I Bought The Cheapest Twin Engine Airplane In The USA! What Now?
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Yes we can!!!!!!
If I were to buy a twin, I'd want counter-rotating props so there's no critical engine.
YES
Yass queen hell yee
@@fredashay unless your bob Hoover. Then there’s no such thing as a critical engine 😂
Jimmy: "I gotta sell all these planes to save the 310!". Jimmy's next episode: "I bought another plane!". Like everyone else, I really enjoy the channel, Jimmy.
It's like me with lawnmowers and allot more money lol
You read my mind
Being ADHD can be a dangerous thing ! I’m sure Jimmy’s family just shake their heads everyday when he wakes up with a new idea . Lol
@@HighOctane-wo6cm ha!
@@midwestreview6382 lol... Glad I'm not the only one. Lol.
The Apache, especially an upgraded one, is such an HONEST aircraft. Fun to fly, decent performance, safe and reliable enough to stick your family in it and go on a flying vacation and never have to worry about it. And pretty cheap to maintain, for a twin.
Stall has nothing to do with airspeed. Only angle of attack.
An airplane will stall at any airspeed if critical angle of attack is exceeded
Its a boundary layer airflow separation not a loss of digits.
It’s an important distinction, especially on approach to landing or accelerated stall in a steep turn.
**base turn to final is a great example of this discrepancy**
Angle of attack increases in a decent. Add a turn to that and angle of attack increases to the critical angle.
Pilots should be instructed to fly decent angle/angle of attack.
Airspeed then becomes a secondary cross check
I'm not an aviator but this was a very cool look at what goes on when test flying an aircraft. I hope those out there who are just starting out watch this. Excellent education.
Thanks so much!
Way to go on the Apache, Jimmy! I saved a Geronimo with 180s back in the ‘90s, and flew it for ten years before I had to let her go. Sweet flying plane. Safe, easy to fly, way less expensive than my next project- the Aztec! Looking forward to following you as you get your multi rating this summer.
You sir just made my day by setting the asking price for the Lancair so high. Thank you Jimmy for the wholesome quirky yet quality content you provide. Myself and family love your channel and everyone involved.
You bet!
I'm from neighboring South Africa. Extra fuel must have been for distance as proper airports with fuel around here are few and far between
50k? That's crazy! So many planes are ridiculously expensive right now, and even accounting for maintenance costs on a twin engine that's a REALLY good deal. That just shows the benefits of knowing people in the community willing to let their planes go to good people for good deals.
I owned a PA-23 160 Apache. I still have most fond memories in my 600 hrs in the Apache. Even with 160-horsepower aside, constant speed prop and over 108 gallons of fuel, it's a cross-country machine. Econ Cruise about 12 to 13 gallons at 160 MPH. The cabin is spacious. Front passenger )or pilot w/ 2 pilots)) can go into back between the two front seats. The wing is a NACA 23012 series, one of the nicest airfoils you'll ever fly. Solo, half fuel it's a hot rod with good sea level single engine performance. At high gross, high density altitude SE performance is low (nil, anemic) like most like twins. But still it gives options. The fuselage is aluminum covered tube frame. It is strong and inspires confidence. You feel like you are flying a really large but nimble plane. Buy it.
Great review and thanks for sharing! I am looking forward to putting lots of hours on this one :) and helping others get where they need to go :)
How are the maintenance costs? I know Aztecs are hogs with tons of recurring ADs. Flap hinges, flap spar hinges, nose baggage door, etc.
@@srqamt It got rebuilt in 1999 he said at the start. All the ADs up to that time would've been required for certification of the extensive mods done to this aircraft.
@@ThePaulv12 they're recurring, due every 50-100 hours
I love the old "Sweet Potato" Apache and looked at several for a Geronimo mod. Give her a few modern tweaks and mods it's the perfect low cost twin if you can turn a wrench.
Sweet little plane! Great price! You'll find maintaining it is more than double a fixed gear single engine though. Seems to be very well maintained though.
Hi Jimmy! Your passion for aviation and your humorus take on it makes your channel so entertaining and inspiring. Fair winds! Chris
That seems like the perfect twin to learn on, can’t believe how forgiving it is! Can’t wait to see it in service.
The Navy used to use them for flying admirals around. We had one at a flying club with 52 gallon inboard tanks and 25 outer tanks and we took off the 15 gallon tip tanks. They can land and take off from a carrier. Unassisted of course.
Thanks for another great video Jimmy.
It was most interesting.
This was a great video with a nice play on flying time. Wow, is this a nice aircraft. The situations you put it through were extremely interesting. That twin did a fantastic job and a forgiving aircraft. The owner did a great job of explaining things. Jimmy, you did great not being in a twin before. Wish I still had a license, I would love to have this airplane.
It handled everything in a exceptionally good manner. Nice aircraft, can see why you liked it end bought it. Congratulations Jimmy, you have a nice aircraft.
Looking forward to the next video.
Thanks for everything.
Retired Air Force veteran.
Love it and the direction you’re taking things Jimmy. Best of luck!
Thanks so much! I'm so happy to actually fly something again!
Keep the videos coming Jimmy and keep inspiring more people to get into aviation! G'day from Down Under!
That's awesome! Thanks so much
Love it Jimmy. Onwards and upwards. Can’t wait to see you flying the T6 and the Mig!!! Those REALLY got my attention.
You and me both!
Jimmy, we really enjoy your videos. You and Derek on Vice Grip Garage keep us smiling. What would be wild is joint video of some kind, don’t know what, with the both of you.
that would be awesome!
I think Jimmy is closer to Hoovie and his Hoopties
That was fascinating. Thanks for taking us along for the ride.
Great purchase right there Jimmy. The Apache is a great plane both for multi training and cross country trips. Been my dream plane for years, and the Geronimo mods just make it better
Your channel is mad, that’s why I love it. You are always so chirpy and positive which a lot of people these days could take from your channel.
Thanks so much! Really appreciate that.
I owned a 1957 Piper Apache back in the 80’s. Flew it about 300 hrs, built my multi-engine time in it! Had the bullet proof O-320’s, 130 knots on 20 gallons an hour! Fun, fun,fun!!!
Good to know that plane was in my country of Zimbabwe, thanks Jimmy with love from South Africa !!!
Hello fellow Zimbabwean
Love that twin, thanks for the memory 75 years old here been 20 years since i flow 😍😍
I saw a 310 the other day and couldn't help but snapping a pic and thinking about you. All these things you do are amazing, and crazy fun!
Yay! Thank you!
WOW! Cool plane - great video! I've never been in a light twin either. My club (waaaay back) had an Aztec for twin engine rating training but I didn't ever get a ride in it.
Geronimo!
Loved this blog, great buy. Once you get your twin cert, I guess it will be then time to look around for more engines.. 8 is a very nice number to look at... lol
One of the BEST conversions out there! I received my multi training in a, non-converted, 1956 PA-23-150. On a hot summers day in Southern Indiana, the single engine rate of climb, jokingly, was a -50 foot per minute. Even with that, the Apache is/was a forgivable old cow on landing. Smooth as a babies behind! I love the 310 but the Apache will carry a load, a bit slower but it will get you to where you're going! This aircraft is the best for getting your multi-engine training in! Once you get your rating, your family will love this plane! HAVE FUN WITH IT! P.S. - I can't buy any merchandise as the "link" STILL DOESN'T WORK!
To quote Joe Linnebur, "Jimmy: "I gotta sell all these planes to save the 310!"." uh-HUH! 'Save the 310 - but harm not a hair on Cameron's head!' And then there's the Mig, and the other warbird. Now this one.
310 Flight ETA: 2052.
Love the channel, Jimmy! C'mon feller - get that Tailwheel cert and the Jet, Single Engine. 😁
once upon a time I had a job with an airline so I was doing all the ratings to meet the job requirement and the commercial twin rating was the probably the most fun and stressful part of it. I love flying twins and things with retracts. You just need to practice the keep up on the single engine training.
Great work Jimmy love watching your inspiring videos every week from Australia
Nice bird! I maintained a 1956 160 Apache that had most of the Geronimo mods minus the engine upgrade. Great machine! Nice to fly in and can haul a decent payload.
Apaches were (still are?) a favorite in Africa. The reason for long range tanks there, was most likely due to the number of un-friendly countries that must be flown around, to travel between friendly countries.
You know, another great twin to have, would be an Aero Commander, or a Beech 18...🙂
Aero Commander, fantastic aircraft but a good way to burn money.
I have ~32 hours in a '73 Aztruck flying back and forth to the Bahamas. It is a super forgiving and docile handing plane like you described. We loaded it with everything from marine diesel parts to diapers. I loved that thing. It's now at KBOW.
Very cool!
J'm so glad YOU do the stunts and J seat here, comfortably enjoying the thrill !
Piper twins are great! Bought a Seminole to get my rating and then leased it to a local flight school. Was the only twin rental in Houston at the time… ran it out quickly!
Thanks for the great videos. You are an inspiration. I start my online instrument ground school class tomorrow. I'm inspired.
Rock on!
Jimmy the 310 is so cool, thanks for sharing your experiences.
Thanks for watching!
Capt. Jimmy doing what you love 👍
I'm from Zimbabwe. I don't know why I'm happy that plane came from here.
When I was looking to buy a twin I seriously considered a Piper Apache Geronimo conversion.I was told that with the extra horse power from the conversion it actually still allows for some climb performance even when loaded. However, while the original Apache was a great trainer it was very under powered on one engine. This pretty much defeated the purpose of buying a twin if you can barely climb on one engine.
BTW, the 310 would make a great twin trainer. I find it flys like a heavy Cessna single. The reason is the Cessna engineers always try to make it easy for pilots to make the upgrade. What twin that make a hard twin trainer is a Piper Comanche. Comanches are under powered, have squat little landing gear and fast wings (abrupt stall). I had the "privilege" to train in a twin Comanche and now flying the 310 is way easy by comparison.
Great video by the way. I've always wanted to see how the Piper Apache Geronimo handled.
There's a Geronimo Apache at my home 'drome in CT. Neat plane, and the little brother to the Aztec.
There is no reg that says pic must occupy left or right seat unless the aircraft certification requires it. Would be the case if for instance the right seater couldn’t reach a required control (probably not the case here).
Most people who are preparing to take their flight instructor check ride occupy the right seat for many hours beforehand.
“I’m not comfortable flying from the right seat or I haven’t flown from the right seat enough to be safe” would be a more accurate explanation.
I remember flying the Apache owned by the flight school I worked at years ago. It was a handful when you lost the critical engine and had to fly and work the hand pump at the same time. It had the 150 hp engines.
The way you love that plane I was stunned you were going to sell it. What a relief!
Wow....thanks for taking some of the mystery out of magic of flying.
love your channel Jimmy!! thanks for sharing all this great content.
Glad you enjoy it!
Live just “down the road” always enjoy your videos.
Back in the day I flew a Cherokee 180 out of Plant City.
Brings back fond,and a few not so fond (!) memories.
Jim Richardson
I'm starting to think you need a 12 step program for buying and selling planes. I have been told the same thing about searching and knowing planes by the ads. Love the channel I need more planes to grow my channel. LOL Keep up the good work
WoW! Who would say Jimmy got himself a plain which actually works 😎 good choice 😁
From what I remember from my early days of flying back in the 80s, the Aztec was always a better bet as you could pretty much fill it with fuel and people and go. This is not the case I believe that you can do with the 310. I may be wrong but it’s certainly worth checking out. My memory is a little rusty as I’ve only flown commercial jets since 1988.
Way to go Jimmy!!
Nice buy. Good luck with your plans!!👍👍👍
You crack me up, Jimmy! Tickling that Hail Mary rip ring, I thought you were gonna pull a "Jimmy Stewart Aeroplane Designer" stunt and pancake on the ground...
Keep em' coming Jimmy. Great video.
Chilling at work watching Jimmy.
I'm an enroute controller at ZFW and my practical knowledge from a pilot's perspective is a bit lacking so thanks for a loo into what goes on in the cockpit of a small twin like this.
Make sure your door is closed and latched correctly. Apaches and Aztecs have bad reactions if door comes open and it can not be closed in flight.
Hey jimmy hope you are having a good today please stay safe up there flying around!!
You as well!
16:23 I’m not worried about traffic 🤣 this dudes a savage. And I like his style on the take off brief lol.
Love It!! I got my Multi in this type aircraft in Texas have over 300 hours in it!
Awesome journey your bringing everyone on!!!
I hope so!
Congrats on the Apache! I did things a little backward than you. I got my multi in a 310A. I loved the speed and responsiveness of the 310, but at 25 g.p.h., I needed a time builder I could actually afford to run. I bought a 1957 Apache 150 that I loved enough to put 500 hours on in the course of 4 years. At the time (1986 to 1990), you could run the 150h.p. Apache on car fuel which was running somewhere around 90 cents/gal. (that approval went away with the addition of alcohol to car gas). If I was flying local and just playing around, I could get it down to 12 g.p.h.(both engines), so I could conceivably pay $11/hour for gas! It would do about 125 m.p.h. at that setting. On a trip (my favorite was Massachusetts to Florida), I would bring it up to 18 g.p.h. and get about 160 m.p.h. The 310 flew best at 25 g.p.h. (if I was flying it, I wanted the speed of a real twin!) At that setting, the 310 would indicate around 195 m.p.h. The 310 required 100 octane aviation fuel at about 1.80/ gallon, so it was really costing almost 4 times as much for fuel!
The flight performance with 150s wasn't all that bad. The stock Apache grossed out at 3500 lbs., so the s.e. rate of climb was around 300 f.p.m. which is comparable to most heavier twins with bigger engines. The room in the cabin is right up there with the older 310s and wider than the Baron. I used to call it the "fat cub" because it has the cub airfoil and the docile manners of the cub. Guess that's why it's so slow!
While, I owned the Apache, a friend bought a 310A similar to the one I trained in (and yours, of course). I helped install a set of radios and overhauled an engine on that plane. For my efforts, he allowed me to fly the 310 when I could afford it which was not too often.
BTW, the 45 knot indicated airspeed at that angle of attack is not accurate. The airplane is a great short field and slow flight aircraft, but not that slow!
BTW, I paid $16K for my Apache with mid-time engines and after flying it for 500 hours, I turned around and sold it for $18,700. My friend bought the 310 from the C.A.P. for $10K with a bad engine (but with a spare crankshaft)and a box of radios (older ARC stuff). After getting it airworthy, he sold it for $28K.
Enjoy multi-engine flying. There's nothing like the feeling you get with that "fist-full of throttles"!
Good job and also a good buy on the Aztec Jimmy. Keeper up.
He's Jimmy and this is his World of Twin and Single engine planes...Good video...
Jimmy that's why i love your stuff I wanted to see flying! not mouse poop or messed up stuff. but your flight today was a dream for me... buy this and make wonderful film flying!
Excellent Vid Jimmy !!!
Jimmy can burn through the money at double the speed now.
I honestly think it's the way to go, buy something that doesn't need much work.
Nice plane Jimmy.
I owned N1414P a PA23-150 and that is what I got my Mutil and MEI in. LOVED it, paid $14K for it in the late 1980s and sold it for a profit! LUVd to chase trains in her!
Thanks for the video. I got a bunch of hours in the 310 working on my multi and it was a lot of airplane and I didn't finish. After watching I am reconsidering....
do it!
You might want to do your training in a less demanding twin than a 310, such as an Apache, Dr.inole or Duchess. Although I love 310s (.y current plane is a 310C owned for 23 years, previously had a D, a Few or and a T310P), they are a lot of airplane for a new-to-twins pilot to handle and are rather challenging to fly. Get your rating in a more forgiving plane, build some experience, then get a thorough checkout in a 310. 310s require constant attention and things happen suddenly in them. Good luck.
Jimmy "Ace Ventura's" Wprld 😂
Alrighty then!
Anytime my wife complains about my classic truck hobby being expensive I remind her I could be buying classic airplanes. Save the 310 Jimmy.
I'm glad I can be of service :) hahaha
Jimmy love the videos and great content. You keep me looking for new videos every day.....
Glad you like them!
Never sell what ya love. You got a great price on the twin. Congratulations.
Thank you for the video.
The MIG is for a museum. We have one I know of at Falcon in AZ. Death traps if ya ask me. Always broken. Fuel is insane
I have fond memories myself of flying the Apache. It was slow but solid. I preferred flying the Seneca II much better because it would get you where you wanted to go much faster but it would bounce quickly all the way there. Kind of like flying a mooney. It would get you there quickly but your passengers would hate the ride, at least in the heat of Texas. Still there is something nice about stable flying if you have your family with you. Surprised you haven't found a Baron (though much more expensive) around you to try out. They are really sweet but expensive per hour to fly. I have a feeling not quite as expensive as a AT6 or Mig-15 though!
Wow - a nice twin with no creature byproducts decorating the interior and engines?!! Shocking. Nice fly demo. My son and I talk lots about engine loss crashes and poor craft mgt.
The Piper Apache is such a good plane! Love that
Thirty-five years ago, babysat a dozen+ aircraft at American Aeroclub and FBO Natomas Airfield. One runway Unicom { me } get on the line around 5;15 AM and treat all windshields, top off all oil supply, feed three dogs, two ramp cats. Traded my time for airtime in Club's 172s. Best summer job ever had; Summer is a 'tad warm in Sacramento. Three of the instructors went in on an Apache. Ugly inside / out, but a great time builder for four instructors. It was always a tad heavy with the instructors onboard, doing musical chairs, and keeping fuel use low. The 172's were $32.00 an hour wet! I recall one of the instructors, after landing with five souls on board, said they were building shared twin time at $18.00 an hour! Not many "Air Fields" around today; most airports have at least another runway. Wonder if insurance rules even allow a young pilot to trade time for flight lessons. Wingnuts will find a way...
This Piper model is the plane that my cousin bought recently perhaps a couple years older. Ron flies for UPS and is certified all the way up to the 747-8 hundred series. My cousin could afford a Beechcraft Baron 58 and others but loves this Piper because of what has been articulated about it.
Hey watching your channel for Zimbabwe.
I didn't see it clearing turns flight before maneuvers, just razzing You guys I know that you did them before you were recording right. Safe flying God Speed and God Bless
Piper Apache Aztec is a great plane. I love my Aztec its a great honest twin. If you can find one buy it.
Jimmy, great video, you just added $30k to the value of hangar queen 23-1990!! Most of the SE issues with Apache were addressed with the Geronimo STC's. You missed noting the rudder enlargement, the Hartzell Top Props that avoid 500 hour prop inspection AD, There is a recent flap drag strut AD that you should check on, especially if you are going full flaps over 105 kn. And, it's a Piper, everything is potassium chromated.
Thanks for the info!
The long range tanks addition is more likely due to monsoon season. You can't get dependable weather reports in many areas and alternates are a long ways with questionable weather. So alternates need to be some place with at least a non-precision approach with fair weather to come down through the widespread cloud coverage.
Getting your multi engine rating in an Apache is like cheating, they are such an easy going and forgiving aircraft. You got a good score there Jimmy.
Forgiving?? In an Vmca go around? Are you kidding? What’s the expected climb rate with one engine inop and near gross? I bet it’s either flat or near negative.
@@Pilotman28 None. The second engine is just there to carry you to the scene of the crash.
"I kinda already have a whole bunch of planes".....GFY!
I mean that in the most respectful way possible! Congrats on being able to say such a thing.
Really a fun video. Great angles and fun.
Mike could become an instructor, if he so desires. Great Ep, Jimmy, kudos.
When you got locked in after saying you weren't going to sell the plane. I was waiting for a Christine moment to happen. The radio to come on and start playing old 50s songs.
Had a friend that had an Apache that he converted to a Geronimo but he STC'd to 200hps counter-rotating with high performance exhaust. If you can close the doors, that bird would fly. At 11,500, TAS was 180 kts. I did some single engine, slow flight work and there were no problems. It was fun to fly.
That was a nice run through of what ya have to do in the Piper Apache in case everything goes south, take it to 45 and tuck & roll. 😆
HAHAHA, that's awesome!
Man, what a solid airplane. 45 stall. Wow. That's a great old bird, I love it. Those engines are so noisy, I love that.
Jimmy the Apache is in great shape ,just as old as an B-25 ,,its almost a flying museum ,,but I believe you got a good deal
Congrats! Best of luck with your multi. Your about half way there already I’d say. Lol.
thanks so much for doing these videos
Dang miss ya Jimmy it's a mad mad world here today but A LOUD Can I get a CLEAR PROP..!!!seams to rinse the Salt Outta these wounds !!!
Wow, just like an Aztec. There is a C model Aztec i fly that has 2,400lbs full fuel useful load
Like your style. Most of us buy ammo guns food for prepping. Jimmy buys mig fighter jets.