I really like and appreciate Imam Tom. He seems well read and knowledgeable and doesn't sell out to other ideologies like some Muslim American Dai's I don't have to name. May Allah bless you and Imam Tom and keep you on the right path. Also, your channel helped me immensely as a Muslim living in California where misguidance is every where. Jazak Allah khairan ❤️
The importance of what Imam Tom suggested, regarding a new religion for all of humanity is even difficult for most to appreciate. In the garb of a Muslim, Tom preaches a religion for everybody. how is that possible, does it mean he doesn't agree with Islamic teachings. Not at all. Tom intends to bring particularly Christianity in line with Islam, hoping to overcome 'useful lie'.
Imam Tom's discussion on secularism is important from the religious as well as the political, including all people and all cultures. The talk emphasizes the Christian outlook, a more deeper view may reveal other cultures (Greek, Indian and Chinese) and may shed more light to what Tom claims as 'abstract', However the importance ot the topic cannot be underestimated, nor overestimated. As Tom is careful to claim who different US, UK and France are at odds, explaining/interpreting the concept outside of the academic. Definition: A concept/category of behavior sensibility, knowledge of modern life (belief vs knowledge). I find rewarding to find Tom discussing 'secularism', being a Muslim, makes the topic more important (excluding Judaism, for whatever reason) making it relevant for Christians and Muslims and relevant to contemporary politics.(socially useful lie). This important discussion is relevant to contemporary politics regarding a homeland of the Jews, as their god promised them a homeland in Egypt (tried twice by Abraham and twice by his descendants, without result, believed by some Jews, resulting from god's wrath. This is important because the Us wants to use the LIE bring peace (possible reason why the discussion omitted the Jews as Pagan belief).
Still the same quality programs, no negative surprises! I don't comment on all of them but definitely do watch them all on youtube. Without exaggeration, I watch some of your videos more than 10 times. Thanks, Paul👏👏
Salam Bro Paul. Jazzakalahu khairan kathira. Surely you are building gardens of Paradise with such thought provoking discussion. May Allah SWT rewards you, Imam Tom and all the listeners. And may Allah SWT guides all of us on the straight path.
Mashallah brother Paul, as usual, the discussions are praiseworthy. Imam Tom is such a knowledgeable guest. His readings and interpretations are quite fascinating and compelling. The part about pain and agency is very informative. May Allah increase us all in knowledge. Ameen
Thank you brother Paul for having shaikh Tom on your podcast again , its always a pleasure to listen to the logic of shaikh Tom and thank you both of you again , ..
Asalamalaikum, Paul 😇 This was riveting, as usual--so many amazing nuggets of insight from Imam Tom F. (my NY neighbor as I am in NJ). He is of a very sharp mind (a genius, even, if you observe how he articulates himself) and simply a wealth of amazing information. Please continue to host him on your channel. May Allah reward you for your hard work, effort and dedication to ensure the dissemination of beneficial knowledge by way of critical thought that your guests bring to the table on a consistent basis. Ameen 🤲💐
Heavy stuff, but really importante. Honestly I need to relisten to it in order to grasp all the concepts. May be even taking notes! Thanks for the effort you put into producing such content.
This series is continues to impress. Honestly, I had a different view of secularism and secular than I now have. Thanks for opening my mind to new views.
Assalam Alaykum and many thanks brothers Paul and Tom. Such eye opening observations and explanations from brother Tom and thought provoking input from brother Paul. Knowing how secularism changed things gives us much more awareness about it's limits and dangers. May Allah SWT bless you.
Imam Tom is a treasure of knowledge. Mashaallah jazakallah subhanallah. Eye opening knowledge for me. May Allah swt bless you brother Paul for spreading the valuable knowledge.
Whether secular, like France and the US, or non decared secular states, like UK, both finance churches as these are totally subordinated et easily manipulable for whatever purpose that support the secular project.
Usually, brother Asadullah SAAiD already does a great job helping us by making notes for the time stamp of the video ;p I once (or twice) did the same thing for your other video, but right now I'm on my phone, it's too hard to do without my laptop. Maybe later, insya Allah. And by the way; a very good interview as always brother Paul, thanks to both of you. Jazakallahu khair. Wassalamu'alaikum
I still feel like the idea of virtuous pain is still prevalent in western culture. The saying “no good deed goes unpunished” is still heard. Gym culture is very big, where the pain is seen in a positive way. Also in many western movies there is an example of the hero will self sacrifice for the good.
Wonderful discussion Br. Paul and Imam Tom!!! Would recommend both of you to discuss Syed Naquib Al-Attas' "Islam and Secularism" since it discuss the history of secularism and how it emerged rapidly in the 20th century. Al-Attas tried to remedied this problem with the Islamic Worldview, and he defined the important key terms e.g., religion, knowledge, worldview, and etc, that has been corrupted by the secularist. All the blessings to you.
Yes asalamualaykum wa rahma tulahi wa barakatuhu much needed conversation with my brothers paul and imam tom,may allah reward you two for this and I agree with some of the viewers keep going!
SubhanAllah. This is brilliant. I am partly wondering if this is fascinating because it's preaching to the converted but nontheless I've been gripped from start to end, and i totally reject the 'dry' disclaimer. Could watch this for hours more. Bravo
Dr. Abdel-Wahab El-Messiri-رحمه الله- believes that secularism cannot be explained by a single definition. In order to define it, we need to put a semantic field pointing to it.
Another enthralling talk on a fascinating subject. Thank you. It seems to me that the speaker may have gone awry in two areas. The idea that modern secular societies have ruled out legislating moral questions is not the case here in the United States. Our history is, in fact dominated with legislated morality. Morality was legislated when interracial marriage was against the law and was legislated again when it became immoral and was legislated illegal to prohibit interracial marriage. Questions surrounding the moral standing of abortion have famously been a matter of law here, both morally pro and morally con. Capital punishment for certain crimes, gender equality, gay rights; all moral issues legislated. In the US people are encouraged to express and advocate for their religious and moral beliefs. But we have and continue to differ on what is moral and what is immoral. Our civil war was fought over legislating the morality of owning people. Democracy (legislating) is a dispute resolution process that determines which moral standard shall be engrossed into law. I suggest that the notion of belief and logic being opposites in secular society seems amiss. What the speaker is describing is a difference between faith and logic. I believe some things as a matter of faith and some things as a matter of logic. The two exist very comfortably together in my mind. And I think, in most peoples' minds. Not opposites. Once again, are there no women in Islam smart enough to expound on these topics? I dined last night with a young woman from Texas who recently received her PhD in Philosophy. She had some interesting thoughts on Blogging Theology subjects.
Thank you for your comment! It will become more clear in the next video, but the claim is not so much that secularism DOESN'T legislate moral questions, that would be impossible. The claim is that discursively, secularism has created the sensibility that secular states don't or shouldn't legislate morality, or do but less so than other orders (there are a few permutations at play). So take the abortion debate, liberals will cry foul against the pro-lifers for, among other things, legislating their metaphysical commitments. What is responsible for that sensibility that they shouldn't do so? What makes liberals think that by legislating pro-choice legislation that they aren't also legislating their own metaphysical commitments? Boom, there's secularism at play. Second, it wasn't logic to which belief is constructed in opposition, as Asad writes, but knowledge, and the distinction is significant. Logic can be granted to anything with internal consistency. Knowledge, on the other hand, contributes to our human collection of Truth that creates imperatives for action. Beliefs, in the secular order, generally aren't granted that status. Beliefs are treated more like opinions than facts. Speaking of beliefs, I would ask you to consider that within Islam, and among Muslims, there might be ethics (and thus imperatives!) around representation, gender interaction, and privacy that differ from your own. Just as the absence of female participation doesn't indicate a lack of qualified women to discuss it, it also shouldn't be automatically read as bias. Thanks.
@@TomFacchine You honor me with your reply. Thank you. I see your point and agree that religious dicta are not the drivers of predominant standards that they once were. It seems to me though current standards are in place out of sense of conscience, which is a metaphysical, even religious source of morality/ethics. The semantics - belief vs knowledge evades me somewhat. I, and I think most people, know things out of faith, other things out of logic at the same time. And a multi religion society needs democracy to arrive at operable ethical and moral standards, don't you agree? I understand that the nonparticipation of women may be a matter of custom. When we travel, it is customary for me to drive the car - not my wife. But she is not excluded from driving when we travel together. She frequently does so. It is the apparent exclusion that makes me curious.
﴿سورة ص﴾ ٤١) وَاذْكُرْ عَبْدَنَا أَيُّوبَ إِذْ نَادَىٰ رَبَّهُ أَنِّي مَسَّنِيَ الشَّيْطَانُ بِنُصْبٍ وَعَذَابٍ ٤٢) ارْكُضْ بِرِجْلِكَ ۖ هَٰذَا مُغْتَسَلٌ بَارِدٌ وَشَرَابٌ ٤٣) وَوَهَبْنَا لَهُ أَهْلَهُ وَمِثْلَهُمْ مَعَهُمْ رَحْمَةً مِنَّا وَذِكْرَىٰ لِأُولِي الْأَلْبَابِ [Quran Chapter 38] 41. And remember Our servant Job, when he called to his Lord, "Indeed, Satan has touched me with hardship and torment." 42. [So he was told], "Strike [the ground] with your foot; this is a [spring for] a cool bath and drink." 43. And We granted him his family and a like [number] with them as mercy from Us and a reminder for those of understanding.
Secularism is about taking as little as possible from religion, enough to establish a civilization while rebuking everything else! ESPECIALLY LAWS (commandments, tasks, etc...) those are written by individuals to suit the whims of their minded like peers! or cherry picked from other beliefs (Hinduism, Paganism, polytheistic ideologies, etc...) On that narrative Paul of Tarsus is indeed guilty of being secular for he abolished the law... He also confess to adhering to other religions 1 Corinthians 9: 20-22 However ! Paul didn't invent that crooked way, it precedes him by many centuries maybe to the times of Noah?
It is definitely true that many globally are uncritically taking the "modern" "secular" West"'s view on things as the standard. Maybe I can paraphrase the famous saying of the historian that it is neither modern, secular nor western.
Secular is simply..that which is not connected with religious or spiritual matters... As for secular being the new religion..That is clearly a logical fallacy...a new religion cannot be "not connected with religious or spiritual matters"..That is a contradiction in terms..No religion is not a religion and it cannot be because it does not meet the definition of a religion...ie "a series of spiritual beliefs allied to rituals and/or the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.". If I am naked, I am not clothed in "nothing"...If you come to my house for dinner and I give you an empty plate,I cannot claim that I gave you dinner,but that dinner was "nothing"...nothing is not something.."No religion" is not,and cannot ever be considered a religion.
What do you guys think about helping Taliban in establishing a true Islamic state? Tbh I think it’s a wonderful opportunity Allah is giving us Muslims to have friendly relationship with Taliban and help them in establishing sharia. I know Taliban made mistakes but they’re still our Muslim brothers and it’s our responsibility to help them. Afghanistan is in a crisis. But I barely see any Muslim talking about them. Isn’t this time for us to unite? Have a leader (ameer)? Our voices will never be heard unless we unite and speak together!
@@etzelkaplan9677 I’m not talking about Jews here and no I never heard of Taliban forcing conversion that’s against the purpose of giving human free choice. As for forcing modesty, that is necessary if you want to build a society based on divine morality.
@@etzelkaplan9677 that’s for conversion only; “A man who had drunk wine was brought to the Prophet (ﷺ) and he commanded that the man should be beaten (lashed). The man was given about forty lashes with two palm branches. Anas added, Abu Bakr (RAA) did the same…” bukhari 6773
( Will Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God ) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion. Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise ) On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils. '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
This gentleman describes how traditional Muslims see secularism. In other words he criticizes a straw-man. inventing a Bogeyman in toxic faminism and toxic LGBT to justify its own toxic believes. In reality of course secularism simply means using reason and evidence to achieve wellbeing. A context that allows the free market of ideas. Islam resents this social contract because in this kind of environment it looses it traditional power..Indoctrination, intimidation and ignorance. Of course totally irrelevant because secularism is here to stay. Any alternative implies things that no modern society will ever accept. Certainly not in the decade of ISIS.
I see you prefer lgbt, feminism, blasphemy, atheism, and whatnot above traditional values. Taste your own medicine and enjoy it fully. Let see who will triumph in the end, the one who seeks freedom and rebelling from God's constraint (aka secularism) or the one who submits to God (aka Islam)
Yeah according to the secular myth, people did not use rationality before secularism came into existence which is obviously ridiculous but I don't expect much rationality from them anyway. 🙄
100 years ago, people like you were saying "God is dead", but believers (Jews, Christians, Muslims) continue to grow stronger in the 21st century, those who say God is dead are now dead, and their dreams and ideas are disappearing, just like them!
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Non stop content!!! May Allah reward you, your guests and the audience. May Jannatul Firdausi be our meeting point in the end.
ameen
Ameen
did you just wish Jannah for a kuffar. LMAOOOOO... Good good. This shows that you don't have to follow Islam to go to Jannah.
I really like and appreciate Imam Tom. He seems well read and knowledgeable and doesn't sell out to other ideologies like some Muslim American Dai's I don't have to name. May Allah bless you and Imam Tom and keep you on the right path. Also, your channel helped me immensely as a Muslim living in California where misguidance is every where. Jazak Allah khairan ❤️
The importance of what Imam Tom suggested, regarding a new religion for all of humanity is even difficult for most to appreciate. In the garb of a Muslim, Tom preaches a religion for everybody. how is that possible, does it mean he doesn't agree with Islamic teachings. Not at all. Tom intends to bring particularly Christianity in line with Islam, hoping to overcome 'useful lie'.
Well he studied at Madinah University, and I envy him for that
Paul I'm glad you've made Imam Tom a regular guest. His understanding and explanation of these great books are just wonderful.
Jazak Allah Khair for introducing us to Imam Tom, it's nice to see Imams educated in social sciences and Islam.
Imam Tom is one of the best guests you've had in a while. Much needed discussions in today's mad world. May Allah bless you both.
Imam tom might be one of my favorite guests really enjoyed his reflection
please invite him often Jazaka allahu khairan paul 🙏
Wonderful discussion.
Paul you are truly one of the greats......
Great discussion as always Paul, always expanding our horizons about big topics. Thank you so much!
Fantastic discussion as usual. Truly insightful. Al-Hamdu lillah
Imam Tom's discussion on secularism is important from the religious as well as the political, including all people and all cultures. The talk emphasizes the Christian outlook, a more deeper view may reveal other cultures (Greek, Indian and Chinese) and may shed more light to what Tom claims as 'abstract', However the importance ot the topic cannot be underestimated, nor overestimated. As Tom is careful to claim who different US, UK and France are at odds, explaining/interpreting the concept outside of the academic.
Definition: A concept/category of behavior sensibility, knowledge of modern life (belief vs knowledge). I find rewarding to find Tom discussing 'secularism', being a Muslim, makes the topic more important (excluding Judaism, for whatever reason) making it relevant for Christians and Muslims and relevant to contemporary politics.(socially useful lie).
This important discussion is relevant to contemporary politics regarding a homeland of the Jews, as their god promised them a homeland in Egypt (tried twice by Abraham and twice by his descendants, without result, believed by some Jews, resulting from god's wrath. This is important because the Us wants to use the LIE bring peace (possible reason why the discussion omitted the Jews as Pagan belief).
Still the same quality programs, no negative surprises! I don't comment on all of them but definitely do watch them all on youtube. Without exaggeration, I watch some of your videos more than 10 times. Thanks, Paul👏👏
Thank you, Sir, for this amazing episode. And many thanks to the imam Tom. جزاكم الله خير
Greetings from Algeria guys !
Greetings! Would love to visit one day.
I'm also from Algeria 🇩🇿😊
Hello I'm also from Algeria
@@siemprestruggle9272 Pro tip: if you want to visit our desert, don't do it in the summer
@@siemprestruggle9272 You're welcome bro ! any time
An up to date topic . Very informative. Thank you both.
Salam Bro Paul. Jazzakalahu khairan kathira. Surely you are building gardens of Paradise with such thought provoking discussion. May Allah SWT rewards you, Imam Tom and all the listeners. And may Allah SWT guides all of us on the straight path.
Amazing topics. Keep going. Don't stop
Mashallah brother Paul, as usual, the discussions are praiseworthy.
Imam Tom is such a knowledgeable guest. His readings and interpretations are quite fascinating and compelling.
The part about pain and agency is very informative.
May Allah increase us all in knowledge. Ameen
Thank you brother Paul for having shaikh Tom on your podcast again , its always a pleasure to listen to the logic of shaikh Tom and thank you both of you again , ..
The Root of all problems: "Severence of Knowledge from Revelation"
May Allah reward you Paul brother. Thanks. Selamun aleykum from Turkey.
Grateful , as always, for what you provide:It’s exciting to know how expansive the intellectual exploration of Muslim scholarship is.
Asalamalaikum, Paul 😇 This was riveting, as usual--so many amazing nuggets of insight from Imam Tom F. (my NY neighbor as I am in NJ). He is of a very sharp mind (a genius, even, if you observe how he articulates himself) and simply a wealth of amazing information. Please continue to host him on your channel. May Allah reward you for your hard work, effort and dedication to ensure the dissemination of beneficial knowledge by way of critical thought that your guests bring to the table on a consistent basis. Ameen 🤲💐
Fascinating ...thank you brother Paul and imam Tom
I used to always watch you, I’m happy I discovered you again.
Heavy stuff, but really importante. Honestly I need to relisten to it in order to grasp all the concepts. May be even taking notes! Thanks for the effort you put into producing such content.
Thank you .....I've ordered this book
Enlightening conversation 🌟
Wonderful discussion and very informative. Thank you both
I would like to see you talking with Daniel Haqiqatjou from muslim skeptic
This series is continues to impress. Honestly, I had a different view of secularism and secular than I now have. Thanks for opening my mind to new views.
Assalam Alaykum and many thanks brothers Paul and Tom. Such eye opening observations and explanations from brother Tom and thought provoking input from brother Paul. Knowing how secularism changed things gives us much more awareness about it's limits and dangers. May Allah SWT bless you.
This is by far one of my favorites and most informative videos of yours.
Thank you so much, may Allah bless you
Imam Tom is a treasure of knowledge. Mashaallah jazakallah subhanallah.
Eye opening knowledge for me.
May Allah swt bless you brother Paul for spreading the valuable knowledge.
Whether secular, like France and the US, or non decared secular states, like UK, both finance churches as these are totally subordinated et easily manipulable for whatever purpose that support the secular project.
Usually, brother Asadullah SAAiD already does a great job helping us by making notes for the time stamp of the video ;p
I once (or twice) did the same thing for your other video, but right now I'm on my phone, it's too hard to do without my laptop. Maybe later, insya Allah. And by the way; a very good interview as always brother Paul, thanks to both of you. Jazakallahu khair. Wassalamu'alaikum
This continued discussion is the best analysis on the secular I’ve seen on RUclips
Continue a series with imam tom , create a playlist of understanding current episteme and philosophical critique of it.
I still feel like the idea of virtuous pain is still prevalent in western culture. The saying “no good deed goes unpunished” is still heard. Gym culture is very big, where the pain is seen in a positive way. Also in many western movies there is an example of the hero will self sacrifice for the good.
Wonderful discussion Br. Paul and Imam Tom!!! Would recommend both of you to discuss Syed Naquib Al-Attas' "Islam and Secularism" since it discuss the history of secularism and how it emerged rapidly in the 20th century. Al-Attas tried to remedied this problem with the Islamic Worldview, and he defined the important key terms e.g., religion, knowledge, worldview, and etc, that has been corrupted by the secularist. All the blessings to you.
Yes asalamualaykum wa rahma tulahi wa barakatuhu much needed conversation with my brothers paul and imam tom,may allah reward you two for this and I agree with some of the viewers keep going!
A brilliant discussion ending with the Salams at the end.. Beautiful. ♥
amazing discussion as usual.
JazakaAllahu khayr
I believe that analyzing history of democracy and free market will make more clear history of secularizm
Dear brother paul Allah bless you you are doing great work on this planet and we love you
Masha Allah. Very intelligible way of explaining the hypocrisy of the “secular” world.
جزاكم الله خيرا
SubhanAllah. This is brilliant. I am partly wondering if this is fascinating because it's preaching to the converted but nontheless I've been gripped from start to end, and i totally reject the 'dry' disclaimer.
Could watch this for hours more. Bravo
Dr. Abdel-Wahab El-Messiri-رحمه الله- believes that secularism cannot be explained by a single definition. In order to define it, we need to put a semantic field pointing to it.
Another enthralling talk on a fascinating subject. Thank you. It seems to me that the speaker may have gone awry in two areas. The idea that modern secular societies have ruled out legislating moral questions is not the case here in the United States. Our history is, in fact dominated with legislated morality. Morality was legislated when interracial marriage was against the law and was legislated again when it became immoral and was legislated illegal to prohibit interracial marriage. Questions surrounding the moral standing of abortion have famously been a matter of law here, both morally pro and morally con. Capital punishment for certain crimes, gender equality, gay rights; all moral issues legislated. In the US people are encouraged to express and advocate for their religious and moral beliefs. But we have and continue to differ on what is moral and what is immoral. Our civil war was fought over legislating the morality of owning people. Democracy (legislating) is a dispute resolution process that determines which moral standard shall be engrossed into law.
I suggest that the notion of belief and logic being opposites in secular society seems amiss. What the speaker is describing is a difference between faith and logic. I believe some things as a matter of faith and some things as a matter of logic. The two exist very comfortably together in my mind. And I think, in most peoples' minds. Not opposites.
Once again, are there no women in Islam smart enough to expound on these topics? I dined last night with a young woman from Texas who recently received her PhD in Philosophy. She had some interesting thoughts on Blogging Theology subjects.
Thank you for your comment!
It will become more clear in the next video, but the claim is not so much that secularism DOESN'T legislate moral questions, that would be impossible. The claim is that discursively, secularism has created the sensibility that secular states don't or shouldn't legislate morality, or do but less so than other orders (there are a few permutations at play). So take the abortion debate, liberals will cry foul against the pro-lifers for, among other things, legislating their metaphysical commitments. What is responsible for that sensibility that they shouldn't do so? What makes liberals think that by legislating pro-choice legislation that they aren't also legislating their own metaphysical commitments? Boom, there's secularism at play.
Second, it wasn't logic to which belief is constructed in opposition, as Asad writes, but knowledge, and the distinction is significant. Logic can be granted to anything with internal consistency. Knowledge, on the other hand, contributes to our human collection of Truth that creates imperatives for action. Beliefs, in the secular order, generally aren't granted that status. Beliefs are treated more like opinions than facts.
Speaking of beliefs, I would ask you to consider that within Islam, and among Muslims, there might be ethics (and thus imperatives!) around representation, gender interaction, and privacy that differ from your own. Just as the absence of female participation doesn't indicate a lack of qualified women to discuss it, it also shouldn't be automatically read as bias.
Thanks.
@@TomFacchine You honor me with your reply. Thank you.
I see your point and agree that religious dicta are not the drivers of predominant standards that they once were. It seems to me though current standards are in place out of sense of conscience, which is a metaphysical, even religious source of morality/ethics.
The semantics - belief vs knowledge evades me somewhat. I, and I think most people, know things out of faith, other things out of logic at the same time. And a multi religion society needs democracy to arrive at operable ethical and moral standards, don't you agree?
I understand that the nonparticipation of women may be a matter of custom. When we travel, it is customary for me to drive the car - not my wife. But she is not excluded from driving when we travel together. She frequently does so. It is the apparent exclusion that makes me curious.
You're a hero, Paul Bhai.
Tom and Paul videos are the best
Greetings from 🇿🇦
Hi Paul @blogging theology thanks for these discussions. is it possible to add Bengali subtitles to these videos where Imam Tom discussed secularism?
Such a fascinating subject, where's part2 ? if there is one
﴿سورة ص﴾
٤١) وَاذْكُرْ عَبْدَنَا أَيُّوبَ إِذْ نَادَىٰ رَبَّهُ أَنِّي مَسَّنِيَ الشَّيْطَانُ بِنُصْبٍ وَعَذَابٍ
٤٢) ارْكُضْ بِرِجْلِكَ ۖ هَٰذَا مُغْتَسَلٌ بَارِدٌ وَشَرَابٌ
٤٣) وَوَهَبْنَا لَهُ أَهْلَهُ وَمِثْلَهُمْ مَعَهُمْ رَحْمَةً مِنَّا وَذِكْرَىٰ لِأُولِي الْأَلْبَابِ
[Quran Chapter 38]
41. And remember Our servant Job, when he called to his Lord, "Indeed, Satan has touched me with hardship and torment."
42. [So he was told], "Strike [the ground] with your foot; this is a [spring for] a cool bath and drink."
43. And We granted him his family and a like [number] with them as mercy from Us and a reminder for those of understanding.
Paul please call Dr. Sher Ali Tareen on your podcast.
Good talk.
Slam alikom brother
Assalamu Alaikum Paul.Can I repost clips from this video?
Wa alaykumu s-salam yes you can. Thanks for asking.
Without secularism providing the foundation, Christendom could never have mastered porn.
Subhaanallaah
@26:35 same concept was present in some "Islamic" philosophers' works such as Ibn Sinaamong others that prophets are reformers that used noble lies.
Secularism is about taking as little as possible from religion, enough to establish a civilization while rebuking everything else!
ESPECIALLY LAWS (commandments, tasks, etc...)
those are written by individuals to suit the whims of their minded like peers!
or cherry picked from other beliefs (Hinduism, Paganism, polytheistic ideologies, etc...)
On that narrative Paul of Tarsus is indeed guilty of being secular for he abolished the law...
He also confess to adhering to other religions 1 Corinthians 9: 20-22
However !
Paul didn't invent that crooked way, it precedes him by many centuries maybe to the times of Noah?
It is definitely true that many globally are uncritically taking the "modern" "secular" West"'s view on things as the standard. Maybe I can paraphrase the famous saying of the historian that it is neither modern, secular nor western.
Thanks
Many thanks!
His vocabulary is just 💥💥 sometimes I have to pause a search the word on Google😂 Allahumma barik
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Perhaps you (brother paul)and imam tom can go in also on Edward Said orientalism as well? Inshallah
Amazing
Opposite paul be like: Yesterday you are not delighted to stay silent without priest Mot
Lol got me a while. 😆
@@Muhammed01FI brother are you from finland? How are our brothers and sisters doing there?
Sir.please Theology can I joining ur convention and where to find u or ISLLAAMIC center thanks 😊
See at 30:13
30:44
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Secular is simply..that which is not connected with religious or spiritual matters... As for secular being the new religion..That is clearly a logical fallacy...a new religion cannot be "not connected with religious or spiritual matters"..That is a contradiction in terms..No religion is not a religion and it cannot be because it does not meet the definition of a religion...ie "a series of spiritual beliefs allied to rituals and/or the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.". If I am naked, I am not clothed in "nothing"...If you come to my house for dinner and I give you an empty plate,I cannot claim that I gave you dinner,but that dinner was "nothing"...nothing is not something.."No religion" is not,and cannot ever be considered a religion.
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can you please explain what you mean?
What do you guys think about helping Taliban in establishing a true Islamic state? Tbh I think it’s a wonderful opportunity Allah is giving us Muslims to have friendly relationship with Taliban and help them in establishing sharia. I know Taliban made mistakes but they’re still our Muslim brothers and it’s our responsibility to help them. Afghanistan is in a crisis. But I barely see any Muslim talking about them. Isn’t this time for us to unite? Have a leader (ameer)? Our voices will never be heard unless we unite and speak together!
@@etzelkaplan9677 are they forcing ppl to convert? Or do you think forcing modesty is not following Quran?
@@etzelkaplan9677 I’m not talking about Jews here and no I never heard of Taliban forcing conversion that’s against the purpose of giving human free choice. As for forcing modesty, that is necessary if you want to build a society based on divine morality.
@@etzelkaplan9677 that’s for conversion only;
“A man who had drunk wine was brought to the Prophet (ﷺ) and he commanded that the man should be beaten (lashed). The man was given about forty lashes with two palm branches. Anas added, Abu Bakr (RAA) did the same…” bukhari 6773
Which book is he citing?
( Will Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques )
Quran 22:40
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ?
( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? )
Quran 5 48
''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions
Islam mean "submission" to God
( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God )
Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God?
Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work.
Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God )
The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds )
God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him.
( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa )
Quran 5:5
''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.''
Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion.
Question to Muslim and Christian:
Does God / Allah only answer your pray ?
And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray?
Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity?
Quran 5:48
'' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise )
On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils.
'' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
'' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
This gentleman describes how traditional Muslims see secularism. In other words he criticizes a straw-man. inventing a Bogeyman in toxic faminism and toxic LGBT to justify its own toxic believes.
In reality of course secularism simply means using reason and evidence to achieve wellbeing. A context that allows the free market of ideas. Islam resents this social contract because in this kind of environment it looses it traditional power..Indoctrination, intimidation and ignorance.
Of course totally irrelevant because secularism is here to stay. Any alternative implies things that no modern society will ever accept. Certainly not in the decade of ISIS.
I see you prefer lgbt, feminism, blasphemy, atheism, and whatnot above traditional values. Taste your own medicine and enjoy it fully. Let see who will triumph in the end, the one who seeks freedom and rebelling from God's constraint (aka secularism) or the one who submits to God (aka Islam)
Yeah according to the secular myth, people did not use rationality before secularism came into existence which is obviously ridiculous but I don't expect much rationality from them anyway. 🙄
100 years ago, people like you were saying "God is dead", but believers (Jews, Christians, Muslims) continue to grow stronger in the 21st century, those who say God is dead are now dead, and their dreams and ideas are disappearing, just like them!
You are an embarrassment to the Greek Philosopher Socrates
He would disown you in a heartbeat
@@slainless like Moon splitting, sunset in the mud, Flying horse and marring a child?