First of all, if you're going to analyze the situation, display and assess the rules leading to the violation. Second, wtf does his finances have to do with the situation? You are digging and reaching at straws with this, so stop the bullsh@t.
He made a video explaining the whole thing from a point of view that most of us wouldn't even think about. He didn't say it's ok to drop the fbombs cause of that.
You’re missing the context where he got a time violation previously for coughing before serving which is where the incident really started and where the problems started. The umpire completely ignored him when he tried talking to him at the changeover about that prior incident. Pretty big miss to cover the whole context of that outside of focusing on the livelihood aspect.
@@Mosh-f5bI agree he still shouldn’t have, but he’s not giving the full context which changes the overall perception and reality of the situation. Missing context is a big gap as to how it’s reported and perceived by the viewers. Big miss in my opinion and doesn’t consider all factors, instead of just focusing on “livelihood”
True although the coughing looked just as half assed as the fake ball toss. But the ump was sort of a prick too and a stickler with the shot clock. The first warning was already unnecessary.
I had always thought he is a decent easy-going dude. They snap if they don't get special treatment. Opponent has no livelihood? This is why these people get no respect.
He was clearly trying to be the smart a** with that “toss” and he knows it. Under the adrenaline and pressure of the moment he showed his real self. Apologies are not sincere. Too late for that.
Rule states player must initiate their service motion before the shot clock hits zero… he tossed the ball so Frances did nothing wrong… You cannot leave that rule to interpretation because now the umpire can make those judgements if they do not like a player
Keep in mind top 10-30 players make about the same amount of money from sponsors as from tournaments. So thats about 24M over 9 years. Even if he spends 2M per year to cover coaching and tournament operations costs (which as you say is way overpaying). Hes still taking home 400k profit from each year the past 9 years and thats mostly after cost of living expenses.
As you alluded to, the "total prize money" doesn't include endorsements and sponsorships (which usually dwarfs the prize money amount). I doubt we'll see Tiafoe receiving food stamps any time soon. Don't cry for him.
Tiafoe was definitely wrong. Even though several top players have complained about the umpires at this tournament. Tiafoe by his own admission was out of order. He took accountability unlike some of the other pros who displayed worse behavior. However, Tiafoe should be heavily fined and maybe suspended for at least a month. I like Tiafoe but the rules are the rules
Exactly they can't have it both ways the rules need to be across the board even for everyone the Umpire shouldn't get to pick which players they give a pass and which ones they don't
I didn't watch the whole match...but was there some bad calls earlier that caused him to react this way? Think we should focus on why he got angry and not the livelihood thingy.....'livelihood' was said in the moment of anger.....just my thots
Yep i watched the match and there were two previous time violation calls as well as a code violation for ball abuse. Frances was clearly dealing with some issues but I thought the ump was a bit of a prick too. Frances was agitated after losing the 2nd set and adressed the ump who was just ignoring him. A guy like Layani would've tried to defuse the situation. The automated shot clock is stupid because it prevents the umpires from showing their feel for the game.
Sources are always anonymous to the end user, but not to reporter disseminating the information. And when the single source is someone on the very inside that's all that's needed. You can believe it or not, that's your choice.
Frances was right though. That IS the rule. Umpire didn't follow the rules. At THE most pivotal part of the match, he loses a VITAL first serve, loses a hard fought 6-5 point and then gets aced. I am FULLY behind Frances with his "outburst". The umpire cost him. Umpire should be suspended.
Even as a player, he's not that great, not a single slam won, even atp 1000 or 250s, I don't know if he's won any, but regardless, as a person he's rotten to the core, I hope they ban him, I also saw how he deliberately tried to hit Roger at the Laver Cup 23, on Roger's last match, totally classless bum.
Great video breakdown, as you mentioned, there is something else brewing behind his blowout that is causing him stress, I agree that potentially Tiafoe has fallen into the live bigger than his career winnings allow
It seems many players are burned out after 10 months and US Open. Also, he gets sponsors, but he’s an LLC or however he’s set up his small business. so he pays high Taxes and SS in US. So figure half of earnings are immediately gone.
These athletes lavish lifestyles are always being discussed but not the hard work to get there. The athletes have coaching, travel, training and other expenses but can’t they deduct them from their taxes? Then they would need a bookkeeper, or an accountant. It should all be tax deductible.
Awesome content. In any other job, you’d be fired for this behaviour. Just because the umpire the umpire can do his job better than Tiafoe can do his, it doesn’t warrant this entitlement and abuse. Seems like Tiafoe is ****ing himself here.
Sorry I still wouldn't class him like Rublev. Rublev has mental issues, Tiafoe just had a blow out with the stupid umpire! Heck look what Meds does from time to time. Smacks his racket at the umpire chair
@@35enjoylife right after he swore at the umpire or right before the end of day, after he saw people weren’t supportive of his outburst? Because there’s a difference
Tiafo was off the line but nothing to be dramatic about it cos he did not hurt anybody. On the other hand Kyrgios has a mean behaviour and enjoys it . He should be punished.
They didn't ban Kyrios and he has done far worse. There are many players that have behaved horribly. I am not saying Francis shouldn't be fined and possibly a month or two suspension, but a year is ridiculous.
Umpire was wrong in saying, i am not buying this. Rules are not for umpire or player to buy. A fake ball toss is a ball toss, Rules don’t mention anything about a fake ball toss, so time violation does not make sense here. I am not even a tiafoe fan and i think umpire was wrong here
Sports rules are not the same as laws. They are designed to ensure fairness, and when a player exploits a rule in bad faith, umpires absolutely have the discretion to uphold the integrity of the game and penalize the offender. That’s exactly what he did, and it was the right call. I’m often critical of tennis umpires, but in this instance, the umpire acted appropriately to prevent the exploitation of the rules.
@@TK-Tennis That just means rules have loophole to exploit. The rules need to be fixed then, player exploiting loophole at the 3rd set tiedbreaker for at best a few extra seconds is not ensuring fairness. I found the umpire's calls correct for other 2 controversial instances yesterday but this does not seem to be done for ensuring fairness
Well the umpire is a judge, so it is for him to buy things. We have to remember that there is another player to consider at the other end of the court who is affected by such decisions.
Read the actual rule. The time clock stops when "the ball is struck" not when the player tosses the ball in the air. To be reasonable, umpires usually stop the clock when a player starts their service motion, even before the ball is struck, and that includes instances of faulty ball tosses when the serve is then aborted, but this is a concession they don't have to make. In this case, it wasn't even a legitimate start of service motion. If a simple ball toss stopped the clock (and it doesn't, read the rule) the player could simply take the ball from the ball kid, immediately toss it in the air, and then take as long as they liked to catch their breath before the next serve. They can't and the umpire is not buying a completely BS claim that they can.
@errolmclaughlin1482 I'd like to think tennis has progressed over the last 40 years. These guys will only do what they get away with. Ban them for the next slam and watch the behaviour improve across the board
If his finances were so tight, then why act like a ten year old and get fined? Ddon't try to "play" the rules with a false ball toss - he didn't even take his racket back. Act like a real man, a decent human being, act like a Japanese man or a Canadian, instead of acting like the convicted woman beater Krygos? How does suspension or fines help you finances. Like Dainchikichi said below - i'm a Taifoe fan, but that is disgusting behavior.
I am only suggesting this outburst and his comment "may" be related to his financial situation, I'm certainly not defending his actions. People act out in various manners due to stress and it was a very bad look for him and it was disgusting this was done in front of kids and fans.
sorry but this is terrible analysis. Tennis pros at the top 50 level make about 40-70% margin on their earnings. I.e. revenue - liabilities. The range depends on their lifestyle. Federer is documented at about 68% since he is extremely efficient and brings in tons of sponsorship. Tiafoe i suspect is probably 40-45%. So 12M * 0.4 is aroud 5M - 30% taxes which is 3.5M net savings going into his bank account for 9 years. Thats equivalent to a person SAVING about 388k a year for 9 fing years. The guy has no right to get angry like that. He needs to be banned from the sport.
I never suggested there are not margins of profit after expenses (and don't forget the agent fees from earnings and sponsorships). Margins don't equate to net worth as the margins are often spent on girlfriends, siblings, parents, friends, luxuries, bad investments and the like. There are countless of athletes who have earned many multiples more than Tiafoe that have went broke from living lifestyles they cannot afford. With all that said, even "if" he is fighting for his livelihood we agree he should be held accountable for this highly unprofessional outburst that is against the players code of conduct.
@@irshviralvideo I have as well and you are right, but he's far from the only one. There is a large group of the top players who egos far exceed their accomplishments i.e. Zverev, Tiafoe, Tsitsipas, Shelton, Rune to name some key offenders. Luckily there is a larger group of elite players who understand the value of being humble i.e Sinner, Alcaraz, Ruud, de Minaur, Fritz, Ruud and of course Rafa.
@@TK-Tennis while I do like your breakdown of his finances, Frances is not the type of player ( top 20) who I can be sorry for financially. He makes a lot of money in prize money and endorsements to have a very comfortable lifestyle. I’m much more sympathetic to the lower ranked players toiling in the 250s and the ITF/Challenger tourneys that make a tiny fraction of what a player like Frances makes, have a lot less perks, but still have a lot of the same expenses that you mentioned. Those are the players who really sacrifice their livelihoods to play the sport. Concerning his outburst, it’s regrettable, he apologized, he’ll probably be heavily fined for it, and it’s time to move on.
I think he is a rude person and should be banned to play professionally again. And yes he in one year get a lloot of money much more than me in my all life. So trying to justify somehow this behavior is simply ridiculous.
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First of all, if you're going to analyze the situation, display and assess the rules leading to the violation. Second, wtf does his finances have to do with the situation? You are digging and reaching at straws with this, so stop the bullsh@t.
He made a video explaining the whole thing from a point of view that most of us wouldn't even think about.
He didn't say it's ok to drop the fbombs cause of that.
Francisco, is that you?
You’re missing the context where he got a time violation previously for coughing before serving which is where the incident really started and where the problems started. The umpire completely ignored him when he tried talking to him at the changeover about that prior incident.
Pretty big miss to cover the whole context of that outside of focusing on the livelihood aspect.
Still shouldn't react like that
@@Mosh-f5bI agree he still shouldn’t have, but he’s not giving the full context which changes the overall perception and reality of the situation. Missing context is a big gap as to how it’s reported and perceived by the viewers. Big miss in my opinion and doesn’t consider all factors, instead of just focusing on “livelihood”
Good point.
Totally agree 100% got to quit giving half-assed stories
True although the coughing looked just as half assed as the fake ball toss. But the ump was sort of a prick too and a stickler with the shot clock. The first warning was already unnecessary.
I had always thought he is a decent easy-going dude. They snap if they don't get special treatment. Opponent has no livelihood? This is why these people get no respect.
Kind of lost me what do you mean these people😅
@@35enjoylifeyep. Ridiculous comment
He’s not better than this.
Lol. My thoughts exactly.
McEnroe's biggest ever fine was 17,500 in 1987. In today's dollars that's 48k...
I'd have been pissed too.
He was clearly trying to be the smart a** with that “toss” and he knows it. Under the adrenaline and pressure of the moment he showed his real self. Apologies are not sincere. Too late for that.
Rule states player must initiate their service motion before the shot clock hits zero… he tossed the ball so Frances did nothing wrong…
You cannot leave that rule to interpretation because now the umpire can make those judgements if they do not like a player
@@coachvctennisshut up you are wrong
The real question is: why were only about 35 people in the audience? this is supposed to be a major event.
I take it you're not familiar with the Asian swing.
because is China
Thank you ! Good work.. I feel for Tiafoe but he was wrong .. clearly. Lets wait for the verdict
Keep in mind top 10-30 players make about the same amount of money from sponsors as from tournaments. So thats about 24M over 9 years. Even if he spends 2M per year to cover coaching and tournament operations costs (which as you say is way overpaying). Hes still taking home 400k profit from each year the past 9 years and thats mostly after cost of living expenses.
As you alluded to, the "total prize money" doesn't include endorsements and sponsorships (which usually dwarfs the prize money amount). I doubt we'll see Tiafoe receiving food stamps any time soon. Don't cry for him.
He did that toss on purpose to get more time, he got found out , and he lost the match because of his own stupidity
After what happened to Shapo against Shelton when he swore at a fan I wonder what they will do to Foe .
Tiafoe was definitely wrong. Even though several top players have complained about the umpires at this tournament. Tiafoe by his own admission was out of order. He took accountability unlike some of the other pros who displayed worse behavior. However, Tiafoe should be heavily fined and maybe suspended for at least a month. I like Tiafoe but the rules are the rules
The umpire was wrong in calling him out 👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽
The truth is the level of these umpires is getting worse.... Please for better analysis you could show all the context. What happens before?
Exactly they can't have it both ways the rules need to be across the board even for everyone the Umpire shouldn't get to pick which players they give a pass and which ones they don't
The " Big Fo(e)ol".
He outdid Johnny Mac for sure. Impressive.
I didn't watch the whole match...but was there some bad calls earlier that caused him to react this way? Think we should focus on why he got angry and not the livelihood thingy.....'livelihood' was said in the moment of anger.....just my thots
Yep i watched the match and there were two previous time violation calls as well as a code violation for ball abuse. Frances was clearly dealing with some issues but I thought the ump was a bit of a prick too. Frances was agitated after losing the 2nd set and adressed the ump who was just ignoring him. A guy like Layani would've tried to defuse the situation. The automated shot clock is stupid because it prevents the umpires from showing their feel for the game.
A single anonymous source isn't really good journalism.
Sources are always anonymous to the end user, but not to reporter disseminating the information. And when the single source is someone on the very inside that's all that's needed. You can believe it or not, that's your choice.
Frances was right though. That IS the rule. Umpire didn't follow the rules. At THE most pivotal part of the match, he loses a VITAL first serve, loses a hard fought 6-5 point and then gets aced. I am FULLY behind Frances with his "outburst". The umpire cost him. Umpire should be suspended.
I really like Francis as a player but that behavior is ridiculous and unacceptable.
There weren't many fans, but I did see a few kids which makes this that much more egregious
It's actually funny how the crowd Cracks up when he starts swearing
Even as a player, he's not that great, not a single slam won, even atp 1000 or 250s, I don't know if he's won any, but regardless, as a person he's rotten to the core, I hope they ban him, I also saw how he deliberately tried to hit Roger at the Laver Cup 23, on Roger's last match, totally classless bum.
Great video breakdown, as you mentioned, there is something else brewing behind his blowout that is causing him stress, I agree that potentially Tiafoe has fallen into the live bigger than his career winnings allow
It seems many players are burned out after 10 months and US Open. Also, he gets sponsors, but he’s an LLC or however he’s set up his small business. so he pays high Taxes and SS in US. So figure half of earnings are immediately gone.
These athletes lavish lifestyles are always being discussed but not the hard work to get there. The athletes have coaching, travel, training and other expenses but can’t they deduct them from their taxes? Then they would need a bookkeeper, or an accountant. It should all be tax deductible.
Taxes eat up your money too!!
Taxes too whichever country you play in.
Your pro player / match analysis is definitely better than your review of obscure random strings.....
Awesome content. In any other job, you’d be fired for this behaviour. Just because the umpire the umpire can do his job better than Tiafoe can do his, it doesn’t warrant this entitlement and abuse. Seems like Tiafoe is ****ing himself here.
I’m a Tiafoe fan here but he was wrong! Can’t act like Rublev, he’s better than this.
I agree I also noticed he apologized right after
Sorry I still wouldn't class him like Rublev. Rublev has mental issues, Tiafoe just had a blow out with the stupid umpire! Heck look what Meds does from time to time. Smacks his racket at the umpire chair
Clearly better. Convinced me after the first 3 f bombs 😂
@@35enjoylife right after he swore at the umpire or right before the end of day, after he saw people weren’t supportive of his outburst? Because there’s a difference
@@gabrielaradu5800 not trying to convince you. Please don't get it twisted😁
Tiafo was off the line but nothing to be dramatic about it cos he did not hurt anybody. On the other hand Kyrgios has a mean behaviour and enjoys it . He should be punished.
Still doesnt explain the outburst
He needs a child time out.
You know nothing about tennis. The first serve is the most moment in a match. This umpire has a chip on his shoulder.
refeeres interfering with sport is super annoying
I like Big Foe, but he needs to take less time between points or this nonsense will happen again. Hope he learned his lesson
He learned that from Serena.
STFU...you wish you had the grace, talent and professionalism of either of them.
Glad to see Serena is still on your mind😅
Should be banned for a year after that conduct. An embarrassment to sport, an embarrassment to MD.
No he's not an embarrassment to the sport and no he shouldn't be banned for a year
They didn't ban Kyrios and he has done far worse. There are many players that have behaved horribly. I am not saying Francis shouldn't be fined and possibly a month or two suspension, but a year is ridiculous.
@35enjoylife I also believe that an umpire knows too. Don’t get excited- just because Tiafoe is black. Calm down
Umpire was wrong in saying, i am not buying this. Rules are not for umpire or player to buy. A fake ball toss is a ball toss, Rules don’t mention anything about a fake ball toss, so time violation does not make sense here. I am not even a tiafoe fan and i think umpire was wrong here
Sports rules are not the same as laws. They are designed to ensure fairness, and when a player exploits a rule in bad faith, umpires absolutely have the discretion to uphold the integrity of the game and penalize the offender. That’s exactly what he did, and it was the right call. I’m often critical of tennis umpires, but in this instance, the umpire acted appropriately to prevent the exploitation of the rules.
@@TK-Tennis That just means rules have loophole to exploit. The rules need to be fixed then, player exploiting loophole at the 3rd set tiedbreaker for at best a few extra seconds is not ensuring fairness. I found the umpire's calls correct for other 2 controversial instances yesterday but this does not seem to be done for ensuring fairness
Well the umpire is a judge, so it is for him to buy things. We have to remember that there is another player to consider at the other end of the court who is affected by such decisions.
Read the actual rule. The time clock stops when "the ball is struck" not when the player tosses the ball in the air. To be reasonable, umpires usually stop the clock when a player starts their service motion, even before the ball is struck, and that includes instances of faulty ball tosses when the serve is then aborted, but this is a concession they don't have to make. In this case, it wasn't even a legitimate start of service motion. If a simple ball toss stopped the clock (and it doesn't, read the rule) the player could simply take the ball from the ball kid, immediately toss it in the air, and then take as long as they liked to catch their breath before the next serve. They can't and the umpire is not buying a completely BS claim that they can.
@@remycallie nice additional context 👍
Your reporting hearsay as fact. Trying to build your channel on BS.
He didn’t say it was fact. He offered it as a possible. It is YOU that is misrepresenting what he said.
I like him but he HAS TO HAVE A BAN or tennis is going to the dogs. What example does this set for the up and coming?
a ban? lolololol quit being a drama queen
@@echochamber1234 na just trying to keep professional tennis out of the gutter - nothing wrong with that is there?
A Ban? GTFOH. There once was this guy name McEnroe and another name Connors…
@errolmclaughlin1482 I'd like to think tennis has progressed over the last 40 years. These guys will only do what they get away with. Ban them for the next slam and watch the behaviour improve across the board
@@errolmclaughlin1482I don't remember them cursing out an official like that. Yelling and arguing, sure.
If his finances were so tight, then why act like a ten year old and get fined? Ddon't try to "play" the rules with a false ball toss - he didn't even take his racket back. Act like a real man, a decent human being, act like a Japanese man or a Canadian, instead of acting like the convicted woman beater Krygos? How does suspension or fines help you finances. Like Dainchikichi said below - i'm a Taifoe fan, but that is disgusting behavior.
I am only suggesting this outburst and his comment "may" be related to his financial situation, I'm certainly not defending his actions. People act out in various manners due to stress and it was a very bad look for him and it was disgusting this was done in front of kids and fans.
bullshit rule
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sorry but this is terrible analysis. Tennis pros at the top 50 level make about 40-70% margin on their earnings. I.e. revenue - liabilities. The range depends on their lifestyle. Federer is documented at about 68% since he is extremely efficient and brings in tons of sponsorship. Tiafoe i suspect is probably 40-45%. So 12M * 0.4 is aroud 5M - 30% taxes which is 3.5M net savings going into his bank account for 9 years. Thats equivalent to a person SAVING about 388k a year for 9 fing years. The guy has no right to get angry like that. He needs to be banned from the sport.
I never suggested there are not margins of profit after expenses (and don't forget the agent fees from earnings and sponsorships). Margins don't equate to net worth as the margins are often spent on girlfriends, siblings, parents, friends, luxuries, bad investments and the like. There are countless of athletes who have earned many multiples more than Tiafoe that have went broke from living lifestyles they cannot afford.
With all that said, even "if" he is fighting for his livelihood we agree he should be held accountable for this highly unprofessional outburst that is against the players code of conduct.
@@TK-Tennis ive met tiafoe. The guy is obnoxious and is super arrogant and thinks he is on top of the world. he does live large thats for sure
@@irshviralvideo I have as well and you are right, but he's far from the only one. There is a large group of the top players who egos far exceed their accomplishments i.e. Zverev, Tiafoe, Tsitsipas, Shelton, Rune to name some key offenders. Luckily there is a larger group of elite players who understand the value of being humble i.e Sinner, Alcaraz, Ruud, de Minaur, Fritz, Ruud and of course Rafa.
@@TK-TennisGod bless Alcaraz - the saviour of tennis now that Federer has left.
@@TK-Tennis while I do like your breakdown of his finances, Frances is not the type of player ( top 20) who I can be sorry for financially. He makes a lot of money in prize money and endorsements to have a very comfortable lifestyle.
I’m much more sympathetic to the lower ranked players toiling in the 250s and the ITF/Challenger tourneys that make a tiny fraction of what a player like Frances makes, have a lot less perks, but still have a lot of the same expenses that you mentioned. Those are the players who really sacrifice their livelihoods to play the sport. Concerning his outburst, it’s regrettable, he apologized, he’ll probably be heavily fined for it, and it’s time to move on.
I think he is a rude person and should be banned to play professionally again. And yes he in one year get a lloot of money much more than me in my all life. So trying to justify somehow this behavior is simply ridiculous.
No he's not a rude person and no he shouldn't get banned😅