Dr Kat Reviews The Favourite with Jamie
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2019
- In the first of a new series, my long-suffering husband and I will be reviewing films about historical figures and events. This time, we're looking at The Favourite! Jamie has a cold, so be kind!
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Intro / Outro song: Silent Partner, "Greenery" [ • Greenery - Silent Part... ]
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Selected stills and promo imagery from The Favourite (dir. Yorgos Lanthimos; 2018)
Images of the display of costumes from The Favourite at Kensington Palace and Hampton Court Palace
Dr. Kat and Jamie, you two are too adorable!!
I would love to see you guys cover your thoughts on the show the Tudors. Maybe a series on the accuracies and inaccuracies per season..? ☺️🤔
ChangingPerspective that would be amazing 🤩
Oh noooo, please no💔. Such a waste of Dr. Kat's precious time & energy. 'The Tudors' & and anything by Philippa Gregory ('The Other Boleyn Girl', 'The White Queen', 'The White Princes' and 'The Spanish Princes') is NOT at all historically correct...💔😢
It's like reading History published by "Hello Magazine"😣👎🏻 .
Janet Stoker That’s kinda true. But it’s good trash reading/watching in my opinion. Like, if I just want all the fabricated sex and drama? But I want it in a mildly familiar and enjoyable historical setting? It works.
@@janehollander1934 Quite. Painful to watch, more than anything
Overall, I liked the film - how could you not like Olivia Colman's performance in this? Regarding Queen Anne, any woman who not only had 17 pregnancies, with all of the live-born children dying before age 11, would have some serious emotional ups-and-downs. The physical changes alone would have been something to deal with. Plus, after the first few losses, I'm guessing she had great anxiety about the health of the pregnancies and losing more children. I have much empathy for her...I had one pregnancy and the emotional changes that came after my son was born lasted for 2-3 months. And one great big thing on her plate...she was the Queen with great responsibility. You made me want to read more historical accounts of her life. I enjoy your channel!!!
I do believe film makers have a duty to follow truth in referencing any historical knowledge used in producing films. My enjoyment when watching a show is hampered when I see/hear incorrect references. When I see this happen when following through the film (what ever fact is wrong) these incidents are glaring. I am pondering on them until I pull myself back to the show.
Jamie's idea of the queen as a servant to her people is powerful
I am so glad you mentioned that bit from the Tudors, it's always bothered me, too. I can appreciate creative re-tellings of history, but not so much illogical ones. I am really curious to see The Favourite after watching your review of it. Your husband's perspective is really helpful as well. Thanks!
Dr Kat, you and your husband are absolutely fascinating, a perfect pair! I think it's so wonderful that you are both so into history and it's really great to watch you discuss these figures and I do also enjoy hearing the truths be how they were portrayed in this film. Cheers!
Your husband comes across as very intelligent. I really like your videos with him!
The scene that stood out (spoiler alert!) for me was Abigail and the rabbit toward the end; it made clear Abigail's true character as NOT the sweet heroine she once seemed. I'm glad I saw the film alone because my one rabbit-loving friend would have screamed.
Yeah, that was a bit of a "Fatal Attraction" end for the 🐰. And think the 🐰 to Queen Ann were representative of all the Children she lost...made it extra 😲💔.
I’d love to see a video, if you have not already done one, that is about Queen Ann in detail. I’m USA born and raise, and while I have heard of many of England’s / UK’s Kings and Queens, the only Queen Anne I have ever heard of what King Henry the VIII’s second wife Anne Boleyn. I’d love to learn more about the Queen Anne discussed in this review.
Really!? Queen Anne ruled the original 13 colonies!
Yes - in the USA we are only taught about King George III & George Washington, crossing the Potomac. Queen Anne is a furniture & house architectural style to us. History is taught by state, as well, so if you live in Texas... you will not be taught about the history of Ohio, etc. I do wonder if teenagers in Maryland & Virginia are given more study about the British monarchs, other than King Geo III? The College of William and Mary and other Colonial inceptions are so prominent in those original, Royalist, colony states.
This is so great! Your hubby is v. Cool and such a good foil for you! I am keen to see more of your reviews and will scroll through your titles to find more! If you ever get back to the cinema now that you are new parents, I would love to hear more! Thanks for sharing your hubby with us.
I came out of the cinema thinking, gosh, I would have hated to be Anne, & I would have hated to be portrayed like that😳
I saw The Favourite and the duck racing made sense to me and did seem historically accurate - I live in the Nottinghamshire/Lincolnshire border and we have duck racing as part of our traditional celebrations and recreation in many villages in this area. As far as I’m aware it is a very old tradition. However, I am not a historian 😁
Thank you for your channel, Dr Kat! I’m very glad I found it.
The power of films and tv series to shape people's understanding of history should not be underestimated... the numbers of people I know who saw Amadeus and believe that Salieri killed Mozart, or watched Titanic and believe that the lower class passengers were locked down below while the ship sank - contrary to the inquest findings! These mythologisings of known historical fact become the received wisdom... I don't mind a certain amount of story telling because this is entertainment - but discounting, changing or distorting key facts (like Dr Kat's note of the inaccuracies in The Tudors TV series) really doesn't do a public service. If films or TV series are "loosely" based on fact and are un- or a-historical there should be a clear disclaimer at the beginning that it is fiction....
Yes, to your comment about how in The Tudors, Henry's sister marrying the King of Portugal, but not only that, IIRC, they had reduced his two sisters to him having only one. And the one that they got rid of was Margaret. So all of her descendants, including the current monarch and her family, would have been impossible. That was too much for me although I did enjoy The Tudors for the most part.
Still deciding whether to check this one out because I like some of the talent in this movie, and you and Jamie are recommending it and because your review is so in-depth. Thanks so much to you both!
Watch it. Its hilarious and poignant. All the changes are great improvements on the story--suspend your disbelief and you will have a marvelous time watching this movie. The performances by these 3 women are astounding.
I couldn't stand the tudors myself as soon as I saw jonathan rhys myers was playing him. He would have already been fat and gross by that age and they just didn't make their costumes or sets well it was too depressing. I'm so dissapointed for Margaret she was a devastating a bad ass woman.
I didn’t realize the servants wore denim. I thought their costumes were just a rough-spun type fabric that people of that class would wear in the period. I watched the movie several times and think it’s funny I’m just now seeing the denim because you pointed it out!!! Love this channel so much!!
I would love to see your thoughts on other films! You're always so informative and I so enjoy watching you!
Great content as usual. A tear formed in an eye here when Jamie said he would also tie your hair in a bow
What a lovely couple. Very much enjoyed this review of the film. I particularly found the fleshing out of Queen Anne very illuminating, much of which I did not know. Looking forward to more and more of your wonderful videos. Be well.
I utterly loved seeing the two of you please do more
I love the fact you and your husband separately love my two favorite subjects. History and film. I love the director Yorgos Lanthimos. Hes got a really distinct filming method. You guys should check out some of his other movies. His characters are always so monotone in the way they talk but I think it adds to the absurdity of humanity themes prevalent in all his movies. Two of my favorites besides 'The Favorite' are 'The Lobster' and 'The Killing of a Sacred Deer'. Theyre not for everyone though. His movies are all pretty weird and outside the box. Film buffs should appreciate them though.
Oh you guys are so cute together. I laughed so hard when you did your little "having a doctorate gives you magical powers" bit.
Quite the combinations, film, history, and differing perspectives! Enjoyed!
I really enjoy these videos of the two of you - mind you I enjoy all your videos! Lucy Worsley did an excellent show on Queen Anne in which she dispels much of the image of forgotten and dismissed Anne that we have today. Thank you, as always, for your excellent insights.
Love hearing from you both. ❤
I find myself wondering what the pair of you might have thought of the BBC program "Gentleman Jack."
Alas, I didn't see it... I'm going to check if it's still on iplayer
@@ReadingthePast please do! I absolutely adored gentleman jack, suranne jones killed it :)
Yes please!
@@ReadingthePast I really enjoyed it and I would love to have your opinion about Anne Lister.
This video just showed up in my playlist..Dr Kat thank you so much...I saw this movie and loved it...I learned that Queen Anne was much more than what she portrayed...now i what to learn more about her !!
Dr. Kat, would you consider speaking about Sir Walter Raleigh? Years ago I saw a movie and I believe it starred Betty Davis and Errol Flynn, and the writers suggested that Queen Elizabeth I was in love with him. I would love to hear you speak on this period of history.
Thank you.
I didn't notice the denim! This was fun, thanks!
Greatly enjoying this video!
I always enjoy Jamie and your interactions and perspectives
Also I really enjoyed this episode you guys should do more like this 👍👍
I really enjoyed listening to both of you today. Please do more to together.
It is so cute seeing you two together that is what love looks like for sure
Been putting this one off cos I didnt know if I'd enjoy, but I Love this! What's the possibility of you two doing Marie Antoinette at some point? Love the channel! Keeping me sane last few months 😊❤
I have just watched the Favourite. I had not seen that the maids were wearing denims! I immediately searched your channel to see if you had made a video about Queen Anne (I'm French and she was totally forgotten by my History teacher at the University while I was studying English). I am glad you pointed out that she was very interested by the State and attended the councils. I felt a bit sad to see how 'pathetic' the movie portrayed her, but not knowing the truth I was waiting for the end to fact check it. So thank you also to show how visionary she has been as regards parties ruling for their own sake and not England. I learnt a lot once more thanks to you. I like when you involve your husband!
I was wondering if the favourites were really her mistresses or if that is part of the legend.
I thought she was portrayed as being "pathetic", also. The exact word that popped into my mind when you asked Jamie. And so very, very, sad.
in the States Queen Anne is mostly known for a war (Queen Anne's War-the American theater of War of Spanish succession) and a style of furniture
@Stefan Kane which is a real shame, I pride myself in being a history nut but I don’t know much about Anne (despite knowing about her) however I do know of another thing she’s the namesake for, a type of wild carrot that’s common in Appalachia that I grew up hearing being called “Queen Anne’s Lace” by my mother and grandmother
Was not Queen Anne the name of Black Beard's pirate ship?
Ooo I'm so looking to see if you have done The White Queen
So, do we ever get to see your husband again? 🙋❣️ I love your show very much 🥰 I new a little British history but your channel has proved to be very informative and interesting! Thanks for sharing your knowledge 😸
I didn’t know about the denim and didn’t notice it. It was created for working clothes originally, so it fits with the servants.
Love you both!
As a professor & Ph.D. I also tell my undergraduate students that we PhD’s have special magical powers!!!
Also it’s not an up and coming film but would love to hear your views on the film Anne of the thousand days the original with Richard burton xx
I have yet to see this film. I will have to look for it because we really overlook Queen Anne a great deal.
I would love to hear your thoughts on the film the duchess as well as on the big character of Sarah Churchill from this current review of the favourite
Just wondering, is there a reason you chose not to address the historical accuracy (or lack there of) to allegations of Anne being a lesbian? It was heavily featured in the movie but there doesn’t seem to be strong evidence or agreement on this fact in literature I’ve read.
Thanks for the video!
I think the choice for the Tudors to make Margaret marry the King of Portugal is because they started the pilot with Francis being on the throne of France, which meant that King Louis XII was already dead and to put a love story for Charles they added that story. Usually series record a pilot if that it's successful, then they get to film more episodes - so they already make that mistake and they had to find a way to save it.
Honestly, I think merging Margaret and Mary into one person was the worst mistake of the series. In later episodes -season 3 and 4 - Henry keeps mistaken the King of Scotland, he mentions his cousin being on the throne, then he says his nephew was on the throne and in later episodes, he goes back to saying his cousin is on the throne - probably the writers realized that they couldn't put Henry's nephew on the throne, because in the series he only has a sister so his sister never married King James and never became Queen of Scotland.
Yes, the number discrepancy puzzled me too.
Your husband summed it up well. I had similar thoughts about it.
Because she had lupus (which I have too) which is why she couldn’t appear in public much (documentary). Which was misdiagnosed as gout because the later stages of lupus has the same symptoms. Some types of lupus becomes extremely painful.
I'd love to see you review Elizabeth and The Golden Age.
Great dialogue on Queen Anne
New to your channel. Love the “Historical” movie break down with you and your husband. I hope you do more. You could do movies from earlier times also. Not just new ones. Have you seen Lady Jane? It stars Helena Bonham Carter.
I found the film a Fellini version of history; visually sumptuous, historically inaccurate (denim did not exist at the time, but it's an interesting idea). I would think Anne had more personal dignity. Sarah Churchill would not have worn pants, ever. (And in fact they looked too long; the men accurately wore knee length breeches). Nor would her husband say "I will be 'fine"" when going off to war. (A quibble, i know, but it was jarring.)
The late, the great costume historian Anne Hollander describes and proves the inevitable impossibility of seeing the naked body without the filter of contemporary clothing, or the inaccuracy of historical dress in her wonderful book, "Seeing Through Clothes." No matter how "accurate," costumes and hairstyles are inevitably viewed through and created to reflect modern dress. (Don't believe it? Just look at the film of "Tom Jones." Tom's hair is pure 1960s. The minor characters are allowed more accuracy. But if the film were made today the costumes would be very different. We're probably far enough away from it not to be bothered, but if we'd seen it in the 70s or 80s it wold have looked wrong.)
Jamie is clearly a great guy.
Great job
I would LOVE if this included clips of watching it live! That would be perfect. - obviously, if you watch it at home
You two are so sweet together ❤️
I hadn’t heard of this movie, but I’m really fascinated by this part of history. Can you recommend any books (historical rather than fiction) that cover Queen Anne’s reign?
I’d quite like to see the movie for the costume and aesthetics. Even if it’s not historically accurate it’s appears very visually appealing. However I don’t think I can get it in Australia...
A programme on Francois 1 would be interesting
Great video another reason why I think Queen Anne is a forgotten Monarch was because of her father James II and his somewhat ill fated reign - he was very much persona non grata and while the reign of William and Mary followed again their reign is often "glossed over" because it was an Invasion albeit by invitation and we are very reluctant to admit to it
So entertaining! Let’s hear Jamie speak French 😊
I couldn't get into the film at all, I don't know why, maybe I need a re-watch. Fascinating to learn about the costumes though, I didn't notice it was denim at all!
Now, I will read about Queen Anne before I see the movie. Thank you.
The Favourite got me into the Brittish monarchy and now I’m addicted. I now binch Horrible Histories, your channel, Timeline etc 👌😅/ A Swede Ps check out our first ”protestant” king Gustav Vasa who came into rule after the Stockholm blood bath in 1520. He is almost the archetype of Henry Vlll, ripping the monasteries, bincheating, rivalry children, bad tempered etc. 🇸🇪
I found myself nodding and saying yes!!!Here in the states I wish we were done with party politics...she was right all that long ago! I thought they made her very frivolous and I think it vastly demeaning.
I agree with you.
Thank you for this video. I agree with your opinion about Queen Ann’s portrayal. I would really like to hear your opinion about new adaptation of “Emma”. Greetings form Poland!
Still enjoying every show 🌍👍🇦🇺
Queen Ann was the true mother of Great Britain. The union happened under her reign. Yes, she reigned over the end of the Stuarts, but the very beginnings of the Empire. I think I will have to see this movie.
You should review The Young Victoria!
The White Queen and follow up the White Princess??
I think the reason they had Margaret marry the king of Portugal in " The Tudors" instead of the king of France was because of the rivalry the set up between Henry and Louis later on in the series. It was too complicated to explain that the old king of France died and his son took over for average watchers, I think. Better to include a completely separate country and dynasty then just throw it away. This way when the rivalry between the two young kings starts up, there's nothing muddling the fun. Just my opinion, of course.
I watched this one. It revealed the queen had a dark side combined with a yearning to be loved unconditionally, which she knew because of her title was hard to do.
I have never even heard of Queen Anne is it because she was a Stewart? I am a Scott and would love to know more about her. After nineteen pregnancies you wouldn't be in the best shape poor thing. You two are great together
Not seen the film but sounds interesting .
I had no idea the servants' clothes were denim. I didn't realize the costumes were done "economically." To me they seemed very expressionistic which fits with the tone of the film. I didn't know anything about Queen Anne. I thought Olivia Coleman's performance was so brave and excellent. She wasn't afraid to be a middle aged woman, exposed and vulnerable (same as she acts in the Crown by the way). It was really interesting to hear a historian's perspective on this fantastic film. For those that liked The Favourite, there's a show about Catherine The Great (called The Great) which has the same style and tone as The Favourite.
So Winston Churchill, one of Britain's most outstanding PMs, as a descendant of the "first" Churchill fits in quite well with Churchill as depicted in the film.
@Helen Gillis Churchill saved England & tried to hold on to the empire which an impoverished nation could no longer command.
@@JessStone-hl8ed he saved England? Only England?
You mentioned Charles II, have you reviewed The Libertine with Johnny Depp?
Do you think the film was fair or actuate in its depiction of Anne’s relationships with Sarah and Abigail?
I want to see more of the two of you.
Regarding the conclusion that the film gives Anne short shrift: watch it again. At the end, it's Anne who asserts her power and dominates. She may not be as intelligent or as clever as the women who thought they were controlling her, but she's the QUEEN. She wields real power, and she doesn't sell herself short. In the end, she's in charge.
Thank you for the review. 15 mins in, I definitely will NOT waste my money on this move. ....not even $1 at the Red-box.
In reference to Anne / Anne's life my, late grandmother once told me that from the days of her schooling (the 1930's) she seem to have remembered being told that (Winston) Churchill had a relation name, "John (Churchill).
Q: might it have been the SAME "John Churchill" that was a part of QA's family / lineage? AND IF, that is the case would that be the source of WC's connection to the Duke or family of Marlborough? Am I way off-base on this one?
Forgive my naivety, all. Am an American history buff who has studied bits / pieces of British history.
In his infancy for a very short period of time Winston was the heir to the Dukedom of Marlborough, the then Duke was his uncle..Neither John nor Sarah, the first Duke and Duchess were related to the royal family.
Pls review The Duchess with Keira Knightly (2008).
Such a sweet couple. ❤️❤️❤️
It's been a bit since I've seen the show, but I think I remember in the show The Tudors, they had or were going to introduce Henry's rivalry with Francis I whom they had as a recurring character. So, they had to make the change from the elderly King of France to Portugal for the sake of the show's timeline. Love your videos! I agree with the below comment. I would be very interested to see you two do a series on the accuracies and inaccuracies of the show. Cheers!
'The Tudors' & and anything written by Philippa Gregory (like: 'The Other Boleyn Girl', 'The White Queen', 'The White Princes' and 'The Spanish Princes') is NOT at all historically correct...💔😢
It's like reading History published by "Hello Magazine"😣 .
Don't waste time trying to find "inaccuracies" in those TV series/films. They are nothing but INACCURACIES!!!👎🏻
The only thing we know about Queen Anne in the states is the Architectural designation and some furniture 😂
Dr. Kat, what did you think of "The Last Duel"?
Your both Great
Braveheart please x
Have you reviewed The Other Boleyn Girl? Oh the inaccuracies.
It is Historical Fiction as are all her Tudor related novels which have become movies and shows. Knowing that, you can't really criticize "inaccuracies".
I’d agree I don’t think Queen Anne is remembered much I wasn’t aware about her really without looking into it
Maybe they merge the two both the French &Spanish since she was betrothed to Charles V and the French King.LoL They made Anne Look like a puppet to Sarah Churchill.
5/3/2020 As an American - interested enough in British History to be working my way through all your videos since I "discovered" you two weeks ago. (I believe you were recommended by RUclips - probably because from this email I watch Townsends channel (go take a peak!) and that digging up Britain stuff. -
- That being said - I know Britain had a Queen Anne because we have a white weed/wildflower here called Queen Anne's Lace, which as a child I was shown how it looked like Lace and was named in early American history after the British Queen. - Well before writing this I looked up Queen Anne - and see that you had two and that the plant here was actually brought over from Europe (and it may be originally from Afghanistan!) While no one I read today (in the US) seems to know when exactly the plant was brought over, when it was named Queen Anne's Lace (though there is a story about pricking her finger..),( and some people even think it might have been named for a "Saint Anne") let alone which Queen Anne it would have been, I can thank the plant for making me feel closer to British Colonists that were sweetly (to me) naming a flower after their Queen (doubtful.) It actually gave it a "fairy like" feeling to me. Flowers named after the lace of a queen.
-- This video made me think of the flower even though I am inside in a part of South Florida (Miami) where the plant doesn't grow (that I have ever seen.) - Thinking of it growing wild along foot paths in the mountains of Tennessee being a little girl and my dad telling me it was named for an English Queen - Anne.
The same thing happened to me. I'm an American who finds British history interesting and I was recommended this channel by RUclips I think because I watched a lot of Time Team last month. Nice to meet you! :-) This month is all about Dr Kat.
Indeed sometimes RUclips cones up with really good recommendations👌🏻. After we have watched all sorts of English history channels and stories😍. That has brought me here as well✌🏻. Binge watching during our Covid-19 self-isolation time. Greetings👋🏻 to you both in 🇺🇸 from 🇳🇱The Netherlands.
You two are soooo cute! I found the score to the movie jarring and uncomfortable which, i suppose, was the intention. That said, I only watched it for Sarah Churchill. What a woman!
This movie makes me sad for anne knowing what happened to her makes me it makes me wonder what would happen if Stuart's had a chance to rule
Hallo,Dr.Kat,
there is a RUclipsr named Karolina Zebrowska who is deep into historical correct costumes.Her taking of the very different fashions of the 19th century was very educational,correct and entertaining.I never knew that fashion changed so much and so often at that time! Maybe it's an idea to look into her channel and perhaps someday a colaboration?
Greetings!
Karolina's videos are great!
I read the bio upon which "The Favourite" was based , oh gosh, a couple of years before the film came out. Definitely agree with you and Jamie. DH praises Queen Anne because the Treaty of Utrecht allowed his German ancestors to come to colonial America. She is smarter than she is given credit for. The poor women, constantly preggers and unable to lose the weight and additional female health issues and crappy care.
In the musical, Hamilton, there is a profound line that goes "who lives, who dies, who tells your story". Meaning that your assumed role or given credit is prescribed by the point of view of who provides your story to those in the future who don't know it. And though I agree with that line, it irritates me as well because Lin-Manuel Miranda (through this very popular musical) rips to shreds the legacy of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson through intentional inaccuracies and belittling.
As for The Favorite, I knew absolutely nothing about Queen Anne and you're right when you say that she was forgotten. It wasn't easy to even find information about her. the way she came across to me was someone who was totally incompetent, probably suffering from depression, and very possibly on the verge of going mad. It sounds as if that were far from the case.
Time period: She had already had 16 pregnancies. That's a place or time in the story of where they start, perhaps. Imo
Not completely on this side of the pond forgotten. In Maryland there's a Queen Anne's County, an Anne Arundel County, amd the capitol, Annapolis.
And don't forget about Queen Anne's Lace!
It has always amazed me, as a European, that many of the "English/Royal" place names were not all changed after The War of Independence in America. As a kind of act of finally breaking lose of their Colonial past.
@@janehollander1934 If you win a war, and the losers go far, far away, then you can immediately begin to re-write things and in a very shortl period of time you can look back with nostalgia at things that were almost too bitter to remember correctly. Do you know the folk song "In the good old colony days, When we lived under the King..."? (I first learned this from The Highwaymen in the early 60s).
We have a Queen's Anne Lace in the UK. I'm not sure the history of Queen's Anne Lace however Anne Arundle Town is named after an Anglican woman. I'm currently reading a series by the wonderful Anna Belfrage about the 17th century set in Scotland and USA mainly Maryland based around a puritan family and the puritans refused to call the town Anne Arundle Town calling it Providance and were resentful of the Anglicans settling on "their" patch