Dr Kat and Lady Margaret Douglas
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2019
- Apologies: The portrait I have included to depict Thomas Howard (attempted husband to Margaret) is not of him, in fact, it shows his elder brother Thomas Howard, third Duke of Norfolk. I have been unable to locate an image of the correct Thomas. Thanks go to Loretta for spotting this and letting me know.
Have we found one of the naughtiest royal ladies in English history? Today we're taking a look at the life, actions and legacy of Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox...
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*Apologies: The portrait I have included to depict Thomas Howard (attempted husband to Margaret) is not of him, in fact, it shows his elder brother Thomas Howard, third Duke of Norfolk. I have been unable to locate an image of the correct Thomas. Thanks go to **_Loretta_** for spotting this and letting me know.*
It doesn't help that there are siblings named Thomas in a prominent family like the Howards!
And the name Stuart and Stewart spelled differently
im sorry but there were two thomas howards and they were brothers??? oh my. well, you learn something new every day!
You also forgot to add the link to the Bess of Hardwick video
She has not been answering my calls even she has not been for 3 days I don't know who's house but she doesn't I mean you to drug it I don't
The woman im fascinated with is jaquetta of luxenbourg, mother to elizabeth woodville. She is always brought in as a bit player, yet her life was full of so much - witchcraft accussations, marrying for love and beneath her and the counsel to the queen during the cousins war. Pleaze do a video on her
Love mags x
Margaret, I totally agree! Jaquetta Woodville is completely overlooked.
I also agree, Jaquetta Woodville is a fascinating person, she was at the centre of many important events during her life time. would love to see a Dr Kat video about her.
Totally agree! She seemed absolutely fascinating, would love to see a video on her
Yes I would love this.
Dr Kat thank you for all your work. I am an American descendant of many of these people and novice genealogist. You make these ancestors come alive and give me a wonderful insight into their lives and history of the time. I so appreciate what you do. I learn so much. I may never get to England or France or Germany or Ireland or Spain etc...but you just bring these people to life. I so appreciate it and pass it along to my family. Thank you so so much.
What really amazes me about this time period is just how present and feisty the women are. Although not always wise, the Tudor and Stuart women really were fighters. Very much enjoyed the content, well researched and edited.
Thank you again for a lovely and thoughtful portrait of this unfortunate and fascinating woman.
I first met Margaret in the Lymond books by Dorothy Dunnett, which I devoured in the 1990s, and now don't remember much of, except that I enjoyed the writing and the tricky, canny narrative guidance of perspective and plotlines.
An unusual number of women were taking active roles in the various intrigues during this period.
Would love to see a segment on Catherine of Aragon. She lead such an interesting, tragic life. Stranded in England without money after Arthur died and then jilted left to die alone in a remote castle. Yet strong and faithful to the end. Would love to hear your findings on her -Kris
Thanks for the great video about Margaret Douglas. I have been searching for information about her as she is my 11th Great grand aunt which I recently discovered during some genealogical research. Your insight and information has helped me tremendously.
Thanks!
History IS fascinating when presented like this. Thank you Dr Kat!
Great, thank you for this. Very fascinating. No exaggerated music and taking ages to get to the point. You are straight to the point! Thank you again, you have a new subscriber Haha.
Ahh, yes, none of the awful outdated BBC documentary style with as swelling orchestra at every turn, obscuring and dumbing down each point.
This is a proper grown-up video, based on knowledge and a natural, engaging style.
Thank you Dr Kat. Much appreciated.
I love royal history and I love Dr Kat and her straight to the point, fact filled delivery. Bravo!
I think it's so fascinating how history is so 'femininely' biased. Especially of this time period. Learning about Mary Douglases relationship with Mary I think it all the more emphasizes that Mary didn't marry lord Darnley because he was tall... I think she married him for the same reason she married every man she married - strategy. I'm sure you are familiar with John Guys new perspective on Mary. This is super interesting. Thank you Kat!
Thanks for this video. I knew very little about Lady Margaret, and didn’t really realize her place in history. Surprising, since I love to read about both Mary, Queen of Scots and Elizabeth I. I never really thought about her ever being celebrated at one point as Henry VIII’s possible heiress. Thanks for pointing that out. I just discovered your channel today, and I’m really enjoying it. I’m a new subscriber and I look forward to what you might continue to post.
Thank you and welcome, I'm really pleased you are enjoying the content!
Wow, just how many times was she and other royals sent to the Tower! You'd think it was the Ritz-Carlton...
All the backstabbing, drama, and intrige at the court of the Tudors, along with the very real danger of losing one's head, I would have retired to the country and lived my life in peace and luxury if I had been this close to the crown. Stresses me out just learning about it. Thanks for the well-researched and wonderful presentation of all this history Dr Kat. I always come back and watch them again many times. I always pick up on some of the info I've missed. I hope all are enjoying and looking forward to fall and Haloween. Cheers all and brightest of blessings.
Oh my goodness Kat I ground my way through the biography out of a sense of duty - I could just have waited and watched your brilliant video! Brava!
Thank you so much, that is very kind of you xx
Elizabeth showed amazing restraint.
Last couple of days I've watched/listened to many of your videos. Thank you so much for entertaining me!
I discovered your channel by “accident”! I LOVE HISTORY!! Thank you for your efforts.
You make this all so wonderfully straight forward. I would love to hear your thoughts on the consanguinity of the royals throughout Europe.
Thank you DK ! Very, very well done video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Stay safe and take care-Debbie
A very well researched video on the life and times of Lady Margaret . I couldn't have got so much information from one single book as I got from your short video with so many contemporary pics. Well, it seems that both the mother - in - law and the daughter-in-law were schemers for power. However, I do feel sympathy for Mary, Queen of Scots because she suffered almost all her life , abandoned by her son , her only hope, while being imprisoned in England for 19 years and finally losing her head . Perhaps Queen Elizabeth herself regretted what she had done. But we feel no such sympathy for the Lady Margaret although she kept going in and out of the Tower and in and out of favour so many times in her life. Thanks for the information.
I'm a new subscriber and suggested doing a review on her when I saw this episode! Yay! Thank you, excellent content again!
Great, you found it!
Another engrossing video, Dr. Kay: Thank you! I was forcibly struck by Elizabeth I's animus toward Lady Margaret Douglas. During Mary I's reign, Margaret deliberately set up a kitchen directly above the quarters assigned to Elizabeth, so that the latter, suffering from migraines, was exposed to the noise & smells of cooking. Elizabeth recalled this cruelty *decades* later, & included it in a fulsome denunciation of her cousin. Lady Margaret certainly knew how to nurture enemies at Court!
I suspect that if Mary I had married an English Catholic lord (instead of the Spanish Phillip), things would have been very, very different for this lady... Mary would have died childless anyway but she may well not have become so ardent about burning Protestants as the English wouldn’t have been so anti-Phillip. At the end of Mary’s reign the English may have liked the idea of Catholic rule more, and then Lady Margaret may have been the 2nd Catholic queen of England, and Darnley both the King of England and Scotland. So close and yet she had to wait another two generations for the regency to be in her family.... Wow, was this lady a political player of note! No wonder Elizabeth was worried about her.
this is a wonderful presentation dr. kat. , i love the visual aids..........thank you , for sharing.......
I am so pleased to have found your channel. Your talks are excellent and you are obviously well learned. I am working my way through them all. Thank you for these educational opportunities!!!!! 💕💕💕💕💕
Such a fantastic episode, dr. Kat 👏 I adore your content. So well presented, so thoroughly researched, clear and well depicted. And! So engagingly delivered 💕❤
Another wonderful video Dr Kat , thank you x
How exciting, I found this one of your videos that I’ve never seen. Thumbs up before watching, as always! Your videos are consistently excellent!
Was the book mentioned here "The Lost Tudor Princess" by Alison Weir? If so, I was going to mention this excellent book and see if you would do a video on Margaret Douglas. And, lo and behold, here it is! I had a lot of admiration for Margaret after reading the book. I enjoy your videos and am looking forward to more of them.
Read it, very good.
Fascinating. How these families are intertwined. Thank you.
Dr Kat is there enough of a life to do a story and time line of Lady Jane Grey she fascinates
me so much and id like to now why her mother didnt seem to like her until she became queen x
Dr. Kat has done a vid on Jane.
really enjoy ur videos. new here. theres no frills u talk n show pics n explain things to keep it interesting. most of it is facts ive never heard which is great n u show copies of letters etc...great work. theres something about u that i cant explain that sets u apart from other channels like urs but i dont know what it is! but its a good thing! thank u
I absolutely LOVED this video. I find it so funny that the tower was used as sort of a "time out" for Margaret. All I can picture in my head, is a woman like Sophia on 'The Golden Girls'. A firecracker of a woman who said what she felt or thought, did what she dang well pleased, and didn't give two effs who liked it or not. So funny.
Yeah..kept her head.
So that's why Elizabeth I told Mary Stuart that she would consider it "an unfriendly act" if Mary were to marry Lord Darnley. Of course, Mary would have been much better off had she listened to Elizabeth. It's hard to feel sorry for Mary when she tried to take the crown from her own son, which was rightfully his just as she had been her own father's rightful heir when she was born. She was corrupted by Catherine de Medici, I believe. Her mother should have kept her in Scotland, or at least in the vicinity.
I believe you might be right .. she learned how to rule by Catherine, however much of an animosity they had later on.
She's a 1st cousin, 14x removed. While researching family history, I found direct ancestry to the Douglas, Stuart, Tudor families. There are others too and it's quite fascinating. I have the family tree showing the ancestry.
I have just recently found your channel. I am enjoying each and every insite. Bravo !
I am an avid amateur scholar of Tudor history and I greatly appreciate your videos. My first encounter with Margaret Lennox was through Dorothy Dunnett's "Game of Kings" novels, in which she is an ambiguous character, but malevolent towards the novels' protagonist who is sent QoS when she is sent to France. Margaret also features in a portion of "The Mirror and The Light", the final installment of Hilary Mantel's Thomas Cromwell triology.
The only problem I had was with something you'd already dealt with in the comments: the picture that is obviously the Duke of Norfolk, not his younger brother. I also thought you'd referred to Thomas Norfolk the younger as Margaret's uncle, but finally realized it was my misunderstanding of your pronunciation (being an American and all). keep up the good work. I was particularly impressed with the Bess of Hardwick segment. She's not a figure you hear much about!
I love history and when it comes to nobility there are so many betrothals, marriages (multiple in some cases) and so many titles and who is related to whom, it can be very hard to remember it all! Thankfully, i can refer back by watching your excellent vids!
I love your channel and, since I've been reading a lot of Medieval and Elizabethan history lately--what I did during the pandemic--it has been most helpful and so interesting. I first became introduced to Lady Margaret Douglas through Dorothy Dunnett's Lymond Chronicles so what fun to find a fascinating lesson about her on RUclips. She certainly led an exciting life!
Dr Kat, just to Thank you for your brilliant informative and highly entertaining videos. I've loved every single one, I'm only sorry that I haven't discovered you before now.
I appreciate how you give each historical character their multi dimensional personalities and never fall into the trap of black and white thinking. You are always fair and consider people's behaviour in the context of the period in which they lived which imho is a rare talent. Please stay safe xx
Great video Doc. Thanks from the States.
Omg that was complicated lol 😉 great vid, i watched twice! Ty 😊
So I love the Tudors, and watch/read about them as much as possible and I have never heard of this woman. How! More to the point - why was she/her two sons not considered during Edward's devise for the succession? Was it because of the Scottish/catholic connections? Just struck me as odd when they grasped about for a male when he was on his deathbed.
I recently read a bulky biography of Margaret Douglas. She had a lot of brass. such interesting times.
The family squabbles of the Tudor/Stuart families are exhausting, aren't they? They make holiday family reunions seem simple...lol
Really enjoying your channel. I'd love you to do a video about the accuracy of the musical Six :)
I'm really pleased you are liking the channel and this is a great idea, thank you! I'm sad to say that I haven't been to see it yet, hopefully the UK tour will be back up and running, once it's safe, so I can do this.
@@ReadingthePast get on Spotify and listen to the songs there is very little talking, you'll get all of it from there. Its is very fun!
That's brill, thanks for the heads up!
Excellent channel you have here madam. Excellent indeed. Hope you extend it into all aspects of history and not so limited to the most studied and overly inflated family in so of pop culture. Millions of yourself if history exist even without them in it.
Dr. KAT you are wonderful
It seems there was much danger being near the crown of England and the power it had was lethal. Women like Margaret Douglas had to have much courage and much fear also but she decided to fight for her family and her lineage. Admirable woman.
Very helpful articulation of these relationships.
I wonder how much Henry VIII’s head injury contributed to his tyrannical behaviour?
It is a question that fascinates me and many others!
I believe a lot. Extremely painful leg, concussion during the joust. Really damaged his brain, behavourial changes then.
I like the slower pace you speak at now, April 2022, and the sound quality is much better, too.
Hello, I'm an enthusiast from the Philippines. I've read so much historical fictions of Philippa Gregory ang Darcey Bonnette. When I discovered you I was able to love the non fiction of it all. Thank you. Please I also wish to hear the non fiction story of Elizabeth Woodville and King Edward IV.
I'm in love with your channel. I'm Italian but English history always fascined me more than any other country (even mine!). I would a video about others figures:lady Jane grey, and James the son of Mary Queen of Scots. I always wondered how he managed to rule two countries and how his heirs (until official unification) saw this double throne. Thanks!
Alot of the drama between Elizabeth I & Mary queen of Scots would have been moot if Elizabeth had married & had her own heirs.
True, but I don't blame Elizabeth given her mother's fate. It was custom that when/if she married her husband would take power. She did not want to give that power to any man.
But equally if Mary had not constantly overreached to claim the English throne she would have gotten it after Elizabeth's death.
@@williethomas5116 wisdom was not a virtue either one of them possessed
@@ruthannemackinnon588 Or in the was it? I think their folly was that in the end they both got what the wanted
Mary got her line on the throne and every subsequent monarch's passes through her. Elizabeth got to ensure Catholicism never again took traction in England. She ruled for many years and never had to submit to the fleeting will and favor of a man. But in the end did getting what they wanted cost them what was important to them or what they needed. Plenty of arguments both ways.
I’m glad to hear they seemed to get along okay in the end. I was disturbed to see that Mary, Queen of Scots was buried right next to her MIL in Westminster Abbey. I can’t imagine she’d have wanted that.
Loved this
I just found you, and love this channel, yet you seem to stay on the Tudor family. Anything on Elenor of Aquitaine? Thanks.
Susan from Florida
Loved it.
enjoying your history lessons. sorry Dr. no comments for a while. broke several fingers..but my ears work fine
Dr. Kat, would you please do a video about the everyday diet of this era? (breakfast, lunch, etc.).
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Wow, that is some painting at 7:51. Would love an explanation of that!
The early Tudor dynasty is exhausting and beyond belief; such vibrant characters who continue to illuminate hundreds of years later. Please consider an episode on Georgina Spencer! My favorite🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸
Love that you are doing the lesser known women of history. Could I suggest you do a video on Lettice Knollys..... she had an extraordinary, contraversial and very long life.
Yes, Lettice Knollys would be great! I read a crappy historical novel about her, & while it wouldn't have been strictly historically accurate, the basic story of her life sounds really interesting. Imagine daring to marry Elizabeth's beloved Robert Dudley! And then her son becoming one of Elizabeth's favourites too... Not that that ended well either, of course!
@@beth7935 if I've got my connections right I believe they were also cousins
@@chelseaoliver5404 Yep, Lettice was the daughter of Catherine Carey, who was Mary Boleyn's daughter.
Can you do a video on the Black Douglass vs the Red Douglass?
Thank you.
it is sa sad testament to the high child mortality of the times that only 2 of her 8 children survived to adulthod. And then sadly both her sons died in their early 20thies.
Very understandable
so convoluted!
My family tree tells me that my many great grandmother, Lois Howard, Annapolis, MD, USA, married the English emigrant, Adam Shipley after he landed in Annapolis in early 1600. Shared trees show her line going back to Thomas Howard who died in the Tower of London and Lady Margaret Douglas. I looked on Wikipedia the reason he was in the Tower. It said he and Margaret had become engaged without her uncle's permission. They were to have had a son who became my great many times grandfather. Do you have info saying they had a son after his death in the Tower? Love watching your videos.
I wonder what you could dig up on the lloyd or loyd family which were Welsh that may have been quards of a king and queen. Yup im a lloyd. Thanks from tx
So cool to view these videos on our ancestors... Who else is descended from these Margarets and Mary Queen of Scots? (hello, cousins!)
great video!
The portrait of Matthew Stewart, Earl of Lennox is the same as the portrait of William St. Loe, husband of Bess of Hardwick's.
Interesting. I didn't really know of her. How about a segment on Arbella Stuart
She did one, about a year ago. Go to her playlist.
That was extremely interesting - I might get a biography of Maragaret Douglas. My main takeaway is that I always suspected that Darnley wasn‘t the sharpest pencil in the box and I can see that the apple didn‘t fall far from the tree. However I can‘t tell whether their (mother and son) bad luck was due more to stupidity or self-centred arrogance, or a bit of both.
get the one by Alison weir, I read it and it was one of the best biographies I’ve ever read!
@@rowennoonan6716 Thanks - will do.
Lady Margaret Douglas tormented young Elizabeth 1 during reign of Mary Tudor by throwing down pots and pans in her kitchen deliberately set up above Elizabeth's apartments.
Curious Dr Kat. What age did your love for READING THE PAST START in your life. We’re you quite young for this wonderful passion
It's a bit odd that two brothers be named Thomas though, isn't it?
Dr. Kat, I ve watched a number of videos leading me to this one, including, Knights Templar, Robert the Bruce and yesterday, I watched The Darnley Jewel, produced by the Royal Collection Trust. The information given was vague especially the skull and crossbones part. It would appear that some of the symbols are Masonic. I would certainly like to hear your take on the relic
So would you say that there is no living relatives of the line of the Earl of Lennox?
Please do Elizabeth Boleyn (nee Howard)
History of drama. Royals never disappoint me for the amount of drama they have.
You couldn’t make it up if you wanted!
What a Queen she could have made!
Omg the Tudor women were out on their own. Remarkable all of them
I wonder if it's the same book I'm reading (can't remember the name damn it!) Isn't that portrait of the wrong Thomas Howard? Didn't the Thomas Howard she had a relationship with die while in the Tower? Maybe I've misunderstood.
You are quite correct, alas, it seems I became turned around in my image searching process. Thank you for spotting this and letting me know - I will amend my description box and pin a comment to make this clear.
@@ReadingthePast thanks for getting back to me. I've been reading Tudor related history for years and this portrait pops up a bit. Hope you didn't think I was not picking, but I respect your work.
@@loretta_3843 Not at all, I'm grateful to you for pointing out. It reminds me to triple check my editing. Thank you!
The Neville family have several interesting characters. You have a lot of videos, so I admittedly have not searched the entire list. However, Warwick the Kingmaker was interesting. His daughter went on to marry Richard III, son of Cecily Neville. (Cecily was also mother to Edward IV and George, Duke of Clarence. Through scheming of the Kingmaker, George was to marry his cousin, Isabel Neville and essentially the throne.) But for a few stupid decisions and a major split during the wars of the Roses, The Kingdom might be ruled by a Neville Monarch today.
Thanks. Very interesting. I'm a descendant of 'the Beaufort bastards' DNA verified. Specifically John Beaufort eldest of John of Gaunt / Katherine Swynford. So been doing a lot of research. Amazing genetic links including Margaret. And I'm a Catholic. Think I might have a Mass said for her soon.
What happened to Arbella?
Dr. Kat did a video on her.
Loved this episode! How do you feel about the theory that Margaret Douglas and Thomas Howard had indeed married before they were put in the tower by her Uncle Henry …and she actually had a child that was secreted away by the nuns while she was at an Syon Abby?
Were most of the nobility in the tower of London at least once in their lives ?
She is my 14th great grandmother.
She was fierce.
She was my 11th great grandmother
Wow, you’re fairly galloping through this one & I’m having trouble keeping up! Slow it down please.
Well, LMD. apparently never learned from her mistakes regarding Elizabeth. Sounds a bit like Mary Q S.
Oh king charlemagne a relative to the northam name also.
Go team! 🤪
I needed a score card to determine who is whole in this tale that would cause Charles Dickens to keep up. I suppose it takes a bit of twist to the brain in order to keep the reader at least close to the scent of this convoluted tale.