[Vampire: The Masquerade] The Guide to Clan Hecata
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
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In which the Gentleman Gamer explains why and how the Hecata were created, and why the Harbingers, Giovanni, Samedi, Lamiae, et al are all such good friends.
You can follow the development of the Hecata in the following books:
V20 True Black Hand: www.drivethrur...
V20 Lore of the Bloodlines: www.drivethrur...
V20 Dark Ages Companion: www.drivethrur...
V20 Tome of Secrets: www.drivethrur...
V20 Beckett's Jyhad Diary: www.drivethrur...
V5 Cults of the Blood Gods: www.drivethrur...
Probably some other places, too...
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As a fellow clan of death enjoyer I'm deeply appreciative of any and all insights! Always really enjoy your vampire dives, thank you!
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Clan Hecata have always been my favorite clan since they were released in Cults, subsiding the Tremere which is my 2nd favorite, I really love the formation of all the Necromancers together under a family hierarchy, it's got rich rp potential, the idea of bloodline loresheets is also rich and allows diversity to even if players play a whole coterie of Hecata, they can be very very distinct. The whole clan is just an amazing addition.
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I'm glad that the Giovanni got a re-working as they needed it. They seemed to have far too many bad habits not to get scapegoated or targeted by the two main sects, there were two bloodlines out to get them and they had little in the way of allies. Plus they would have a lot of enemies beyond the Shroud and Wraiths can be unpredictable. They needed to branch out a bit and be developed a lot more so folks knew what options were available.
Not to mention that many Giovanni would be, say, not one who would be in touch with their emotions thanks to their upbringing rife with domestic abuse and emotional incest. So while they would make effective thugs, bullies and enforcers, it makes them less effective when a softer touch is required.
And if anyone wants a modern view of the Giovanni, look at Succession. A family with tremendous wealth and power, but everyone is dysfunctional, no one in the family seems that competent and in order to take the top job you have to kill the head of the clan.
@@Galwayshade An excellent reference. Succession is a great example for the Ventrue, too. And please do check out The World Below on BackerKit. It would be appreciated! www.backerkit.com/c/projects/onyx-path/the-world-below
I was a big fan of Clan Cappadocian and preferred them over Giovanni because as mentioned they are not as insular or locked into a specific character concept like mafioso. Hecata was certainly necessary as a way to make the Clan more freeform and accessible and there is a certain poetry to Giovanni elders wrestling control from Clan Cappadocian only to have all these Necromancer Clans unite to overthrow them.
The one thing that I think is a shame, however, is the fact that by becoming bloodlines they lose their unique Clan Curses but I guess that's something that can be fixed by house rules.
Thank you for your and your colleagues' contributions!
The good news we do address the nature of the curses and how you can buy them with Flaws, in Cults of the Blood Gods.
I Sent this to my Dunsirn player and other Hecata lovers. They will appreciate the insight on the formation.
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My favorite clan,what a delightful surprise!
I REALLY wasn't expecting that, now I need to stop everything in my life to watch this!
Looking forward to it!
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Thank you for addressing the Nagaraja. They are my favorite clan from V20 and seem to have nearly disappeared in V5.
They're still present in Cults of the Blood Gods. And if they weren't there, they wouldn't have been present at all, like the Kiasyd, Blood Brothers, True Brujah, and such.
20:05 "has not earned me many friends."
Being a Hecata nerd got me a few! XD
I genuinely made some good friends because they had a question about the Hecata and one who knew me thought I'd likely know the answer. I did. And that conversation lead to us becoming friends. Two of these people have been to my home now.
Amazing video. An old school deep dive video into a few clans and their entwined history. I feel 10 years younger for some weird reason.
Ahh, the good old days.
Thank you for making this video! the Hecata are my favourite clan and this was a super interesting deep dive. I want to thank you for your contributions to moving the Giovanni forward and giving all the bloodlines a real place in the universe. I have been convinced by your previous videos to back The World Below campaign and I look forward to delving deep into this game too!
I've just bought the Cartographer tier and I'd looooove for you to make a deep dive on Saulot and the state of the Salubri
@@djinn4273 Drop me an email via matthewdawkins.com with your backer number just so I can verify, and I shall work up a Saulot / Salubri video for you!
Awe thank you, Gentleman!! This is fantastic! Plus, my entire group now is looking at The World Below at backing!
That is superb. Thank you!
Awesome video, very cool insight. I haven't gotten much into V5, but the Hecata seem super interesting. For the mutual survival I assumed it was a continuation of the End of Empires metaplot. My thoughts were Necromancers spent centuries pissing off Wraiths who suddenly didn't have a Hierarchy forbidding them from the Skinlands so it's open season at sunrise.
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I have my problems with V5, and a couple of aspects about the Hecata, but I found a good mindset to approach them from. I tend to think of them more so as a Sect than a Clan. I would've preferred to have rules for using their old clan weaknesses and a greater seperation of Obtenebration and Necromancy. But overall, Cult of The Blood Gods is probably my favourite book in the V5 line, and its the only book in the line I use in my v20 game.
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Main problem with Giovanni/Hecata, and even other three independent Clans from original VtM, is that they ALL work better as Sects. Each had unique Discipline, strong ethos codified around certain Path of Enlightenment (very often dependent of that particular Discipline) etc. It's a shame original creators weren't imaginative enough to introduce Assamites/Banu Haqim, Followers of Set/Ministry, Giovanni/Hecata and Ravnos as cults or minisects teaching their own secret theologies (ie. Paths) and unique powers. Overproduction of Clans and Bloodlines didn't make VtM better.
@@PrzybyszzMatplanety And that's why Requiem has a stronger foundation for each clan and covenant, as you can be both.
I personally adore the Dunsirn & "The Family Reunion" is wonderful for making them so much more than just Scottish flavored Giovani bankers.
I'm glad you like them!
And the good Baron takes a drag on a cigar, knocks back some rum, and laughs... and laughs... and laughs...
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First of all, I would like to thank you and your supporter for making this video. It really makes me appreciate the Hecata even more and it addresses the Nagaraja which I always thought was a little puzzling tbh.
I remember back when Cult of the Blood Gods was about to come out (or it had come out, but we at my table hadn't read it ) and we first heard the Nagaraja were going to be part of the bloodlines joining the Hecata. We were a bit skeptical at the time for the reasons addressed in this video and I'm sure we would've appreciated having the context of this video back then.
Anyway, we decided to come up with our own reasons why and how the Hecata adopted the Nagaraja. Because we are firm believers of homebrewing sh*t up. And so, for our table we decided the Capuchin had invited the Nagaraja for their unique knowledge of and abilities in Necromancy.
After all, the Harbingers were the masters of physical death and the Giovanni were master enslavers of souls, therefore to achieve true mastery over death, they needed to learn how to tame the raw forces of Oblivion itself.
So, they bargained with the Nagaraja for their "Nihilistics" and other secrets in exchange for protection.
For us, the three headed crest of the Clan of Death represented a conquering of the three aspects of death; the body (the corpse), the mind (the soul/psyche of wraiths) and the spirit (the shadow/oblivion itself).
We came up with this idea of a big Ceremony performed during Family Reunion where all the bloodlines became one via this rite that involved opening a big nihil by imploding the Angst of a hoard of souls in a Giovanni stronghold and infusing themselves with the energies of Oblivion. A"We might not all be family in blood, but we'll all be family in death" sort of thing.
It served us to explain why all the newly embraced Hecata shared one common weakness and why the Hecata started to get an affinity for obtenebration, as well. After we read the book we found out we came close to canon somehow, and we were pleasantly surprised.
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I really enjoy the work on Clan Hecata. My original theory was that Clan Giovanni was going to show up leading the Sabbat. If the Lasombra didn't want to be the leaders there,the vampire mob would. But I like this as well. The necromancers merged to avoid being part of a sect. They're one way out of having to be very deep in a sect and the great game of the night wars.
That would have been an unexpected twist!
I loved this long form dive! Thank you, definitely gave me much more interest in the Hecata. :)
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Whoo hoo new Gentleman Gamer vid!!
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An invaluable treasure trove of lore and information, as always. Cheers
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Man, I haven’t found a group to play VTM tabletop, but the ONE good idea I had for a vampire was a Giovanni sweet little old man who owns a winery-and, secretly, a diabetic research company. Because he realized that high sugar levels makes the blood _fermentable,_ so his more select customers HIGHLY recommend the Cabernet Vitae to their friends…
Lovely idea!
@@TheGentlemanGamerDang, you’re fast! I was just about to edit my comment to say “This is why I should watch the vid before I post. Didn’t realize you wrote the Hecata, didn’t mean any offense!” 😅
Thanks for the encouragement! I watched your old clan vids ages ago when I wished I had friends who were also into TTRPGs. Now I get to play at my local game parlor-just D&D so far, but maybe one day we’ll branch out. My creativity tends to drive our DM crazy, like my scribes wizard whose spellbook is an iPhone he found abandoned in an inter-planar library, which can manifest a hologram of Steve Jobs. 😂
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Figured I should watch this given Hecata is the clan the official quiz keeps giving me. Which as someone who always saw himself as tremere but often called a ventrue...I see it. Penchant for uncovering secrets and knowledge, mixed with the role of steward.
Admittedly I do feel like the hecata are too exempt from the various changes to the status quo in v5. No beckoning, they didn't join a sect, and at the time of their release were the only clan with bloodlines.
Very interesting! Would really enjoy seeing your view on both the Ministry and the Setites, seeing as they went through quite a big change in V5 as well - and the Cult of Set is covered in the very same book the Hecata were introduced in!
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@@TheGentlemanGamer Dang, Would totally do that if it wasn't this month, and ending like now. :/
@@koivandon Even a $5 pledge helps, gets you access to the entire manuscript, and you can up it after the campaign concludes.
Ah, man, I wish you would have another shot at designing a book for VTM. Even when I don't agree with your decisions, at least I can see where they're coming from and what doors they open
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We had a few good years when v5 was in the competent hands of Modiphius and Onyx Path. There's enough there to run with; you can safely ignore everything that came after.
I know, because we've been here before. This is history repeating. This is Revised Edition and splatbook hell Mk II.
36:06 - not all ventrues should be stock brokers
I couldn't agree more! I was always flabbergasted by the poor representation of ventrue in games and certain playing sessions. They are usually played as narcissistic "dicks". In the meantime, the docs describe them as true leaders. Well, if they are true leaders, why do I not want to follow them? Why are they depicted like a spoiled child? I feel like a classic ventrue is the kind of person that could inspire you enough to join a crusade all the way to Alexandria with their talks about righteousness (while providing perfectly viable arguments at that) and the only way you would find out they are full of crap is when you in the middle of a desert, injured from combat to a near death. Now, that's when you start (if at all) questioning your life choices and whether it was the right idea to believe the ventrue. That's when you rebel and start understanding Bruja much better.
But most ventrue I've seen are in-your-face walking stereotypes.
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This is amazing to see. TGG is the king of WoD lore.
"I have been told that we are again one....as brothers if you will then again i am also told i am a harbinger of ashur and im expected not to mock the brujah latest 'brilliant' move publically. Personally I think of it more as non aggression pact between several clans and a clever way of allowing us all to save face. While I do not seek their doom, I would not recommend any incestuous venetians presume clan unity applies and I suspect they feel the same.
The others are pagans, clods and idolaters who I will work with. I would also be very wary of any who calls themselves harbinger....much like the lasombra, are you sure the Sabbat was really a "tool to be discarded."?
-valentian the hagiographer cappadocian monk.
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"You say that but I am a Eastern roman monk who experianced the 4th crusade so my Venitian hate operates on another level...."
Its an interesting plot point that underlying tensions can bubble under surface especially if you're not ic familiar with the clan. For example in my current game my newbie giovanni player (who is remarkably pleasent ic and ooc) cannot figure out why the genuinely kindly elder is so cold to her.
Already have look forward to seeing how it pans out.
That was amazing, thank you so much.
There have been aspects of the Hecata that just didn't "click" in my brain and you cleared a lot of them up for me.
honestly one of your best videos, thanks to you and to the patreon
Thank you for saying so! What is it you found so enjoyable about it?
Very cool
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I supported the Cartographer tier of TWB a bout 6 months ago without knowing that it's your :D
Thank you so much!
22:05
I thought we were your friends 😮
Upd:
I messed up the time code. I was referring to 20:05 lmao 😂
Did Cappadocius like his family?
@@TheGentlemanGamerI messed up the time code. I was referring to 20:05 lmao 😂
I love the giovani, a connect between this and your lasombra video, you mention that lasombra can be played many different ways. I think the giovani suffers because many players will pick a clan as more of a class then a group, so the family reunion fixes that for the average vtm player
Great vids!
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Hi, I'm fairly new to the setting but I still find these vids incredibly interesting. My fav clan is Lasombra (I've already seen your vid on them), and while I can't say I 'most identify' with them, I do feel like I am somehow drawn to them, probably a combination of their feature set, their ambitious/ruthless nature and their lack of remorse in going for it. My second interest is the Giovanni though, I just like how unapologetic they seem to be. Incestuous but also proud. Powerful and yet seemingly do nothing with that power other than to amass more power. I find them fascinating because I find them very contradictory. I'm also a huge fan of unreliable narrators, especially when framed as an 'official' response. First really became aware of it as I am a fan of the Warhammer 40,000 IP as well, and all the codexes tend to be written from a pro-Imperial slant when you come to the fluff/history pieces, but now I just find that unreliable narrators should give you enough to be knowledgeable of a certain area, but it should be suspicious enough that you can draw your own conclusions, and therefore I think it's a valuable plot element in its own right.
Anyway, I find it would be quite hilarious in a sense, if 'the Cappodacian' is in fact Cappodocius (unless I guess it's already been 'proven' in some way within the plot that isn't the case) and that him getting the grandkids so to speak to off their Elders is actually quite clever given that, well, the amount of effort he'd have to expend is quite minimal.
Is it your intention that Augustus is indeed 'dead'? And is death for something like Augustus (or even Cappodocius) 'the end'?
Perhaps the original problem with the GIovanni was that not enough effort was made to actually incorporate them into the wider setting. I get that this would have been left to the players (or rather the story teller), but you'd think that a Giovanni loanshark would occasionally task one of his childer to beat up a guy who owes him money, and perhaps the GIovanni childer would even volunteer for the job because that would mean he would gain a leg up on that dratted Denise girl who master seems to be playing favourites with, etc.
My favs: Cappas/lamia, tzimisce, gangrel; my hates: gio, tremere, board room ventrue. This probably says more about Me then anything to be fair.
Vampires are people first, killers second 😅. So the clan of death truly is the "clan of death". I have to say, I have not really been a big fan of the various varieties of the death clan since learning of this game, but Matthew made their history more interesting to me with his exposition. They've certainly have gone through many periods of "cleansing" and also the usual ages of revolt with the younger against the elder. Yet they seem to always survive it, and not only that but become stronger by it. Very interesting take too on why they are ( or could be) immune to the Beckoning. I wonder how many true elders are left in the clan now.
There's definitely some, the family reunion prewritten Chronicle featured two Gen 5 Hecata, and some who are also pretty high (albeit one of those Gen 5 was a Gen 6 who later became a Gen 5), but probably less than the other clana.
An addendum to what you said about the worst way of playing being the stereotype: I think it deserves a caveat, that with your experience might not have thought worth mentioning: If you like playing that stereotype, if you think it'll be fun, absolutely go for it. The point I believe you wanted to make is that nobody should feel restricted by the stereotypes, and there is enough nuance for the possibility of any character, even a Tzimisce who loves and venerates life and happiness.
I remember I wanted to play as a Tzimisce scientist, and I got shit on because it was a stereotype. I had no idea about that, and I felt good for coming up with the idea. In the end I was just so disappointed that I ended up not playing.
I still prefer the idea of the the MET (legacy) book from by night studios for the giovanni. New sect called the alliance, together with the setites. Made more sense to me than the clans of death joining the giovannis. - but hey i really like this behind the scenes video
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Missed you my guy
Great video and explanation! Many thanks for this as it feels great to get this depe dive as I loved Giovanni lore and, although at first felt a bit off the creation of HECATA as it felt more like a technical decision for simplify Necromancy Clans, I started to build my mind around this.
Certainly the idea of recurrent purges to be related to not feeling the Beckoning had cross mind, so I really loved this kind of confirmation. I also was kind of expecting to be potentially influenced by the end of Giovanni Chronicles where the coterie and Children of Isaac get rid of Capadocius wraith/spectre.
And related to that, although I loved VtM Swansong video game and the work for the Boston By Night, I think it would have been great to get more details on what happened to Giovanni. My personal take on the matter before V5 release was the bloodlines, mostly the more recent ones, such as Milliner, were probably going to split apart, probably joining major sects if expecting to climb the power ladder, but this V5 approach is great and, in a way, it doesn't feel that different. Who knows what the end of the Promise may bring....
I wrote quite a lot about the Milliners in V5 for the book that became Boston by Night, but sadly that book ended up getting heavily cut down in size, and lost that content. Very unfortunate.
@@TheGentlemanGamer Oh! That's really unfortunate... Any chance there is a way of getting that write up or piece of "lore"? Or is it owned and/or protected by some NDA?
@@duloc81 I strongly imagine it's under NDA, as it's work I submitted for inclusion, making it the property of NACON and Paradox. It's a pity, as that book was one of my fondest creations when it was New England by Night.
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@@TheGentlemanGamerYeah, I kind of guessed so... Anyway, I'd love to see a video explaining your take about it (not necessarily your write up, but some different options to transition from that Dark Colony/GCIV Boston to the V5 version... Or about Lasombra reasons behind joining the Camarilla and Amici Noctis ideas, Vitel's actual destiny and Sybil's plans... Or many other topics!).
Regarding The World Below, it sounds actually interesting. I've been watching some videos and reading some articles and forums to try to clear up my mind, but feel that 2 days left is too rushed! I kind of regret know not having followed before, so I will keep checking and thinking (also considering delivery cost to Spain, if possible). For what I've seen so far I get some D&D meets Degenesis vibes. Not sure if this is the right forum but, could do some kind of comparison with those IPs, and also WoD, Cthulu or any other major one (to have more chances to know about it). Many thanks!
@@duloc81 I appreciate the suggestions! Right now I'm only making videos for folks who back the game, but I can still keep those ideas in mind.
I’m Italian and there was nothing offensive about the Giovanni in oWOD. The Italian mobster death clan was awesome fun. The clan book was also my favorite to read through.
Feasting on the lore, yum yum..yum yum
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It was a great video!
Oh and while I'm thinking about it, have you ever thought about interactions between members of the clan of death and Halaku demons? I would love to know your thoughts about that idea and potential form of infernalism that would be a Hecata being a pupil to one who was originally created by God to be an agent of Death
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When I'm thinking about the Giovanni, I'm not thinking about the Mob, but about baron Lorenzo Mancini. Check out this character (and his progeny) for inspiration.
Love it!
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Thank you
Good video. I hope you keep the older videos on the clans though; those are the ones that really got me into WoD. What happened to the old Tzimisce video?
I've no idea!
@@TheGentlemanGamer 🤔
Best part of VTM is the lore.
Read me for filth with the description of Giovanni enjoyers 😅 not my fault I'm always the storyteller never the player!
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@@TheGentlemanGamer I have returned 7 months later to say 1) I did support and 2) I have finally been a player for the first time after 20 years being a storyteller, and fuck is it a different beast hahaha...
I really love video! It's great to listen to all of this from a fan and writer of the Clan of Death!
A couple of questions: could there be male Lamiae? Could a male Hecate take the Lamia bloodline lore sheet?
How old could such a vampire be?
Maybe the case would be that this vampire inherited such blood instead of actually having been embraced by a Lamia?
I read somewhere, probably the wiki, that Lamiae did embrace males (very rarely). But in the v5 books, it seems to be clear that Lamiea are only women 🤔
If the Lamiae had a decent reason to Embrace a guy, I don't see why not!
How do you feel with Renegade release CotBG & CbN on their store, altering portions of the text?
They've got the license, so they can do what they like with it. I'm not hugely happy with text I wrote or developed being altered (as in Cults of the Blood Gods) or used in other books without credit being give to me (the Players Guide), but ultimately it's up to Renegade.
@@TheGentlemanGamer Thanks answering and sorry they did that
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More STONEMAN ....please....LOL
Back The World Below and sure!
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Did they diablerize their elders?
Nagaraja decend from seitites? I thought they descend from euthanatos who did a tremere and became vamps
They did, but the experiment was with Setite vitae.
Thank you! @@TheGentlemanGamer
Ah the hecata, a clan I very much did not like... But again when I started playing I used to hate the giovanni
And how do you feel about them now?
@@TheGentlemanGamer
If I have to be honest somewhat better, although it's... Similarly to most of V5... A mixed bag at best for me.
I suppose, much like the Giovanni before it it has gradually grown on me… like a stockholmesque deeply disfunctional relationship, a deeply dosfunctional love hate relationship to be more precise (which, all things considered, is pretty appropriate).
There are many concepts of v5 with which I do not really agree with, for example the necessity to decommission elders to allow players to "have more freedom", but this has already been talked about and in part it has been recalled.
Still, in a way or the other, Cults of the Blood Gods, which, even if I do not agree fully with all of what it contains, has still been a positive development, got me from considering the change as heresy and anathema to something I could build upon, correct (such as the italian there present which eeh… let's say its quality honours a long held wod tradition) and possibly refine.
In a way it's linked to why I decided to start writing a fan book trying to overhaul clan of death lore in general so... There's positives
V20 player here. Learning about the future, basically..
So Hecata is essentially a reunited Cap bloodline, with flesh eaters along for the ride? Sooo somewhere between a clan and a sect, but only because the line has been fractured so many times.
I kind of hate this and kind of love it. I feel too that it helps to make people understand that they can play a harby or sam or gio or cap without being ultra stereotypical.