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What If VEGETA Fought Imperfect Cell FIRST?
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- Super Saiyan Vegeta before Time Chamber training vs Imperfect Cell in his first appearance: Who would win? @LSMMIKE discusses that in this Dragon Ball Z video featuring the anime and manga!
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Depends wether Vegeta points at himself with his thumb or not
He can't resist
SSJ VEGETA VS FIRST FORM CELL INTERESTING WHAT IF...
Cell not fighting Vegeta is more because he fears Piccolo finding him and not because he would lose. Goku, who is weaker but not far from Vegeta either, claimed that he is no much for Cell after he recovered. I also think Piccolo was pretending even before losing his left arm, he acts suprised because he knows Cell is smart and would suspect something.
Exactly my point too. All these things were so obvious in the manga and in the anime, there is a good chance too that this cell is on par or maybe stronger than android 18, Cell was avoiding unnecessary fights because he wanted to build up his power by consuming easy victims. If he attacked vegeta at that time he'll be sense by the z fighters and all of them will come at them and that will ruin his plan. If Piccolo didn't fuse with kami, cell would not hesitate to attack and absorb all of the z fighters perhaps even Goku. But since he knew that there is someone stronger than him he refused so.
"claimed that he is no much for Cell after he recovered."
This cell has absorbed thousands of humans after the fight with piccolo.
@@DevilMarioProductions Depends at which point. Cell was absorbing people for almost 4 days straight. Goku would have no idea how strong Cell was at the moment but he probably sensed his power while fighting Piccolo. Cell was hiding his Ki for the next 4 days.
What if Viagra just did his job in the first place?
Isn’t that where Trunks came from?
Vegeta would be hard as nails
@@MrBusrunnerIm even harder 😡
@@AscendedEmperorMajin Buu hard. 😂
And this is to go even further beyond erect. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
You’ve been pumping out content I wished you had done earlier. You never disappoint
Quaman,sayain scholar and laughingstock are making the best dragon ball content recently,geekdom been falling off.
@@justinarzola4584 agreed, he’s gone the “corporate” route. It comes with the subs
Saiyan scholars takes are often wrong. I don't agree with Mike on everything but he's pretty humble how he puts stuff forward
@@justinarzola4584 Geekdom fell off a long time ago, like YEARS
@@justinarzola4584 how is geekdom falling off when Mike and Geekdom post similar vids at the same time loll
I personally believe Cell would win that confrontation at that point and I believed he chose to avoid Vegeta because as soon as battle engages, Piccolo and everyone else would be able to sense their energy and track after him.
That's what I was thinking the whole time! Lol
Exactly! Piccolo would have sensed Cell immediately if he attacked Vegeta!
Facts and he wasn’t even that far.
I always saw it like you say
And see the explosions
One thing you missed that's worth mentioning is that the Piccolo that got temporarily surprised by Cell was still suppressed by his weighted clothing. He wasn't at the same level he was at when he fought 17 evenly. Piccolo immediately went all out vs 17. This is important because it lowers the required power level Cell would have had to be at in order to be capable of catching Piccolo off guard which benefits Vegeta further.
This fight happened right after he fused. So Piccolo never had time to update his weights after fusing with Kami. That means that the weights aren't that heavy so it doesn't make much of a difference.
@DaRlJoKeR77, We've got to keep in mind that this same Cell easily killed Future Trunks without breaking a sweat, how much stronger is Super Saiyan Vegeta compared to Super Saiyan Trunks? I can bet that it's not by a lot, hes stronger than Trunks but not by a lot. Based on that id say Cell is stronger still. My theory is Cell was more worried about everyone ganging up on him, if he fought Vegeta then Piccolo and everyone else would locate him, whereas absorbing normal civilians wouldn't require him to use his power and the absorbtion would be quick and easy, Vegeta would put up decent resistance and Cell will be found by all the fighters. Now if this was after absorbing tens of thousands of people then Cell wipes the floor with all of them.
@MaskedFighter trunks never went ssj on cell. Cell got the surprise attack and strangled trunks. So it's not fair to say cell vs trunks. It's more like cell stabbed trunks in the back. It does make me now ask why cell didn't absorb trunks. Maybe you can only do that when the prey is alive. If that's the case, it just helps my argument that cell couldn't fight ssj trunks. He had to do a sneak attack. He got no absorption, but doesn't risk the loss.
@@danielsilva-ds2u He was probably stronger than Trunks, but didn't want to start a fight and potentially destroy the time machine. Why he decided to snap his neck instead of absorbing him, it could just be arrogance. Maybe he thought he wouldn't need it, not knowing that the Z Fighters and Androids were stronger in the main timeline. He did something similar when he decided not to absorb Piccolo because his objective (the Androids) was right there, not knowing that 16 was stronger than him, so it wouldn't be out of character.
Bear in mind that Vegeta was close enough in power to Android 18 to give her a good fight. The issue was that all 18 had to do was burn him out; she was no doubt stronger, but Vegeta was close enough in power to where he was still knocking her around when he got in those good hits.
For that reason, I think Vegeta isn’t far off from this version of Cell, and scores a decent chance.
Vegeta should have got a bit of a zenkai boost from that battle too
@@condog209they stopped using zenkais
@@rashadbeckham7141yup. Only Cell gets one and Black in Super. Even if they get zenkais it's prob much less than 1/100 of total power.
Speaking about Vegeta not getting a Zenkai, I actually believe that the way Zenkais work literally prevents you from getting them from people without Ki, or at least without a detectable power. Which would also explain why Gohan and Trunks got bodied so hard in the future and somehow never caught up, so much so that even after over a decade of fighting them Gohan was still so much weaker that the moment they decided to stop having fun he was instantly wrecked.
@@poodie3887 Just yes.
I actually have a video planned about this topic for sometime this year. Stay tuned.
That makes no sense.
@@GrubKiller436it does, just look at how much stronger goku from his zenkai when he went to fight frieza, he sensed friezas power and his power shot up to match it, laughingstock is even going to make a video on it
@@elijahwatjen9839
Sure.
Why didn't Vegeta's power level shoot up against Frieza his whole life?
Goku's increased because Toriyama wanted it to. Why didn't Vegeta or Trunks' power level shoot up against perfect Cell? Because Toriyama didn't want it to.
So right there already, there is already a glaring hole in the logic. He can make whatever video he wants. He is still not going to be Toriyama.
Dragonball fans really be trying to concoct nonsense logic on the daily when the real answer is right there in front of them.
I was waiting the whole video for the “VEGETA’S TECHNIQUE!!??!!” and wasn’t disappointed 😂😂
Cell was confused by Vegeta's power for the same reason Android 20 and 18 were confused: according to what he knew, Vegeta wasn't supposed to be a Super Saiyan.
While Cell probably felt he could win the fight, he did not think he could do so quick enough to escape before Piccolo and the others caught up. It was far too risky to engage at the time, meaning he needs to get strong enough to be able to handle Piccolo before he should consider going after the other Z fighters.
As for if Vegeta fought Cell first, it would have gone like Piccolo VS Cell, but even more in Cell's favor. And unlike Piccolo, Vegeta can't just regenerate his left arm.
Vegeta can hold his arm tho like he always does
At the time Cell sees Vegeta, they’re both in between 18 and 17 in power. But there’s still a significant gap between them!
Cell gave Piccolo a pretty tough fight! There’s no way Vegeta could have done that at the time!
Ending with the DBZ end of episode narration music is crazyyyyy
The "That one was free." quote was when he was fighting Semi-Perfect Cell.
He told Android 19 after he was punched, "Just as I thought, you're nothing..."
Both of those lines are absolutely peak too 🔥.
I believe Vegeta had actually received a Zenkai boost after his fight with 18. I know it isn't explicitly stated that he did get stronger, but Saiyans usually become stronger after healing from severe injuries. It's happend before, so I see no reason to believe that he didn't receive a Zenkai. But as far as powerscaling goes, it's hard to pinpoint how strong he is after the 18 fight. It's very possible that he's around the level of 18, but we just don't know.
Cell was probably scared that piccolo would sense his ki if he fought Vegeta. We know Vegeta would never call someone "ridiculously strong" unless they were above him.
"Piccolo probably doesn't have a stretchy body like stretch armstrong or something like that."
TFS Piccolo: "Yeah I keep forgetting I can do that too."
In DBZ Abridged, I love that Gero comments on Vegeta’s foot when he kicked 19 😂
“Is that the namekian?”
“Is that me?”
“Is that me stronger than me?! I’ll fucking kill me!”
In terms of power, I'd say Vegeta and Cell at this point in the story are very close with Cell having a slight edge. Cell wasn't quite as strong as 17 or 18 yet but he's not far behind, and Vegeta kept up with 18 decently until his energy was depleted.
Vegeta being close to Cell in power doesn't mean all that much when you consider his other advantages. Cell is a complete enigma to the cast at this point in the story but Cell knows everything about them. In terms of intel, Vegeta is outclassed big time. And Cell's arsenal of abilities and techniques goes without saying.
So yeah Cell would win. Even if Vegeta rivals him in power, he's outclassed in other factors. As we saw with Cell's fight with Piccolo, despite being overpowered by quite a bit Cell is still able to get the drop on him and absorb his arm.
"he wins because he jumped piccolo" least obvious cell fanboy
Piccolo could have escaped Cell at ANY moment, but chose to play as prry in order to gather information.
Agreed.
@@sky-oq5mr base form trunks msot probably
It also shows how much power piccolo gets with kami going from knocked out by 17 to fighting him evenly with their rematch cell must have information of how strong the androids are in order to know how strong he has to be to absorb them
2:45 "Well, well, well, looks like i'm a size 19"
Piccolo would have sensed Cell immediately if he attacked Vegeta! Cell wasn’t scared of Vegeta! 😂
In my opinion 1st appearence Cell is slightly weaker than the Androids (but in a fight has the advantage to absorb them), he could be even slightly weaker or slightly stronger than Vegeta but his techniques at the time were unexpected like Kamehameha, solar flame, regeneration and especially absorption, they put him ahead. I don't think you can get a zenkai by an injured arm, you need more serious damage, and if he get it, would be really poor. Not so easy fight for 1st appearence Cell, great question Mike.
Another thought though, is that in a lot of countries like china and Japan where traditional martial arts are very popular and revered, A very large percentage of the population at least trains a good bit in their ealry years. Which explains why a lot of the cheated powers characters like the androids some of the gods van hand with seasoned warriors like Vegeta.
From what it appeared, Piccolo was able to make it so that only his arm was damaged by Cell, not the rest of his body. By contrast, when you see Cell stab and absorb humans, their entire bodies wither and disappear in a more uniform manner, we don't see individual sections of their bodies affected. I suspect this may be a trait granted by Piccolo's unique Namekian biology, being able to isolate his arm so the rest of his body isn't affected. Strength may be a factor too though. It's possible that if Vegeta were stabbed in his arm by Cell, he may not be able to isolate it like Piccolo did. Being substantially weaker than Piccolo is also a problem and would make breaking out of such a bind tricky. Cell seemed unwilling to battle Vegeta more because he was outnumbered than anything.
Could you do what if vegeta fought nail on namek when he arrived at guru's house.
Heck yeah, two videos back to back today! You’re making me very boring day. Much more exciting
I haven't played the most recent games of Db so I might be wrong but they should make it like you have a set amount of ki to use and it's gradually goes down when you negate attacks, fly, use movesets supersayan etc and once it's out then you lose to the opponent unless you use your wits. That seems closer to the real use of ki in the show than any game dbz game I've played
Only if Vegeta has a mustache.
Literally the 🐐 of Dragonball content ! Always interesting topics when you upload much love!
This would be a awesome fight to see
Cell has the advantage here
Cell didnt wanna fight vegeta cause if he did the other z fighters would feel vegeta powering up and he would be outnumbered... He knew he couldn't take on all of them at his current level... Just my take.. Great vid!!
Piccolo was stronger than Vegeta at that point so piccolo powering up enough to alert them,I doubt Vegeta would have alerted them as quickly but they would have still showed up.
@@justinarzola4584Vegeta is a super saiyan. All the super saiyans and piccolo have an ungodly amount of power compared to the humans. They all react the same way with every transformation or power up. Like getting splashed in the face with a bucket of cold water. Garbage can. Variance of magnitudes. The initial shock though still occurs at the same time though.
The physical manifestations like darkening weather, earthquakes, tsunamis, bio -electricity storms, cows ("We got cows."), these things....
You know what?
I'm very high and I forgot what I was on about...hmm.
It affects the memory.
Cheers
@@justinarzola4584 Vegeta didnt need to power up. Unlike the other androids, cells power can be sensed by the z-fighters if he chose to engage with any of them.
@@stephano2996 that's why I said they would still show up.
@@realBatman-89 😂😂😂
I think cell would have been able to use Vegetas huge ego agaisnt him and let him achieve his perfect form. Vegeta be like that😅😅😅😅😅
Yes! Very True!
Another what if idea : What if Gero and 19 fought Frieza and his father instead ?
Vegeta would refuse to lose like he always does which is good but I think he would have the win because cell expended at least a good chunk of energy dealing with piccolo and the kameahmeah wave. Even if fresh I still think vegeta has the advantage or he wouldn’t be so eager to go look for him and frustrate over find Waldo. He sensed him before he left so vegeta knew or had an idea of what he’s dealing with and what he has to do to assure a victory. Though I’m just going to add and guess on this but since cell tends to lean more towards a specific z fighter when preforming their technique are they really getting a sense of depth on his true over all power behind it or just those cells at the time not sure. It’s still his but I’m saying this because they always say wait now I’m sensing goku now 2 piccolos now vegeta.
OK this is an interesting one.
What if Dabura did turn Fat Buu into stone?
My guess is that Fat Buu would be able to move similar to the incredible fighting candy. My headcanon is that the user has more energy then they are not bound by techniques like stone, chocolate, candy, etc.
Does gohans ultimate form use god ki?
Is that a trick question?
You always make my day with your videos mike!😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤
Cell would have easily absorbed this Vegeta especially since Cell’s power eclipsed most of the Z Fighters from his timeline but he was astonished by the power of Piccolo in this current timeline due to his fusion between himself and his other half Kami.
Cell would have most likely killed Vegeta similar to how he killed Trunks and this could have even led to Cell becoming even that more closer to having enough power to attempt to absorb Androids 17 and 18 without even struggling as much.
Characters punching people in the gut so hard it gives them an inverted er*ction
Brother i think the background music is a little loud.
I believe that weighted piccolo is around 18's level and judging by his fight with imperfect cell piccolo has to be at least slightly stronger than him and another thing is vegeta was shocked by Piccolo's power unlike imperfect cell but even considering that vegeta got a zenkai from his fight with 18 i believe he loses this one but he might put up a good fight against imperfect cell
The insane rate of quality videos Mike is putting out be like:
Me: You're not mike... You're someone else
Mike: That's right.
*strikes thumb-pose at himself in cocky fashion
I am super Mike 😏
That was second form cell when vegeta says that one was free when he lets cell power up and hit him hard similar to what gohan did with cell.
it still fascinaties me that in the original timeline, the battle against 17 and 18 was a slaughter-fest, yet this time, with many of the same fighters, they still get crushed, but the androids just kind of leave them alone, Krillin even gets kissed by the AI, no less.
No one gets Zenkais unless they are actually dying.
Getting your arms broken does not equate to being in the process of dying.
The only good thing to come out of the 17 18 battle is Kulilin getting some hanky panky.
Overall I think that if the fight took place after Piccolo's encounter with Cell Vegeta would be far more prepared. Because while Vegeta would be able to sense Cell's power level and knows he can use the other Z fighters techniques, and also given he lost to 18 he'd be a little more cautious in the fight similar to what we see in the battle against Freiza where he is picking his spots after better after Freiza transforms. Now Cell could absolutely star the fight off with a solar flare and go for a quick win but that's the only edge I'm giving him. Because Cell is comprised of both Freiza's and Vegeta's cells so confidence isn't something he lacks so if Cell sensed Vegeta's power and held back means Cell didn't think he'd win the fight even if he pulled a Vegeta v Dadoria and jumped him from behind. So while it would be a close fight Vegeta either takes Cell out with a Big Bag Attack or the Galick Gun if not Cell out right running for hills like Dr. Gero did.
Cell didn’t fight him cuz piccolo would of sensed him.
it would of gone down just like it did when he fought him in semi-perfect form. he would of been convinced to let cell absorb both androids, probably get convinced to help him absorb them. in the end it would end the same exact way.
Solar flare, and Vegeta is blinded long enough to be absorbed by cell. Cell has a lot of other tricks, which vegeta wouldn't expect.
Honestly because Super Piccolo was implied by 16 to rival both 17 and 18, and seeing how 18 defeated super Vegeta I think ginger town imperfect cell would've beaten him due to knowing Vegeta's mindset, seeing as S. Piccolo didn't stomp cell completely it would've been closer with Vegeta. When talking about Vegeta's power it was most likely due to him being a SSJ, something I don't believe Vegeta from trunks' timeline ever achieved
A truly great video idea once again! Could you please not play music over your dialogue? Not everyone is a native English speaker with full hearing, and it doesn't add anything.
In my opinion Imperfect Cell was just a sneaky character that only had 1 main objective and anything else was just not important. At some point Piccolo and Tien tried to track down Imperfect Cell and he still didnt engage with them even when he had absorbed enough humans and stated himself that Piccolo would stand no chance anymore. He would know because he fought Piccolo at his best and yet chose to avoid him. In that regard it also makes sense he also chose to avoid Vegeta. It doesnt necessarily mean he was weaker than Vegeta then.
If im being completely honest Imp. Cell performed better against Super Piccolo than Ssj Vegeta did against android 18.
And if Android 17/18 are close to equal in power to Super Piccolo then logically Imp. Cell would have at least a slight edge in power over Ssj Vegeta.
I know the infinite energy argument is there, but nothing in the Vegeta vs 18 battle showcased she was worried that she'd lose nor did Vegeta inflict any real damage to her. So even without the infinite energy available to her she still would not have any trouble with Vegeta. Meaning she was just outclassing Vegeta in every single way. (Also 16 confirmed she was stronger than Vegeta back then when Super Vegeta is about to engage with Semi-perfect Cell). And Vegeta stated that 18 was toying with him when he was losing. So the infinite energy argument didnt play any role in the outcome of that battle.
Also you mentioned Super Piccolo didnt hold anything back against Imp. Cell and he was winning indeed but it wasnt overwhelming. (By winning i mean Piccolo was getting the better of him in those engagements but Cell managed to get back up his feet fairly quick so in that regard it wasnt overwhelming). Which is a impressive feat for Cell considering Piccolo was using his full power throughout the fight.
And comparatively 18 was holding back the vast majority of the battle vs Vegeta because she had her inner monologues that she might have to go full power indicating she didnt. And she was still winning. Imagine how short of a battle it would be if she would go full power from the get go.
In my humble opinion there is too much going Cells way if it were to come down in a 1v1 Ssj Vegeta vs Imp. Cell battle.
Have you ever uploaded a video playing that sweet ass les paul?? idk why i just noticed it
The only indication we got that saiyans dont get more zenkais is in the battle between Gohan and Butenks after Gohan got his ass kicked and also in Super after Goku and Vegeta fought Black Goku and Zamasu
Vegeta's technique! love that man!
Here's a theory. What if future trucks didn't show up a 2nd time. Like after the battle with android 19.
Man, Gero really made his masterpiece weaker than the pair of androids that his perfection hinges on
That one was free was in the funimation dub when vegeta fought imperfect Cell but I like Japanese version better also because the music was better in that scene!
I think it would be a very interestimg topic of discussion would be "What if Majin Vegeta killed Goku?"
If Vegeta somehow managed to win, what would he do next? How screwed would everyone be if Goku was permanently killed in that fight? Because it wad stated that being killed while you are dead reasults in you disappearing completely.
*Vegeta kicking Imperfect Cell's ass.*
Vegeta: This is pathetic, I'm just gonna kill you now.
Cell: Wait! Wait! Just let me absorb the androids and I'll give you a better fight!
Vegeta:...
Trunks: Father...
Vegeta: Hurry up before I change my mind, bugman!
Cell: Okay. *Absorbs 17*
Vegeta: Okay, time to fight again!
Cell: Wait, I still need Eighte-!
*Vegeta starts kicking Semi-Perfect Cell's ass.*
Vegeta:... The actual fuck?! With how much of a disappointment you are, are you sure you don't have any of the boy's-
Trunks: Hey!
Vegeta:-DNA in you?!
Cell: Just let me get 18, and then I'll-
Vegeta: No, I've wasted enough time humoring you! Taste oblivion! *FINAL FLAAASH!!!*
Cell: ShitshitshitshitshitshitSHIIIIII-
*Dies*
Trunks: *Sighs in relief.*
Edit: I know this is wrong, but I like it too much to change it.
That was well detailed and good video.
Regarding piccolo did you know that the dragonball Manga El Legendario..Stated Is that when piccolo fused with nail..His power increased x5.
Regarding Kami Merger.. He grew at least five times stronger... The android at The Andriods at minimum are over three hundred Million.
Therefore Piccolo Before Merging with Kami is at Least Over 60 Million.
I still think that c18 is far above vegeta even without taking into account his unlimited energy
already, her face is still very calm and soothing, she is not so serious against vegeta, another android more or less of the level of C18, that is to say C17, when he fights seriously at the maximum we see his face , it feels that he gives everything
even c18 when she learns that goku is of the level of vegeta, she tells him, whether it is one or the other there is nothing special
and above all, c16 does not care about vegeta vs C18, he plays with birds and does not feel any danger in vegeta, he knew that C18 could have kill him easely but it wasn't her goal whereas when he feels the power of picollo vs cell , it intrigues him and he says that his power is the same as C18 and C17
he considere picollo vs cell as 2 big power level and that picollo power is so high that he match C18 and C17
something he never said about vegeta , he considered him a random guy
for C16 he considere that : picollo/c17/c18 >>>>cell >>>vegeta
there are too many elements that show that c18 has held back and that she is much stronger than vegeta
Since dr.gero got Vegeta's DNA from when his tail was cut off in the Saiyan saga is it entirely possible he has enough DNA to create multiple projects?
Such as create a Saiyan android hybrid. An Android Vegeta clone if you will.
I wonder, if Cell had used Kaioken, could he have closed the gap between himself and Gohan or would be like when Goku and Frieza in that would only damage Gohan a little but ultimately exhaust himself in the process?
@laughingstockmedia not wanting to attack vegeta is just not wanting to bring piccolo and trunks and kuririn down on him. Cell points out vegeta is stronger than vegeta should be but would definitely lead with “and he's stronger than me too!” it's like piccolo saying kuririn being strong at the 23rd will make the world harder to conquer.
We've got to keep in mind that this same Cell easily killed Future Trunks without breaking a sweat, how much stronger is Super Saiyan Vegeta compared to Super Saiyan Trunks? I can bet that it's not by a lot, hes stronger than Trunks but not by a lot. Based on that id say Cell is stronger still. My theory is Cell was more worried about everyone ganging up on him, if he fought Vegeta then Piccolo and everyone else would locate him, whereas absorbing normal civilians wouldn't require him to use his power and the absorbtion would be quick and easy, Vegeta would put up decent resistance and Cell will be found by all the fighters. Now if this was after absorbing tens of thousands of people then Cell wipes the floor with all of them.
Could you do a vid on who’d win between Goku(entered chamber 1st, likely killed semi cell) vs Vegeta(exits after Goku and wants to test his power vs Goku)
Always wondered the scenario, I’m sure Goku deals with cell…but likely encounters 16 & 18
I think it is possible for Vegeta to beat Cell at the time but believe more than likely majority of the time he would lose.
Imperfect cell would stomp Vegeta.
For a brief, shining moment, Piccolo was stronger than all the super saiyan’s
Piccolo was a good amount stronger then Vegeta after his Fusion with Kami, Cell was putting up a good fight with Piccolo. Cell would beat Vegeta pretty handily at this point imo.
But also Vegeta’s ego still gets almost killed 😂
Maybe piccolo could have done more against cell if he hardcore trained instead or just chilling and levitating in fromt of a waterfall.
In DB, just having superior power doesn't always mean you'll win. Vegeta has more battlefield experience so he was able to anticipate how much well bluff would work and gero, having not a lot if battle experience, would fall for the bluff.
Vegeta said that he was nothing after 19 punched him.
Hi mike
It's still possible that Android 18 was only toying with Vegeta while she wore him down. But let's assume Vegeta is near 18’s level. Cell was running from Piccolo. He didn't want to fight Vegeta because that would have alerted Piccolo. Vegeta was stronger than Cell thought because Cell didn't know about the SSj transformation, same as the androids didn't. This doesn't mean Vegeta was near Cells level. He clearly wasn't because Cell was near Piccolo's level who outclassed Vegeta by a lot.
Before watching:
After seeing the title of these videos I always go and read the manga chapters that are relevant just to make sure im not getting anything confused. Some people seem to think that piccolo was like twice as strong as vegeta. Idk where this idea comes from. Its was pretty clear that Vegeta was about equal to 18 but lost due to her infinite energy. Piccolo was about equal equal to 17 and 17 is supposedly slightly stronger than 18. So piccolo is like 10-15% stronger than vegeta imo. Which would mean vegeta is more than strong enough to crush imperfect cell. Now whether he would escape or not is another question.
After watching: 10-15% is maybe too generous, id now say 20-25. And that early combo 18 gets on vegeta was before vegeta started fighting seriously. She surprised him with how strong she was and rekt him. Then he starts to fight seriously after the rest of them show up
In my opinion Piccolo is easily twice as strong as SSJ Vegeta.
@@Top_E_Official There is 0 evidence to support that claim
Piccolo wasn't twice as strong as vegeta. He was like 6 times stronger than vegeta.
Vegeta wasn't equal to 18 but also not too far off. 18 was still like 15% stronger + had infinite energy advantage so not much but enough so that if the other z fighters came in to 5v1 her then it would've been trouble.
No, vegeta isnt equal to 18.
For the million times stop watching dubs for debates.
18 hardly made any effort as she says "neither of you (vegeta and goku ) are much"
Vegana the legendary super saiyan
Weird theory but what if saiyans stop getting zenkais after achieving super saiyan?
I do think it would've been a good tradeoff for the more transformations Saiyans gain access to, the more difficult it becomes to increase their base power.
I doubt that could happen to Vegeta, even if he got caught off guard.
Can you imagine a timeline where Cell came but Trunks never did?
That's the Cell we saw in the entire Android/Cell saga.
Cell avoided Vegeta cause Picollo would've been back on his tail
Vegeta could have killed android 18 if he wouldn't throw out dumbass ki blasts like a mad man if he had internalized his energy and struck with a purpose like lacing his fist with ki and hitting 18 with powered punches and focused on damaging her body rather than wasting energy shooting ki blasts
Vegeta does have a chance but he can’t mess around literally one slip up and that’s it for him. But cell is pretty broken himself vegeta could put all his energy in one attack and if and that’s a big if if cell survives the attack and regenerates then vegeta is finished.
Cell...easily
What if Cell snuck up on Vegeta like he did Piccolo and absorbed his arm? Vegeta lacks Piccolo’s regeneration ability and would have been screwed.
LOVE IT
I think Vegeta might be shocked, but like Piccolo he'd scoff at these 'weak imitations' of techniques from other fighters.
Remember how he chuckled before tanking Semi-Perfect Cell's Galick Gun? Now, if Cell started using Kaio-Ken on Vegeta then I'd be impressed because he might have a better shot of getting some quick/powerful blows in.
A lot of people think cell was beyond Vegeta lv because he killed future trunks but in flashbacks in anime it is always base form trunks not super Saiyan. Cell probably caught trunks off guard and killed him. Because I don’t think cell power jumped up enough to surpass Vegeta and especially piccolo til he drained millions more humans after piccolo met him.
Can you do a video of a timeline of how strong piccolo is? I know buu sage piccolo is weaker the cell saga goku but is rf, U6, and even ToP piccolo still weeker then cell
This is actually a very good fight
Vegeta was about on Par with 18(Piccolo implies that the only reason 18 is getting the upper hand is because Vegeta is gassing out)
so that means SSJ Vegeta ~ Android 18
PIccolo power in relation to Imperfect Cells is much harder to tell but it must have been a pretty decent gap if you just looked at there fight you might be fooled into thinking there about even but we know Piccolo wasn't trying to kill Cell but is trying to get information out of him and Piccolo(Who is weighted) says even post absorbing his energy Cell is STILL not enough to defeat him and mind you this Piccolo while Unweighted is relative to 17 who is only SLIGHTLY stronger then 18 and Imperfect Cell is even weaker then this as even Cell getting an Amp and Piccolo getting Weakened it doesn't put him on Piccolo Weighted Level.
so it would probably go something like this
Unweighted Piccolo ~ 17 > Weighted Piccolo(Vegeta says this Piccolo is stronger then himself) > 18 ~ Vegeta ~ Weakened Weighted Piccolo(Vegeta does imply this Piccolo might be stronger then him when he first arrive however Piccolo when Vegeta first arrives is unleashing his energy in a rage so its likely Piccolo was rage boost at the time) > Amped Imperfect Cell > Non Amped Imperfect Cell
But Power might not be enough here as Cell is very tricky and if Vegeta goes into this cocky he would likely be caught off guard but would Vegeta at THIS point go into this Cocky and I don't think so Vegeta at this point is super pissed about being defeated by 18 I think he would just try to end the fight as fast as possible to get some of his pride back but I will say Vegeta doesn't have the margin for error Piccolo does if Vegeta slips up even once he will die but if he fights at his best and keeps his head cool he can win 55% of the time.
What if the Briefs family didn't exist? (which is different than what if goku didnt meet them)
Bro you were supposed to say "Vegeta could've used final flash.... or maybe even VEGETAS TECHNIQUE to beat imperfect cell'
I feel like vegeta was leagues below 18. I mean look how easily 18 and 17 obliterated gero. I think she was playing with him and got pissed when he damaged her clothes. Force fields protect against ki blasts physical attacks and being pounded into a cliff side don't. Finally, oooooooh damn, that left arm, lol
Nahhh I understand the saiyans not getting any zenkais from fighting the andriods but Vegeta and them definitely did get zenkais from fighting Cell and every foe after that. Just bc they don't mention it like that anymore doesn't mean the saiyans no longer get it. That doesn't make any sense. Saiyans are supposed to get stronger as they fight. They never once mentioned that that was no longer the case.
If he fought they way bardock did against dude back in the granola arc
"what if vegeta fought imperfect cell?" simple.......he would've became perfect cell MUCH quicker.
He wouldn't, he wouldn't even have been able to absorb the androids. Due to being weaker than them