All my edges are very close to 17 degrees per side. I usually put them in my lansky to check them after i sharpen. Theyre usually right in between 17 and 20. So its possible they could be id say up to 2 degrees different at most. But these 3 were all very close. Its why i picked these specifically
Really great video thank you. I think we can all agree that all 3 of these knives now need to be sharpened, makes me question if it’s worth the additional cost of the spy27 or 20cv over s30v....
S30V is better than spy27. The 20cv is above those two and could worth the overprice but not spy27 definitly. It is nothing but the next Spyderco's standard work horse steel with reduced costs. You don't give your name to a foreign steel with questionable availability, I'm sure they are planning to use it extensively very soon.
I own blades with all 3 steels. I prefer to carry my para3 in spy27, but a difference between the steels is hardly noticeable tbh...all great steels! I am talking about edc ofcourse, lol
Im personally diggin my Spy27 Manix. It is easier to maintain then my S30V and S35VN blades that are supposedly cousins of Spy27, also seems to get sharper then both but that may just be compliments of Spydercos blade geometry. I own a 20CV microtech ultratech and M390 ZT 0562ti, i personally dont care for how easily they chip if im not 100% careful not to smack them into staples or other unforgiving objects then i have a big headache trying to take the chips out. Much easier to either have a blade shrug it off like my CPM-M4 PM2 or roll but much more easily be fixed like my Spy27/S30V/S35VN knives.
In my opinion SPY27 is just an upgrade over the standard Spyderco's VG10 steel and could replace it in a close future (for that reason its special name) but not a big one and is under the performances of all the so-called supersteels. By the way, I have other steels as the CPM 20CV in a sprint run Endura and they are in another league: K390, S110V, ZDP189... My only doubt is SPY27 vs S45VN, I don´t have this last but I think it would be just slightly bettter, a little bit.
Interesting. Did all three blades have the same number of edges? The Ritter looks like it may have been sharpened more times than the Manix. Just wondering if all knives have been sharpened down to good steel?
This is an interesting test (I am curios about SPY27 in particular), thank you. But just to state the obvious - there are many variables that user can neither control, nor get a more detailed knowledge of - and that is the HT. The same steel can perform differently even at the same HRC dpending on how it was processed (some of the tests done by Roman Kase are probably the best example) and on top comes whether any damage to the edge happened during grinding of the blade (I guess everyone watching this video has seen as least some of the edge retention tests done by Outpost 76 where some knives needed 10+ sharpening sessions to grind off the overheated part of the cutting edge). So for me this is a test of a knife at given steel rather than a steel alone.
Yea you never know with any knife really. This was just a simple comparison. Mostly to show how spy27 holds up and how similar all these steels will perform in production knives. But they have all been sharpened atleast 5 times before this test was done if that helps.
@@steel2stone You did a great job. At the end of the day - this is what users want to know - how a given knife in a given from a given maker performs, not how the steel would perform under optimal conditions and hand-tuned HT.
@@matusknivesyea its hard to get perfectly treated blades. Id love to do the test again with the same steels with custom heat treatments. It would be very interesting to see the difference. Thanks man
@@steel2stone Think that about sums it up. Seems like a promising steel, just not sure I'd take it over other spyderco offerings at the moment. Not sure you mention the grit finish in the description, just that they're "sharpened and finished to the same grit and angle". I just watched your venev video, and you mentioned you finish most of your test knives on the 400. So, maybe that was the case here too? Cheers
@@PotatoCheese yea man all the test knives are 17 degrees and finished on the f400 grit venev stone or something equivalent to that and stropped on 4 and 1 micron strops. Theyre all usually hair whittling sharp when i start the test with no microbevel. I want them all to be fairly consistent
I have seen some others that have not been very high on how the 20cv on the Ritter performs (theirs may have been soft, I don't recall). How has yours done?
To be fair the spy 27 manix blade geometry is kinda thin and elongated so idk it may not so much be the steel but the blade shape. Theoretically the spy27 has higher cobalt then s30v and 20cv essentially making the spy 27 harder with proper heat treatment spyderco spy27 is supposed to be 62 HRC or slightly greater. So my point is spy27 should have less wear then 20cv and s30v if each blade were identical.
Turning into my new favorite knife channel man!
Glad you're liking the videos brother!
finally a guy that tests his knives,great job
You're going to have a lot more subscribers soon if you keep up the quality content my friend.
Ive got some more tests coming soon brother.
Thank you for the information you provide us nerds with!
I'd like to see S45VN in this same lineup for comparison
Im going to order a usb microscope before long so we can take a closer look at the edges during these tests.
That will def help
I’m definitely itching to get some spy 27. Nice video. Love tests like these
👊 thanks bro.
Thank you for the work here.
Taking one for the team... Thanks for the video 😎👍
Dude you are doing almost exactly the same test I did last year, great video thanks.
Ill have to check that out. I see you've got a lot of videos. Subbed. Thanks for watching.
Which one is it that youre talking about?
@@steel2stone subbed to you too thanks for the upload!:)
@@steel2stone this one: ruclips.net/video/WS675JhwnQY/видео.html
Helpful video again. Thanks!!
How du you check the edge angle? I think a difference of 2 or 3 dps can make a big difference in performance.
All my edges are very close to 17 degrees per side. I usually put them in my lansky to check them after i sharpen. Theyre usually right in between 17 and 20. So its possible they could be id say up to 2 degrees different at most. But these 3 were all very close. Its why i picked these specifically
Man,
The stabbing at 12:12 is so accurate.
Most people would puncture their fingers down to the bone on that close kind of stabbing 😅
Really great video thank you. I think we can all agree that all 3 of these knives now need to be sharpened, makes me question if it’s worth the additional cost of the spy27 or 20cv over s30v....
S30V is better than spy27. The 20cv is above those two and could worth the overprice but not spy27 definitly. It is nothing but the next Spyderco's standard work horse steel with reduced costs. You don't give your name to a foreign steel with questionable availability, I'm sure they are planning to use it extensively very soon.
I own blades with all 3 steels. I prefer to carry my para3 in spy27, but a difference between the steels is hardly noticeable tbh...all great steels!
I am talking about edc ofcourse, lol
Im personally diggin my Spy27 Manix. It is easier to maintain then my S30V and S35VN blades that are supposedly cousins of Spy27, also seems to get sharper then both but that may just be compliments of Spydercos blade geometry. I own a 20CV microtech ultratech and M390 ZT 0562ti, i personally dont care for how easily they chip if im not 100% careful not to smack them into staples or other unforgiving objects then i have a big headache trying to take the chips out. Much easier to either have a blade shrug it off like my CPM-M4 PM2 or roll but much more easily be fixed like my Spy27/S30V/S35VN knives.
Wonderful stuff Brother! Enjoying the videos. From Hawaii
Thank you! 👊
In my opinion SPY27 is just an upgrade over the standard Spyderco's VG10 steel and could replace it in a close future (for that reason its special name) but not a big one and is under the performances of all the so-called supersteels. By the way, I have other steels as the CPM 20CV in a sprint run Endura and they are in another league: K390, S110V, ZDP189...
My only doubt is SPY27 vs S45VN, I don´t have this last but I think it would be just slightly bettter, a little bit.
Just landed here ,, subbed /liked great little channel , keep it up 👍
Interesting. Did all three blades have the same number of edges? The Ritter looks like it may have been sharpened more times than the Manix. Just wondering if all knives have been sharpened down to good steel?
Yea. Check the description.
Oh jeez! Totally missed that! Thanks for not bashing 😊
Stellar!
@@joshuabriggs7114 its all good brother
@@joshuabriggs7114 the ritter thickens up alot towards the tip. But the manix does as well.
What angle are the edges on the 3 blades ?
17
Love my 20cv Delica warncliffe.
what system or process did you use to sharpen these knife, if you don't mind telling?
I think i sharpened all those on the venev f240/f400 stone freehand and then stropped on basswood.
This is an interesting test (I am curios about SPY27 in particular), thank you. But just to state the obvious - there are many variables that user can neither control, nor get a more detailed knowledge of - and that is the HT. The same steel can perform differently even at the same HRC dpending on how it was processed (some of the tests done by Roman Kase are probably the best example) and on top comes whether any damage to the edge happened during grinding of the blade (I guess everyone watching this video has seen as least some of the edge retention tests done by Outpost 76 where some knives needed 10+ sharpening sessions to grind off the overheated part of the cutting edge). So for me this is a test of a knife at given steel rather than a steel alone.
Yea you never know with any knife really. This was just a simple comparison. Mostly to show how spy27 holds up and how similar all these steels will perform in production knives. But they have all been sharpened atleast 5 times before this test was done if that helps.
@@steel2stone You did a great job. At the end of the day - this is what users want to know - how a given knife in a given from a given maker performs, not how the steel would perform under optimal conditions and hand-tuned HT.
@@matusknivesyea its hard to get perfectly treated blades. Id love to do the test again with the same steels with custom heat treatments. It would be very interesting to see the difference. Thanks man
Good point. I pretty much stated the same before reading your comment. I'm not sure if this guy realizes what where saying to be honest.
Nice comparison! What grit did you sharpen the knives to? Also would you say it's worth paying the premium for spy27?
Check the description of the video. I think spy27 is a good steel and so far i like i. But its definitelyý overpriced.
@@steel2stone Think that about sums it up. Seems like a promising steel, just not sure I'd take it over other spyderco offerings at the moment. Not sure you mention the grit finish in the description, just that they're "sharpened and finished to the same grit and angle". I just watched your venev video, and you mentioned you finish most of your test knives on the 400. So, maybe that was the case here too? Cheers
@@PotatoCheese pretty sure i said it in the video. Theyre all finished on a f400 grit venev diamond stone and a 4 and 1 micron strop on basswood
@@PotatoCheese yea man all the test knives are 17 degrees and finished on the f400 grit venev stone or something equivalent to that and stropped on 4 and 1 micron strops. Theyre all usually hair whittling sharp when i start the test with no microbevel. I want them all to be fairly consistent
@@steel2stone Brilliant, great to know. Thanks for the info! I have the little 6x1" venevs and will see what I can do with a 400 grit finish!
I have seen some others that have not been very high on how the 20cv on the Ritter performs (theirs may have been soft, I don't recall). How has yours done?
Mines at 61. Its decent in its edge retention. Not terrible but not anything special. I have however been impressed with its stability at the edge
@@steel2stone Interesting. I own that exact Ritter and have been debating on whether I should keep it or not.
@@801tb i think its probably the best knife you can buy for the money. But ive thought about getting rid of mine to.
So which was the "winner?"
They all performed similarly in the test. The winner is stated at the end of the video.
@@steel2stone Thank you.
To be fair the spy 27 manix blade geometry is kinda thin and elongated so idk it may not so much be the steel but the blade shape. Theoretically the spy27 has higher cobalt then s30v and 20cv essentially making the spy 27 harder with proper heat treatment spyderco spy27 is supposed to be 62 HRC or slightly greater. So my point is spy27 should have less wear then 20cv and s30v if each blade were identical.
Thanks for this
New sub here. Good work. You mentioned another reviewer for SPY27. Please provide a link. Thanks.
Check Outpost76's channel. Hes done some testing on it.
ruclips.net/video/NIKvcP8mEa0/видео.html
Spy27 is much tougher than 20cv.
So basically don’t do any of the things that you just did to any knife steel.
Just get the ritter hogue, its far superior.