , question its what its the sensitivity with preamplifier 2 on icom 7300? i do use in quiet enviroment icom 7300 with a Lfa monoband yagi on 28mhz and i do listen all time on preamplifier 2 without OVF . From what i see, icom 7300 on preamplifier 2 on receive might be more sensitive than yaesu ft dx 10 on preamplifier 2. icom 7300 has same sensitivity on pream 1 as yaesu ft dx 10 on pream 2 . what do u think? as i said i do find usefull icom 7300 receiving on pream 2 with good monoband antena and in a quiet enviroment. 73. low signals comes better with pream 2 with icom 7300
Difficult to answer. We have to think about it in the real world conditions. Unless you live on a farm many Km from another house, you will never be able to see an improvement from the 7300 preamp 2 over the FTdx-10. Other radio qualities are more important that sensitivity. The FTdx-10 selectivity is far more important in every day operations. The Sherwood tests show the absolute dB numbers of the two radio's MDS. I do not remember them. HF is so filled with many types of noise- that sensitivity may be #3 or #4 quality that determines if you will complete a QSO. We have had good sensitivity for 30 years with HF radios. Selectivity and DSP are where all the progress is.
@@Yavor54 thanks, you're right. in real life does not matter to much
Good video as i am looking at these two radios...btw im just south of Fort Smith, Arkansas so we are not that far apart
All good radios....I buy and then sell the review radios. Only enough time on them to make sure that they are 100% functional. I've got a FT-710 available now.
@Bob Nagy I got my tech last April and my General last October so I'm fairly new at this..I got an old Kenwood TS-130 for hardly nothing to start with but it's going out...I got a good 2 meter setup and that's where I spend most of my time..I'm doing some remodeling this spring and I'm turning a spare bedroom into my shack so I will check with you then to see if you have anything for sale..Nice seeing a fellow Arkansan on here!
Thank you for this; I think you just saved me $1500 as it seems like my 7300 is sufficiently close to the DX-10 and wouldn't be worth the upgrade. I'm a CW operator mainly looking for the ability to dig through a lot of local RFI/QRM and the DSP and filtering seems quite similar between these two, but correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps saving up for the 7610 with its diversity receive capability would be a more satisfying experience?
You are absolutely correct. The 7610 is the smart choice today. I've had and tested them all.. so snag a good deal on a 7610 and you'll be a VERY happy camper. The much bigger display and the radio being a dual 16 bit SDR make it a totally smooth operator. Bang for the buck, there is no better. The 10 and the 101D series have too many design mistakes. Plus - no averaging on the display is a real deal-killer. The Yaesu menu system will get you really frustrated- forever. As well, being SO tight, they roll off the bass and treble permanently. For AM of any type, the Icoms are so much better. TX and RX audio quality is just better on the Icom radios because they are direct-samplers...the way SDR should be done. Selectivity cannot be the only measure of your happiness with a radio. It's the whole package- and Icom has that nailed.
At this level I would have the best looking one, (like my women) I'll take them both please.
Best comparison I have seen!
Thanks. I try to keep it real.
Kenwood TS50 had that auto tuning feature where it speeds up if you move the dial faster and I liked it so much
I remember that when you turned the VFO, if you turn it 5 times to the right and then 5 times to the left, you were not on the same frequency!
This Yaesu radio has a design that is far superior to ICOM. Its design is very, very beautiful; it looks professional and elegant in a living room. On the other hand, the 7300 has a slightly inferior design. However, it is much more intuitive, much more enjoyable to use, and much more pleasant overall. I will add handles to the ICOM 7300, which will give it a professional and engineer-researcher style. Both radios are similar in reception and transmission for DX.
Yes, the Yaesu is more beautiful. We like radios that look beautiful. The circuit design in the Yaesu is older though. It is a mixer SDR. Although this results in good RX "numbers" it radio comes with several problems. #1 problem is that the receiver audio frequency passband is not flat. The bass and treble are lost at the top and bottom. The next is that the display has no averaging. It is like a strobe light show. Next is the buttons on the left of the VFO knob. You ALWAYS hit the VFO knob when you try to press those buttons. Next is the Transmit adjustments. The AMC control must be at 100 to take it OUT of line- else you can never adjust your audio and ALC like the manual says. Receive and Transmit audio are superior on the Icom. DNR is superior on the Yaesu.
Excellent, very well done, thanks
I would like to see Display averaging on the Yaesu.
I sometimes use a wand type stick to select the buttons and also use the
Lock button
The Yaesu is well worth the extra
73 Rob G3RCE
If Yaesu added display averaging on this and the 101 series- they would capture much more of the market.
Thanks for your video. Can I ask you one thing? I am wondering if Yaesu FTdx-10 has a similar feature like the SWR Graph of ICOM IC-7300.
No it does not. Personally, I prefer the 7300 for these reasons: RX and TX audio are better... a lot better. The 7300 spectrum display has adjustable "averaging". This makes for a smooth display and not the strobe-light show of the Yaesu. The Icom has infinite color adjustment of the spectrum display. The Yaesu has fixed selections, none of which I liked. The controls on the 7300 are not cramped up against the VFO dial (big problem on the Yaesu). The menu system on the Icom is totally intuitive- as where the Yaesu is very confusing. The Icom has progressive VFO tuning...the faster you spin the knob, the faster the movement across the band (major good thing). The Yaesu has AMC..which is some limiting control that makes it impossible to get the mic levels right and ALC readings correct. You have to take it out of the circuit. The Icom offers flat frequency response across the audio passband because of it's more advanced direct-sampling SDR technology. This gives better highs in the RX audio and it's easier for ears with high-frequency degradation to understand voices. Sure, the Yaesu has ultimate selectivity, but what gives you a happy experience with a radio is a combination of aspects. When all is considered, the Icom is by far the winner. That is why they have sold over 65,000 of them (and the radio is hundreds lower cost too)
@@Yavor54 Thanks a lot for your detailed advice. I am consdiering buying a HF rig but cannot make decison to select one between ICOM IC-7300 and Yaesu FT-710. Some people say FT-710 has a DVI port and it is a latest rig. Others say IC-7300 is eaiser to use and proven device for years. Very tough. Can you give me your idea?
at 8.05 NB, both do the same thing. Both have an immediat drop in SIGNAL METER DEFLECTION but the sound stays exactly the same. Just becasu the needle movement goes down doesnt tell the entire story to me. I havent seen a noise blanker that owrks well. but thats just me. It will be intresting to see what others think
Did you use a loop. What's length. What did you use for balun. The hight 40 ft.
I have a FTDX-10
Thanks for your content
73 KQ4CD Paul
Original test footage was on a 240 ft triangular loop at 45 ft with NO balun.
Nice comparison! Thank you. It’s still a hard decision
My call after 51 years of hamming and 30+ HF rigs.... IC-7300. Rig happiness isn't just the Sherwood RX numbers. It's ALL the factors. the Icom beats the "10" is ALL other ways except ultimate selectivity. If you are a die-hard contester, get the "10". If you are a typical ham, save the $$ and get a 7300... there is a reason the 7300 way out-sells the 10. It's a GREAT rig.
Yes I know many hams that have the icom. They all swear by it. Sometimes I want something different lol everyone has the 7300!
Robert, thanks for the video... Mark RUclips W2YM
The price difference is 200 so realistically the features should be the deciding factor.
Another question for you:
Do you think that adding the 300Hz filter would add much to the experience? I'm no hard-core contester or anything, but would I notice much of a difference? I do operate CW a lot.
Only if someone is looking to give you a gift! No, the standard 500hz filter plus the DSP bandwidth control provide superb selectivity.
Rob, how's the 11 meter band on this radio? I see you have 27.184.00 that would be channel 19 on the CB.
Not FTdx is......... Its a Superstar, or Ranger radio, hi hi....
Is the ftdx10 like the 7300 in the fact that all you have to do is plug the cable to connect to your computer and you are able to do FT8?
Hello Bob, You say that the response curve of the audio amplifier in reception is less rich in treble and bass on the yaesu. This is often the case with yaesu. For me it's a big problem that sometimes pushes to use the contour in inverted mode to add treble. I am always satisfied with the audio response curve of the ICOM unlike the YAESU. It would be interesting to precisely measure the frequency curves in order to compare them. Even the Sherwood measurements don't measure that and that's a real shame.
Indeed we would like a nice flat response curve over the RX passband. Yaesu knows that Sherwood numbers sell radios. To this end they trim the passband at top and bottom. You can easily tell when you widen the bandwidth...it just doesn't "open up" like when you do the same on an Icom. For digital modes, a flat curve would be best. Where you can really tell is if you add a set of three-way PC speakers to the radios. On the Icom, the bass is rich and deep. On the Yaesu's there is nothing under about 80 hz.
Well I get it I got the FTDX10. From the Sherwood Ratings The Sherwood reigns the DX10 is and dx101 is number one. Is the flex radio surprisingly coming 2nd which is really surprising Indefinitely beyond my budget though here I am with ADX10 all I gotta do is Oxford turn it on and start playing with the knobs and learn what you're going to do what and that might be a one big curve I don't know thank you for your contact enjoy your RUclips channel very much you're always straightforward you don't pull any punches
KQ4CD Paul ⚓️
Thanks Paul. Yeah, I'm not a fanboy of any brand. If it's good- it's good. If the Yaesu wasn't rated #3 at Sherwood, it would still offer more performance than the 7300...but it IS #3!
Of course the Sherwood tests are sorted ONLY by 2k dynamic range. Something Rob Sherwood admits is a spec mostly important to CW contesters.
If you aren’t a CW contester, that spec isn’t nearly as important.
According to Sherwood, the FTDX10 is a little bit deaf, which might be why it can show up as a “quieter” radio. Sometimes that can be a good thing, but to have the same sensitivity, you may be running a preamp where another radio my be running attenuation.
Bottom line, Sherwood rankings are based on what a hard core CW contester finds important, and no other measurements.
@@johnarcher9480 If you look older Robs slides, he defines 85dB is enought good dynamic radio for contests. I never had problems even with FT-1000MP. Its much more important that the radio is easy to use and that you can quickly change desired settings, pereferably via the front panel knobs or switches. That's why I have TS-990, the best of all...
Just wondering if your Icom was connected to your computer and the Yeasu not? Possible noise source?
Nope. The nature of a direct sampler SDR opens it up to more susceptibility to noise. There are tremendous upsides to direct sampling too though. With one less stage of circuitry between the RF and your ears, it clearly sounds like it somebody took digital windex and removed one more layer between the original signal and your ears/brain. It just has better fidelity. Even between the IC-7851 and my IC-7610, the 7610 just has a more visceral sound to it. Transmit too. The average operator will find that the 7300 has enough performance to give excellent results. My FTdx-10 (and FT-710) are being sold. The 7610 is staying.
My ic 7300, decodes RTTY, and you can also type on the radio into RTTY..
Seems like some local noise on 80m. Scope on Icom shows it clear. I have similar noise that I have not identified. Yaesu seems like the choice on these two.
27.184 on VFO B.. does it come with 27mhz xmit opened?
Thanks, Robert fantastic review 73 from kb2uew
Isn't the Yaesu a somewhat newer radio with later technology available?
Yes, BUT. Design decisions must be made along profit generation. The most expensive chip in these SDR's is the ADC. We are moving away from Superhet to pure SDR- and the best way to do SDR is with a top-shelf ADC IC and no superhet circuitry. Icom decided to do pure Direct-Sampling SDR and use a expensive IC to do it. The result is the best-selling HF radio in 20 years. Over 65,000 sold. Yaesu realized that people read the Sherwood receiver tests and the top numbers sell radios. Plus, doing the older "Mixer" design allowed them to use a very low-cost ADC IC (and sell roofing filters). The one stage of superhet before the ADC IC does result in a very "Tight" receiver. Thing is, it comes at a cost. The receive audio passband is not flat in the 101D/10 series. Bass and treble are rolled-off top and bottom (permanent). The Yaesu radios also have some serious design flaws. The AMC circuit and malfunctioning ALC circuit makes it almost impossible to follow the manual and set the TX audio right. The menu system is just awful.. The display does not have averaging- and it is a Serious problem. The buttons to the left of the main VFO dial are too close and you hit the VFO trying to use them. Your happiness with a radio comes from a concert of elements which work together to make a radio a pleasure to operate. Icom has this balance DOWN. Yaesu sort of experiments on the public and then re-issues the radio fixed. (Ft-991/FT-991A etc etc) the FTdx-10 is a good radio...but the 7300 is more fun to operate.
I'm not into radio but the dvi would be my deciding factor
We had a QSO on 20m SSB in February 12, 2022. Jim C W6ZD
Does the 10 have a tiny battery soldered to the board that dies and cant be replaced like the 7300 and 7610 have?
I doubt it. I did not see a LiPo disk on the board. Today, there are memory chips that don't require voltage to remember!
Can you tune at 1khz step on the yaesu?
Can you adjust rf gain /squelch without menu on the 10 ?
Can you tune the vfo at a 1khz icom yes , yaesu? That is a deal breaker for me . Is the squelch/ rf on 1 knob . Yaesu = menu = not user friendly. At26.58 that crunchy rf gain control very much would be annoying problem for me .
The icom is not without fault, but after having the ftdx 3000 yaesu logic is very questionable for me .
Yes...but you are right, the menu system on the Yaesu is no where near as good as the Icom.
@@robertnagy2163 Tks for your reply . We have all got our own pet hates . Some like yaesu, some dislike yaesu, i got a love /hate . Just wish the were a wee bit more user friendly. Tks for the head to head , keeping us all entertained. Very 73 greetings from Scotland.