Fantastic video, Gentleman! I was actually unaware that the Toreador were behind the "explosion" for the meeting with the Setites and the Cam... very interesting!
@TheGentlemanGamer indeed.... well, as a fan, I wish they would. Most of the source material that you have written was the writing that I shared with my group which helped them become interested in V5. I recall your previous video stating that they had a different vision in which they seek to take V5... Personally, I wish they would follow the lore you had in mind. From a consumer standpoint I can absolutely tell what is written by you and what is not. I feel it unwise to change direction, but that is out of our control.
One of my favorite works of all is Beckett's Jyhad Diary. It is magnificent, in my opinion. I am the group storyteller, so I found it as my personal lore Bible lol. Great work, sir!
@@justincroteau1458 Very kind of you to say so! I absolutely don't begrudge them taking Vampire in a different direction to the one I intended. I'm honestly happy I can apply my horror game writing skills to other RPGs, if I can no longer do so to Vampire.
You'll be happy to know that I have seen a great spike in the popularity of the Ministry, a lot of anarch players are interested in playing them. Heck, I see players emulate Chicago by night and cram the ministry into a Cam game because people like them so much. This is very different to the Followers of Set which were too often seen as one note, evil priest. Similarly the Giovani were seen as Italian Gangsters with some Necromancy oddly sprinkled in. Mr Dawkins, you can rest assured you nailed rewriting the most troubled clans. V5 has greatly increased the popularity of clans seen as too rigid in character types to play. That includes the Tremere, Givoani, and Setties who have all become far more popular to play in V5.
@@TheGentlemanGamer To elaborate, I see a lot of players, who would normally stick with the Toreador, try out the ministry in V5. Theres some overlap there now in players eyes and its fun to see the debate on which clan to stick a new character in. Its similar to the debate on what kind of Tremere (aka what house to belong to) someone wants to be in V5. Theres choices now that people didnt feel they had before.
@@TheGentlemanGamer If it weren't for the work you did and led on Vampire: the Masquerade, no one would be playing v5 in 2023, or at any time going forward. You can't say that, but I can.
My personal favorite Setite concept is a Therapist or Psychologist who is passionate about their own faith, but keeps it in check light light from an invisible lamp. guiding characters towards their own personal liberation from the societal chains that bind them. Liberation is liberation and is Set's ultimate work even if they don't end up in the faith. Many of the problems and life events, traumas other characters suffered are similar to the hours and gates in the Church of Set. My character takes inventory of this and occasionally guides them towards further enlightenment to free them. Overall the Therapist angle is a blast to play.
I wonder what it would have been like if the idea of the Giovanni/Hecata being the only independent clan left had always been the case even before V5. Maybe where the Ravnos and Banu Haqim are the 3rd and 4th Sabbat Clans and the Setites had joined the Camarilla.
Two things to say: 1. I love the idea of Setites being set up as a Ministry, the whole rebranding. For me it's not that I don't like the "Followers of Set" name because I like it but Ministry has so many more meanings. Also giving them more purpose than just corruption is a great move. 2. I love my Baali being evil and distinct. I wholeheartedly agree that they should be without a doubt evil. It allows me as a game master to show many masks that evil can employ.
@@TheGentlemanGameri do like them a lot. As you said here Baali and Followers were almost the same in a way. That's not good. A very easily perceivable difference between should exist.
It's so refreshing getting some insight from one of the writers of the Clan. The Ministry has always been on my top 3 and I always found it a pity that they get reduced to #evildndpriest. I always found that they have incredible depth and that they are no more inherently evil than your placeholder Vetrue or Tremere.
My favorite VtM character was and still is my Setite character. The funny thing about him was that he made a distinction between being a "Setite" and being a "Follower of Set." Though he was a member of the clan, he never worshipped Set or followed Set's tenants. Don't get me wrong, he was still a glorious bastard, just not in the same way or to the degree of the stereotypical Follower of Set. He even became trusted by many vampires in the city he called home despite being very up front about which clan he was part of. The "exception to the rule" as it were.
I’m working on a Chronicle right now, and one of the ideas I’m implementing is a Methodist Prince with a Seneschal who also acts as the spiritual advisor. I hadn’t considered the Ministry to fill the Seneschal’s role until this video. Thank you for the inspiration and all the work you’ve done.
I can tell you this much - I had little to no interest in the Setites before this schism, so you definitely succeeded on rebranding them. The corruption aspect was really important to me as well, but they were lacking something key in their previous version. I've now been playing Ministry for quite sometime, and it's really fun to play on people's expectations! So glad this video got made! Fantastic insights!
@@TheGentlemanGamer That does sound exciting! I guess I'll need to look that up then! Always fun to see different people's take on Ministers :) Mine definitely went more for the rock/Metal esthetic
Great video, love the insight you've provided to us. I love hearing about the process and the thinking that got into these design decisions. I really like the new Ministry, and I'm glad they got included in the way they did. Your Swedish accent impression is also spot on 😂
I've worked with sufficient Swedes and Danes to be able to imitate their respective accents (to a degree). Still haven't worked with any Norwegians however!
Thank you for the video, and the work you've done on for my favorite clan! They have such interesting themes, and ways to play them, but most people only looked on the surface. So I'm really glad to see them expanded, and see more people open up to them. Their lore in the Dark Ages is especially so fun, and I was glad to see it mentioned. Thanks!
I wrote a Banu Haqim character who was in on his clan bombing the Setite meeting with the Camarilla and thought it was dishonorable and was ostracized from the clan, settling in America.
I am convinced that the snake elements of the clan come from the movie "Lair of the White Worm," which features a cult of corrupters and sybarites that revere a Welsh serpent called the Dhampton Worm. You can see the Skin of the Adder in full bloom there.
I had always suspected that the name change to the Ministry was a deep cut reference to the Chester Bennington song System from the movie Queen of the Damned. The specific bar "Must you tempt me and provoke the Ministry." The whole song is Lestat raging about the struggle against the evil within. The beast wanting Lestat to die so it can have control. I always thought of Lestat, at least the movie character, as being a member of the Ministry.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Considering that Camarilla is not anymore "you're part of the club wheter you like it or not" but strict elitist circle for the best of the best (at least from their pov) then Lasombra are far better choice. Taking religious angle the Lasombra are Catholic bishops with gold crosiers and silk robes compared to lowborn Protestant preachers with worn out Bibles. Former are preaching to aristocracy in halls of power, the other ones to unimportant and poor rabble. Banu Haqim are as well considered highborn, they're to the Ashirra what Ventrue are to the Camarilla. Also dumping Serpentis and using Protean in it's place was very good choice. There never was a need of too much Disciplines that diluted the game. And most clans with unique Disciplines had very little substance to them beside those unique powers. Opening Setites to wider range of interpretation was great success IMO. I also liked them more as these vampires with egyptologist/assyriologist knack, invading old tombs in search of ancient knowledge, mystical secrets and truth about past of vampiric race. And it's logical it was Toreador clan that blew the shit up. Sensualists and Divas were always the best customers in Setite temples. It's reasonable they wouldn't want to have so close people who know too much about how truly depraved and monstrous Toreadors are.
Great news! Glad it did so well. Followers as Antiquarians and spiritual advisors? I like that! I'll have to write up an NPC like that. The one I'm using just now is using the drug dealer bit as a cover for more nefarious things. Kind of like this: "You were seen giving a package so such and such. What was it?" "Oh, they just wanted (drug) for their ghouls, some kind of party, I don't ask details" They were not drugs he was selling, but that's for the coterie to work out. His obfuscate is high enough to lie to fledglings if his manipulation/subterfuge doesn't do it already.
Oh superb. And don't get me wrong, I think the Setite drug dealer is still a good concept, though it's a good plan to have it married to some other intention.
@@TheGentlemanGamer Agreed. He'll be dealing in information and a few exotic wares, which coincidentally plays into the antiquarian aspect. It's V20 and based him off your Gentleman's Guide concept. One of the things he trades with a customer will be explained as snack and associated paraphernalia, but was actually a very special knife that aids the killing of kindred. Murder mystery, you see. Of course, they have to find the "good looking man", described in a journal written by one of the thin blood squatters. If they can find this nan, they might well find out what a naughty boy he's been. Just a shame there are other obstacles and a couple of red herrings in the way. I mean, how unfortunate! 😉
Some of my favorite PCs were Giovanni and Setite. I had a Giovanni who operated a gun running organization in Baltimore. It was goodfellas meets interview with the vampire and it was awesome. My setite was a drug dealer in New Orleans. It was a super dark game riddled with the occult that was very lovecraftian.
This was even better than the Hecata deep dive, which I finished just before. And also more important to my understanding the Ministry You successfully identified and resolved the contradictions in their presentation over the years -- contradictions which left me completely baffled what the eff to do with them. Thanks again.
Wow, I really enjoyed your video about my now-favorite clan. It’s such a relief to see that so many clans have become more engaging for players. Unfortunately, I still need to convince my storyteller that the corruption aspect isn't a major pillar anymore. But one thing, Mr. Gentleman Gamer - you never touched on the Clan Compulsion 'Transgression.' Just 'Why'...? What are your thoughts on this particular Compulsion, and is there any behind-the-scenes information you can share about his development? Nowadays, I find it hard to convince my playgroup that Chronicle Tenets should be achievable so that they can be broken, rather than set impossibly high... its always the same.
From memory it's because Set's influence is ultimately corruptive that it compels the Ministry, no matter how pure they are, to pursue transgressive aims.
I think it makes sense to make the Series apart of the Anarchs. It almost seems like like they should have been from the beginning. The Series, to me, are a clan about rebellion, but rebellion for the purpose of liberation at least how they see it. They have turned rebellion from strict structures of morality and traditional social notes into a form of spirituality. I'm very interested to see what affect that will have on the Anarchs and their whole philosophy of rebellion and freedom.
Have you thought of writing a novella based on a certain Gentleman Gamer (who may give Critias a run for his vitae) ? Or several legendary tales regarding other vampires from different clans (from your fabulous mind of course). Or something like that. As a reader and listener only, I would love to backup a book created by you... and I am sure our fellow kindred would too based on your vampire view counts. As a sidenote, I am loving that you again have joined Red Moon Roleplaying in their latest endeavor! Thank you for all you do :)
@TheGentlemanGamer I would especially since Saulot is considered the founder of Road of Heaven. I would honestly say they are more tied to Faith than the Setties in my opinion.
@@remen9013 Where I disagree is that despite their founder's beliefs, the Salubri are not a clan defined by being the members of a belief system, cult, or religion, whereas the Followers of Set were, and so the Ministry are. I see the Salubri as likely to take on the mantle of cult leaders (all the better to access willing vessels), but they could just as easily take on the role of nurses, therapists, teachers, and other roles that allow them to insert themselves into the herd. I see the Salubri as the Clan of the Parasite.
I wouldn't cathegorize the Salubri as a Clan of Faith, moreso a Clan of Healers. Also to balance the clans of the childer of Enoch: Faith (Set), Truth (Malkav), and Healing (Saulot).
It was the Dark Age Setite clan novel that made the FoS interesting for me. I am always hoping Andreas Aegyptus will show up somewhere in the meta plot again.
What i always questioned is WHY they were into corruption in earlier editions... the only answer i could find is in Cairo By Night, where one of the elders were more... aware the more corrupt society was, that makes somewhat (a bit) sense for Cairo setites... but for the clan as a whole? Not so much. So we always wondered what they wanted, what their ideal society would look like, Weimar Berlin, to us atleast seemed the natural goal, its not about corruption as a end, but as a mean to create the 'liberal' society that allows sex, drug, rock'n'roll. To be clear, weimar was not a perfect society at all, but i dont think the setites cares too much, they are vampires after all.. Even if this is a house interpretation, it allowed us to have a more natural sensible goal for them, which let them be less one note, and had some interesting clan politics alá assamites, of who wanted that and who did not
I think the corruption angle in 1e and 2e was more or less just to elevate themselves as vampire pimps and drug dealers while everyone else was the client. Come Revised Edition, the corruption was as a means to divest people from their existing structures, and allow Set to fill in the gap. Much like revivalist preachers and their born again ways.
I really hate that V5 didn’t put all 13 clans in core book. It’s not the company’s job to dictate which clans are playable. You put it all in core book and let players decide for themselves what and how to play.
For what it's worth, my latest chronicle is running the clan set up you initially proposed, with 99.99999999% of the Lasombra still with the Camarilla and most of the settites joining the Camarilla alongside the Banu Haqim, and even some of Clan Hecata ( I know you just died of cringe and I'm sorry )
i actually played a Minister in a one shot my friend ran a few days ago. I feel like the followers of Set are in a much better place in V5. Part of the problem with the old Setites was as an independent clan they had no allies in the camarilla, sabbat or anarchs. I like the Setites "hiding within religion" its very similar to the "children of the Scarlett king" cult from the S.C.P. foundation. the problem with independant clans is i feel like the entire party would have to be of that independant clan or they would just be destroyed by whatever local sect is in power. the only thing i dont like about v5 Ministry is Serpentis being turned into Protean. I loved the powers "mother of monsters", "form of the cobra" and "typhonic avatar". I guess you can still KINDA do that if you buy into vissicitude as a combo discipline. but i miss being able to turn into a badass lizard man with super strength.
Well right before the tailend of the video when you bring up the Lasombra, I was thinking "man, this just throws a monkey wrench in what I was trying to do." For the setting I'm writing I'm using some conflict as the centers of supernatural closure for the kindred in an divided city. I wrote at one side a independent-gangrel allied setite boss and as his spiritual opponents a noddist pack. Your ensight will help me develop the common grounds and specially the tension between the two thoughts.
They are hands down my favorite clan. I love the idea that they embace atheists and people who are capable of subverting/deconstructing religious ideas, and yet their intent is to bring as many as they can into their own fringe cult. It's gross and manipulative in every sense.
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Fantastic video, Gentleman! I was actually unaware that the Toreador were behind the "explosion" for the meeting with the Setites and the Cam... very interesting!
That was purely my plan for it. Whether they stick with it or ever revisit it (I doubt they will) for V5, is up to them.
@TheGentlemanGamer indeed.... well, as a fan, I wish they would. Most of the source material that you have written was the writing that I shared with my group which helped them become interested in V5.
I recall your previous video stating that they had a different vision in which they seek to take V5... Personally, I wish they would follow the lore you had in mind. From a consumer standpoint I can absolutely tell what is written by you and what is not. I feel it unwise to change direction, but that is out of our control.
One of my favorite works of all is Beckett's Jyhad Diary. It is magnificent, in my opinion. I am the group storyteller, so I found it as my personal lore Bible lol. Great work, sir!
@@justincroteau1458 Very kind of you to say so! I absolutely don't begrudge them taking Vampire in a different direction to the one I intended. I'm honestly happy I can apply my horror game writing skills to other RPGs, if I can no longer do so to Vampire.
@TheGentlemanGamer Very true! Such as with the World Below! Marvelous work! I shared the link like mad to help support your work and creativity
You'll be happy to know that I have seen a great spike in the popularity of the Ministry, a lot of anarch players are interested in playing them. Heck, I see players emulate Chicago by night and cram the ministry into a Cam game because people like them so much. This is very different to the Followers of Set which were too often seen as one note, evil priest. Similarly the Giovani were seen as Italian Gangsters with some Necromancy oddly sprinkled in. Mr Dawkins, you can rest assured you nailed rewriting the most troubled clans. V5 has greatly increased the popularity of clans seen as too rigid in character types to play. That includes the Tremere, Givoani, and Setties who have all become far more popular to play in V5.
That's excellent, and I'm so glad they resonated! While I may not be working on Vampire any more, it's lovely to know the work I did made an impact.
@@TheGentlemanGamer To elaborate, I see a lot of players, who would normally stick with the Toreador, try out the ministry in V5. Theres some overlap there now in players eyes and its fun to see the debate on which clan to stick a new character in. Its similar to the debate on what kind of Tremere (aka what house to belong to) someone wants to be in V5. Theres choices now that people didnt feel they had before.
@@TheGentlemanGamer If it weren't for the work you did and led on Vampire: the Masquerade, no one would be playing v5 in 2023, or at any time going forward.
You can't say that, but I can.
My personal favorite Setite concept is a Therapist or Psychologist who is passionate about their own faith, but keeps it in check light light from an invisible lamp. guiding characters towards their own personal liberation from the societal chains that bind them. Liberation is liberation and is Set's ultimate work even if they don't end up in the faith. Many of the problems and life events, traumas other characters suffered are similar to the hours and gates in the Church of Set. My character takes inventory of this and occasionally guides them towards further enlightenment to free them. Overall the Therapist angle is a blast to play.
That's a superb character concept Rick.
I wonder what it would have been like if the idea of the Giovanni/Hecata being the only independent clan left had always been the case even before V5. Maybe where the Ravnos and Banu Haqim are the 3rd and 4th Sabbat Clans and the Setites had joined the Camarilla.
It was an idea I was keen on, but alas, not to be.
This makes them, IMHO, as fun as the Lasombra. Thank you so much for this insight.
Depending on how you view the Lasombra, that could be good or bad!
Two things to say:
1. I love the idea of Setites being set up as a Ministry, the whole rebranding. For me it's not that I don't like the "Followers of Set" name because I like it but Ministry has so many more meanings. Also giving them more purpose than just corruption is a great move.
2. I love my Baali being evil and distinct. I wholeheartedly agree that they should be without a doubt evil. It allows me as a game master to show many masks that evil can employ.
I'm glad you like them!
@@TheGentlemanGameri do like them a lot. As you said here Baali and Followers were almost the same in a way. That's not good. A very easily perceivable difference between should exist.
Now we re talking let’s gooooooo. The Gentlemen Gamer is showing them all how it’s done!!!
It's so refreshing getting some insight from one of the writers of the Clan. The Ministry has always been on my top 3 and I always found it a pity that they get reduced to #evildndpriest. I always found that they have incredible depth and that they are no more inherently evil than your placeholder Vetrue or Tremere.
I completely agree.
My favorite VtM character was and still is my Setite character. The funny thing about him was that he made a distinction between being a "Setite" and being a "Follower of Set." Though he was a member of the clan, he never worshipped Set or followed Set's tenants. Don't get me wrong, he was still a glorious bastard, just not in the same way or to the degree of the stereotypical Follower of Set. He even became trusted by many vampires in the city he called home despite being very up front about which clan he was part of. The "exception to the rule" as it were.
What an excellent concept!
I’m working on a Chronicle right now, and one of the ideas I’m implementing is a Methodist Prince with a Seneschal who also acts as the spiritual advisor. I hadn’t considered the Ministry to fill the Seneschal’s role until this video. Thank you for the inspiration and all the work you’ve done.
Thank you for finding inspiration! I'm glad to help.
The Ministry/Followers of Set are my favorite clan. I am always happy to see a video about them!
I'm a big fan of them, and was very happy to have been able to design them for V5.
I'm looking forward to the Lasombra video. Also, World Below is really fun, congratulations on your work.
I can tell you this much - I had little to no interest in the Setites before this schism, so you definitely succeeded on rebranding them. The corruption aspect was really important to me as well, but they were lacking something key in their previous version. I've now been playing Ministry for quite sometime, and it's really fun to play on people's expectations! So glad this video got made! Fantastic insights!
I had a great deal of fun playing a member of the Ministry in Red Moon Roleplaying's actual play of the Sacrifice.
@@TheGentlemanGamer That does sound exciting! I guess I'll need to look that up then! Always fun to see different people's take on Ministers :) Mine definitely went more for the rock/Metal esthetic
@@koivandon Mine was an abusive boyfriend and male model.
Great video, love the insight you've provided to us. I love hearing about the process and the thinking that got into these design decisions. I really like the new Ministry, and I'm glad they got included in the way they did.
Your Swedish accent impression is also spot on 😂
I've worked with sufficient Swedes and Danes to be able to imitate their respective accents (to a degree). Still haven't worked with any Norwegians however!
Thank you for the video, and the work you've done on for my favorite clan! They have such interesting themes, and ways to play them, but most people only looked on the surface. So I'm really glad to see them expanded, and see more people open up to them. Their lore in the Dark Ages is especially so fun, and I was glad to see it mentioned. Thanks!
I wrote a Banu Haqim character who was in on his clan bombing the Setite meeting with the Camarilla and thought it was dishonorable and was ostracized from the clan, settling in America.
The Toreador secretly being the ones behind is now canon in my campaign.
This was actually very eye opening. Guess I'm using the Ministry in my VTM/VTR amalgm Chronicle. More complexity, just what I need!
Like any good Minister would say "I'm happy to have helped open your eyes, my child."
My absolute favorite clan so very interested in hearing what Matthew has to say
I am convinced that the snake elements of the clan come from the movie "Lair of the White Worm," which features a cult of corrupters and sybarites that revere a Welsh serpent called the Dhampton Worm. You can see the Skin of the Adder in full bloom there.
No, they actually came from the creators' love of the Conan movie and Thulsa Doom. This is actually true.
You're in a better position to know than I,@@TheGentlemanGamer, but the similarities are very strong - maybe a secondary influence along the way?
@@jadasc It's quite possible! That and of course the Serpent in the Garden of Eden, though how that ties to Set... Ehh.
I still can’t decide which is my favorite clan, but every time I try to make a list, the Ministry always rises higher and higher in my appraisal 😊
I had always suspected that the name change to the Ministry was a deep cut reference to the Chester Bennington song System from the movie Queen of the Damned. The specific bar "Must you tempt me and provoke the Ministry." The whole song is Lestat raging about the struggle against the evil within. The beast wanting Lestat to die so it can have control. I always thought of Lestat, at least the movie character, as being a member of the Ministry.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Considering that Camarilla is not anymore "you're part of the club wheter you like it or not" but strict elitist circle for the best of the best (at least from their pov) then Lasombra are far better choice. Taking religious angle the Lasombra are Catholic bishops with gold crosiers and silk robes compared to lowborn Protestant preachers with worn out Bibles. Former are preaching to aristocracy in halls of power, the other ones to unimportant and poor rabble.
Banu Haqim are as well considered highborn, they're to the Ashirra what Ventrue are to the Camarilla.
Also dumping Serpentis and using Protean in it's place was very good choice. There never was a need of too much Disciplines that diluted the game. And most clans with unique Disciplines had very little substance to them beside those unique powers.
Opening Setites to wider range of interpretation was great success IMO. I also liked them more as these vampires with egyptologist/assyriologist knack, invading old tombs in search of ancient knowledge, mystical secrets and truth about past of vampiric race.
And it's logical it was Toreador clan that blew the shit up. Sensualists and Divas were always the best customers in Setite temples. It's reasonable they wouldn't want to have so close people who know too much about how truly depraved and monstrous Toreadors are.
Oh yeah, I think that we went for the best option for the clan, ultimately. And I don't mind dumping Serpentis at all.
Great news! Glad it did so well.
Followers as Antiquarians and spiritual advisors? I like that! I'll have to write up an NPC like that.
The one I'm using just now is using the drug dealer bit as a cover for more nefarious things. Kind of like this:
"You were seen giving a package so such and such. What was it?"
"Oh, they just wanted (drug) for their ghouls, some kind of party, I don't ask details"
They were not drugs he was selling, but that's for the coterie to work out. His obfuscate is high enough to lie to fledglings if his manipulation/subterfuge doesn't do it already.
Oh superb. And don't get me wrong, I think the Setite drug dealer is still a good concept, though it's a good plan to have it married to some other intention.
@@TheGentlemanGamer Agreed. He'll be dealing in information and a few exotic wares, which coincidentally plays into the antiquarian aspect. It's V20 and based him off your Gentleman's Guide concept. One of the things he trades with a customer will be explained as snack and associated paraphernalia, but was actually a very special knife that aids the killing of kindred. Murder mystery, you see.
Of course, they have to find the "good looking man", described in a journal written by one of the thin blood squatters. If they can find this nan, they might well find out what a naughty boy he's been. Just a shame there are other obstacles and a couple of red herrings in the way. I mean, how unfortunate! 😉
Some of my favorite PCs were Giovanni and Setite.
I had a Giovanni who operated a gun running organization in Baltimore. It was goodfellas meets interview with the vampire and it was awesome. My setite was a drug dealer in New Orleans. It was a super dark game riddled with the occult that was very lovecraftian.
This was even better than the Hecata deep dive, which I finished just before. And also more important to my understanding the Ministry You successfully identified and resolved the contradictions in their presentation over the years -- contradictions which left me completely baffled what the eff to do with them.
Thanks again.
Wow really explained the ministry in a fantastic way! I couldn’t stand the Set part but I love the Ministry bent they have now! Gotta play one soon!
I'm glad you liked the video!
long time no see! looking good!
Wow, I really enjoyed your video about my now-favorite clan. It’s such a relief to see that so many clans have become more engaging for players. Unfortunately, I still need to convince my storyteller that the corruption aspect isn't a major pillar anymore.
But one thing, Mr. Gentleman Gamer - you never touched on the Clan Compulsion 'Transgression.' Just 'Why'...? What are your thoughts on this particular Compulsion, and is there any behind-the-scenes information you can share about his development?
Nowadays, I find it hard to convince my playgroup that Chronicle Tenets should be achievable so that they can be broken, rather than set impossibly high... its always the same.
From memory it's because Set's influence is ultimately corruptive that it compels the Ministry, no matter how pure they are, to pursue transgressive aims.
I think it makes sense to make the Series apart of the Anarchs. It almost seems like like they should have been from the beginning. The Series, to me, are a clan about rebellion, but rebellion for the purpose of liberation at least how they see it. They have turned rebellion from strict structures of morality and traditional social notes into a form of spirituality. I'm very interested to see what affect that will have on the Anarchs and their whole philosophy of rebellion and freedom.
Pure joy: first Giovanni - my second most favorite clan - now Setites - my absolute fav. ^_^ What's next, Brujah Iconoclasts? :D
Well nobody requested that one!
Have you thought of writing a novella based on a certain Gentleman Gamer (who may give Critias a run for his vitae) ? Or several legendary tales regarding other vampires from different clans (from your fabulous mind of course). Or something like that.
As a reader and listener only, I would love to backup a book created by you... and I am sure our fellow kindred would too based on your vampire view counts.
As a sidenote, I am loving that you again have joined Red Moon Roleplaying in their latest endeavor!
Thank you for all you do :)
It's a lovely idea, but I'm doubtful I'll be hired to work on Vampire again. I do appreciate the support though!
Setties as a Clan of Faith could help explain why Set and Saulot were brothers. As both Clans are Clans of Faith.
I don't really consider the Salubri a clan of faith, interestingly.
@TheGentlemanGamer I would especially since Saulot is considered the founder of Road of Heaven. I would honestly say they are more tied to Faith than the Setties in my opinion.
@@remen9013 Where I disagree is that despite their founder's beliefs, the Salubri are not a clan defined by being the members of a belief system, cult, or religion, whereas the Followers of Set were, and so the Ministry are. I see the Salubri as likely to take on the mantle of cult leaders (all the better to access willing vessels), but they could just as easily take on the role of nurses, therapists, teachers, and other roles that allow them to insert themselves into the herd. I see the Salubri as the Clan of the Parasite.
I wouldn't cathegorize the Salubri as a Clan of Faith, moreso a Clan of Healers.
Also to balance the clans of the childer of Enoch: Faith (Set), Truth (Malkav), and Healing (Saulot).
The Ministry imo would serve well as the modern nights 'Cainite Heresy'
Who are actually present in Cults of the Blood Gods!
It was the Dark Age Setite clan novel that made the FoS interesting for me. I am always hoping Andreas Aegyptus will show up somewhere in the meta plot again.
I believe I added him - or at least a reference to him - to Beckett's Jyhad Diary.
What i always questioned is WHY they were into corruption in earlier editions... the only answer i could find is in Cairo By Night, where one of the elders were more... aware the more corrupt society was, that makes somewhat (a bit) sense for Cairo setites... but for the clan as a whole? Not so much.
So we always wondered what they wanted, what their ideal society would look like, Weimar Berlin, to us atleast seemed the natural goal, its not about corruption as a end, but as a mean to create the 'liberal' society that allows sex, drug, rock'n'roll. To be clear, weimar was not a perfect society at all, but i dont think the setites cares too much, they are vampires after all.. Even if this is a house interpretation, it allowed us to have a more natural sensible goal for them, which let them be less one note, and had some interesting clan politics alá assamites, of who wanted that and who did not
Then there are the 'set is a god, and we need to create heaven on earth for him' faction, which again, internal clan politics potential
I think the corruption angle in 1e and 2e was more or less just to elevate themselves as vampire pimps and drug dealers while everyone else was the client. Come Revised Edition, the corruption was as a means to divest people from their existing structures, and allow Set to fill in the gap. Much like revivalist preachers and their born again ways.
I really hate that V5 didn’t put all 13 clans in core book. It’s not the company’s job to dictate which clans are playable. You put it all in core book and let players decide for themselves what and how to play.
For what it's worth, my latest chronicle is running the clan set up you initially proposed, with 99.99999999% of the Lasombra still with the Camarilla and most of the settites joining the Camarilla alongside the Banu Haqim, and even some of Clan Hecata ( I know you just died of cringe and I'm sorry )
Your awesome dude and awesome video be safe out there big fan of vampire of masquerade
i actually played a Minister in a one shot my friend ran a few days ago. I feel like the followers of Set are in a much better place in V5. Part of the problem with the old Setites was as an independent clan they had no allies in the camarilla, sabbat or anarchs. I like the Setites "hiding within religion" its very similar to the "children of the Scarlett king" cult from the S.C.P. foundation. the problem with independant clans is i feel like the entire party would have to be of that independant clan or they would just be destroyed by whatever local sect is in power. the only thing i dont like about v5 Ministry is Serpentis being turned into Protean. I loved the powers "mother of monsters", "form of the cobra" and "typhonic avatar". I guess you can still KINDA do that if you buy into vissicitude as a combo discipline. but i miss being able to turn into a badass lizard man with super strength.
Please make a video about Maeghar
Well right before the tailend of the video when you bring up the Lasombra, I was thinking "man, this just throws a monkey wrench in what I was trying to do." For the setting I'm writing I'm using some conflict as the centers of supernatural closure for the kindred in an divided city. I wrote at one side a independent-gangrel allied setite boss and as his spiritual opponents a noddist pack. Your ensight will help me develop the common grounds and specially the tension between the two thoughts.
I'm glad the video helped!
Why were they called "The Ministry" in V5, and not "Mesu Bedshet" like what was established at the end of Beckett's Jyhad Diary?
There was no requirement for it.
The ministry are the jim jones of VtM 😅
How would be an average ministry vampire in a city now? 🤔 I can't take the image of Corruptors away hahaha
wouldn't the salubri be more deserving of the clan of faith?
I wouldn't say so, no. There's nothing inherently religious about the Salubri.
this was fun XD
They are hands down my favorite clan. I love the idea that they embace atheists and people who are capable of subverting/deconstructing religious ideas, and yet their intent is to bring as many as they can into their own fringe cult. It's gross and manipulative in every sense.
I, as an American disagree with your use of the word "evangelical," as they are a very alt. right faction within the Christian churches here.
That's fair enough!
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