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They Just Keep Going Up in Price! | Why It's A Struggle to Find Good Jazz Guitars |
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2021
- In this video, I answer a question that I get asked a lot lately: Why is it so hard to find a good jazz guitar? Well, there is no easy answer to this question and there are several factors leading to the problem. For one, the best brands are having a hard time keeping them in stock. I explain a lot more in the video but I would love to know your thoughts on the topic. Have you had a hard time finding a good archtop? Let me know your thoughts or experiences recently! Thanks for watching!!
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I recently bought a 1997 ES-175 from Rich. Really love it. I would definitely recommend buying a guitar from Rich. He' great to deal with, knows how to clean them up really nice and does a great job setting them up.Mine plays like butter. Also knows how to pack them for shipping very well.
Ron Lee, very true!
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Hi Rich Stevenson,
My love for jazz guitar sounds and feels has touched my soul since I was 5 years of age.
I started playing I was 11 taking lessons and living in garage bands.
Then I worked with local big bands in my area which is fine and good but as you know, guitar charts are mainly cords and very few single line reading so I would freeze up when my time came.
I felt I was a decent player, employable for casuals and alike however, I developed bad habits.
I've subscribed to your channel as a means to relearn the instrument not necessarily from the beginning but, the proper habits of reading, chord melody and improvisation for my own enjoyment.
"Please give me all you got"
Sincerely yours,
"Hank Hughes on Guitar"
So glad I recently acquired a 2002 Heritage 575 in nearly perfect condition. I bought it online from Jay Wolfe's store for $3750. It's solid Sitka spruce top and solid mahogany back, sides and neck--and a has single Rendall Wall pickup. I saw similar guitars for around $5000. It's my first and only archtop, and I think I did very well to get it, especially in today's market.
Great find, congrats
@@RichSeversonGuitar Check em ' out out Samick Lasalle surprising good... if you can"t afford a Heritage.... changed the pickups out for gibson 57 classics... very good !
I bought a telecaster body for less than $200, took out the neck pickup and installed (used a good router) a humbucker, ordered a neck from Warmouth (maple with ebony board, big frets, bone nut, 1. 75" nut) and presto-jazz guitar for under $575!
I own three Sadowsky archtops and highly recommend them.
I highly recommend, if you're in the market for a jazz guitar, getting one from Rich. Although you're buying it without playing it first, you can see him play it, hear how it sounds, and he describes each one in detail and demonstrates its sounds.
Thanks Tom
Greeting Rich! God bless you and your son for this great jazz content!
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My archtop is a Telecaster:-)
They can sound real nice for jazz but they are a little hard for me to play. Thanks for watching and the comment!
great video...thanks for giving to us
Im happy with my Samick Lasalle...
Plays great, sounds very good, looks cool...got it 15 years ago for 1000$
Glad I got mine when I did.
As a lefty, their are additional challenges due to availability and wiring. Most wiring harnesses use pots that are for right handed guitars and the tone knob is basically useless. Beside the sound of an individual guitar, I find that the neck is super important for how the guitar feels. Not all C type necks are the same and then there's D and slim D necks - which adds to the challenge. Most on-line sellers don't offer evaluation time periods even for $5,000 used guitars. That's kind of crazy when you talk about purchasing a musical instrument without a chance to play it.
Oh man, Max! That must be really hard for you to find something nice! Thanks for watching and for your comment. I feel for you!
I've got a DiAngelico EXL-1 but it's too big for me. My Godin Fifth Ave is light and responsive, but no cutaway and a dull acoustic sound. Just got a 2012 Ibanez AF95 VLS. Flame maple everything. Needs a setup, but is bringing out the jazz in me! Played a 1950/51 175 the other day and could learn to love it.
Hi Rich. Just found your channel and am loving it. Read your bio and I especially appreciate what you're doing in the church. I'm an intermediate player, at best, but really want to improve and am considering enrolling in your program. In the meantime, I'm looking for a new jazz guitar (I foolishly sold an Eastman AR803 last year) but I'm torn between a full-hollow and semi-hollow and would love to hear your perspectives. Do you have a video that specifically addresses that? Unfortunately, I live in an area where there is only a Guitar Center and one small shop that only carries PRS, so I can't just go out and check out a lot of instruments. Finally, after tone, one of my top criteria is that the guitar be easy to play. I'm 66 and I find I just don't have the hand strength or "meat on the bones" to barre like I once did. Again, appreciate your videos and would appreciate any thoughts or advice. Take care.
An excellent lower/value priced jazz box is the Epiphone Emperor Regent reissue. Find one with the serial number starting with R, which denotes that it was made in the Peerless Korean factory. The Peerless factory is reputed to be where the finest production guitars are made in SE Asia - the best guitar factory in SE Asia. Peerless-made guitars, whether they be Epi's or other brands made in that factory, are gaining reputation. I have a 1996 and love it. There are some jazz box comparison videos on YT with blind tests that pick it as one of the winners (best sounding) among other arch top electrics that are much more expensive.
Interesting topic. As long as the records sell, the guitars will too - great statement!
Ya. I feel like this could be a super fun panel discussion! Or just a fun Q&A live session!
If it's tough in the USA, imagine what it's like in Australia! Acoustic Centre in Melbourne has one Heritage Eagle available.
I can't even imagine, Marc! Prices must be very high over there. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Ya I bought a used Ibanez AF200 for $1700 right before prices started to go up. I love it, it sounds and plays great.
Very nice, Dan!
Timely subject! For a month I've been thinking of this night and day. This weekend I'm going to a large guitar store, not Guitar Center, to see and hear the Eastman 403 and T486.The main reasons I want to try the 486 are it's thin and has split parallelogram markers. I hope I can get a mellow sound out of it. The single pick up Eastman in the video has a beautiful finish;I'm ready to break away from sunburst.
Consider a 503 if they have one, Something with a solid top
In my humble opinion it doesn't have to be a struggle at all. Fit and Finish is objective. You can see it with your eyes and feel it with your hands. On the other hand Playability is subjective. Some prefer a lower action, some prefer a little higher action. Then theirs shorter or longer scale lengths. Tone on the other hand is very subjective. It helps to know what your looking for as much as possible. The good news is you dont have to spend $5000 or more for a good Semi Hollow or Hollow Body Guitar. You can find a great one for $1000 to $3000. Sometimes even less. Its trial and error. Some Guitars have the Mojo and some dont. Between Guitars n Jazz in New Jersey, Gruhn's in Nashville, Normans in California and Reverb you can find what you're looking for. Great video as always Rich.
GREAT comment Michael! Your knowledge and mindset are appreciated! Boy is this the truth "Some Guitars have the Mojo and some dont" - sometimes you get so surprised at how good a guitar feels when you least expected it!
Don't be afraid to try a D'Angelico. Surprisingly good fit/finish, good pickups, good sound and stable. Seem to be available, too.
I agree..those things are very nice.
Interesting I teach guitar in a music store with a load of amazing eastmans ( in north east wales ) the John Pisano signature is probably one of the best guitars I’ve ever tried. I remember trying a host of heritage guitars and George benson signatures and a hoffner jazzica but what blew them away was a d’angelico semi hollow ( Korean ) the vintage guitars have a sound but a lot of the time they re set up badly so feel un playable in comparison to more modern jazzers
I'd like to check those I've only played the lower end ones
A few years back I bought a Guild USA made with dearmond pickups. got it new , it was more affordable than a Japanese made gretsch and a about twice as much as a Korean Epiphone, and of course they immediately discontinued it after I got mine,lol still have it and still love it!
That is a great story right there Gary! Wow! What a trip! Glad you still have it and still love. And you probably will never sell it! I wouldn't! Thanks for your comment. please join us for our live stream tomorrow at 11am PST
@@RichSeversonGuitar thanks!!
I have Guild Savoy; it's got a nice neck, real woody sounding, attractive looking. But it's got a 17 inch bout. Just too big for my old shoulder!
Been thinking of selling my 22 year old, carved top 18". Thought about asking $1,250. Guess I'm living in the past. Maybe I should hold-off for a while. Replacing it may be a tough job. I remember back in the '60's & '70's when everything we played was a classic collectible.
What guitar brand is it
"When the player is ready,
the instrument will come"
The best sounding jazz guitars i have ever heard are the benedetto archtops. They sing like a uke.
I tried to buy a Heritage last year. I waited six months for it, and when it finally showed up I had to send it back. :/ It had a crack in the top and the neck was warped - if you played octaves, the farther up the next you got, the more out of tune. Bummer.
I wish Gibson was still making archtops. I would like to see them make an acoustic L5 again like they did in the early 2010s.
Who knows, maybe they will once things get back to normal. Maybe they will take notice of the market and want to get more into it again! Fingers crossed!
Bill Comins makes a great jazz guitar at a very reasonable price I have a GCS single pickup hollow body and never had to do anything but change strings , perfect right out of the case.
+1 on this one. I've got one as well. Great playing guitar with low action and great tone. It's honestly as good as or better than a number of more expensive laminates I've tried. They may be a little hard to come by though.
I will have to shop around for one of those! Thanks for the recommendation guys!
Yeah, prices and availability are definitely out of whack, but it's that way for a bunch of things. Blame it on the pandemic, the supply chain, Trump's clumsy trade war with China, etc. The prices of anything with a Gibson, Martin, or other mainline US company logo on the peghead have gotten ridiculous, which is why most of my professional-grade instruments I gig with are Asian-made. I simply cannot afford a quality American-made archtop guitar at this time, and I'm an educated professional. I appreciate Rich's perspective, his experience, and his questions which are completely spot-on. Thank you for this video and all you do.
Dont forget Peerless Jazz Guitars ! Very good at its price range.
I have had a few peerless jazz guitars and they really do put out a nice guitar for a competitive price. I haven't seen one around in a while though. Thanks for weighing in, Ove!
I ve been checking online shops and guitars for years and one thing is for sure.
Since the corona impact markets are confused. I ve never seen so many models or brands out of stock. I compared the online shops in different countries. It is/was the same everywhere.
On the other hand you have some brands that flood the market. Some brands had special offers between 20 and 50 percent off.
My theory is that some factories in Asia were closed completley or work staff went part time. While others stayed open and maybe overworked their b stock guitars or worked overtime shifts.
If the Chinese goverment says harbour closed harbour is closed. Same with factories.
When I ordered guitars it was interesting to see that in the webshops there were many times just 1, 2 or 3 guitars from one model. When I got them I had to send some back due to quality issues. My theory is that factories put out b stock material in a bigger amount.
Jazzboxes are a niche product. Can one say that? It s less for a mass production market. And it takes longer to make them. If I had only some workers left I would do more solids since they are easier to build and the companies make more money selling them.
Maybe thats why it takes longer to find a JazzBox now. Just a theory.
Someone has inside experience in the field?
What color is the Eastman you were holding in the video?I'd like to make a break from sunburst. I'm going to a large guitar store this weekend to look at the Eastman 403 and T486 and some Guilds. This video was so timely it's unbelievable because I've been thinking about this subject night and day for a month. Thanks for all you do!.
Thanks for your comments guys!
I agree with what you are saying.. there are so many factors to consider.
It's sort of like an orangish iced tea-looking finish. I don't know exactly what they call it!
I made a big mistake about 10 years ago. I went to a guitar store and tried both an ES175 for $4500, and a West Montgomery L4 for $6500. I loved the L4 but decided to save $2000 and get the ES175. It's a great guitar and I love playing it, and it has increased a bit in value, but not like the L4. They are now $10-12,000 and up, and now way out of my range. Should have spent that extra $2000!
Thanks for sharing that experience, Joe. It is sad that most of these guitars are out of reach. However, if you keep your eyes open, especially on reverb, you may be able to find an L4 in the $5k range. Thanks for the comment and for supporting my channel!
Why things go up in price? Here is the answer in a nutshell. The M1 money supply is all cash, coins, traveler's checks. In otherwords the very liquid assets which are used as a medium of exchange in our country. Since 2009 and continuing every year since then the Govt just prints an amount equal to 9% of this M1 money supply and just spends it. For every $1.00 in 2009 there is now approx $2.40. Thgerefore people put a higher value on physical assets like a 1940 D'Angelico or a '70 Chevelle or a Section of good cental Illinois farmland. Wages have gone up so companies need more for their guitars to pay their luthiers.
How many archtops are sitting on those cargo ships?
It is really crazy to think about how many of them could just be sitting there in ports. Maybe once the backlog ends there will be a flood of new inventory. IF... the back log ever ends that is. Thanks for watching Clarence, and for your comment.
It is extremely hard to find a good arch top guitar. All of the name guitars like Gibson, Guild, Heritage, Eastman, etc. are very expensive!! If you can find even find one.
Oh my “goodness”
Oh good gracious.
I want a new Heritage 575 sunburst for my first hollow body.
I can order you one take about a year
@@RichSeversonGuitar thank you Rich. If I order one it will definitely be from you!
So-called vintage guitars were once simply called secondhand guitars - because that's what they are. A good used instrument could invariably be bought for less money than a new one, and if it bore the scars of the years, it didn't matter - the price reflected this.
Nowadays, lots of scruffy and overpriced guitars which often need work such as a neck reset to put them right are touted on eBay and by unscrupulous dealers as 'vintage'. The price is usually higher than a new instrument - yet an old guitar isn't necessarily going to sound better than a new one. A ridiculous state of affairs.
Another issue is the price of archtops made from solid wood. In these days of CNC machining, why are archtops so pricey compared with flat tops (Chinese-made guitars excepted)?
All great points here IgGAM! Thanks for watching and commenting!
In my opinión you are taking lots of risks, main one that you might no like what you bought, buying without trying even from reputable companies.
So the problem for me is not the price but not being able to try.
I think thats been solved alredy as most companies offer the posibilitty of returning if you are no convinced with what you bought. Ok, you have to pay for shipping and returning costs but considering the price of archtops and the luxury of trying them at your ease at home i think is a well invested money..
By the way, i am of the opinión that if sellers offered free returns what they spent in shipping costs would be greatly covered with what they would earn with the increase on sales.
Sorry for the long reply.
Thank you for the video.
Respectfully, it is in your heart and in your hands. There are great Tele Jazz guitarists. You know the names. How much different will you sound playing a lower priced archtop that is set up well and run thru a decent amp? We listen with our ears and not our eyes. How much difference does an Asian copy sound versus an American Archtop? What do your ears tell you? Spend more time practicing and less time buying. Disclaimer, I am guilty as well. Shally
absolutely, and less expensive guitars vary quite a bit in terms of playability and sound. Regardless of price, when an instrument fits a player well and resonates, the heart and hands can be more expressive.
This is true, but purchasing a guitar with a specific or iconic sound can definitely be a good investment (and fulfilling!) for those who have a high level of mastery on the instrument and over the music.
Love this Shal! You're spot on! If it fits... it fits.
Thanks for commenting, Williem!
Thanks for the comment, Jahoopy!
Not a struggle...Just $$$
I shouldn't complain.... mine cost 1200$
CAD, which is nothing for a jazz guitar
And it's pretty good...so..
You can't beat that price Patrick... but you're right. Money talks right now!
Check them out,
Greg Bennett Lasalle ...L5 copy around 700$ used...
D' Angelico Excel , 1300 $ brand new
It’s worse if you want a 7-string solid wood carved archtop hollow jazz guitar. These went pretty much extinct, and now the style/sound of Van Eps and Pizzarelli may be a dying art :’(
Even semi-hollow and laminate 7-string arch-tops are almost extinct.
Guitars are scalpers' heaven. Professional collectors buy em up and push the prices into the stratosphere by targeting investors who need places to hide lots of money against inflation.
Yes, and sadly it is happening to not only guitars, but a lot of collectible items like cars.
Just buy a used one
Well, it's tough to find a brand new Eastman, Heritage, or Gibson these days, and the ones that are out there being used keep going up. Thanks for watching and commenting, Saletta. I hope you join us for our live stream tomorrow at 11am PST!
Since I got married, I had to sell most of my guitars. I am divorcing and hope to buy another quality archtop guitar soon. Good quality guitars always seem to hold or increase in value with inflation. I wish I had bought L-5 and Super 400 when they around $1200 in the 1970s.
It’s not just guitars that have gone up in price. Asset prices have increased due to central bank monetary policy. Creating money from nothing leads to inflation.
Yep! Everything is going up. Gas in California is almost 5 bucks a gallon where I live! Thanks for watching!
Let me Say this, as far as guitars are concerned DON'T BUY AT THESE INFLATED PRICES! if people stop buying, the prices will come down. The other shortages are being created by the governments inability to get the ships unloaded, that's so they can raise the prices. I'll bet Trump can get the ships unloaded.
Prices are BLOATED to say the least... and not just on guitars. Wood prices alone are astronomical. Or Gas. Shit. 5 bucks a gallon out here! Thanks for watching and for your comment. Join us for our live stream tomorrow at 11am PST. Would love to have you in our discussions!