@@BloggingTheology Salam alaikom Paul why don t you invite sheik imran hosein on your channel.? He has an elderly scholar and he talks about the end days.
I want to add a remark to Imam Tom, What define us from other creatures is: 1_ Moral capacity & limiter especially monitoring ones self! 2_ Our Roles & obligations of which we are created for.. Your talk inspired these points to ponder on! 1_ Defining what "Humans" are is not up to us! rather the creator... its a meta-physical term that is refused in atheism (the father of secularism)! Its a term that denotes reason, worth, rights, a whole set of obligatory responsibilities & duties towards other creatures. 2_ There is a must to acknowledge the current state we find ourselves in. We are in a competition, however the tool of measure is Taqwa rather than image (what you look like) or any other tools like geographic origin or gender! We saw first hand the priority & treatment of White people over other colors for being from other origins in Ukraine borders. 3_ what we consider developed country is an environment that boosts & encourage good morals + discourage & prohibits bad morals. we find Most countries adopting secularism "gradually" encouraging bad morals & normalizing it! Another consideration for a developed country is to provide true safety, not out of fear of others (agency or bearing arms like the old west) but for being conscious and cognizant of God monitoring his actions!
brother Tom is absolutely right when he says morality is the unique characteristics of human beings the moment you lost it immediately you transform into beast.
It is an excellent talk. Very articulate and powerful review of the book and very relevant to the whole ummah. Even for us who are living in Muslim countries. Many thanks to Imam Tom and you Sir. جزاكم الله خير
I can't get enough of listening to him!... I'm loving the discussion segments you are doing as we slowly cover the book!.... After the book is finished I hope we can do in a similar fashion discussing Wael Hallaqs book! 👍🏼🤗
Dear, Paul. Your knowledge of people/facts/places never ceases to amaze me. Almost at instant you can talk about the biography of some philosopher of the past in an easy to understand manner with a fair bit of humor. Nice! 👍 May Allah grant you jannatul firdouse. Amen 🤲🏼
Mashallah brother Paul i love watching/listening to your videos the most on RUclips. I love listening with ear pods while doing house chores, on public transport, on my way home, etc. May Allah bless you and our highly-esteemed scholars and reward you all with Al Firdaws in the Hereafter, increased knowledge, good deeds, good health, inner-balance and tranquility in the dunya. Ameen
wow very enlightening and mind-blowing discussion, May Allah keep you steadfast Paul! You're doing a great job educating the massess! now I really have to his book.
Tom, I recently came across you YT channel when searching for islam and secularism and I must admit the quality of your videos and their content is so high and so relevant that I’m totally blown away (in a positive way). Kudos to you for making so intellectually high quality videos and Imam Tom and you are both an asset for muslims. Imam Tom (may Allah protect him) is a gem, I’m learning so much. May Allah bless you both, ameen🤲🏼
Amazing content as always, may Allah keep us on the straight path and help us figure out this world How does one raise their children on truth rather than secular enlightenment?
Allah bless both you and Tom. May Allah open up the hearts and guide us all with this type of educational and awareness sessions and reward both of you generously as he The Generous, The Merciful, and The Wise. ❤
This comprehension on the book makes me want to read it although I worry it may be too advanced. Some great points are made and shed Light on the secular hegemony we are living in. I do feel slightly pessimistic when thinking what environment my children are going to be navigating !!!
Imam Tom is a window to a deeper understanding of a human and this window is provided by the Islamic outlook. The real discovery is the basis of the SHARIA, that makes us human. Very interesting research.
Thank you so much.. I’m an avid follower of this channel.. can you please do an episode on Critical Race Theory, and Islam’s position with regard to such theory? (since it’s the burning, ambiguous and much controversial topic)
Mr. Blogging Theory, coming across this channel has been extremely refreshing, i Thankyou very much for that. May I please ask you about the true unbiased history of the crusades, if that’s something you know about.
It's interesting to compare the starting points on what humans are with your other interview about the Russian philosopher who also delved into that question.
Talal Asad speeches available on youtube are very hard to finish here. His father's books and life story is very interesting. Maybe do an episode on that too.
Thank you again for a mind broadening lecture. I agree with very much of the logic and conclusions reached. A main theme bears more contemplation. Modernity has certainly subordinated religion which in the past was called Truth. But isn't it so that much of that "truth" has been proven to be untrue? Is the Pope infallible? Used to be. Does the sun, by religious dicta, orbit the earth? Used to.
You noticed that both the speakers are Muslims, right ? Any way, AFAIU the whole point is secularism/naturalism is a "Religion" by itself, very similar to Christianity if we compare ,but acts as if it is not. It has it own metaphysical assumptions, doesn't bother to prove it, it self-defines itself as a "truth", it labels its opposition as "terrorists", "separatists", "anarchists" , and it punishes those "heretics" with the solid hand of authority. It has it own "Books", "Sharia/law system" , "Moral views", and even rituals : National holidays, parades, anthems , etc
@@midoevil7 You honor me with your reply. Thank you. I understood a main point being that the West erred when it left religious "truth" for secularism. My point is that the old religious "truth" has turned out to not be true, as the critics of Christianity on this blog have correctly pointed out.
Assalamualaikum, first may Allah bless both for this eye opening discussion. Request for who can point to the first part. And was the third part done already? Jazakoum Allah Khair
Salamualaikum Brother Paul hope you are well, is it possible that you invite Marijn Van Puten for a dscussion about the Quran, and also is there any book that talks in detail about the Topkapi Manuscript,Samarkand Kufic Quran and the Blue Qur'an? would be of much wisdom and knowledge. Walaykumassalam.
Also the secular definition of religion, is more to make people understand in the classroom that we have commonality so people don't want to hate eachother. Not necessarily stating they're the same. Being taught in New York in the u.s we were taught the difference in highschool as well as the similarity to reduce prejudice. And it works where it is practiced.
It's not the secular definition of religion we're analyzing, it's the very category of religion itself that implies that "religions" are fundamentally the same. Before there was the word and concept "religion," people used concepts such as Truth and Falsehood, Faith and Infidelity, etc. One can only think to rationally group Islam, Christianity, Buddhism etc. together in one category by accepting a degree of sameness, something a non-secular subjectivity cannot do. As a Muslim who believes that Islam is the truth sent by my Creator, all other "religions" are false. To assume that in order to decrease prejudice we have to work through the category of "religion" is premature. I can deny the validity of something and not be prejudiced towards its members. Rather, this shows something particular about Euro-American Christian culture--carried into the secular age--and its trouble tolerating difference. All things we have covered in these videos.
I was mostly talking about the school bit but all the same its not that simple in my opinion. It's a broad classification but there are also the minor classifications such as monotheistic, polytheistic ect, then in the classroom, they break down doctrines of each faith. It's not like at least from my experience, they blanket all the religions into one simple lesson and call it a day. They even tested us on the 5 pillars of Islam and this is post 9/11 N.Y.S Now if you were to go 3 states south I bet the curriculum would be along the same lines as what you are saying. If not extraordinarily exclusively western religious history. The problem is, people start arguing about which truth is truth and probably that exact reason is why they came up with a broad term like "religion" in the first place. Sometimes it's the language, but other times the language was made like that for historical reasons. And I nor anyone else knows the true origins of that word. So for all we know it could have come after a religious war took many lives and people then vowed to stop speaking in superiority over others beliefs. I also know prejudice certainly mostly comes from ignorant people who think their truth is the only one to be taught to their children. If they were to decide it was up to parents, the U.S would have an increase in hate crimes in ten years if not less. I definitely see the validity in your point, language builds a society. But society also builds it's language. Which one is the answer is the hard part and depends on the word I think. Also see problems with trying to implement difference when many older folks don't understand because they were taught the whole "no race but the human race" virtue in school. It's draining for them to change the mentality in racial terms. As for younger folks opinions are where they find their intolerance which can be equally bad. I don't know what we can all do to fix the problem other than talk even though we may differ. But the French are definitely inviting hatred with their xenophobic laws and I know are far more secular in their nature. But hate will be brought to them as well and the whole thing will be exacerbated by then justifying their xenophobia and the cycle continues. Just as it does everywhere else where anyone is not the same. Examples can be seen in modern eastern civilizations as well. Not sure if it's solely due to colonization or if it's simply human in nature. Thank you for the discussion and these videos. Don't get enough vigorous intellectual conversation where I live lol happily reading the Quran btw it's a very nice experience.
@@MobytheMonster Right, but classifications have metaphysical principles and stances behind them, they're never truly neutral. To decide to categorize Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. as 'religions' assumes a commonality that is distinctly materialistic (religions are made up up rituals, symbols, practices, texts). In this way of rendering things, reality is separated from belief. What's real is the secular self and the beliefs are laid on top and rendered by their categorization as somewhat substitutable, that is the kind of separable religiosity that secularism produces and encourages. For a person whose faith is their paradigm, there is no separation between reality and belief, belief IS reality. The classification of other heresies and infidelities alongside the Truth makes a mockery of what you hold to be True. Rather, it calls for a different classification, whether Truth and Falsehood, Good and Evil, Fidelity and Infidelity, Orthodoxy and Heresy, etc. I'm not talking about prejudice, I'm talking about the metaphysics of the category itself. They could teach you all year about different religions and give you as much granular detail as possible. The way it is classified cannot but express a certain way of looking at the world, one that is not neutral especially toward religious claims. "Religion" as a category was not just invented to stop people from arguing about what is true, it in itself is yet another, different assertion of what is true. Now, you're 100% right about the historical dimension, this is largely a response within Western Christianity because religiosity was so intolerant. But it's premature to assume that another type of classification like those mentioned above necessarily leads to prejudice and hate crimes. The politics of what to do about difference is a very separate question from the question of difference itself. Glad to hear you're reading the Quran, happy reading.
To be a human carries a lots of responsibilities and SHARIA shows the windows to those responsibilities. Important considerations for Christians, Buddhists and Hindus.
I was thinking about characterization by Imam Tom @16:10 about categories; Is it correct to assume that in Sharia based system, where category that en-composes Muslims, can also include animals or inanimate objects (vis-a-vis Citizen) since they could be considered Muslim (in sense submitting to will of God) that would, by extension, afforded particular treatment under Sharia?
brother Paul, I know you may had a bad experience with JayDyer and I know that he is sometimes aggressive verbally. but please, don't let me beg you, several Muslims are converting to orthodox because of him, please try to find a way for Him and Dr.Ali Ataie to talk and clarify the misconceptions about Islam. I think in these times, it's crucial to come together with the Orthodox Christians.Jay has good faith, i've watched many of his videos, I don't think he has any bad intent. جزاكم الله كل خير.
The Bible states man is above all other of Gods creations, which is why western normative culture treats animals in disrespectful ways. Things are changing a bit with us younger folks. Also, living in the United States, as much as we claim secular laws, a lot of our culture is very puritan in nature. Politicians talk about God even on the left. Part of our nationalism born in the 50s include puting God in the pledge of allegiance and on the dollar. Anyone who is outside of that Christian culture is scapegoated and shunned by people who also are okay with human torture and the people who aren't are usually a lot more poor unless they're a celebrity. Our laws are being shifted by extremely Christian people and that is why I don't personally condemn secularism, though I condemn laws and foreign policy trying to universally paint laws and treaties based on one particular world view.
What you're observing is not an anti-secular religiosity, it is the instrumental use of religion by the secular nation state. As we have explained in these videos, secularism is not the absence of or separation from religion, it is the production of certain acceptable forms of religion and religiosity.
@@perfect7357 Saudi Arabia and qatar are advanced because of oil They produce nothing besides that and in the future they will have a big problem when the oil run out
Is that seriously your argument? Tell me something, when the Islamic caliphate was the ruling power in the world for many centuries, and during the Islamic golden age, were the Muslim lands secularized? No, they were ruled according to Sharia. What about the Ottoman caliphate prior to western powers invading and dissolving it using the divide-and-conquer strategy? Was it secularized? No, again, it was ruled according to Sharia. Muslim lands being "less developed" is only a recent phenomenon that was unprecedented in history, and it stems directly from invasions and attacks from foreigners, primarily western aggressors.
So it is clear that in the bible there is no command to worship Jesus or pray on behalf of Jesus. But somehow Christians actually practice teachings that are not the teachings that were conveyed by Jesus himself but the teachings of the bible writers (who can change, add to, even subtract & hide the truth of Jesus' teachings and write them down in the bible). Unfortunately, they believe in Christian preachers (past & present) who are misguided & lie (mislead). Now you Christian preachers who are misguided and religious liars dare to oppose/challenge the words of Allah swt (the almighty God, creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is in it), you are instead following in the footsteps of the accursed devil (by slapping your lusts by being indifferent) in your own life let alone others, you are really ignorant, stubborn & arrogant, like people who are blind, deaf & have no place in the heart to accept & acknowledge the truths of Allah swt (which are contained in the Quran & Hadith). Then Allah has promised you a return to the eternal hell which contains a very hot hell fire and very painful torments.
DEAR YOU ALL, those books are indeed wonderful, even better than the Holy Kitaab, but they never accomplish anything for the collectivity - and SATAN LAUGHS AS HE REMAINS THE SOVEREIGN RULER WORLDWIDE! BAFS
Satan does not rule anything. The Sovereign Ruler Worldwide is Allah SWT. Brother, erase that non sense, it goes against basic islamic Aqeeda. salam aleykoum
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God ) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion. Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise ) On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils. '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
Secularism is addressing human wellbeing…Islamism is addressing Islamic supremacy. Secular thinkers care about truth. Muslim apologist care to present Islam true. The declaration of human rights is compiled by self evident basic laws that serve human wellbeing. The only ppl that find those controversial are no surprisingly ppl that doesn’t really care about wellbeing. Don’t confuse apologist for skeptics.
Secularism cannot decide human well being... What is secularism , who is secularism to tell people about their well being. There is Nothing on the back of secularism to rely on.. Secularism do not give ppl a purpose of life..it has no moral limits.. If today secularism is saying gay lasbian is ok.. Tomorrow it can easily say to sex with your fathers n mothers.. Secularism gave nothing to this world...but just a selfish and moraless society
@@deception6666 Human wellbeing is not an abstract decision of some deity. There are obviously real things in the real world that favour human wellbeing in relation to our physiology. If Allah tomorrow claims drinking battery acid favours human wellbeing he will simply be wrong. Reason and evidence overstate Islamic revelations when it comes to truth.
I do not agree with the Idea that Muslims are Ummah in this age in particular for the following reasons. First, we Muslims as a whole are separated from each other and every Muslim nation has its own Islam ideas and philosophy which is different from the others. Second, We have many Islamic sects like Sufi Ummah, Shiites Ummah, Sunni Ummah...etc. Third, within each Muslim nation there are different groups, there is the political movement group, the Quranic group, the liberal group, the Brotherhood of Islam...etc. and each of those claim to be right and deserve to lead the Muslims. Until the whole Muslims unite on the right bath first there will not be no Islamic Ummah. And whoever say that a Khalifa will unite them all he is hallucinating because no sect or group will submit to him (إن الله لا يغير ما بقوم حتى يغيروا ما بأنفسهم) Allah will not change the people until they change themselves.
These conversations about secularism had been eye opening.May Allah bless brother Tom and Paul
Cannot have enough of Imam Tom! Thank you brother Paul
Thanks for listening
Truly, what an insightful discussion. Alhamdulilah.
Mashaallah. I don't think I will ever reach these two intellectuals' level of knowledge.
Salaam Paul, really love and appreciate the collaboration between Blogging Theology and Imam Tom. Meeting of great minds Maashaa Allah.
Wa alaykumu s-salam
@@BloggingTheology Salam alaikom Paul why don t you invite sheik imran hosein on your channel.? He has an elderly scholar and he talks about the end days.
@@janpipiet1606 loool he is not even a scholar shaykh asrar rashid said that he has not even ijaza in akhirul zaman
One of my favorite guests, he does an amazing job dissecting the secular philosophy
I want to add a remark to Imam Tom, What define us from other creatures is:
1_ Moral capacity & limiter especially monitoring ones self!
2_ Our Roles & obligations of which we are created for..
Your talk inspired these points to ponder on!
1_ Defining what "Humans" are is not up to us! rather the creator... its a meta-physical term that is refused in atheism (the father of secularism)!
Its a term that denotes reason, worth, rights, a whole set of obligatory responsibilities & duties towards other creatures.
2_ There is a must to acknowledge the current state we find ourselves in.
We are in a competition, however the tool of measure is Taqwa rather than image (what you look like) or any other tools like geographic origin or gender!
We saw first hand the priority & treatment of White people over other colors for being from other origins in Ukraine borders.
3_ what we consider developed country is an environment that boosts & encourage good morals + discourage & prohibits bad morals.
we find Most countries adopting secularism "gradually" encouraging bad morals & normalizing it!
Another consideration for a developed country is to provide true safety, not out of fear of others (agency or bearing arms like the old west) but for being conscious and cognizant of God monitoring his actions!
brother Tom is absolutely right when he says morality is the unique characteristics of human beings the moment you lost it immediately you transform into beast.
This is high-end intellectual content. Taking notes. More from Imam Tom please.
It is an excellent talk. Very articulate and powerful review of the book and very relevant to the whole ummah. Even for us who are living in Muslim countries. Many thanks to Imam Tom and you Sir. جزاكم الله خير
I can't get enough of listening to him!... I'm loving the discussion segments you are doing as we slowly cover the book!.... After the book is finished I hope we can do in a similar fashion discussing Wael Hallaqs book! 👍🏼🤗
Glad you enjoy it!
Dear, Paul.
Your knowledge of people/facts/places never ceases to amaze me.
Almost at instant you can talk about the biography of some philosopher of the past in an easy to understand manner with a fair bit of humor.
Nice! 👍
May Allah grant you jannatul firdouse. Amen 🤲🏼
Mashallah brother Paul i love watching/listening to your videos the most on RUclips.
I love listening with ear pods while doing house chores, on public transport, on my way home, etc.
May Allah bless you and our highly-esteemed scholars and reward you all with Al Firdaws in the Hereafter, increased knowledge, good deeds, good health, inner-balance and tranquility in the dunya. Ameen
Truly profound. What an enlightening discussion. May Allah bless you both
Dear Paul Allah bless you you are doing great work on this planet and we love
Ma sha Allah, a beautiful, well tempered and in-depth discussion. Jazakallahu Khairan.
wow very enlightening and mind-blowing discussion, May Allah keep you steadfast Paul! You're doing a great job educating the massess! now I really have to his book.
Great series
Imam Tom is wonderful!
This is basically what my LLM thesis or PhD has been wanting to be 🙌👋👊💐💥👋❤️
Love this so much, jzk ... please more of these. love dissecting secularism and liberalism. It's so important.
Two bright minds together. MaasAllah 🤲😎
Why the evil eye?
Tom, I recently came across you YT channel when searching for islam and secularism and I must admit the quality of your videos and their content is so high and so relevant that I’m totally blown away (in a positive way). Kudos to you for making so intellectually high quality videos and Imam Tom and you are both an asset for muslims. Imam Tom (may Allah protect him) is a gem, I’m learning so much. May Allah bless you both, ameen🤲🏼
Amazing content as always, may Allah keep us on the straight path and help us figure out this world
How does one raise their children on truth rather than secular enlightenment?
Absolutely incredible content thank you gentlemen and salamualikum
Great minds discussing ideas. MashaAllah.
Allah bless both you and Tom. May Allah open up the hearts and guide us all with this type of educational and awareness sessions and reward both of you generously as he The Generous, The Merciful, and The Wise. ❤
Blogging Theology on the way to 200K subs! 👍✨
Great stuff, jazakallah
Very informative, may Allah (swt) bless and protect you guys!
Great content.
Alhamdulillah another morning tazkirah for me.
This comprehension on the book makes me want to read it although I worry it may be too advanced. Some great points are made and shed Light on the secular hegemony we are living in.
I do feel slightly pessimistic when thinking what environment my children are going to be navigating !!!
Imam Tom is a window to a deeper understanding of a human and this window is provided by the Islamic outlook. The real discovery is the basis of the SHARIA, that makes us human. Very interesting research.
I borrowed the book from library. It really is an advanced book; finding it a bit difficult to read.
Thank you so much.. I’m an avid follower of this channel.. can you please do an episode on Critical Race Theory, and Islam’s position with regard to such theory? (since it’s the burning, ambiguous and much controversial topic)
Love that conversation
As usual imam Tom is fabulous
Mr. Blogging Theory, coming across this channel has been extremely refreshing, i Thankyou very much for that. May I please ask you about the true unbiased history of the crusades, if that’s something you know about.
Salam from Singapore 🙏
Simply amazing!
Thank you
It's interesting to compare the starting points on what humans are with your other interview about the Russian philosopher who also delved into that question.
Barakallahu feekum
Almost 10k views why not like the video as well guys come on!
You gentleman are extremely well-read. Another excellent discussion. How do you spell 'khilafah' in 'khilafah paradigm'?
The way you have spelled it is exactly how you would spell it :)
In Arabic, it would be spelled like this: خلافہ
Mashallah brother tom got that quirky camera
(Look at his bookshelf)
Can you translate these great videos to Arabic please so a lot of people will benefit from this
Thanks
Talal Asad speeches available on youtube are very hard to finish here.
His father's books and life story is very interesting. Maybe do an episode on that too.
Amazing
awesome barakallafeek
Thank you again for a mind broadening lecture. I agree with very much of the logic and conclusions reached. A main theme bears more contemplation. Modernity has certainly subordinated religion which in the past was called Truth. But isn't it so that much of that "truth" has been proven to be untrue? Is the Pope infallible? Used to be. Does the sun, by religious dicta, orbit the earth? Used to.
You noticed that both the speakers are Muslims, right ?
Any way, AFAIU the whole point is secularism/naturalism is a "Religion" by itself, very similar to Christianity if we compare ,but acts as if it is not.
It has it own metaphysical assumptions, doesn't bother to prove it, it self-defines itself as a "truth", it labels its opposition as "terrorists", "separatists", "anarchists" , and it punishes those "heretics" with the solid hand of authority.
It has it own "Books", "Sharia/law system" , "Moral views", and even rituals : National holidays, parades, anthems , etc
@@midoevil7 You honor me with your reply. Thank you. I understood a main point being that the West erred when it left religious "truth" for secularism. My point is that the old religious "truth" has turned out to not be true, as the critics of Christianity on this blog have correctly pointed out.
Assalamualaikum Paul :))))
Wa alaykumu s-salam
Muslims ummah without boundaries....
Assalamualaikum, first may Allah bless both for this eye opening discussion.
Request for who can point to the first part. And was the third part done already?
Jazakoum Allah Khair
barakallah feek
Salamualaikum Brother Paul hope you are well, is it possible that you invite Marijn Van Puten for a dscussion about the Quran, and also is there any book that talks in detail about the Topkapi Manuscript,Samarkand Kufic Quran and the Blue Qur'an? would be of much wisdom and knowledge. Walaykumassalam.
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Also the secular definition of religion, is more to make people understand in the classroom that we have commonality so people don't want to hate eachother. Not necessarily stating they're the same. Being taught in New York in the u.s we were taught the difference in highschool as well as the similarity to reduce prejudice. And it works where it is practiced.
It's not the secular definition of religion we're analyzing, it's the very category of religion itself that implies that "religions" are fundamentally the same. Before there was the word and concept "religion," people used concepts such as Truth and Falsehood, Faith and Infidelity, etc. One can only think to rationally group Islam, Christianity, Buddhism etc. together in one category by accepting a degree of sameness, something a non-secular subjectivity cannot do. As a Muslim who believes that Islam is the truth sent by my Creator, all other "religions" are false.
To assume that in order to decrease prejudice we have to work through the category of "religion" is premature. I can deny the validity of something and not be prejudiced towards its members. Rather, this shows something particular about Euro-American Christian culture--carried into the secular age--and its trouble tolerating difference.
All things we have covered in these videos.
I was mostly talking about the school bit but all the same its not that simple in my opinion. It's a broad classification but there are also the minor classifications such as monotheistic, polytheistic ect, then in the classroom, they break down doctrines of each faith. It's not like at least from my experience, they blanket all the religions into one simple lesson and call it a day. They even tested us on the 5 pillars of Islam and this is post 9/11 N.Y.S Now if you were to go 3 states south I bet the curriculum would be along the same lines as what you are saying. If not extraordinarily exclusively western religious history. The problem is, people start arguing about which truth is truth and probably that exact reason is why they came up with a broad term like "religion" in the first place. Sometimes it's the language, but other times the language was made like that for historical reasons. And I nor anyone else knows the true origins of that word. So for all we know it could have come after a religious war took many lives and people then vowed to stop speaking in superiority over others beliefs. I also know prejudice certainly mostly comes from ignorant people who think their truth is the only one to be taught to their children. If they were to decide it was up to parents, the U.S would have an increase in hate crimes in ten years if not less. I definitely see the validity in your point, language builds a society. But society also builds it's language. Which one is the answer is the hard part and depends on the word I think. Also see problems with trying to implement difference when many older folks don't understand because they were taught the whole "no race but the human race" virtue in school. It's draining for them to change the mentality in racial terms. As for younger folks opinions are where they find their intolerance which can be equally bad. I don't know what we can all do to fix the problem other than talk even though we may differ. But the French are definitely inviting hatred with their xenophobic laws and I know are far more secular in their nature. But hate will be brought to them as well and the whole thing will be exacerbated by then justifying their xenophobia and the cycle continues. Just as it does everywhere else where anyone is not the same. Examples can be seen in modern eastern civilizations as well. Not sure if it's solely due to colonization or if it's simply human in nature. Thank you for the discussion and these videos. Don't get enough vigorous intellectual conversation where I live lol happily reading the Quran btw it's a very nice experience.
@@MobytheMonster Right, but classifications have metaphysical principles and stances behind them, they're never truly neutral. To decide to categorize Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. as 'religions' assumes a commonality that is distinctly materialistic (religions are made up up rituals, symbols, practices, texts). In this way of rendering things, reality is separated from belief. What's real is the secular self and the beliefs are laid on top and rendered by their categorization as somewhat substitutable, that is the kind of separable religiosity that secularism produces and encourages. For a person whose faith is their paradigm, there is no separation between reality and belief, belief IS reality. The classification of other heresies and infidelities alongside the Truth makes a mockery of what you hold to be True. Rather, it calls for a different classification, whether Truth and Falsehood, Good and Evil, Fidelity and Infidelity, Orthodoxy and Heresy, etc.
I'm not talking about prejudice, I'm talking about the metaphysics of the category itself. They could teach you all year about different religions and give you as much granular detail as possible. The way it is classified cannot but express a certain way of looking at the world, one that is not neutral especially toward religious claims. "Religion" as a category was not just invented to stop people from arguing about what is true, it in itself is yet another, different assertion of what is true. Now, you're 100% right about the historical dimension, this is largely a response within Western Christianity because religiosity was so intolerant. But it's premature to assume that another type of classification like those mentioned above necessarily leads to prejudice and hate crimes. The politics of what to do about difference is a very separate question from the question of difference itself.
Glad to hear you're reading the Quran, happy reading.
To be a human carries a lots of responsibilities and SHARIA shows the windows to those responsibilities. Important considerations for Christians, Buddhists and Hindus.
I was thinking about characterization by Imam Tom @16:10 about categories; Is it correct to assume that in Sharia based system, where category that en-composes Muslims, can also include animals or inanimate objects (vis-a-vis Citizen) since they could be considered Muslim (in sense submitting to will of God) that would, by extension, afforded particular treatment under Sharia?
Since channel name is blogging theology, i would like to ask you if you are gonna cover dharmic faiths? It's about 1.7 billion combined population.
What about bodily mutilation because one thinks he's trapped in the wrong body?
Wonder what the conclusion will be?
brother Paul, I know you may had a bad experience with JayDyer and I know that he is sometimes aggressive verbally. but please, don't let me beg you, several Muslims are converting to orthodox because of him, please try to find a way for Him and Dr.Ali Ataie to talk and clarify the misconceptions about Islam. I think in these times, it's crucial to come together with the Orthodox Christians.Jay has good faith, i've watched many of his videos, I don't think he has any bad intent. جزاكم الله كل خير.
you are not Muslim
Orthodox Christianity are far pagan
#IntellectualBrainFood
Is TOM the Imam's registered birth name?
Yes, Imam Tom Faccine is an American of italian origins that accepted islam some years ago. Alhamdoulillah. May Allah increase him in khair.
@@karimb972
Thank you!
TOM???
The Bible states man is above all other of Gods creations, which is why western normative culture treats animals in disrespectful ways. Things are changing a bit with us younger folks. Also, living in the United States, as much as we claim secular laws, a lot of our culture is very puritan in nature. Politicians talk about God even on the left. Part of our nationalism born in the 50s include puting God in the pledge of allegiance and on the dollar. Anyone who is outside of that Christian culture is scapegoated and shunned by people who also are okay with human torture and the people who aren't are usually a lot more poor unless they're a celebrity. Our laws are being shifted by extremely Christian people and that is why I don't personally condemn secularism, though I condemn laws and foreign policy trying to universally paint laws and treaties based on one particular world view.
What you're observing is not an anti-secular religiosity, it is the instrumental use of religion by the secular nation state. As we have explained in these videos, secularism is not the absence of or separation from religion, it is the production of certain acceptable forms of religion and religiosity.
@@TomFacchine thank you for the clarification
28:31
Turkey and Malaysia are the only developed islamic countries
Do you know why ? Because they have secularism
You forgot Saudi Arabia.
Malaysia isn’t a secular country
Qatar is 3 times richer than turkey
@@perfect7357 Saudi Arabia and qatar are advanced because of oil
They produce nothing besides that and in the future they will have a big problem when the oil run out
Is that seriously your argument? Tell me something, when the Islamic caliphate was the ruling power in the world for many centuries, and during the Islamic golden age, were the Muslim lands secularized? No, they were ruled according to Sharia. What about the Ottoman caliphate prior to western powers invading and dissolving it using the divide-and-conquer strategy? Was it secularized? No, again, it was ruled according to Sharia. Muslim lands being "less developed" is only a recent phenomenon that was unprecedented in history, and it stems directly from invasions and attacks from foreigners, primarily western aggressors.
So it is clear that in the bible there is no command to worship Jesus or pray on behalf of Jesus. But somehow Christians actually practice teachings that are not the teachings that were conveyed by Jesus himself but the teachings of the bible writers (who can change, add to, even subtract & hide the truth of Jesus' teachings and write them down in the bible). Unfortunately, they believe in Christian preachers (past & present) who are misguided & lie (mislead). Now you Christian preachers who are misguided and religious liars dare to oppose/challenge the words of Allah swt (the almighty God, creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is in it), you are instead following in the footsteps of the accursed devil (by slapping your lusts by being indifferent) in your own life let alone others, you are really ignorant, stubborn & arrogant, like people who are blind, deaf & have no place in the heart to accept & acknowledge the truths of Allah swt (which are contained in the Quran & Hadith). Then Allah has promised you a return to the eternal hell which contains a very hot hell fire and very painful torments.
DEAR YOU ALL, those books are indeed wonderful, even better than the Holy Kitaab, but they never accomplish anything for the collectivity - and SATAN LAUGHS AS HE REMAINS THE SOVEREIGN RULER WORLDWIDE!
BAFS
Satan does not rule anything. The Sovereign Ruler Worldwide is Allah SWT. Brother, erase that non sense, it goes against basic islamic Aqeeda. salam aleykoum
@@karimb972
Keep dreaming!
Yet dismemberment for alphabet people is celebrated
Stop lying
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques )
Quran 22:40
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ?
( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? )
Quran 5 48
''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions
Islam mean "submission" to God
( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God )
Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God?
Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work.
Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God )
The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds )
God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him.
( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa )
Quran 5:5
''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.''
Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion.
Question to Muslim and Christian:
Does God / Allah only answer your pray ?
And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray?
Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity?
Quran 5:48
'' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise )
On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils.
'' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
'' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
Secularism is addressing human wellbeing…Islamism is addressing Islamic supremacy. Secular thinkers care about truth. Muslim apologist care to present Islam true. The declaration of human rights is compiled by self evident basic laws that serve human wellbeing. The only ppl that find those controversial are no surprisingly ppl that doesn’t really care about wellbeing. Don’t confuse apologist for skeptics.
Tell me you didn't watch the videos without telling me you didn't watch the videos...
@@TomFacchine Tom i will make a video response in my channel and i will be very careful not to misrepresent you, sir. Point taken.
Secularism cannot decide human well being...
What is secularism , who is secularism to tell people about their well being.
There is Nothing on the back of secularism to rely on..
Secularism do not give ppl a purpose of life..it has no moral limits..
If today secularism is saying gay lasbian is ok..
Tomorrow it can easily say to sex with your fathers n mothers..
Secularism gave nothing to this world...but just a selfish and moraless society
@@deception6666 Human wellbeing is not an abstract decision of some deity. There are obviously real things in the real world that favour human wellbeing in relation to our physiology. If Allah tomorrow claims drinking battery acid favours human wellbeing he will simply be wrong. Reason and evidence overstate Islamic revelations when it comes to truth.
@@TomFacchine Nice Comment
I do not agree with the Idea that Muslims are Ummah in this age in particular for the following reasons.
First, we Muslims as a whole are separated from each other and every Muslim nation has its own Islam ideas and philosophy which is different from the others.
Second, We have many Islamic sects like Sufi Ummah, Shiites Ummah, Sunni Ummah...etc.
Third, within each Muslim nation there are different groups, there is the political movement group, the Quranic group, the liberal group, the Brotherhood of Islam...etc. and each of those claim to be right and deserve to lead the Muslims.
Until the whole Muslims unite on the right bath first there will not be no Islamic Ummah.
And whoever say that a Khalifa will unite them all he is hallucinating because no sect or group will submit to him (إن الله لا يغير ما بقوم حتى يغيروا ما بأنفسهم) Allah will not change the people until they change themselves.
there will always be sects, it is the nature of humans,
It is more about how those sects act together to fulfill the greater goal
Imam and Tom are oxymoron 😀
And you're just a moron 😜🤥
Unfortunately stupidity and the troll slayer are not.
Not really
@@RainBoltZz I don't talk to racists
@@DePeaceHunter Yeah. It just sounded strange.