I really appreciate your deep dives into the M17 R4. I want mine, when it gets here, to last a long time as well as perform at a high level. I plan on undervolting using your video as a guide. Thank you again!
TCC = 15 for me, it helped so much. I bought a brandnew M15R7 with i9 12900, the temperatures got too 100 Celcius very often. My laptop frozen a couple of times during gaming. But using what you showed here stopped that. Thank you!
I got my M17 R4 a few days ago and as soon as your videos drop I'm ecstatic. Great quality content and can't wait for the future tweaking videos you mentioned. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Ben, got a m17 vs m15 video next today then a m15 tweaking and undervolt video Monday 👍 I need more hours in the day to get all videos I want to complete for these laptops 😂 ps, how are you enjoying your m17? I have had to give my review unit back to dell, so gutted. Part of me wants to buy myself one but I am saving myself for a area 51m r3 if they ever update it!
@@MashITTech Take your time on the vids. The quality and information used in your content is fantastic. I got myself the; 3080 gpu 32gb ram i-9 360hz FHD screen and I'm absolutely loving it. At the moment I'm putting it through its paces with Half Life: Alyx, running on the Quest 2 via virtual desktop and I'm losing my mind. Also really interesting to see my score and performance improve drastically on Counter Strike due to the high frames and 360hz screen. I didn't expect to feel and see such a crazy difference straight away.
@@benstone2614 yooooo bro, I just ordered one too. Similar spec as yours except I went for i7 rather than i9. I wonder how long it will be delivered to me though, I live in London. I was so torn between the Razer Blade Pro 17 and this one, but since the Razer don't have stock at the moment, I decided to go with the Alienware, hopefully I won't regret about it!
@@MashITTech Hi David, I plan to use the laptop by connecting it to an external monitor most of the time, would there be any issue if we use this laptop close lid? I am not sure how important those holes are north of the keyboard. Could you consider to include this in your future review videos? I hardly see any reviewer talk about this. For other brands of laptops as well. Right now only Razer has HDMI 2.1 in their laptops which actually make them so much more future proof, but people seem to hardly appreciate this...
@@MashITTech great really cool laptop this is my first gaming laptop and I get it for 2655 us dollar (1,914.20 pound) but you said that it is 2500 pound for 3070... Why uk is expensive??
This is such a great video! Thank you!!! Also, it looks like with TCC at 15 ... it might be bottlenecking the GPU. I see that GPU utilization % is very low compared to without TCC. Just something to lookout for.
Thanks Daniel, yes you are right it does. If you look at my channel videos I have also done a few more tweaking videos where I also undervolt, overclock the GPU and use a TCC of 10 and between the three tweaks I get great performance ( I used an M15 for reference as it has the worst cooling).
I ordered a m17 r4 a couple weeks ago so I'm very thankful for the work you are putting in to help keep my overpriced investment as long as possible. Thank you
I've found that once you get the undervolting, fan curves, and everything else straightened out, you can get pretty much full performance with temps in the 70s, low 80's at most, so tcc adjustment isn't really a factor. I leave the tcc at 10 or 15 just in case
Why wouldn't Alienware do the configuration you speak of? Do they not want you to have longevity of your machine? I just purchased the 3080 variant so obviously I will be playing more CPU heavy triple A titles as I am sure anyone else would with any 30 series GPU to be honest. Seems a little odd they don't ship it factory with the voltage tweaking you mentioned.
I understand that by using TCC I'm underclocking the system - what about undervolting it with Throttlestop? Is it worth it over TCC? Or should I use a combination of both?
Hi Zach, I reviewed that exact config last year and ended up being my favourite gaming laptop of 2020! I am waiting for the 51m r3 (if dell ever release it!) to buy one for myself. I know if it doesn't release soon I am going to crack and order an r2 as I hated handing that review unit back :(
@@MashITTech Yea for sure, and Same here. The last couple of laptops I've had were alright, but were nothing compared the r2. Hope you can get a r3, but even with an r2 You would have plenty of performance!
TCC would win out over the fans at high speed just because fans can fail (although unlikely). Undervolting is also another great way to increase performance and decrease temps and I am working on a video for that now
Is it possible to undervolt m15r4 with 1.3.1 bios update or is dissable? Need i to downgrade bios to use trottlestop? Because the changes i made didnt save at all.
One thing that in this video caught me off guard was the bios menu. I assumed that all dell devices now use the new graphic UEFI solutions. Is it only the visuals or does the functionality differ? Could you pleas elaborate on this? :))
The fans were set to balanced at both tests right?? Waiting for the undervolting video as I want that extra performance for rendering.. Thanks for the video again!..🌷❤
Yes, I set them to balanced as that was the best way to show the effects of TCC as it allows the cpu 105w but doesn't ramp the fans up. I could have switched it to performance and there would have been slightly better performance but at the cost of a noisier system. And, yep having an evening off but will be working on that one tomorrow :)
Hi loving the Alienware laptop videos my m17 is arriving tomorrow and was wondering if I change the tcc will I void my warranty? I can’t find anything about it anywhere
@@MashITTech ok thanks, also in another video you undervolted it, should I also undervolt or just lower the tcc. I bought the 3060 model so it might run cooler and I won’t be upgrading for a couple of year will undercoating void the warranty?
Personally I put TCC at 10 which means a 90c throttle point instead of 100c and also undervolt that way I will rarely if ever even hit 90c but its nice to know TCC will protect it
I will be waiting for the next video bro to see how can I get max performance in this notebook, I was thinking to get the r3 but the r4 is almost the same price. So I am gonna go with the r4. But probably I play on low setting to get max fps and I will stream too, the heat does not bother me because I will be using a controller, but this heat can get the pc in trouble? Or this take few years to start getting some issues?
I have already completed that video, here you go: ruclips.net/video/1dFDmNBJPro/видео.html There is also a couple of other videos that go with it (undervolting and overclocking GPU) they are linked in that videos description. Dell are obviously confident that 100c is no problem for the CPU but I personally use a TCC of 10 to get it to throttle at 90c. That with a CPU undervolt will keep the laptop cooler without loosing any real performance. Take a look at them and hopefully it will allow you to get the best out of your system but I am always here if you have any questions 👍
I was looking up the temperature for cpu about the Alienware m15,17’s and they said that it’s totally fine and normal for the cpu to reach 100C. Is this true and will this cause damage if the cpu is at or around 100?
Nope! If you want to increase battery use throttlestop (I have a video on it) and undervolt the cpu and use a profile with lower clocks. Also turn the monitor to 60hz instead of 144 or 300
To fix over heating issues due to playing war zone all I did was lower the cpu power consumption on the pc power settings. Set it to 85% on both settings and after the change my temps went from 100c to about 67c. Huge difference and I can’t tell that the pc isn’t at full potential. I still run fans on full speed of course. Though I’d like to run them on something quieter. So should I go through the hassle of doing everything you’ve put in your videos ?
yes you should! throttle stop is a lot better than capping CPU, it means your CPU is running at a constant low speed so everything will be slower including level load times, apps launching. By using TS you can lower the individual multipliers so keep single core speeds high but multi threaded load low (so still low temps in gaming). Also undervolting makes a big difference
Hi, it won’t affect heat but it will affect battery by a lot. The 300hz screen is a much faster panel so if gaming is the priority get that, if you want an all round laptop with ok battery get the 144hz (it’s still not great)
It's a bit curious that for Warzone with TCC 15, the GPU frequency and wattage are higher while the GPU %use is lower and the GPU temp identical...what is exactly the GPU drawing more power for ?
@@MashITTech maybe there's a setting in nvidia cp to not have the gpu use as much wattage as it can if unnecessary, so GPU temp can go down. Would be interesting to also check with other games
@@MashITTech I'm in Canada, and there are two 144Hz screen options when buying the M17 R4: 17.3" FHD (1920x1080) 144Hz 7ms 300-nits 72% NTSC colour gamut. The second choice is the same, except it has GSYNC. I have the one with GSYNC. In NVIDIA Control Panel, under Manage 3D Settings, I have "Power management mode" which sounds something like Optimus.
I asked Dell about Optimus, and this is what they said: "Unfortunately not, our recent models are designed for high performance video settings, therefore, the battery life is limited. Other than the existing power saving options on the system, there isn't a special feature that allows you to lower the performance in exchange for battery life." "And no, none of the current laptop models include Nvidia Optimus. The last model to include it was the Alienware 17 r5 released in 2018. The current Alienware M series doesn't include it."
Ah, I see you already ran a sotr benchmark. Some people are saying we are supposed to get 125 average fps on the benchmark, but my fps, like yours, drops down to 80-90 at thar scene and I'm not sure why, and it makes the average fps about 107.
Sorry mate, I have been busy on a video. Yes we did that one. I can take a closer look. I will see what drivers we were using and if anything throttles at that point.
Hellooo !!!! I si love what u doooo ! I have a problème with my alienware m15 r4 with i7 10875, 32gb ram and 3080 16gb. When i play to gta 5 with Max graphisme, i was with 20/30 fps ans its not good for a 3080. U know what can i do to perform my alienware ?
I did a range of videos for the m15 to improve performance but it works exactly the same for your m17 as they are pretty much the same internally. This should help you: ruclips.net/video/1dFDmNBJPro/видео.html Once you have tweaked it, if you still get poor performance let me know and I will try and help you out. You can add me on insta and chat there if needs be 👍
@@MashITTech thank you yes I saw all your videos which are so clean and so perfect! the best youtubers in the world on the Alienware brand! you is unbeatable and so precise! Thanxx a lot i will do all that and if i still encounter performance oddities i will get back to you! and of course I'm going from this oas maboner to your instagram!
Sorry for some reason I only saw your last message. The fact it throttles in warzone on balanced mode was enough for me to run the tests. The point was just to see what effect TCC would have in normal use (hence balanced as that is how dell ship the laptop) obviously for those of us that tweak our machines there is so much more we can do to improve temps and performance but a fair number of people will buy a machine and just use it. I am putting together a m15/m17 performance tweaking guide to help people without the knowledge in this area to get the best from the machine
Why throttle? When gaming, I use cooling at full speed / Overclock 2 and my CPU/GPU sit below 60°C at all times playing COD. RTX 3080. I’d rather have my fans go out first than melting my laptop. So far 4 months and doing great. I’m also using a usb cooling pad, usb connected to a different power source. Great machine and enjoying it.
I went further than that...I liquid metaled mine, did some copper \ graphic pad mod along with copper adhesive. I also replaced the Thermal Pads with 12.8 W/ Wk and under volted the cpu. Righ now the CPU sits at 75C all cores and threads active above 4GHz and the GPU overclocked with +1000MHz memory and 2050 on core using MSI afterburner table it sits at 65C. This is what I expect out of the box but wheres the fun in that lol glad I did the mod and purchase
I really WANT to trust Dell and Intel that 100c is an acceptable ceiling, but it still scares the crap out of me. Enough so that the 10% performance gain (that I can’t even notice anyway) just isn’t worth it. TCC = 15 for me :)
It's rather funny because it's only competition, the GE76 Raider is running practically if not the exact same hardware (150watt tdp GTX3080, i7-10870H, 32GB of RAM) and yet has far superior temps. It's normal for an Alienware to overheat and die within a few years especially if you game a lot on it, their thermals (even desktops) are notoriously terrible. A lot of people say 100c is a safe ceiling, I beg to differ, keep a Laptop at that temp on the daily for 3-6 hours, and it's guaranteed it'll die in a couple years, that's the reality, Laptops were never built to be a desktop replacement, you can't keep them on consistently, especially at such a high temp, and expect them to last very long, that's unless it sounds like an F15 (hence the GE76's better temps and over all build quality, that thing is built to last).
Rob, Use the TCC offset and undervolt and you will run cooler and not loose any performance. I have a video on the way showing how to tweak the system for best mix of performance and temps. Mitrik, how many sustained watts does the MSI allow the CPU? I wonder if that could be part of the difference as Dell allow 105w to the CPU sustained, if you cap the wattage the temps fall drastically
@@MashITTech I am not currently certain of that, from all the footage I've seen regarding the GE76 Raider, rarely, even in higher demanding titles, do I ever see it running between 90c and 97c, something I've routinely seen Alienware laptops running. There is also the anti-consumer practice of soldering on the RAM, making any dead ram basically impossible for an average person to replace, and would most likely void the warranty. So if it isn't the ridiculous temps, it's the charred remains of the parts you literally can't replace without resoldering replacements back on. I currently don't own a GE76, I've been researching for the past few months since the announcements of the 3080 Laptops, and so far it's the only one with the most performance and cooling out of the lot. Also, it highly depends on which processor you have, the i9 runs a lot hotter than the i7 model regardless of what Laptop you buy, so it flatout might be due to this and poor thermals/build quality, something again is routine for Alienware. 10fps seems to be a pretty big difference by the way, I wouldn't call that small by any stretch, nor would I say you don't loose "any performance". There is one particular channel that has been releasing videos with the i7/32GB of RAM/3080(150) GE76 Raider, the benchmarks I've seen have completely blown this out of the way entirely. The channel goes by the name of "Geremoy", here's Shadow of the Tomb Raider: ruclips.net/video/BR8r0UJeLPI/видео.html - Mind you, this channel has been releasing a lot of content with this Laptop, across MANY games. I can't make my choice lightly, the amount of money I am spending requires a lot of research, and an incredibly difficult decision, I don't trust Dell, nor do I trust Alienware as a brand, and this video only serves as proof that they still haven't managed their thermals properly when others have done so much better.
@@mitrikgaduk347 In this video he is showing the m15 not the m17. The bigger model has better cooling probably similar to the ge76. And i never heard of alienware products that die after 1/2 years, i think your are confusing with razer.
Dell don't use the best paste but repasting this system is not for the feint hearted! you have to strip the motherboard out to get to the heatsink. If you haven't already make sure you undervolt (working on a video for people without experience) it gives you free extra performance and a cooler system for just a bit of your time :)
@@MashITTech I already UV core/cache to -0.150 :D im cool with this system don’t know why people are crying about heat problem I’m at 70-80 degrees while gaming Cod,R6 etc.
Ah great. I don't think people realise that some of the heat issues are because dell give us full power to the CPU and GPU, most other manufacturers cap the cpu at a much lower level to keep the temps in check. As an example razer cap the 10875h at 35w-45w in the razer blade so obviously it looks like the temps are good!
@@MashITTech thanks from germany for al That nice Alienware Videos. After a year i found for me the Best Option, to Play Games like warzone in 4K at stabel 80 fps with quiet fan noise at 66% and 64%. temp. of the cpu (its a I7 10870h) about 80-85 degrees with TCC at 15 + undervolt at -106 mv and set every core - 500mhz. so the cores works stabel at al Cores with 3.5-3.6 ghz. the Gpu is in my alienware M17 R4 a 16gb RTX 3080. i locked my nvidea at 80fps i dont need more, i do not realy See a difference between 100 an 80fps.
@@MashITTech do you know why i can change on my m17 R4 With FN + F7 (there is no Icon at the F7 Button) between my RTX 3080 or iGpu? I also have the 144hz g-Sync Version.
@@tobip7286 it is something alienware always advertised until about m17r2 then they changed the keyboard and removed the icon on the keyboard but kept the function working on certain configs. They have removed it completely now on the x series and m15 r5 onwards
It was purely down to the time constraints of the video, you could spend hours testing each of the 15 settins so I chose the lowest and highest to show the difference, obviously if you want to use TCC you can spend some time testing it and find the sweet spot for you.
If I were to use TCC for myself I would say the sweet spot would be an offset of 10 (so throttle point of 90c) that is a temperature I am comfortable with.
100c is very hot but within intel spec and Macs have been running at that for years. I still wouldn't want to run at that long term which is why I have been releasing the guides to tweak the m15/m17
@@MashITTech thanks for explaining this. Yeah seems like it would cause long term damage. I'm undecided on the alienware m17 r4 or the asus rog strix scar 17 but this is really handy to know how to throttle down with the alienware.
@@MashITTech wow thanks for the reply! Great videos btw. How about the 4K model? Does it’s battery perform better? Alternatively does lowering the 300hz to 60hz improve battery life? TIA
at taht point just use a 2060 i dunno lmao my legion 5 1660ti literally crushes my 2070 dell g7, stricly because of not being able to undervolt, and constant power limit throttling, and if its not power lim throttlin, its thermalin hahaha piece of junk man, my lenovo 1660ti is like 37 at idle like 70 gaming hardest shit in 1440p on medium settings getting like 100fps
I really appreciate your deep dives into the M17 R4. I want mine, when it gets here, to last a long time as well as perform at a high level. I plan on undervolting using your video as a guide. Thank you again!
TCC = 15 for me, it helped so much. I bought a brandnew M15R7 with i9 12900, the temperatures got too 100 Celcius very often. My laptop frozen a couple of times during gaming. But using what you showed here stopped that. Thank you!
it is cutting your performance so much, wouldn´t use it. Better to undervolt.
I was waiting for this comparison video. Nice 👌
Thanks mate 😊👍
I got my M17 R4 a few days ago and as soon as your videos drop I'm ecstatic.
Great quality content and can't wait for the future tweaking videos you mentioned.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks Ben, got a m17 vs m15 video next today then a m15 tweaking and undervolt video Monday 👍 I need more hours in the day to get all videos I want to complete for these laptops 😂 ps, how are you enjoying your m17? I have had to give my review unit back to dell, so gutted. Part of me wants to buy myself one but I am saving myself for a area 51m r3 if they ever update it!
@@MashITTech Take your time on the vids. The quality and information used in your content is fantastic.
I got myself the;
3080 gpu
32gb ram
i-9
360hz FHD screen
and I'm absolutely loving it. At the moment I'm putting it through its paces with Half Life: Alyx, running on the Quest 2 via virtual desktop and I'm losing my mind. Also really interesting to see my score and performance improve drastically on Counter Strike due to the high frames and 360hz screen. I didn't expect to feel and see such a crazy difference straight away.
wow what a beast. my i7 with 3070 performed incredibly well so can't imagine how fast your 3080 is!
@@benstone2614 yooooo bro, I just ordered one too. Similar spec as yours except I went for i7 rather than i9. I wonder how long it will be delivered to me though, I live in London. I was so torn between the Razer Blade Pro 17 and this one, but since the Razer don't have stock at the moment, I decided to go with the Alienware, hopefully I won't regret about it!
@@MashITTech Hi David, I plan to use the laptop by connecting it to an external monitor most of the time, would there be any issue if we use this laptop close lid? I am not sure how important those holes are north of the keyboard. Could you consider to include this in your future review videos? I hardly see any reviewer talk about this. For other brands of laptops as well. Right now only Razer has HDMI 2.1 in their laptops which actually make them so much more future proof, but people seem to hardly appreciate this...
RECEIVED MY M17 R4 LAPTOP 4 DAYS AGO!!!
32GB RAM
RTX 3080 16GB GDDR6
INTEL I7-10870H
FHD 360HZ
Brilliant! How are you getting on with it?
@@MashITTech great really cool laptop this is my first gaming laptop and I get it for 2655 us dollar (1,914.20 pound) but you said that it is 2500 pound for 3070... Why uk is expensive??
is that lunar light?
@@kurtiziii_gaming yes, there isn't 360hz option with dark side of the moon
That is the joys of living in Rip Off Britain :( we pay high taxes and for some reason companies seem to use $1 to £1 :(
I love your reviews.
Thanks so much 😀
This is such a great video! Thank you!!!
Also, it looks like with TCC at 15 ... it might be bottlenecking the GPU. I see that GPU utilization % is very low compared to without TCC. Just something to lookout for.
Thanks Daniel, yes you are right it does. If you look at my channel videos I have also done a few more tweaking videos where I also undervolt, overclock the GPU and use a TCC of 10 and between the three tweaks I get great performance ( I used an M15 for reference as it has the worst cooling).
I ordered a m17 r4 a couple weeks ago so I'm very thankful for the work you are putting in to help keep my overpriced investment as long as possible. Thank you
Haha happy to help. Doing an undervolt and tweaking video next so that will help you get more from the system whilst dropping the temps 👍
I'm subscribed and I'll keep checking back
I left a comment on a different video asking for this! but I found it :) Thanks! definitely subscribed
Ah good glad you found it. I made a few videos with tweaks, if you have any questions just ask away 😀👍
@@MashITTech Have you tried cyberpunk 2077 with the undervolt set to 85c for temps? if not no worries. just seems like a demanding game!
sorry I never bought cyberpunk
I've found that once you get the undervolting, fan curves, and everything else straightened out, you can get pretty much full performance with temps in the 70s, low 80's at most, so tcc adjustment isn't really a factor. I leave the tcc at 10 or 15 just in case
What are the best fan curves?
What undervolt settings do you use?
Another great vid. What do you use to show cpu/gpu stats while playing?
I use msi afterburner with rivatuner built in. I will show you how to set it up in my tuning video which should be out tomorrow :)
Love your reviews
Thank you Cindy 😊
Why wouldn't Alienware do the configuration you speak of? Do they not want you to have longevity of your machine? I just purchased the 3080 variant so obviously I will be playing more CPU heavy triple A titles as I am sure anyone else would with any 30 series GPU to be honest. Seems a little odd they don't ship it factory with the voltage tweaking you mentioned.
I understand that by using TCC I'm underclocking the system - what about undervolting it with Throttlestop? Is it worth it over TCC? Or should I use a combination of both?
Ah! I see you have a video about that :) ruclips.net/video/SYWkheY6x4g/видео.html
Appreciate the video!
This didn’t have the Minecraft benchmark but that’s completely fine! Amazing video!
Yeah sorry, this was all shot yesterday we just finished editing it. No craft should be Monday when Gary brings it into the office 👍
My area 51m r2 I7 10700 hits 4.6ghz stick around mid 70s to low 80s. Love my laptop. Paired with an Rtx 2070 super, and it chews threw games.
Hi Zach, I reviewed that exact config last year and ended up being my favourite gaming laptop of 2020! I am waiting for the 51m r3 (if dell ever release it!) to buy one for myself. I know if it doesn't release soon I am going to crack and order an r2 as I hated handing that review unit back :(
@@MashITTech Yea for sure, and Same here.
The last couple of laptops I've had were alright, but were nothing compared the r2. Hope you can get a r3, but even with an r2 You would have plenty of performance!
How would you say the longevity of the laptop would be running TCC compared to running the fans at high speed? Thanks, great video!
TCC would win out over the fans at high speed just because fans can fail (although unlikely). Undervolting is also another great way to increase performance and decrease temps and I am working on a video for that now
Is it possible to undervolt m15r4 with 1.3.1 bios update or is dissable? Need i to downgrade bios to use trottlestop? Because the changes i made didnt save at all.
Great review as always.
Thank you Gem 😃
One thing that in this video caught me off guard was the bios menu. I assumed that all dell devices now use the new graphic UEFI solutions. Is it only the visuals or does the functionality differ? Could you pleas elaborate on this? :))
The Alienware still the traditional BIOS, it doesn't really make any difference though, all the options you would expect are still there
The fans were set to balanced at both tests right??
Waiting for the undervolting video as I want that extra performance for rendering..
Thanks for the video again!..🌷❤
Yes, I set them to balanced as that was the best way to show the effects of TCC as it allows the cpu 105w but doesn't ramp the fans up. I could have switched it to performance and there would have been slightly better performance but at the cost of a noisier system.
And, yep having an evening off but will be working on that one tomorrow :)
In depth thermal/performance testing please.with undervolt etc
Yep, I am working on that and a gameplay video next. Will probably be Monday night by the time I have finished testing and editing
Hi loving the Alienware laptop videos my m17 is arriving tomorrow and was wondering if I change the tcc will I void my warranty? I can’t find anything about it anywhere
No you won’t. This is a tool provided by alienware and will actually improve longevity of your machines by running at cooler temps
@@MashITTech ok thanks, also in another video you undervolted it, should I also undervolt or just lower the tcc. I bought the 3060 model so it might run cooler and I won’t be upgrading for a couple of year will undercoating void the warranty?
Personally I put TCC at 10 which means a 90c throttle point instead of 100c and also undervolt that way I will rarely if ever even hit 90c but its nice to know TCC will protect it
Amazing video
amazing content +1 sub
I will be waiting for the next video bro to see how can I get max performance in this notebook, I was thinking to get the r3 but the r4 is almost the same price. So I am gonna go with the r4. But probably I play on low setting to get max fps and I will stream too, the heat does not bother me because I will be using a controller, but this heat can get the pc in trouble? Or this take few years to start getting some issues?
I have already completed that video, here you go: ruclips.net/video/1dFDmNBJPro/видео.html
There is also a couple of other videos that go with it (undervolting and overclocking GPU) they are linked in that videos description.
Dell are obviously confident that 100c is no problem for the CPU but I personally use a TCC of 10 to get it to throttle at 90c. That with a CPU undervolt will keep the laptop cooler without loosing any real performance.
Take a look at them and hopefully it will allow you to get the best out of your system but I am always here if you have any questions 👍
I was looking up the temperature for cpu about the Alienware m15,17’s and they said that it’s totally fine and normal for the cpu to reach 100C. Is this true and will this cause damage if the cpu is at or around 100?
Well MacBooks have been running like this for years without issues so I guess it’s ok but I prefer it to be lower
I'm new to this stuff. Does this effect battery? Will my battery charge last longer using TCC if I leave my laptop unplugged?
Nope! If you want to increase battery use throttlestop (I have a video on it) and undervolt the cpu and use a profile with lower clocks. Also turn the monitor to 60hz instead of 144 or 300
To fix over heating issues due to playing war zone all I did was lower the cpu power consumption on the pc power settings. Set it to 85% on both settings and after the change my temps went from 100c to about 67c. Huge difference and I can’t tell that the pc isn’t at full potential. I still run fans on full speed of course. Though I’d like to run them on something quieter. So should I go through the hassle of doing everything you’ve put in your videos ?
yes you should! throttle stop is a lot better than capping CPU, it means your CPU is running at a constant low speed so everything will be slower including level load times, apps launching. By using TS you can lower the individual multipliers so keep single core speeds high but multi threaded load low (so still low temps in gaming). Also undervolting makes a big difference
@@MashITTech what video would you recommend for the best settings in throttle stop ?
They had a screen option at 144 mhz with optimus vs a 300 mz without. Would that affect heat? Would that affect battery life?
Hi, it won’t affect heat but it will affect battery by a lot. The 300hz screen is a much faster panel so if gaming is the priority get that, if you want an all round laptop with ok battery get the 144hz (it’s still not great)
How do I activate the fans to get activated after an specific temperature?
It's a bit curious that for Warzone with TCC 15, the GPU frequency and wattage are higher while the GPU %use is lower and the GPU temp identical...what is exactly the GPU drawing more power for ?
Oh yes, that sounds a bit odd. I didn’t notice when I was editing but I will go and take another look
@@MashITTech maybe there's a setting in nvidia cp to not have the gpu use as much wattage as it can if unnecessary, so GPU temp can go down. Would be interesting to also check with other games
Yeah there are a couple of options I noticed in CP so I will look in more detail. Will be back in the office in a couple of hours so will look then :)
Hi, why that bios option doesn't apper on my m15 r2?
it was a new feature that they added on the r4 and now the new X series laptops. They didn't add them to older Alienwares :(
How does the Alienware m17 R4 3070 compare against Asus Scar 15 3080?
Any buying guidance?
I am sorry, I haven't managed to get any Asus laptops in this year, they are in short supply :(
@@MashITTech not a problem. Thanks anyway
Still cant downclock the cpu after intel bios update right? instead of using TCC id probably just downclock the cpu a little bit
You can down clock it with throttle stop which I also do along with an undervolt
How do you turn on Optimus? I have an M17 R4 with RTX3080 and 144Hz display, but can find the option in Nvidia control panel.. thanks!
Try pressing fn+f7
@@MashITTech Thanks for the reply! I tried that, but it didn't seem to do anything.
hmm that is odd, what region are you in? is there more than one 144hz screen option?
@@MashITTech I'm in Canada, and there are two 144Hz screen options when buying the M17 R4: 17.3" FHD (1920x1080) 144Hz 7ms 300-nits 72% NTSC colour gamut. The second choice is the same, except it has GSYNC. I have the one with GSYNC.
In NVIDIA Control Panel, under Manage 3D Settings, I have "Power management mode" which sounds something like Optimus.
I asked Dell about Optimus, and this is what they said:
"Unfortunately not, our recent models are designed for high performance video settings, therefore, the battery life is limited.
Other than the existing power saving options on the system, there isn't a special feature that allows you to lower the performance in exchange for battery life."
"And no, none of the current laptop models include Nvidia Optimus. The last model to include it was the Alienware 17 r5 released in 2018. The current Alienware M series doesn't include it."
I was getting around 95c on cpu for the msi ge76 .. i set the tcc offset to 15 and now i am at 86c max .. performance is the same but more colder
Don't have the tcc line in the advance on the bios ,just fan performance.
what can i do ?
What model do you have?
@@MashITTech alienware m15 r2
If you wouldn't mind a video removing raid 0 the few videos I've found were over 6 years old.
Yes I can certainly knock that up for you 👍
Does that bear have a tag behind its ear?
Is this running the rtx 3070 or 3080 gpu?
It was a 3070 :)
Ah, I see you already ran a sotr benchmark. Some people are saying we are supposed to get 125 average fps on the benchmark, but my fps, like yours, drops down to 80-90 at thar scene and I'm not sure why, and it makes the average fps about 107.
Sorry mate, I have been busy on a video. Yes we did that one. I can take a closer look. I will see what drivers we were using and if anything throttles at that point.
@@MashITTech any updates? :)
Is there a way to get this tcc bios update on a m15 r1 or r2 ?
unfortunately not, they would need to add this into the BIOS which I don't think Dell will invest any time in
Hellooo !!!! I si love what u doooo ! I have a problème with my alienware m15 r4 with i7 10875, 32gb ram and 3080 16gb. When i play to gta 5 with Max graphisme, i was with 20/30 fps ans its not good for a 3080. U know what can i do to perform my alienware ?
I did a range of videos for the m15 to improve performance but it works exactly the same for your m17 as they are pretty much the same internally. This should help you: ruclips.net/video/1dFDmNBJPro/видео.html
Once you have tweaked it, if you still get poor performance let me know and I will try and help you out. You can add me on insta and chat there if needs be 👍
@@MashITTech thank you yes I saw all your videos which are so clean and so perfect! the best youtubers in the world on the Alienware brand! you is unbeatable and so precise! Thanxx a lot i will do all that and if i still encounter performance oddities i will get back to you! and of course I'm going from this oas maboner to your instagram!
Also can I set TCC to say 10?
Yes, 10 is what I use, it throttles at 90c which is my preferred level
Thanks for the help and info!
maybe you should make a second profile for throttlestop for when it hits 100 degrees? also you can set temperature limits there.
oh and if you want hot cpu temperatures, play cpu based games like assassins creed, anno 1800, hunt showdown, etc.
and why do you use balanced mode?
Yes, this was the point I made at the end of the video 😀 I have a follow video coming showing how to do it as a lot of people have asked
@@MashITTech cool!
Sorry for some reason I only saw your last message. The fact it throttles in warzone on balanced mode was enough for me to run the tests. The point was just to see what effect TCC would have in normal use (hence balanced as that is how dell ship the laptop) obviously for those of us that tweak our machines there is so much more we can do to improve temps and performance but a fair number of people will buy a machine and just use it. I am putting together a m15/m17 performance tweaking guide to help people without the knowledge in this area to get the best from the machine
Why throttle? When gaming, I use cooling at full speed / Overclock 2 and my CPU/GPU sit below 60°C at all times playing COD. RTX 3080. I’d rather have my fans go out first than melting my laptop. So far 4 months and doing great. I’m also using a usb cooling pad, usb connected to a different power source. Great machine and enjoying it.
thats good news for me im getting this laptop delivered soon
I went further than that...I liquid metaled mine, did some copper \ graphic pad mod along with copper adhesive. I also replaced the Thermal Pads with 12.8 W/ Wk and under volted the cpu. Righ now the CPU sits at 75C all cores and threads active above 4GHz and the GPU overclocked with +1000MHz memory and 2050 on core using MSI afterburner table it sits at 65C. This is what I expect out of the box but wheres the fun in that lol glad I did the mod and purchase
Do you prefer TCC or undervolt using Throttlestop?
TCC if you cant be bothered to muck around but personally I use throttlestop as you get much more control :)
@@MashITTech Thanks
what if you do both?
I really WANT to trust Dell and Intel that 100c is an acceptable ceiling, but it still scares the crap out of me. Enough so that the 10% performance gain (that I can’t even notice anyway) just isn’t worth it. TCC = 15 for me :)
It's rather funny because it's only competition, the GE76 Raider is running practically if not the exact same hardware (150watt tdp GTX3080, i7-10870H, 32GB of RAM) and yet has far superior temps. It's normal for an Alienware to overheat and die within a few years especially if you game a lot on it, their thermals (even desktops) are notoriously terrible. A lot of people say 100c is a safe ceiling, I beg to differ, keep a Laptop at that temp on the daily for 3-6 hours, and it's guaranteed it'll die in a couple years, that's the reality, Laptops were never built to be a desktop replacement, you can't keep them on consistently, especially at such a high temp, and expect them to last very long, that's unless it sounds like an F15 (hence the GE76's better temps and over all build quality, that thing is built to last).
Rob, Use the TCC offset and undervolt and you will run cooler and not loose any performance. I have a video on the way showing how to tweak the system for best mix of performance and temps.
Mitrik, how many sustained watts does the MSI allow the CPU? I wonder if that could be part of the difference as Dell allow 105w to the CPU sustained, if you cap the wattage the temps fall drastically
@@MashITTech awesome!! Looking forward to the vid!
@@MashITTech I am not currently certain of that, from all the footage I've seen regarding the GE76 Raider, rarely, even in higher demanding titles, do I ever see it running between 90c and 97c, something I've routinely seen Alienware laptops running. There is also the anti-consumer practice of soldering on the RAM, making any dead ram basically impossible for an average person to replace, and would most likely void the warranty. So if it isn't the ridiculous temps, it's the charred remains of the parts you literally can't replace without resoldering replacements back on.
I currently don't own a GE76, I've been researching for the past few months since the announcements of the 3080 Laptops, and so far it's the only one with the most performance and cooling out of the lot. Also, it highly depends on which processor you have, the i9 runs a lot hotter than the i7 model regardless of what Laptop you buy, so it flatout might be due to this and poor thermals/build quality, something again is routine for Alienware. 10fps seems to be a pretty big difference by the way, I wouldn't call that small by any stretch, nor would I say you don't loose "any performance".
There is one particular channel that has been releasing videos with the i7/32GB of RAM/3080(150) GE76 Raider, the benchmarks I've seen have completely blown this out of the way entirely. The channel goes by the name of "Geremoy", here's Shadow of the Tomb Raider: ruclips.net/video/BR8r0UJeLPI/видео.html - Mind you, this channel has been releasing a lot of content with this Laptop, across MANY games. I can't make my choice lightly, the amount of money I am spending requires a lot of research, and an incredibly difficult decision, I don't trust Dell, nor do I trust Alienware as a brand, and this video only serves as proof that they still haven't managed their thermals properly when others have done so much better.
@@mitrikgaduk347
In this video he is showing the m15 not the m17.
The bigger model has better cooling probably similar to the ge76.
And i never heard of alienware products that die after 1/2 years, i think your are confusing with razer.
Will they release this Bios for the R2?
I will ask alienware if they are planning to
try with a custom cooling base, i got -15°, in my alienware 14
Custom??? How is that?? Con you clarify, put some link please!!
@@TheSebaslete make it youre own base
@@ramonespinoza7661 boom... good idea.. do you have some picture for reference??
@@TheSebaslete He has no idea what hes talking about lol wouldnt be suprised if hes straight up lying
I will repaste my CPU and gpu next week , I read that dell don’t use good paste
Dell don't use the best paste but repasting this system is not for the feint hearted! you have to strip the motherboard out to get to the heatsink. If you haven't already make sure you undervolt (working on a video for people without experience) it gives you free extra performance and a cooler system for just a bit of your time :)
@@MashITTech I already UV core/cache to -0.150 :D im cool with this system don’t know why people are crying about heat problem I’m at 70-80 degrees while gaming Cod,R6 etc.
@@MashITTech but i will look your video for sure maybe I will get better performance/temps.
Ah great. I don't think people realise that some of the heat issues are because dell give us full power to the CPU and GPU, most other manufacturers cap the cpu at a much lower level to keep the temps in check. As an example razer cap the 10875h at 35w-45w in the razer blade so obviously it looks like the temps are good!
@@MashITTech yes that’s why, when I cap TDP of CPU to 45-55Watt I get 65-75 degrees that’s not hot for that machine.
What about set tcc to 15 and undervolt like -85?
Sounds good as long as you test for stability 👍
@@MashITTech thanks from germany for al That nice Alienware Videos. After a year i found for me the Best Option, to Play Games like warzone in 4K at stabel 80 fps with quiet fan noise at 66% and 64%. temp. of the cpu (its a I7 10870h) about 80-85 degrees with TCC at 15 + undervolt at -106 mv and set every core - 500mhz. so the cores works stabel at al Cores with 3.5-3.6 ghz. the Gpu is in my alienware M17 R4 a 16gb RTX 3080. i locked my nvidea at 80fps i dont need more, i do not realy See a difference between 100 an 80fps.
@@MashITTech do you know why i can change on my m17 R4 With FN + F7 (there is no Icon at the F7 Button) between my RTX 3080 or iGpu? I also have the 144hz g-Sync Version.
@@tobip7286 it is something alienware always advertised until about m17r2 then they changed the keyboard and removed the icon on the keyboard but kept the function working on certain configs. They have removed it completely now on the x series and m15 r5 onwards
Does graphics card affect temperature
Yes it will especially if you choose the 3080 which has the highest TGP
Does the M15 R1 also have TCC?
I will check with alienware but I don’t think it has it yet
@@MashITTech thx does it will come available in the future for the M15 R1?
Why not test the in between settings?
It was purely down to the time constraints of the video, you could spend hours testing each of the 15 settins so I chose the lowest and highest to show the difference, obviously if you want to use TCC you can spend some time testing it and find the sweet spot for you.
@@MashITTech I was just curious if there was a sweet spot for under volting.
If I were to use TCC for myself I would say the sweet spot would be an offset of 10 (so throttle point of 90c) that is a temperature I am comfortable with.
@@MashITTech Awesome, thanks for the info.
Is this available in M15 R5 .
No, not on the Ryzen. If you check my m15r5 deep dive video I use another tool called ryzen controller that does a similar job 👍
Can the setting be higher than 15? how about 20?
Nope, 15 is the maximum offset which is why we chose to test it. 85 is a good throttle point though, I am not sure I would want to go lower.
try use Throttlestop?
Option -> PROCHOT Offset-> set 20
Hi, why that bios option doesn't apper on my m15 r2?
Isn't 100c really bad? That's over 200 F! That just sounds bad I never released they run this hot
100c is very hot but within intel spec and Macs have been running at that for years. I still wouldn't want to run at that long term which is why I have been releasing the guides to tweak the m15/m17
@@MashITTech thanks for explaining this. Yeah seems like it would cause long term damage. I'm undecided on the alienware m17 r4 or the asus rog strix scar 17 but this is really handy to know how to throttle down with the alienware.
That’s weird. My 10870h throttles at 72c with 0 tcc while playing metro exodus, but cinebench scores are constant at 4000 with multiple tests.
really, that sounds odd, what is it throttling down to?
@@MashITTech it throttles down to 3ghz in game, I can’t get the cpu to get over 90C with cinebench either, even after a lot of tests.
That's weird! are you on cool or quiet profile by any chance?
@@MashITTech Nope! I checked everything and no software seems to be limiting my performance.
I have to be honest I am a bit stumped. It doesn't make sense if your temps are good.
my cpu and gpu gaming sits around 80 degree's.
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Have they improved the battery life while surfing the web? 2 hours is disgraceful.
thats with the 300hz screen! if you buy the 144hz with advanced optimus its more like 6-7 hours light use
@@MashITTech wow thanks for the reply! Great videos btw.
How about the 4K model? Does it’s battery perform better?
Alternatively does lowering the 300hz to 60hz improve battery life?
TIA
@@MashITTech so is it not worth to get 300 hz
Metro exodus 🤔, Doom Ethernal maybe .. thanks
Think I might have doom in my library, will see what I can do
@@MashITTech Thanks so mch.
I'm afraid I don't have this option for my R3 (have latest bios from March too)
No, they seem to have only released it for the r4 at the moment. I hope they roll it out to other models too
xd i have alienware laptop to but im not reach 70C whit the cpu in cod
Well that sounds good! Are you in quiet mode
at taht point just use a 2060 i dunno lmao my legion 5 1660ti literally crushes my 2070 dell g7, stricly because of not being able to undervolt, and constant power limit throttling, and if its not power lim throttlin, its thermalin hahaha piece of junk man, my lenovo 1660ti is like 37 at idle like 70 gaming hardest shit in 1440p on medium settings getting like 100fps
I want m17 r4 with 3070 😭😭😭
Its a fantastic machine!
So imma just go ahead and waste an insane amount of money on this shit, let's see how it goes lol
Haha hope you enjoy it 😀👍
@@MashITTech Ahaha i hope so too, i just hope i can get around the temperatures
You can, a good undervolt and change the tcc value and you are sorted 😀
Turn off motion blurr KID.
I usually do, must have forgotten. Wow I must be the oldest kid out there!