Does a Cold Air Intake REALLY Give You More Horsepower???
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- This totally varies per car and turbo, the only thing we had to test this on is the ST 😂 hope you enjoy and that you had a great Thanksgiving!
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when adding bolt ons, and putting it on a dyno without a tune specifically for those bolt ones, numbers aren't going to change, some bolts ons are required for example for a big turbo you're going to need a cobb cold air intake for more air flow because the stock one won't handle it. you're not adding a bolt onfor horse power. you're adding a bolt on to withstand the horsepower your tuner pushes your car too, stock charge pipes, intake, downpipe helps handle the horse power added its not giving it horse power, its adding it
Thanks for dedicating the time and energy to help the rest of us. Respect.
I just installed my JBR 3" intake. Seeing these results and hearing the change in my car, I'm perfectly happy with the results. I get the whoosh and flutter while still having a quick car that's mostly stock. Just got it in November (3 months -ish) and still love it. Gonna keep it mild but maybe do resonator delete and possibly different exhaust tips.
The exhaust on that thing sounds like a WW II German Stuka dive bomber without the siren.
ST can make a lot of power :D . Nice video with a clear comparison. I THINK I AM AN OG
Yeah I think you are too😂 you've literally been here since the beginning!
Bro is literally sucking hot air directly from the engine bay.
Sounds badass though didn’t change my mind about getting one
Watched the whole vid. Thank you good stuff! I will not be getting an intake lol you saved me 350! Did sound good though! I liked of course you deserved that!
Glad to help!
Here’s my like, definitely a great video bro cheers and thank you for doing all that crap for us lol
🤣🤣🤣 Bruv your low key awkwardly funny but I fucks wit guy is like Ima stop hi fiving OG STUTS
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Thanks for doing this fellas 👍you just saved me $$$
Great video. Thanks guys.
To spend $250-$350 on a CAi on a stock FoST and stock turbo makes no logical sense. Yeah sure you'll get some cool intake noises but I digress. Your money could be better spent on something more beneficial like lighter wheels and stickier tires, FMIC, Downpipe, Catback Exhaust, Chassis Bracing, Suspension, Endlinks, Rear Sway Bar, RMM, Engine Mounts, Bigger Turbo..etc
Closing argument, the factory tune, turbo and ECU can only handle and meter so much air. On a bigger turbo you MIGHT see some noticeable gains. On a side note, the factory intake/RS Air Box can handle 400hp with ease. If you're looking for a more aesthetically pleasing look under your hood, sure by all means buy an intake of your liking, just don't expect anything more than induction noise.
I have had my 2018 FoST going on 3 years now and have yet to open my wallet and buy a CAi, I am still running my AEM Dry-Flow Air Filter and a FoRS Air Box lid. Going big turbo in the next few months or so, a tune and CPe 5.5 FMIC but as " science " has proven, money can be better invested elsewhere.
With the RS Air Box Lid, did you replace the accordion section of the stock intake as well? Just wondering if it's beneficial to do so. I'm going the same route you've mentioned.
@@bacchusthompson5834 I replaced the smaller section closest to the air box with Moutunes offering.
I know this is an old video, but would you test out a throttle body spacer difference? I see all the bs claiming a throttle body spacer will improve power as much as a cold air intake.
Did you put the colder plugs in? You have to do that so the ECU can add the full amount of advance or you'll get detonation.
It didnt make a difference because the ecm targets a specific torque figure and will do its best to make that, unless it hits it’s temp or octane limiters and stuff, right?
Auto manufacturers put a lot of research in designing oem intakes. Even some of that extra tubing and chambers aren’t just for reducing sound, but to increase air flow under all conditions and reduce any cavitation. The only thing I’ve ever noticed was a slight lowering of intake air temps while stopped. Don’t think it was enough to affect power though. It they do look good under the hood and sound good,
That’s all I noticed too my iat’s were significantly lower. Used to be 120+ and with that they’d be around 85. But also the sound was well worth it for the fun haha.
I changed my name bc I don’t have my jeep anymore but thanks for the shout out 🤘🏽🤘🏽😂
Maybe this is true for a boosted engine, but I am sure that N/A engines will benefit from a quality cold air intake, especially if the stock OEM setup is restrictive.
It won't make a difference unless the engine is not run by an ecu
@@u-know-this Is that because you assume that the factory ECU will counter the additional air volume supplied by the aftermarket intake? I wouldn't think that would be the case.
From my understanding the ECU would need to richen the mixture, and by adding more fuel because it is detecting more air can only mean additional power.
Either way, a tune would be needed to maximize gains.
@@zombieqtr i am not assuming thats how an engine management system computer works its job is to ensure the engine gets the same fuel air mixture per engineering specs. The only way to change the specs is to get it tuned. Specifically in modern cars. Older ones with no Ecu' are different of coarse
Most stock intakes are tried and tested. And do a pretty decent job for the car! Honda’s seem to respond well with intakes. But ford don’t seem as good.
Hondas don't respond without a tune
Saved me $350 lol. this is real RUclips.
Awesome video! Would like to see the same comparison with catless DP to stock DP. Been reading the forums that it might not even be worth the hassle to buy and install a DP. Guess the turbo is so small in these cars its out of breath no matter how much it gets potential airflow.
That would be a great video! Let me see if I can get my hands on a stock Downpipe👀
@@BenLovrien You'd be making a huge favor to the tuning community if you did this! So many people arguing over eachother whether it makes a difference or not. And new enthusiasts like me are confused whether to get a DP or is it just a waste of money and time. With a big turbo of course not but with the stock turbo it might be.
The stock vs catless won't make much difference on the same tune... As mentioned in these comments, the bolt ons allow for a more aggressive tune. The dp itself won't do much of anything, with the possibility of losing power..
So what you're wondering is if a catless aftermarket downpipe and a supporting tune will make more power than a stock downpipe and stock tune- and the answer is, undoubtedly, duh.
You guys just save me some money on my Edge ST. LOL.....
The stock intake flows over well enough for over 400whp, hence why you're seeing no gain. If you were on aux fuel with a BT you would 100% see a bump from the CAI. It's just not a necessary power mod for the stock turbo.
I'M AN OG and watched to the end!
HELL yea Mike!😂
Thinking about getting an ST. Thoughts? Should I do it?
If you can get one with mileage under 50K and at a decent price & trim definitely do it!
Subscribed buddy thanks for the help!
You should also add that Cobb is FALSLY ADVERTISING any power gains, or do they do like a number of intake manufacturers do and stipulate in fine print that the power increase is only "ESTIMATED?"
Forced induction over rides any cold side flow increases....15 PSI of boost is 15 PSI boost no matter how you get it. Only way to make more power is to increase amount of gas and air the engine is using...or to release power from parasitic energy consumption in the engine. Electric water pump, crank windage, alternator cut off, AC cut off etc.... Good scientific approach, thanks for doing it.
I wonder how my GE8 Honda fit would perform.
What upgrades have you done to your st?
IM AN OG AND STAYED TILL THE END
As soon as I installed my intake, I think I felt a more rapid throttle response 😂
Same!
u can also just replace stock air filter with high flow air filter
Hybrid Turbo would be worth looking into. Cheaper than going Big Turbo and some decent gains for the dollar.
You can pick up a BNR 2867 or 3071 for $1600
Throw a big turbo like the rest of us lol more power baby
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how’s your reliability after big turbo?
@@the_officialpeterson4896 still new to the big turbo but holding up good so far key points are high maintenance and proper driving
@@the_officialpeterson4896 we have a guy in our group making good power on a bt he's at 70k miles so far
Dude, I also just bought a complete induction kit and although it sounds so great, it literally made no more power.
Yeah definitely just for sound but the enjoyment for $300~ was absolutely worth it👍🏻
Turbo cars don't see much if any gain for a Cold Air Intake.. a N/A will see some gains.
They make a lot more power than a normal four-cylinder!
Go with a full stage 3 kit and then get it custom tuned to run on e30. The car is soo much more fun after those mods. Makes about 285 wheel hp and 385 lbs of torque to the wheels.
Great st video, any thoughts on how to get our st's to hook?
Thay would be tires. And motor mounts help. But tires. r888r. And a tb performance torque gusset bar helps stabilize the chassis as well.
But will a cold air intake give you a hp gain if u still have a stock exhaust on it🤔
Liked your video 👍 thanks for showing the results 🚗🪽🔥💪
Sounds like my go kart!
😂😂
I used to have a cobb CAI on my ST, I always thought it felt slightly slower, thanks for confirming it.
Well Cobb intake is mostly stock diameter. So you'll get better flow but roughly the same volume. Of the car is not tuned after the install, your gains will be none. A big fat intercooler and 3" downpipe, plus a proper TUNE will absolutely get you many horsepowers.
More HP and TQ than my car.. but my car is fun to drive, I guess the 28xx weight adds to the fun..
Intakes do help lmao
Try a air duct picking cold air on the from of the car, to see if it have any gains
Love it...I have a cpe intake
Focus ST is slow but that torque is just fun to feel
That was my favorite thing about the car
I'M AN OG & I WATCHED TO THE END!
Thank you Jonathin!!!
Good job! Science win.
Not really that much of an OG but I’m excited for your future content. Nice vid my dude
Trust me man you’re an OG👍🏻
I don’t know what an OG is but I stayed to the end!!
Just means you’re one of the original supporters😊👍🏻
Original gangster
Great, I just got an ST and was thinking a cold air intake is useless. I might just pop the lid off the stick intake
The car already had a cold air intake from factory, did absolutely nothing and so the result were absolutely nothing.
Do one thing take your stock filter out and put it in the fridge, take it out when its cold AF put it back on the car and dyno it on stock tune, you will see the difference of cold air.
Sorry, but if you dont follow the instructons the CAI intakes, you'll lose HP and torque. Are you 2 mechanical engineers or mechsnics? When my CAI was installed, my VCM was reflashed to calibrate it for the new intake. There was a very noticeable increase in horsepower.
Yes actually. And my friend there is the best kdm tuner in the world. Literally. We tuned for the intake and also tested with the stock tune and there was only marginal difference. Like we said in the video.
Also you don’t have to be a mechanical engineer to use a screw driver and a socket set lol😂 but you do have to be a software engineer and have familiarity with tuning cars, which Nate there is not only a licensed cobb/pro tuner, but he is the head tuner for SXTH element and like I said, the best KDM tuner in the world on top of probably best in other platforms as well.
@@BenLovrien I took a look at my K&N CAI today, for a completely different reason. The heat shield protects it from engine heat, and the cone filter is literally aimed directly at the 2nd Gen Xterra intake hole, which is in the wheel well. One part where K&N didn't do a good job, IMO, is that there's a large hole where the custom intake tube goes into the heat shield. That should be sealed off retaining part. For both cold air reasons, and vibration reasons. After 8 years, the bolt from the K&N bracket to the intake tube worked itself loose, and fell out somewhere on the road. There was a rattling sound at idle which concerned me, so I figured it out myself (the Nissan dealer was worthless). Modern, computer controlled engines, have the ability to adjust for air density and temperature coming from the intake. So, you're telling me that a non-restrictive air flow, with the intake aimed directly at the stock intake hole, won't yield any performance gains? I'm sorry, but they doesn't pass muster. These CAIs might yield less performance increases than the manufacturer's specs. However, I've seen an Xterra dyno video where they compare all the CAI brands, and compare them to stock. The increase in power is clearly evident.
@@BenLovrien since you seem to have knowledge on this subject, where are you located? I'm in Northern VA. I've wanted to get extra performance from my 2911 Xterra Pro-4X for a long time. All I did was have the K&N CAI installed. It sounds like with a CAI, an aftermarket exhaust (NISMO now sells one), and a tuner chip, you can get significant performance gains. There used to be a tuner chip sold for 2nd Gen Xterras & Frontiers. It had 3 modes if I remember correctly. It had a high MPG mode, a regular mode, and a high HP mode. I'm not sure if it's still sold. If you guys can install this stuff, and tune my Xterra for decent gains, I'm willing to travel a reasonable distance. It really depends on where you're located.
Focus st's make so much Hp man
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Ty
i want one soo bad
Remember us old farts telling young people those are pointless? Maybe boomer knows something?
Took me 3 hours to swap intake pipes...such a pain in the ass. Lol mostly sliding the piping into the coupler on the turbo. Scratched the shit out of my JBR 3 inch intake pipe on that wafer thin oem
Strut tower bar. You got an intercooler on that car? I hear you can get 15-20 hp with one.
That’s the next power mod!
I just need an intercooler and I’ll full bolt-on’s, gonna pair that with the CPE charge pipe with an HKS SSQV bov. Then taking my car in to get dyno tuned...can’t wait. Haha
If you want subscribe to me. I’m gonna buy some go pro camera gear and start my own channel of ST content. Just kinda slow going at the moment with starting a new job and all. Love the videos.
@@jessebudelman you dont ask people to sub to you especially without content and as a competeting segment on youtube thats just rude my friend. You get organic views and build from scratch like the rest of us (this is a ghost account)
@@truthtimetv4575 how is that rude? I just tossed it out there. Take it or leave it. 💁🏻♂️
IM AN OG and I made till the end
Ayeeee
Does it still shoot flames
Honestly idk, I haven’t tried in a while, probably not on this tune, the more aggressive one for sure
Try putting a battery powered air conditioner right in front of the intake.
OG here. You need to go big turbo. Pick up over a 100whp and tq
Stock clutch should be more than fine plenty big turbo guys running stock everything transmission wise
She’s gettin a little worn, starting to slip during normal driving so I got worried😬
Big turbo is actually easier on your clutch tbh, you lose a lot of low end torque. Makes torque steer when driving basically disappear too
@@BenLovrien how many miles do you have... I'm still on my Stock Clutch with no slip and I'm turning 130k.
@@td7122 not entirely true im on a big turbo and it torque steers like a mother lol
@@bryanluna6042 which turbo you running?
A stupid test cos the car isn’t standard it’s got an exhaust and an intercooler, and the standard filter isn’t standard cos it’s a cone filter.??
Guys hitting your engine with a hammer actually makes it faster
+5 hp per hit
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It does NOT make more power to any car 😅😅😅 but if u put an intercoller with 2.5' piping straight to the intake well let's just say I have 10+ power now 😉
Stock tune definitely doesn’t make 258whp. You must have loaded Cobb stage 1 map or something
Nope😂 that’s a factory map, look back to the first time we ever dynoed this car, made about the same thing. Video is titled something like tuning my focus ST episode 1.
6:20 would be the time stamp to go to on that old video as well.
@@BenLovrien that doesn’t make any sense. A st makes 30-40whp from a tune.
Stock they dyno 210-225. Depending on heat soak.
Keep in mind I’ve got like 6 stickers on my car, so that’s like 5 wheel horsepower per sticker lol
Honestly idk why it made that much on the factory map, must just be a happy car plus the full exhaust
I'm an OG....
you show the 'dyno' prior but never after.. hmmm! CAI is for temp mostly we all know that
"CAI" is to take your money.
Never dyno with the hood up
Why not?
Damn no power made sad
Me too😂
MO POWA BABEH. Ben waiting on some content! :)
RIGHT ON THE DOT!
*drops .5*
You didn't see that 😂
P.s. get you some hearing protection. Tinnitus, and hearing damage is NOT fun.
NOT AN OG BUT STAYED TILL THE END
Focus St's don't make any power. You're welcome.....
I ' M A N O G. Had to make it fat
Yes!😂
Focus STs don’t make any power.
Def not even close to the worst sounding 4 cylinders. Just a horrible exhaust on this car. The Ford 4cyl and especially the 4cyl T motors sound so good if you don’t cheap out and just hack mufflers/ resonators off or straight pipe. Not saying that’s what you’ve done. But that cannot be a good reputable exhaust manufacturer set up on that car. Sounds NOTHING like my ST with a magnaflow
Also an intake alone on a booster motor really makes no difference. It’s all about IAT’s. The factory Airbox flows plenty air. The benefit of a aftermarket is tuning for more airflow and therefore more fuel. But you’re compressing that air so fast it’s heating up so it really only comes to a good front mount setup. Also. Please ditch that horrendous exhaust.. the ST deserves to sound deep, unique, throaty, poppy. Not like a Honda with a straight pipe and fart can.
Driving forward forces more air into the intake than sat still
Focus ST don't make alot of power
This dyno test is so stupid. Do you run your car on the road with the HOOD UP?????
I… is this satire?😂
Focus sts don’t make any power
Yeeeees😂😂
My st is at about 386tq my mom hates it😂
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Elantra Sports doesn't make any power lol
Look up some content bro , but they make about 180 whp I have a VN DCT and I’ve gapped many’s modded focus st
@@anthonymccomb4782 I know that it was just a good joke between me and Ben because I own a 18 blue fbo Elantra sport DCT last engine related mod I need to get is a tune from sixth element, sadly there's not a whole lot of Elantra sport content on RUclips there's a lot more on the Facebook group pages.
@@THETHRASHER88 yea I was in mostly all the es Facebook groups , but hey if you know anybody needing a set of 21 VN led headlamps HMU I got a brand new set still in the box ordered them then turned around and traded my 19 manual N that 8 speed N DCT is way way way better than the 7 speed dct my es had
I ordered the led map dome led lights for my es then wound up getting a oil change looked and test drove the dct and feel in love lol 😂 but they fit the n line Elantra , Elantra sport and few others HMU on Facebook if interested their cool as hell
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no intake and those are the 'dyno' #'s... not true
Focus st don’t make any power😂
what would you know about HP lol
@@Siriusgxmiq I had a Ford Focus.