Lenovo's Downfall vs the USED PC Market
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- After recently watching Louis Rossman's video on Lenovo, I thought I would add my thoughts onto why I think Lenovo continue to make bad decisions in their direction as a company, not just because of the poorly written article that they since retracted.
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00:00 What is Lenovo even saying?
01:03 History of Lenovo allowing a great repurposed used desktop, then taking it away.
06:58 Lenovo's downfall in business can be turned around I feel, if they adopt a new strategy.
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Ah Marco, always giving me a good lol, on a parts hunt right now!
lol, well played!
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That's brilliant. Well done :)
Good luck on the parts hunt. You seeing Les today or tomorrow?@@techyescity
Yeah, its sad. The 4th gen Lenovo Laptops were excellent too. I had a T440p that was fully upgradable, CPU, Ram, WiFi, and Storage. It was an excellent laptop and had a military rugged rating so it was very tough.
My W540 is still kicking around to this day! I had replaced the CPU, storage and RAM of that beast through the years also
Ironically enough I would never even consider buying a new laptop when you can get used Thinkpads very cheap that are far more durable, maintainable and upgradable than all the rubbish being sold these days. Lenovo P series Thinkstations are also very good value for a lot of the same reasons. Used professional or enterprise products are often far better value than new consumer level "future landfill."
You are looking from your perspective of tech enthusiast (as do many people on this channel). But for the most non-tech users warranty matters. Also, things look differently if you really do not know what all those cores, RAM and SSD really are all about ;)
@@aleksazunjic9672 warranty like a Samsung employee scratch your TV to deny your warranty sevice? or other companies blaming you for their faults? warranty nowadays is bullshit
@@Syping Depends on the country, I guess. In Europe, main guarantor is the store (company) that sold you the device. If something breaks down you take it with them, and they have to sort it out with manufacturer, while you will get either repaired product in limited time or replacement.
I bought a Lenovo H50-50 Tower PC for my daughter like ten years ago. It came with a 4th gen i3 and I popped in a low-power GPU so she could play basic games as a child. I eventually upgraded the CPU to an i7-4790, the memory to 16GB of quality DDR3, installed a 650 Watt Corsair PSU (I did need the adapter cable), ditched the hard drive for an SSD, upgraded to a modern Wi-Fi card, and currently have her running with an RTX 2060 Super. It is still a beast when it comes to 1080p gaming.
You can’t even buy new from Lenovo. Bought a new monitor direct from their store, didn’t show up 2 weeks after estimated shipping date. Customer service said I had to wait a month to find out more info about my order even though it wasn’t back ordered. Two months went by, never received it. They never shipped it and never provided an update even though I contacted customer support 4 times asking for an update.
ship times would have been 20 days on a laptop I wanted from them..., went with dell instead and am glad I did.. dell shipped very quickly even tho I ordered late sunday night and got mine mid day wed.
for my first gaming pc, I went down the path of buying an old office pc to upgrade since I had a fairly small budget, so I had to do a lot of research to find a suitable model to upgrade. I ended up going with the dell precision t3500. Beefy stock cooler, large case, and xeon x58 platform. One of the best things was that it uses a standard atx power supply (both 24-pin on the mobo and standard mounting holes) instead of the usual proprietary nonsense. The only proprietary part on the mobo was the 5-pin fan headers, but I found adapters online. Replaced the 2-core intel w3503 with a 6-core x5675, increased the ram from two 2gb sticks to three 4gb sticks (mobo has 6 ram slots, max 24gb), and threw in a gtx 1060 3gb.
If you go down the used office pc path and you can only find models from dell, hp, and lenovo that have proprietary components, at least make sure you can buy replacement parts (such as psu) from third-party sellers, and triple-check the form factor or dimensions of the chassis so you can make sure your upgrade parts will actually fit without any issues.
You do have to be careful to make sure you're getting what you pay for in older systems though. I started putting together a budget gaming PC build with an old HP z440 Xeon workstation. I put a 1660 Ti into it and it seems fine for basic gaming. I found an open box deal on a 4060 Ti 16GB and replaced that 1660 Ti, it benchmarks the exact same as the 1660 Ti did. Turns out the CPU is way behind the curve on keeping up, even with the 1660 Ti let alone the 4060 Ti.
That led me to a new open-box i7-14700KF gaming system. The old workstations are good machines, and I'll still use it for other duties but it did cost me a couple hundred in the end to find out that it wasn't good enough.
I've been playing with older systems for quite some time now and maybe it's my age showing but what's with all the LED lightshow going on inside and outside the PC case nowadays? Some of the systems I've seen on YT make me wonder if they'll trigger seizures. LOL!
Look into the Lenovo P520. Thinkstation. Around $200, with a Xeon W-2135, Cores. 6 ; Total Threads. 12 ; Max Turbo Frequency. 4.50. up to 256 gigs of RAM, they do come with a proprietary 900 watt power supply with two extra 6 + 2 included connectors. (2) M.2 slots on the motherboard .The case is large enough for pretty much any video card. I built a p520 with a MSI RTX 3060 12 GB for under $500 and I couldn't be happier.
I have an older ThinkStation S30 with a Xeon E5-2690 8c/16t, 64GB DDR3, GTX 960, 1TB SATA SSD as my secondary PC
I talked to high school principal, he used to order custom built PCs for his school, but now, he said, it became too hard or impossible. It takes too long to built and too hard to order for example 200 ready-to-go systems, and the only fast and effective solution is to order from one of those Dell-Lenovo-Acer brands. And for sure he doesn't care about those proprietary cables and reuse situation.
It was my experience in the past that 4th gen HP pavilions were the easest to case swap, if they came with the memphes 2 motherboards. Those were a uATX standard and fit a standered ATX case had a 24 pin connector 4 pin power the only issue was the fan warning that you could short pins to get rid of and had a stamdered io shield!
I bought a think centre sff 8th gen and got a 450watt OEM PSU and threw a 4060 low profile in it and now it's my main gaming rig. That thing is a beast.
what type
Yeah the issue he was talking about is if you try to use a standard power supply with an ATX adapter to fit the Lenovo board, the system and PSU fans will always spin even when the system is powered off or asleep. Meaning you need to flip the switch on the back of the PSU, or unplug it. Not a huge issue for enthusiasts trying to get a bit of used performance but it is annoying for reselling.
Got a refurbished P520 with Xeon W2135 and 64gb of DDR4 ram for $175 in October 2023 and added a 1TB m.2 and a video card. Quite good bang for the buck. Usually have good luck on refurbished computers from Amazon vendors with 95%+ rating and shipping from an Amazon warehouse. Found some excellent deals on Dell Latitude units with 8th gen Intel chips.
For years I used a Lenovo ThinkCentre which I upgraded the RAM and hdd on and tossed in an Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti 4GB graphics card (upgraded from a GT 730 2GB). Thing was built like a tank! I cut my teeth building gaming rigs on OEMs, usually Dell or Lenovo. So I can attest the ruggedness of used OEMs.
I'm typing this on a Latitude 5400 w 8th gen i5 that I got for only 112USD...
@@remixedcat I got a 5500 with i7 for $201.
nice @@daleclark3138
Reminds me of the dell optiplex with 2nd and 3rd gen Intel, they went from propiatary PSUs on 1st gen to normal ATX. Then when the 4th gen equiped systems came, they went back to propiatary...
i have a dozen of their 6th and 7th gen 1 liter Thinkcentres in my network rack running all my homelab, pihole, vpn, VMs, etc... I guess going forward I'll be looking for alternatives for my clustering and rack computers.
solid little HTPCs and emulation boxes too.
It's a shame they've went with their current marketing.
Vote with your wallet is all i can say to companies like this
"vote with your wallet" as if that ever works, the general consumer just doesn't care and never will, they don't have the time or energy to care
consumers voting with their wallet is exactly why the biggest laptop manufacturers deliberately make and sell truckloads of garbage to the low end and overpriced slightly better garbage to the high end
all anyone of us can do is do their part. a lot of us are tech advisors and tech elders to people in your influence .@@HelloTher1313
@@HelloTher1313 not with that attitude.
@@AlalpogHe was stating a fact, it's not dependent on the attitude of you, me or him. Sorry to break it to you but the majority of consumers buy stuff based mostly on marketing.
The newer Lenovo power supplies are just straight 12v or 12v standby. It's not that hard to modify a standard ATX supply. Just short the 'power on' wire so it's always putting out 12V when switched on. Hack or build your own cable or adapter. I have a Ryzen 5 Ideacentre right here and 12V rail is always on and that's all the board takes.
My new lenova laptop a key fell out when I slightly knocked the keyboard, I rang to get it fixed and was told not covered by warranty as their devices are so well made it must have meant I dropped the laptop or hit it really hard or something.
If an oem actually made gaming prebuilds with actual boards and ram and not blue brown green without vrm heatsink, and used actual cpu coolers and not either stock or 120mm aio, maybe more people would buy them, but that would cost them 30$ extra per pc so it will never happen (they milk every last CENT per pc with mcafee).
I can imagine giving a PSU making company a request to make PSUs using Lenovo's proprietary PSU with longer cables and higher power specifically to flip those old PCs into gaming units.
As I said already under Louis' video: The only thing Lenovo is telling us is to make a clean install of Windows when buying used systems. Combined with a big application of scare tactics.
Yes, used stuff could be broken, yes used stuff isn't the newest hardware. We already knew that.
But we also knew already that you shouldn't trust the installation the previous owner did.
Lenovo are UK based. Let me share with you what iv learnt living here for 20 years. These businesses target large companies who constantly buy large PC stocks, and who also scrap large stock, without considering selling to the used market. What goes in the bin is shocking. The recycle IT industry is another to look at. The business management team have no interest on the technical side that support refurbishment or resale. They only have their own monthly figures at heart.
Fujitsu Computers, Workstations and all their other products except Server Mainframes has stopped selling in Europe. Support continues after April 1st, 2024 but Sales have already been stopped or at least massively reduced.
No new Fujitsu Computers in Europe anymore ☹️☹️☹️
lol my friend bought a lenovo gaming pc. I want to say it was a 10th gen and gtx 1660 combo. He's only recently started coming around to the idea that he should have built his own ---- and this is the guy that built his own PC running Windows 2000 back when I was still on 98 with my emachine pre-built. so weird.
he needs to swap out the board for a normal matx board from a major manufacturer because the lenovo board is gimped, doesnt allow the cpu to run to its max
How much did he pay for it?
oh man I have no idea what he paid for it. He's had it for years at this point.
It's also not a 'K' SKU and iirc just an i5. He's asked me a few times what to upgrade the CPU to and every time I've told him to a new computer and explained that the board would not allow a higher performance CPU to reach it's full potential so it would be a straight up waste of money to drop something actually good in it.
I can say - he bought it brand new at costco or sams club or something like that. He's also upgraded storage, memory, heck I think he may have also replaced the power supply and CPU cooler.
That particular machine isn't really proprietary. It just uses a very basic board. Heck I think it might have been one of those Asus boards for system integrators.
10th gen and 1660 was a good combo few years ago, with all those GPU shortages. It could have been good deal back then. If he replaces 1660 with lets say 6650xt , he will get enormous boost in performance.
I have been using Lenovo for ages, I had a t430, then got a t530, I bought a Lenovo legion laptop for my partner because the older laptops were so great, I got a yoga tablet for my mom, it had a ton of issues regarding the wifi, but they eventually got around to fixing it. It feels like the quality is going down hill though, harder to fix stuff, harder to upgrade, and it is weird that their legion tablet isn't available over here in the US, it looks like a very versatile machine. Maybe instead of shying away from the used market they should make that a selling point like some car makers do, tell potential buyers that it retains it's value longer than the competitors, it's a better investment.
Always loved a Lenovo all in one's, good value and easy to upgrade. With the new models now virtually impossible to upgrade or refresh the thermal paste without breaking the LCD.
Change the systems to proprietary, sales drop then complain people don't want them, because that will bring sales back right? It must be easier than going back to open.
My company chose the lenovo think centers twice for office workers. The lack of functionality, was actually a winning factor. Saying it is a security plus, as the aio shield blocks use of USB. Still wasting money on a heap of pc's with no real budget friendly upgrades.
Reminds me of that time Palit was trying to tell people that mining wears out GPUs and you can't trust buying used GPU's.
Poorly treated mined GPUs can have problems, as can GPUs that have been used for mining for years on end, things like fans wear out, thermal paste dries out, The chip itself eventually wears out if treated improperly.
All problems on used GPUs, That being said, because mining GPUs are typically pushed a little more consistently, it can cause problems. Does that make it not worth buying a mining GPU, no You do just want to keep an eye on it and make sure that it doesn't have any defects or issues.
@@donovan6320 Exactly, this is a risk for ANY used GPU, not just mining GPU's. That being said, it's a common misconception that running a constant load is worse for solid state electronics. It's actually the opposite. Running a constant load is actually better than a varied workload, like gaming... SO LONG as the temperatures are kept in check. Yes, mining for a long period of time will wear out fans and dry out paste, but fans are easy and cheap to replace and most miners actually take better care of their hardware than most people give them credit for. Mining, in an of itself, is not worse for a GPU than any other use case.
@@TheGameBench exactly
Failure rates on ex mining cards are relatively high as cards are over clocked to squeeze out every dollar and are run until basically they're dead or no longer profitable for the crypto of choice. Additionally being on and mining for 24/7 for 5 years is 100% going to be worse than the power and heat cycling of a card used for like 2-6 hours a day for 3-4 years. Its just simple maths to realise that an ex gaming card is the safer and therefore higher value option especially when ex mining cards are about the same price.
i love old used lenovo products... i mean, i have a thinkpad t410 here (just upgraded with ssd), 14 years old and still running fine. ya, not for gaming of course, but still enough for browsing and/or for youtube 1080p vids.
Hey Bryan, I have one question regarding some hardware I have. In my storage I have about 9x working Lenovo 4th Gen SFF ThinkCentres and matching monitors for them. Do you think I should get myself keyboards and mouses to bundle them up to sell them as a full setup, or just sell them standalone? I started up a hustle with used PC and server hardware and I hope it will hit 5 figures or at least high 4 figures in revenue this year next to my full time job. I hope you can help me on that, thanks a lot.
I was uneasy when Lenovo bought IBM's Pro-sumer PC line like the Thinkpads but they were still holding true to the IBM side of things until a few years ago when they started making the Thinkpads more like their Ideapad garbage. I like Lenovo Legion laptops but after seeing their stance on used PCs, I will look elsewhere.
Who would have thought killing the resale value of your product impacts sales negatively. It's almost as there is a connection...
Lenovo's Legion gaming desktops are pretty much the only OEM prebuilds that got user replaceable hardware and everything is standard form factor....my laptop is a Legion Y740 and it's the best Windows laptop i ever had and their laptops have some of the best cooling systems out there. Their office pcs are indeed proprietary but so are all of the other companies aswell. For me their Legion lineup is the only one that's worth it
I have been trying to buy a Lenovo Thinkstation P620 for the low low, for so long now. I think a lot of people sleep on Lenovo and instead of just making stuff right they copy the trends from the likes of Dell, leading them down a rabbit hole.
I recently had a Lenovo M715q tiny receive a bios update through Windows. It's borked it with the 2400g it uses. How do I know that? I bought the same model with an A10 that doesn't work with the 2400g but It works fine on other motherboards. Between that and them the locking CPUs that was reported, I'm avoiding Lenovo from now on.
Reflash and carry on.
@@Hornet135 If only. I already tried that on both units.
Hostility toward the user is an easy way to damage your reputation.
I generally agree with all the points here. It's really frustrating when a brand goes from pro-consumer to anti-consumer nearly overnight across a generation. I do have to say though, that their embedded workstations and USFF machines are some of the most popular when they contain a Ryzen APU. Those things are insanely popular for emulation enthusiasts. But they don't do anything unique with those, which is where I think they shine.
Lenovo just needs to do what ALL brands need to do, and stop doing shit for short-term gain, and think about the bigger picture. Make a better reputation for yourself, price your products competitively, and make them reliable AF. People and businesses will come back.
What's up with the $100 high end gaming system series? Been waiting for a new episode
hasn't sold the last batch yet.
Just sold the second pc, now have a budget to begin having fun again!
@@techyescity just goes to show that it's a genuine series with the real ups and downs included! I love it. looking forward to next episode!
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Bought a lenovo legion desktop with 12th gen i5. The B660 board doesn't support 13th and 14th gen even though it is clear it supports it. Locked down with software, just as XMP. Such a shame. Also bought it on sale which makes it a great deal still.
why is everyone holding their microphones?? i dont know why but its driving me crazy to not use a stand or arm of some kind >
Lenovo's biggest problem is they charge insane prices. The only time their products are near market price is when their products are on deep deep sale. Worse yet you will pay them money, they will say the product will be custom made and delivered in a month and on delivery day you will get an email saying your product has been delayed another 9 months. And don't get me started on their awful support.
🙂 sounds about right, coincidentally i'm retiring my Lenovo Haswell board and putting it in storage, she's been good to me all these years, it always posted, i bought it new at Microcenter. Yes maybe Lenovo is hurting, its the similar story over at Intel with their snake oil commercials cause they are hurting a little bit too. Hopefuly Lenovo wakes up and rite up her ship. I like the Lenovo Legion Line, they carry them at Microcenter, they need a few things changed like getting rid of those oem coolers and using tower coolers, and they need to unlock the motherboard and make it bios friendly just like ur typical asus board or other name brand board, and remove those dumb power limiters on the cpu cause the cpu doesn't get to rev up the watts like u would see on a normal board.
Love the detailed info. It's like a tech yes history lesson :)
I remember seeing those Lenovo Legion 280hz 1080p monitors at Aldi here in Australia 🇦🇺 and thought that was a bloody good price🥳💪👍!
If I didn’t have a good Oled, a 4K HDR, 360hz Alienware 1080p and 1440p ultrawide monitor I’d have definitely added this monitor to my collection 🥰👍.
Switching from Dell to Lenovo isn't even that bad if the new monitor is good.
4th generation haswell ThinkStations with Xeon 1660 CPU is good and you can case swap it to any case with a top mounted PSU spot
My daily gaming pc of 6 years an courting is a Lenovo D30 thinkstation with gen one board. I have 2 Xeon E5-2667 v1 with 128 gs of ddr3 ram an a RTX 3080 ROG-STRIX-O12G gaming card an a Corsair HX1500i psu
And I love the D30 such a tank of a machine. But it does get slightly bottlenecked once in a while
But I have a v2 board for this but I am wait on some Xeon E5-2697 v2 for it
A damn shame that Lenovo besides taking advantage of the curve they dumped it to lows.
Ridiculous- scaring people about the used market is just torching your own quality.
A first time user without any of our knowledge just sees- ‘our product won’t last’
Imagine if the car market ever did this!
Honda - don’t buy one of our used cars as it won’t last- and you will have a hard time selling your new one later when you upgrade.
We have laptops from Lenovo and when something is not functioning they remove the whole motherboard or component and they replace it instead of fixing the actual issue. It's fine when it's included in the warranty but it's ridiculous when it's out of warranty service and we pay for the whole replacement part even if it's just a charging port.
its soldered together, probably would cost more in labor for the warranty repair guys if they did soldering in the field.
That is usual practice for all laptop manufacturers, except Apple. With Apple, they simply tell you to buy new MacBook 😁
@@aleksazunjic9672 🤣
I find it kinda funny, because I just bought the cheapest possible lenovo y40-70. And It does work just fine, it was $130 compared to $300-$400
Even some new desktops from Acemagic had issues with viruses. Best thing to do: re-install Windows unless someone is lucky enough to buy from someone like you, Brian.
Got a thinkcentre m82 with a i5-2400 as a part of a 3 for 1 pc trade. Was able to get it running with aftermarket psu with adapter. Biggest issue with that generation is they were very specific with the ram the board supports. Out of all the ram i have, a single stick of 2gb 1Rx8 DDR3 works. Came with 4x2gb installed, all were very similar but different speeds and the pc just wont work with anything else but what they list on their site. JUNK.
I ended up with a Lenovo desktop during the pandemic era and i recently gutted and binned it, rebuilt a new PC out what i could salvage and sold the GPU from it, none standard PSU and Motherboard with oddball connectors = pure ewaste
As long as they don't F up Thinkpads they can do what they want. Ebay is wonderful for used laptops and desktops, especially with free returns ticked in filters.
Yes, buy new, but only when it offers a good deal. At the end of the day, people will buy if they find something that suits their needs and fits into their budgets. A new PC can break down too, and even if you get a free replacement from the warranty, no one is going to pay you back for the time, data, or opportunity lost.
I bought a few 2nd hand "obsolete" Lenovo and HP desktops in the past few years. There was nothing wrong with them. All worked well. I am working from one now(HP) it worked with an external Graphic card, 1050Ti
I bought a $300 used desktop in March of 2023 and have had no issues with it.
And that's the exact reason why I never trusted Dell. Proprietary BS
lol I completely forgot Lenovo had any gaming branding going on. When I think of pc gaming Asus, MSI and nVidia are the first brands that come to mind.
Greed is so insidious. It just brings out the sleaze in people. If people could trust companies like Lenovo to make all of their PC's easy to repurpose, they would make money from the people that want to (and have the money to) make their newest models into something more, like a gaming PC or NAS or home server. Those that aren't able afford to go for the newest would still be able to rely on the used market for something that was good enough for their budget.
10:00 I don't see this on the smartphone market. 😅
Just bought my wife a lenovo legion laptop, 2nd hand for £170 (330aud) its only a nvidia 1050 and a quad core i5. But for the price I paid I dont think I could of found anything much better. And the wife is happy as it runs Like a dragon and the sims 4 really well.
I think the idea of getting an OEM PC to make a custom build is dumb personally. I find it hard to believe buying the parts is that much more expensive. Plus they always look so tacky when people make the chassis swap.
It seems weird to me that they would try and alienate a market that is pretty loyal for short term gains. Used Lenovos are pretty legendary especially in the open source crowd and they have been making money off of us for years with upgrades and refurbished batteries and the like.
Should we get Chinese boards x99 instead ? I'm thinking of building a xeon system to tinker with.
Wipe windows and install Linux. Used Lenovo's are a mainstay in Linux. You should always wipe the drives and install a fresh OS on any used PC. That's just logical
I prefer Lenovo myself over Dell and HP. Tho I didn't know the headaches associated going beyond 4th gen
I purchased a Lenovo Legion 5 but I erased the SSD and is only running as a mackintosh. Ventura and Sonoma. It runs better as a Mac than as a PC, go figure. Specs, 5800H, RX 6600m
The Lenovo Legion series are pretty open, but Lenovo really needs to update their firmwares.
to make it even worse, Lenovo no longer gives you warranty on new systems. they add in text which says they give you warranty, but when it comes down to it, then even for obvious factory defects they will do anything to avoid warranty, even if you buy a new laptop from them and it comes with a broken keyboard, they won't give you warranty on it.
even in the EU where such things tend to be followed a lot more than in USA.
I have a Lenovo laptop, many things where designed like crap, but lets not yet talk about that now yet.
however well within warranty it starte having serious problems due to that crap design.
to finish it off, the keyboard started to misbehave in the first year and some keys litterally died/broke before warranty ended.
while in the warranty period I opened a warranty claim,
as a response first it took long before they replied, but then after that it was also one test/instruction thing per mail so quite some time in between as many of them also where things you couldn't do if you where using the system. and I already had delivered more than enough proof of it being actually broken, yet still it went on to request me to do all kinds of test and even some of them double, or later asking if I tried something which they had litterally before asked me to try and which I had shown them proof of(this kept happening after they probably ran out of tests for people to do).
but the tests wheren't the thing they where after, since I had already delivered more than enough proof,
but they know how long your warranty still lasts, so what they did was just idle and spin around things for very long and so as to skip the last month of it's warranty and directly the day when the warranty was technically over they made the statement it was out of warranty and closed the case. despite this problem having been around for much longer and the warranty ticket being submitted in the actual warranty period, as well as the proof and such being delivered more than clear enough while in the warranty. so it should have been in warranty, the only reason it eventually fell outside of warranty was because they just kept spinning around it idling/waiting for the last month of warranty to pass.
but back to why it was designed crappy.
1. the keyboard is designed to be broken, I litterally have laptops from 12 to 20 years old, also some thin laptops, an I have used them way more and way longer yet there is nothing wrong with those keyboards, also they typed a lot better, even a old first or second gen i5 superthin laptop, which also had a very thin/flat keyboard.
2. the screen is so bad that you might wish you had a black and white screen just so you can see more colours, since this screen only supports grey, well technically some colour, but it is so washed out that you actually feel like something is wrong with your eyes after looking at it for a while.
3. the screen again, but now it is the brightness controller, when you put it in lower brightnes, but also in high brightness, but it just is worse in lower brightness, you will litterally get nausious and serious eye strain from the screen flickering so much, you can actually see the pwm frequency they use for the screen, so you littrally see the screen flicker, kind of in a way where it looks like some odd noice, after using that screen for a while both my night and day vision are worse for a while, while with normal screens that problem isn't there anywhere near to that.
4. they litterally still do not have working stable drivers for it, and much depends on propetairy hardware, meaning a lot doesn't work well.
5. while generally actually being really good on battery life and also on performance, the idle power usage is actually terribly high, so wether you do nothing or run a light game like minecraft or minetest it won't really affect the battery usage, wall powermeter also confirmed it.
6. IO ports?
7. also very important to mention, is that if you connect the laptop to the charger and use it, it will shock you litterally, it will litterally shock you if you use it while it is in the charger, even though that isn't completely as rare for metal chasis laptops, since my old magnesium Dell Latitude also did that, and actually worse than than this laptop. however next to that while charging the laptop will start making random coil whining sounds where you wonder if it is okay or if something is wrong, and Lenovo has no info on that.
8. the audio hardware actually still doesn't work, even though upgrading to Linux improves it's behaviour, the audio hardware has some serious glitches in it which cause it to sometimes not detect a headphone or to think one is still connected while it is not, next to that if you can't yet install Linux since you are still hoping to get your warranty through and since you won't take a external SSD with you everywhere just to run Linux from it without voiding the laptops warranty, if you use it in windows then if you use a full screen application it will glitch and lock the audio hardware to it's current settings, so it won't react to changes until that program is closed, even if you go to a non fullscreen program, this also means it can't detect it f you put a headphone in.
there is one exception however, it can detect when the headphone goes out then, and sometimes also glitches into that, and also enters it if you accidentally touch the cable, meaning that it will automatically switch to the buildin speakers after a while when using full screen applications. this is one of those problems which is fixed if you upgrade to Linux, note that I use my Linux install from a 1tb external ssd, since early on I already noticed things wheren't right and if I install it on the main SSD or swap the SSD(since the buildin ssd has only 512gb) then they would use that as a reason to void warranty, so I ran it from a external SSD, with Linux that till is faster than windows on nvme.
9. the wifi card has problems simply put, actually if you seek for problematic wifi and problematic wifi drivers in somewhat recent wifi cards, then that specific wifi card tends to be the first to show up, while it can reach good speeds and doesn't use a lot of power and can sometimes reach good range, Lenovo didn't suply proper drivers with it, and it also doesn't have proper drivers actually, so you have a rather big chance that for example it will chrash when it automatically changes from 2.4ghz wifi to 5ghz wifi, next to that tends to regularly be unstable at speciffic distances from the router, and likes to auto disconnect or greatly decreases speed even when in good range since it just isn't stable and doesn't have any proper drivers either
Lenovo: only buy new stuff from us freshly manufactured in our Chinese factories
also Lenovo: we care about e-waste, the environment, and carbon emissions
i saw that lenovo monitor at aldi a couple months back as well, didn't pick one up cause i had no use, but it was a shock to see it at AUD199
edit: added AUD
I saw an IPS 120Hz monitor for under €100 recently as well. It was a Samsung, though the reviews I found for it online were very negative... Even now there's an LG 100Hz IPS for €89. It's nice that gamers on a budget can enjoy high refresh rate IPS or VA panels nowadays, depending on their preference.
Only the Tech Yes City going up
I plan to bring this up with my friend who works at lenovo
Ive seen HP Omen prebuilts that dont even have XMP options in the BIOS/UEFI. Rediculous
I do think the average Joe that doesn't know anything about computers probably is better off buying from a brand apart from them taking a massive risk that could cost them more in the long run, like I asked you to do the video about pc's with GT710 graphics cards, and being classed as a "gaming pc", by the way thank-you for that video hopefully saved people from falling into that trap :-). but for a competent pc builder then I find going for parts that I can trust to be working some 8-10 years later was the way to go when buying parts used like recently bought an EVGA RTX 3090 used on an auction website we know, and yes working 5 months later without any noticable flaws. so if the person is able to change parts then buying used pre-built system that they have seen running, and with parts they can trust can be the way.
RUclips replies not being active for years? I see examples each day, that feature might just help.
They do make very solid laptops
Its kinda sad theres no easy flips like the i5 4570 and i7 4770(or 4790) machines used to be.
No one around me wants i5 6500 or even i7 6700 as they are quad cores and the newer i7 8700 and i5 8400 used office computers are just too expensive.
Lenovo P410 and P510 are okish for upgrading but normies dont know about Xeons and are hard sell, at least for me.
How many computers world wide are repurposed oem business pcs in new cases? I would think thats a small amount of users that lenovo doesn't care about. though why they had to make a statement about used pcs i dont know.
Here in the Philippines, nobody wants Lenovo desktops. SSF or Mid Tower both are dirt cheap and the specs just suck. Their Thinkstations are good (P520, etc)but too rare and expensive here.
Dell, HP, Lenovo - they are all the same in this regard
But yeah LOL on the "dont buy a used pc, buy this new one from us"! :D
Personally i have a pair of lenovo laptops, pretty happy with them when you can get a good deal
Used market has so much better deals. Even if its just prebuilds, components or laptops. You can buy stuff for 30-50% less than same stuff new. The profit margins on a lot of the new stuff is just insane
Working on 10 years used computer from HP that boot Windows in seconds and its fine today...
Asking the yes man if it's safe to buy a used pc...of course it is!!!
I bought like 10 Lenovo 1150 boards, none of them work with amd gpus. I’ve never had this issue before
I am watching this video with over 100 4th gen Lenovo think centers beside me here. Wondering if they had any value.
I just want to find a ThankCenter desktop like the police use. The USB dongle key I already found in a bejeweled box.
Have a Lenovo SFF pc ,to be converted to small gaming pc.
Lenovo is memorable to me. My first laptop
Lenovo is not having a downfall, they still make the best laptops, still sell lots of pc to corporate companies,
You would think companies would learn lol, of course, they don't and they never will. Honestly, though the people they sell their pcs too most likely would not ever buy used parts anyways.
Proprietary hardware is bad for the used market and the environment. Too many companies claim to care about the environment while doing everything in their power to make it as difficult as possible to reuse their stuff and repair it.
If you go looking about any brand you will find flaws and how they are bad, you can go nuts trying to pick the ''best'' one but lenovo overall seems like one of the top brands, definetly one if not the best tablet/laptop maker besides asus for laptops and samsung for tablets. Personally like Lenovo tablets more than Samsung.
Used may be more reliable than new?
I still have a Lenovo Desktop That Will Never Die, running a i5-4590 upgraded to 16Gbs of ram. Linux will keep'er going for another decade after the Windows10 Apocalypse.
Lenova, HP, Dell all these are the same.. I had so many bad experiences with the pre build PC with these brands. The only good things about branded pre build are the warranty, onsite support and the 1-to-1 exchange. Of course this come with hefty price tag. People who is not so technical to build their own PC like myself, have to rely on these kind of support. If I can, I will not buy from these brands.
please try a p 520
Pretty funny as I'm looking at a P920.
I work for the company who deals with Australia wide jb goodguys Harvey norman warrenty repair and replacements- and from my experience i can tell lenovo laptops are the worst built and designed following acer laptops. We have the most not repairable lenovo laptops in our 'deemed no fix' pile.
They arent all wrong tho. Bought used x240, 250 and 260 in that order and in that order they all died within 2 years. Since no local luis rossman, they are paperweights.