Dr Kat and the Symbols of the Six Wives of Henry VIII
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2019
- The Tudors were experts at shaping and controlling their public image; in this video, I'm looking at how Henry VIII and his wives used heraldic badges to achieve just that.
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Crowned Tudor Rose badge of Henry VIII, from Wikimedia Commons
Anonymous 16th-century woodcut of the coronation of Henry VIII of England and Catherine of Aragon showing their heraldic badges, the Tudor rose and the pomegranate. From Stephen Hawes, A Joyfull Medytacvon to All Englande (1509), printed Wynkyn de Worde, 4to, n.d. (Cambridge University Library), a single sheet with a woodcut of the coronation of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon. From Wikimedia Commons.
Badges of the Six Wives, from the Weidenfeld and Nicolson Archives.
My favorite part is that you can just imagine Anne Boleyn spending many of the six years she was waiting to be queen to plan every detail of her crest, versus Katherine Howard's, which has big "I need a what?" energy.
Due to the fact that I also teach (chemistry) at the University of Camerino in Italy, I speak a few European languages but English is certainly the most vehicular across the planet. Your English is crystal clear, with breaks that allow a non-native speaker time to reason. The topic is fascinating. I love history when it is explained in a non-confused way. Thanks.
Maria Consuelo Dr. Kat does have a very beautiful and distinctive voice and accent!!
What a great compliment and one I agree with. Diction is so important. thank you Dr Kat.
Amen to that!
Amen! You can say that again! Thanks Dr. Kat..
Coral Lewis.. America
Dr. Kat epitomizes the lovely clear language of an intelligent, articulate, well-educated lady. She’s an excellent model for all young women.
Would just love to see a video of Henry's children's mottos and badges!
I can certainly do that, I'll pop this on the topic list. Thank you!
@@ReadingthePast Was thinking the same thing--it would be interesting to see what all the Tudors were projecting in their badges. Including Henry VII.
I’m huge fan of yours Dr Kat. You’ve inspired me to go to University and get a PHD in history. I’d ultimately like to be a Historian in Canadian and North American history and war history. I’ve been researching my genealogy for about two years and it’s really been a labour of love and fascination for me. I’d love to be able to teach others and help them to have a better understanding about our Canadian heritage. I feel like there’s just simply not enough out there
Could you do the symbols of the queens of the wars of the roses? I would love to see the symbols of Catherine of Valois, Margaret of Anjou, Elizabeth Woodville, Anne Neville, and Elizabeth of York. These women are amazing and deserve their own videos.
I second this!
I'm so glad I recently found your channel Dr Kat, it's fantastic. I thought I would share something interesting about Catherine of Aragon. I grew up in Peterborough and she is buried in Peterborough Cathedral. If you ever go there then you will almost always find, without fail, pomegranates left on her tomb and candles in memory of her from visitors to her grave. I think it's fantastic (and probably says something about how Catherine's maintained that image throughout history as a good Queen and a hard done by woman) that people still take the time to remember and pay tribute to her like that.
I have Anne Bolyens Falcon Badge tattooed on my arm. As she is my favorite historical figure. Even if I named after Catherine Parr
Ah, however sweet Anne was, as a Kate, driven by knowledge, I dearly value Catherine, for the same.
That's one of the coolest tattoos I've ever heard of! Have you watched Claire Ridgway's Anne Boleyn & Tudor Files videos? She has a tattoo of Anne's handwriting, an inscription from one of Anne's Books of Hours- in French which I can't remember, but it says, "The time will come. Anne Boleyn."
That’s wonderful!
I’d love you to do a video about the history and symbols of the Order of the Garter , Order of the Bath, and Order of the Thistle.
Thank you, onto the list they go!
That would be awesome!
Funny to see that the only with royal blond (CoA) is the humble one, and the most flamboyant is for the one who everybody sees as upstart (or at least her family).
Fake it till you make it?
Lol but they all had royal blood. Anne of Cleves especially. Henry didn't marry commoners, he just slept with them.
Wrong, of course. She was upholding the supremacy of the Catholic Church & the sanctity of their marriage - & the legitimacy of her daughter. Your whole "step aside" nonsense is ridiculously modern & the idea that any royal prince would marry Mary *under those conditions* even more ridiculous.
Elizabeth Frantes YIKES.
@@SafetySpooon Nonsense. While CoA was certainly upholding the power of the Catholic Church, royal marital rearrangements were never uncommon. In fact, Henry's sister Margaret was granted a divorce when her second marriage proved to limit her possibilities.
Please continue with this series- tell us of Mary, Elizabeth, and Edward Tudor as well as Jane Grey and her husbands badges. Thank you!
I would listen to you reading the dictionary. You have such a calm and soothing voice. I'm a huge history buff and so pleased I found you. Keep up the great work.
This makes me want to come up with my own motto and badge
Those symbols really described their lives.
Eerie, is it not?
Good presentation. I like Ann of Cleve's badge and motto the best. The Lord Jesus did keep her from that demonic "king".
Poor Little Kathy Howard....😣
Yewp, I’m glad she survived Henry.
@@ieatgremlins You have your Catherines mixed up. Catherine PARR survived, Catherine HOWARD lost her head. Easily done.
Amen!
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 Could it be that Carla meant Ann of Cleves? After all, this thread was about her.
That was fascinating. I have never seen the badges. They were like talisman in their prophecy.
With the exception of Katherine Howard's. Don't get me wrong; I feel for her and don't view her in any negative way. She was so young, and found herself in a lion's cage.
Another informed video, Dr. Kat: Thank you! Catherine of Aragon's pomegranate symbol was so ironic, wasn't it, as this symbol of fertility did not reflect her childbearing history. But the Spanish word for "pomegranate" is "Granada," so Queen Catherine encoded her royal, Spanish heritage in her emblem.
Didn't know that, thank you.
My daughter is named “Cathryn” too! Love the name!
CL.. America..
Actually she was quite fertile, I believe she got pregnant several times but couldn't carry them.. seems to be the norm with Henry's wives.. must be in the water there.. 😞
@@corallewis3093 Yep, she was pregnant 6 times. 2 stillborn daughters (1st & last children), 2 sons either stillborn or died very soon after birth (3rd & 4th children), a son- Henry Duke of Cornwall (2nd child)- who was born healthy but died of unknown causes aged 52 days, & of course Mary I (5th child.) I actually don't think that's particularly out of the ordinary for the times! Likewise, Anne had Elizabeth I, then either a late miscarriage or stillbirth soon after Henry's jousting accident, & Anne at least thought the shock was responsible. I'm not even sure if she had a miscarriage after that- I think it was something like, there was talk at court of her being pregnant a 3rd time, but nothing came of it, so she might've been pregnant but miscarried, or might not have been pregnant at all. And she & Henry weren't married long.
@@beth7935 I think it was -
1. A miscarried girl.
2. A live son named Henry, who died at 52 days.
3 & 4. Either stillborn sons, or perhaps both died hours after birth.
5. Mary Tudor, future Queen of England.
6. Stillborn daughter.
It’s weird that everyone remembered Anne Boleyn was the home wrecker. But it was Jane Seymour who was the home wrecker
Actually its the man who is the home wrecker - he is the one who made the vows.
No it was Anne...Jane Seymour was just lined up as replacement.
Henry was the homewrecker. He started ALL that crap.
@@nobodysbaby5048 Exactly! Henry the Homewrecker
I so enjoyed this subject. Many years ago I worked as a heraldic sales representative. People were so attracted to their family crests and the symbols they represent.
One of my favourite books as a child was Heraldry Cheerfully Illustrated.
Just as with your other video on RichardIII : I'm amazed by your dedication and passion you put into your videos! Possibly that's the staterpack of being a lecturer, but I really do enjoy how well spoken you are. In combination with the information it set's the right tone for the listener :)
Regarding the video itself: It really is obscure how prophetic some of those badges were (and how close they were to cosmic comedy lol). Esp with Anne of Cleves I WISHED it was meant as a shady comment on Henry for him regarding her as ugly, but in reality it was possibly just a way to show her descent.
Anyway, thanks for uploading this piece. Keep it going :)
Thank you so much, I am really pleased that you enjoyed the video(s)!
I agree, it is odd (and in some cases tragic) how prophetic some of the badges turned out to be.
I love these kinds of videos! And I'm slogging my way through the Weir biography of Margaret countess of Lennox, and I keep wishing I could just watch your video version of the tale, just a suggestion!
Thanks, Bea! That's a great suggestion... it's now on my list!
I love Weir's books.
Fascinating topic. "Heureux/heureuse" can also mean fortunate or lucky, and I daresay Anne thought herself that at the time.
I'm so glad I found your channel a few days ago! I listen to your videos on my way to work and it makes the commute much more enjoyable.
What about a video on Charles Brandon Duke of Suffolk - he seems to have managed to keep on Henry’s good side for most of his reign even managing to marry Henry’s sister Mary He seems to have been a canny man
What about "Honi soit qui mal y pense (UK: this is is a French maxim used as the motto of the British chivalric Order of the Garter). Interesting about "Dieu and mon droit. . your channel is highly informative without being heavy. It is within everyone's reach.
Fascinating! I have read about the different badges and mottos for Henry's wives, but your explanation of the symbols is quite enlightening.
I would like to know the explanation of the Earl of Warwick's Bear and Ragged Staff. I have no clue as to how to interpret this one which represented the Kingmaker.
I've just found your channel today and I'm binge watching! I love the Tudor history especially the wives/victims of Henry. Your videos are so interesting and thought provoking, thank you 👑
So glad I found your channel last week. Great listening to your history stories.
This is by far my favorite video of yours! So fascinating! 🌹
Dr. Kat, if you are at loose ends about what to do videos about, can I ask that you consider talking about any or all of the following:
- Catherine of Aragon and/or her parents and/or her sister;
- Eleanor of Aquitaine;
- reasons that Henry VIII turned to Protestantism and whether it included the perk of increasing his own wealth by reclaiming property from monasteries and/or other catholic bodies; or,
- the history of enclosures and how it shaped private property laws, if at all.
Thank you so much! I love all your videos.
I love knowing about mottos and heralds. Great video
Love your channel and learning about England's history. Also love your theme song.
Thank you, Dr Kat. 💕💕💕
Love your videos Kat. When my grandmother did her family tree she discovers two family crests. One for Blakeslsee with two family members buried in Prees England the other I don’t remember. I find history fascinating. Thanks for your insights and information
This was amazing! Thank you so much for taking time out of your life to share your incredible knowledge xo
Dr. Kat, you're so good at not only telling it like it is, but mainly, telling it like it was! Just keep it going, pls! Thanx
Fantastic video, love this unique subject, you keep coming up with content that fleshes out parts and people I've never heard of - amazing!
I love all your videos. And I love heraldry. This channel is super!
This is a great video, Dr Kat, I learned such a lot from it! Thank you so much!
Thank you! That was very interesting 🧐
Utterly brilliant! Thank you
Hi, I am new to your channel, I live in the US but I wasn’t born here! I love the beautiful British English, along with the fascinating content. I have been obsessed with the Tudors and British history! Can you do a video about Katherine Howard?
Yes, Katherine Howard! I know there's not much too her, but surely your can find an angle, Reading the Past!
Thank you so much for this video. It was very informational for me and my love of Tudor history! Very well done.
Thank you, I'm so pleased you enjoyed it!
Great information,excellent presentation....thank you. 🙂
I love your work. Brilliant!
I love history, notably Tudor and Stewart history. Your channel is my favorite thing to play while I get ready for my day. My husband pokes fun at me because most people will listen to music while they do their morning grooming rituals, but I listen to history.
That was fascinating, thank you
really enjoyed this one
This is great, thank you.
Growing up in Manchester one of our day trips was to Ordsall hall in Salford where I was first introduced to the Tudors and the roses of Lancashire and York and was also told by elders that a bouquet of red and white flowers denoted death could this be because of Henry's history?
How odd. I am from the Black Country and it used to be that a bride never had red and white roses together in her bouquet or the church. They were seen as blood and sorrow and a bad omen for marital life. I had never even thought of it regarding Henry, but it kind of fits! Thank you for making me think of that.
Very interesting! Thank you!
FABULOUS!
I think Jane's was a reference to Ann. From her death she would rise. But she died too.
Dr Kat, thank you for wonderful video. I just discovered your channel!
Have enjoyed! Thank you:)
Anne Boleyn’s motto and badge are so fitting!
Very interesting.... thank you.
If this video had been 45 minutes long, I'd have sat through every second just as enthralled. ❤️
Hi I have just discovered your talks and they are so interesting. I have just finished Wolf Hall and am currently reading the second book, have you done any talks or do you intend to do any on Thomas Cromwell which will give me some facts alongside the fiction? Thank you 😊
If "rose without a thorn" is an appellation of Christ, it seems presumptuous of Henry to use the same term for his young wife?
That was my thought!!
Exactly! He was really trying it on all fronts after he split from the Catholic Church 😑🤦🏿
I think She picked it? Along with the motto? He is known to have called her that when they were 'courting' The idea of Henry courting is odd in itself!
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 Apparently the "Rose without a thorn" phrase applied to Catherine Howard, is in question. It may be something apocryphal according to sources.
@@annalisette5897 Yes, we know. Please keep up. Sorry,
very educational.........i really enjoyed your presentation . thank you , for sharing..........P.S. i think katherine howard's crest , was the most attractive................................
Another great video; thank you so much. Perhaps you might consider adding to your list of projects 1) the Royal Burial Ground at Frogmore and specifically 2) the tombs of Queen Victoria and Consort Prince Albert and Queen Victoria's mother., the Duchess of Kent. Thank you again!
Wow, I didn’t know about the Tudor Rose! Interesting that they represent the moments in history of the Virgin Mary. (Hope I understood that right).
Again, very interesting video, as usual. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽.
I do believe that Henry and Catherine of Aragon did have a happy marriage for a long time until Anne Boleyn came along.
Thank you for another excellent video!! ❤️🌹❤️🌹
I agree with you. Anne put a wrench in that.
@@erinmcdonald1848 thanks Erin! She sure did! 😂
fascinating thank you
Fascinating-there is also much similarity or at least symbolic usages in certain Tarot card decks. (See the work of Pamela Coleman Smith in the famous Waite Deck)
I like Catherine Howard's badge. It's a very pretty, thornless rose, much like Catherine herself.
One of my ancestors was Colonel Carlos (Carless) who was Charles II bodyguard in France - He was given a coat of arms, with the Royal Oak on it.....
I would love to see a video about Margaret Beaufort. I have always felt so badly for her since she was married and pregnant so young.
And if forces was protected by a sheild. She wasn't killed or disgraced. But got to be free and live a life of freedom protected. And no children. She didn't take in the Tudor rise but kept her cleves symbol. I think it's completely fitting.
Please explain the University arms- Oxford and Cambridge.
It is important to note that a completely happy marriage wouldn’t have included all these mistresses on the side, even before Anne Boleyn, including her own sister Mary. Henry started a lot of his own unhappiness, restlessness and Catherine had to stay beautiful and dutiful with wolves like Anne in her flock. Henry’s father was generally though to be faithful to Henry’s mother, no?
This was fascinating and in some cases very sad.
I think it would be wonderful to have an embroidery or taperstry 'kit' to make those shields.
Funny how the badges are all ironic or future telling
My confirmation name is Catherine after St Catherine of Alexandria, my church is named after her :)
Would it be possible to explain their heraldic beasts? I know boleyn's was the leopard, and seymour's was the panther, but i am not sure on the others
I would be very interested in your opinion about the Royal Coat of Arms for the future British queen, Catherine Middleton(Duchess of Cambridge) & her sister-in-law, Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Yes, what do you think about their royal symbols?
I can't help how terribly ironic or fitting all of these are, its kinda scary actually, the one that's supposed to be fertile gives only one, the one with the scepter gives the most successful child in rule, the one with the phoenix actually dies for finally having a male heir, and on and on and on.
Pretty scary actually
So glad to see this video because I always wondered about the badges of royalty. However being as I'm from America and not a country of King and Queens I still don't understand how the badges come to be.. does royalty design their own and have it made? Does nobles have one made as well or just any family? Interesting..
You have to be granted the right to have a coat of arms (to "bear arms") by the monarch, & it has to be approved through the college of heralds: you can't have the same device as someone else (it's partly about identifying people in battle, as well as the image-making Dr. Kat's talking about- that's a bigger deal for royalty), or claim something you're not entitled to, like the royal coat of arms, or the device of another noble family. It's complicated (of course!) & I don't know much more about how it works today; this is just what I've learned doing mediaeval recreation.
@@beth7935 Thank you so much for this info, very, very helpful.. I figured it would a little complicated..
@@corallewis3093 No worries, it's fun to answer questions if I know something, & I'm really happy if people answer mine! I'm Australian, so another colonial interested in their European heritage!
Hi! Another great video:) can you analyse the badges of Canadian provinces and territories, please? Thanks!
Interestingly, I don't see a tree stump in Anne's heraldry but flames. I know you are correct that it is a tree stump because the herald-speak would say that specifically. But it really looks as if it is on fire as well.
Rankings!!!!!
1. Anne of Cleves 2. Jane Seymour 3. Catherine Howard 4. Katharine of Aragon 5. Anne Boleyn 6. Katheryn Parr
thank you for another great video
Thanks for watching!
Being from U.S., I have always wondered what meaning/status is given to those people who are titled, i.e. Duke of this, or Earl of that, in the present day in Great Britain?
Dr. Kat, at that time, did the commoners, the average town folk understand what the images on the shields represented or was it only the royal court that understood. Also other royal houses throughout Europe had their shields as well, were the meanings on all the various shields universally understood. Dr. Kat would you be able to do a presentation the use of the guillotine at that time and how did these wives of Henry VIII endure such a sentence, and how did the citizenry feel and react to their Kings brutality. Thank you :-)
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I would LOVE to hear your opinion on Catherine of Aragon's claim of her first marriage not being consummated. From what I know, there's both evidence against and in favor.
That is interesting, because as a devout Catholic Katherine perjured herself either way. I have not seen anyone consider that before, an neither did I, until I read your comment. IF the marriage was not consummated but she let Arthur claim that it was, she was party to a lie. If it was and then she later claimed it wasn't she was a liar herself. Oooh Katharine! I hope you got good absolution!
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 I don’t think she was present for the conversation where Arthur was bragging about having slept with her.
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 She wasn't. And you expect a teen age bride newly wedded to call the crown prince of England a liar? Hardly an auspicious beginning to their marriage. I don't think the marriage was consummated because Arthur was already very ill when Katherine got there, but they're the only 2 that know.
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 Then why did her ladies in waiting, according to some accounts, hang blood stained sheets out of the window?
@@nobodysbaby5048 And why are you seeing this from a 21st Century, Phillppa Gregory/Tudors viewpoint? Of course she was not going to call him a liar, regardless of her age. (15 was adult then.35 isn't now! Lol) She Didn't Need to call him a liar at their marriage, but she Did need to call him a liar at the Divorce proceedings. Of Course she was going to allow them to think it was consummated when it suited all parties. When she was opposing the divorce she changed the story. So she Lied at some point. Either they did or they didn't and if she agreed that they did, then decided they didn't she is a Liar. Sorry.
So badges and mottos to them were like tattoos for us.
Sooo ... u can hv a historical carbuncle .. an architectural one & a physiological one also... I didn’t know that until today ..
Thx dr Kat 😁
Edit .. hv since learnt .. it is derived from the Latin word for red gem .. that has glow in the dark properties 🤓
Jane's phoenix looks somewhat like a chicken, and it's making me feel really bad for saying so...
Golly I want Anne of Cleves badge as a tattoo. She was such an interesting person
I agree, it's a shame she is frequently dismissed as the "ugly one"!
Going by Holbein's portrait, Anne of Cleves appears to have been the best-looking of the lot. She was portrayed as a demure young lady with fine facial features and nothing discernibly objectionable. She was not Henry's idea feminine beauty when compared with his other wives since he described her as having a body of a more mature woman rather than his preferred slim body type. It also did not help that she sabotage his planned romantic first encounter which wounded his enormous ego. Poor Anne, how was she to know that Henry, incognito was indeed her future husband? If he had turned out to be someone other than Henry, it would have caused irreparable damage to her reputation. She was wise to accept Henry's terms of "divorce" in return for a generous settlement.
Absolutely, these are excellent points. Thank you for your comment.
Also, I think it is telling that Holbein appears to have retained his position at court - if his presentation of Anne of Cleves had been a total deception surely he would have completely fallen from favour? If, like Cromwell, he had been blamed by Henry wouldn't he have left England (or been exiled)?
For me, Suzannah Lipscomb puts it best - on Henry VIII's allegation that on their wedding night he felt that Anne was smelly, fat and not a virgin - there was one person in the bed that those complaints would certainly apply to... and it wasn't Anne of Cleves!
I totally agree with Suzannah Lipscomb! Henry's description of Anne of Cleves exactly describes his own physical condition, especially the smelly aspect that was largely caused by his festering leg.Thank you for replying. I quite enjoyed the remark by Ms Lipscombe.
She's brilliant! In fact, isn't it wonderful that there are a number of excellent female academics getting the screentime and recognition they deserve?
It drives me nuts as sex is determined by the father. I wish that could have been pointed out to them!
Catherine Parr's badge looks like an intelligent woman in what she was saying. The badge looks like she is trapped and bound to this man.
Could you do the badges and motto of Edward, Mary and Elizabeth please
I know he has been gone over before but can you talk about Beau Bromley?
I've often wondered why the Heir to throne of France chose of all things to be associated with a dolphin?
David MacDowell Blue hello
The heir of the throne of France was call Le Dauphin not because of the animal, but of the district: when Humbert II sold his land to the king , He put one condition: the prince of France must take that name. The king aggreed and that it!!!
Source: chateauruine.fr/article-5081366.html
Have a nice day!
@@celineperret4331 All the history videos I've watched and No One has ever thought to mention this before? Thank You!
JoAnn Shupe you.re welcome!
I know a lot of children die in childhood but any ideas as to why Henry had wives who miscarried - illnesses ?
Also was it unusual to have a human figure like Katherine Parr on a set of arms?
She has one that theoretically diagnoses some of the things Henry VIII suffered from and the babies were mentioned as possibly beings caused by Kell's (sp?) which sounds like what we call the RH factor over here.
Thanks for responding I wrote this comment before that video came out but I have seen it and very good it is too !
Katie Parr is my girl. She saw the future in those princesses.
Doesn't there seem to be a rather clever French pun in Henry's motto? It is written "Dieu et Mon Droit" but when spoken, it can sound like "Dieu est Mon Droit" - a bit more in line with Henry's ego and sense of entitlement.
Love and obsession are not the same thing-Henry let his love die to the point of hatred
And murder