Difference between Baptists and Lutherans [Part 1]
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- Опубликовано: 2 янв 2018
- Pastor answers a few questions for a view in this episode:
1. If someone's considering Lutheranism, what should he do?
2. Where do good works fit if we are saved by faith alone?
3. What's the difference between Baptists and Lutherans?
Pastor spends the most time with the final question and outlines two of the six points that He thinks epitomize the difference between Baptists and Lutherans.
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I have grown up baptist and went to a baptist college and am serving with Baptist. I can count on 1 hand the amount of people I have met that believe man is born with the tendency to sin vs the sin nature that you made the distinction on. Most people I know would whole heartedly agree we have a sin nature from the moment of conception.
If so, where does the tendency come from? The are not exclusive but complementary. The sin nature produces a proclivity to sin, a tendency.
Then why delay the child's baptism?
I hope I'm not wrong on this, but the difference at the end of the day doesn't matter, we both are saved.
"By grace, through faith are you saved."
I would say the Lutheran distinctiveness is the belief their pastors speak for God on earth. It is through the pastor that you come into contact with God's grave through the sacraments. Pastors hold the keys to heaven which is for your salvation.
@thethikboy...ELCA IS NOT genuinely Lutheran.
If we saved by Christ alone, how are we saved through baptism. You get baptized because You are saved not to be saved. Apologies if I miss understand. Trying to learn more about Lutheranism..
Hi Shaun. This is a very common quesiton. Baptism saves (1 Peter 3:21) because it gives the forgiveness of sins and the Holy Spirit(Acts 2:38), and regenerates us as children of God (John 3:3,5; Titus 3:5). Baptism is one of the ways God gives us His gifts and the faith which receives those gifts. Check out the following videos if you'd like:
Relationship between Justification, Salvation and Baptism - ruclips.net/video/ELOW3SejxJk/видео.html
Defending Baptismal Regeneration - ruclips.net/video/mUF0HitjYes/видео.html
How is baptism an assurance of salvation? ruclips.net/video/tBYTyiwFto0/видео.html
Whose Work is Baptism? ruclips.net/video/5HBS0Q_EI0k/видео.html
Thank you for the reply.
@@shaunrobertson3828 It is not so much "lutheranism" (even Luther did not want his name used) but instead is the original teachings of the early church. This doctrine is "original Christianity" and is what Luther was trying to get the Church to turn back to - Luther was about turning the Church back and not about changing the doctrine.
Repent and be baptized. How does an infant "repent"?
The same way an adult repents. The Holy Spirit works repentance and faith.
Parents do everything for a child until he learns to provide for himself. Why is Baptism different then?
Sounds like the sbc acidentally teaches imaculate conception of all babys. Glad to have left its membership for lcms.
Given the fundamental differences between the two different denominations, do these differences affect how each denomination views the salvation of people in the other denomination??
Baptists will be saved like everyone else: by faith in Christ. Sadly, many of their false teachings so detract from faith in Christ and lead people to trust in their own merits, such as their decision for Jesus, rather than Jesus' work for them.
@@AskThePastor I would love to hear what the “many false teachings” your referring to are that would “distract” a person from faith in Christ.
@@grind2138 He used the example "make a decision for Christ" but there are many. There are many because the initial orientation, the beginning of evangelicalism basically says that I can reach up to God, that I can "raise my hand if I made a decision FOR Christ." That is the essence of works theology - that I have to do something to "get saved." That is the error.
Here are two decent examples: Christ left the 99 sheep to go look for the lost. The sheep did not ask to be saved; the sheep did not make a decision to be saved. The other is the man set upon by thieves: he was so badly beaten that he could not raise his hand to be saved or "go down to the altar to pray through and get saved." The bottom line is that if I have to do something then I am doing something "to get saved." That is backwards- instead, scripture teaches that "faith comes from hearing ... the Word of God." It does not come from me "making a decision" or "going down the altar every night of a revival week just to make sure I am saved.
Instead, scripture teaches that those who believe and are Baptized "shall" be saved but those who do not believe (even if they are baptized) shall not be saved. So, scripture teaches that belief, that faith in Christ saves us, alone with no action on our part. So, if faith comes from hearing the Word, and thus is placed inside us through our hearing it - then by the time we "raise our hand" or "go down to the altar" we are far behind Christ who has already grabbed us by the heart. Now what? Well, since all I said is true then what it means is that by the time we "raise our hand and make a decision," we are actually trusting Christ. It would be better said if the preacher said, "those who are continuing to trust Christ, raise your hand! Or "those who are going to continue to trust in Christ, come to the altar and let's give thanks!
You have been taught that salvation (faith in Christ) is a gift of God I am sure. That is true. But I can tell you that it is likely that no one has ever gone to their birthday party and looked at all the gifts and decided if they were going to take them or not. Never! Instead, every gift is received and can only be rejected. That is actually what happens when someone hears the Gospel. The gift is inside because faith comes from hearing and all they can do is reject it. Sadly, many do walk away after hearing a good preacher deliver the Gospel and the parable of the sower applies - the devil comes and snatches the faith away from them and they go away rejecting the gift that they were given.
You cannot "accept Jesus into your heart" because as a unsaved sinner you do not own your heart - the devil owns your heart and the only thing that tears it away from the devil is the Gospel. "Faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." From the ear to the heart and from the heart to the lip and from the lip to the life in Christ.
@@AskThePastor Some of us are 1689 BCF folks and I agree there are some many splinters it’s a challenge to define what being a Baptist means
@@AskThePastor I appreciate a lot of your work, but this comment is such a strawman. When Baptist use the phrase "make a decision" it's usually referring to surrendering to preach or giving up a particular sin. Not about salvation. And in the rare occasion thay it is used in reference to salvation, the "decision" they are persuading you to make is to trust in the finished work of Christ. You are arguing semantics here, pastor.
Does involuntary baptism result in remission of sin? Can one be baptized in ignorance or even against ones will, and yet still reap the benefits of remission?
It sounds like you have a specific situation behind your question. Can you be more specific?
@@AskThePastor yes, I’m wondering one can be baptized at the will of another and still reap remission given that they either don’t know or don’t care for the concept themselves. For instance, a death row inmate baptized against his will right before execution.
@@journeyman1272 That helps. Adults shouldn't be baptized against their will. If they're rejecting the gospel then baptism won't do them any good. The gifts would be given, but not used.Check out this video (ruclips.net/video/MOryhzF4oPQ/видео.html), it may help clarify.
@@journeyman1272 A great way to look at this is to read the different ways Baptism is associated with other things in the scripture. Different places say it differently but it means the same, Baptism (Word and water). Examples: "repent and be Baptized for the forgiveness of your sins," "go and Baptize," Baptism now saves you," "those who believe and are Baptized shall be saved," so there are lots of references but they all are about what it does. It does not just do one thing but many things for the believer.
So if you are born sinful then do Lutherans believe children do not go to heaven?
I’m so confused. Would you mind helping me understand why did John baptize people. Wasn’t he a man?
I’m actually asking not being condescending. I know it’s hard to tell in text form 😊
I’d like to add that I was raised Baptist and am currently seeking a church near me. It seems like most of what I believe lines up with what you have said but different emphasis is put on what seem to be trivial things.
I’d like to learn how far God wants me to go with these things and if this is where I’m supposed to be putting my energy. Or if this is my sinful self diverting from the life God has planned for me.
It seems I need a whole lot of 1on1 with this stuff but I’m afraid of going to the wrong person.
Little deep for a RUclips text but where else do you ask this stuff. Each pastor will be biased to his beliefs so my head is spinning.
Thanks for your info I hope every minute spent on this will bring me where I’m supposed to be.
On to part 2 I guess!!
No trouble all. I think the way you're approaching things is great. God's will is that we hold fast to "all things" Christ commanded and taught (Matthew 28:20), and the Holy Spirit commends the Bereans in Acts 17:11 as "more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so."
As far as John's baptism, it was from God. St. John writes in John 1:6, "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John." and in John 1:33 John the Baptist himself says, "I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me. . ." So God sent God to baptize, which was a fulfillment of what the Lord had spoken through Ezekiel and Zechariah about the Lord washing His people with water to give them new hearts. John was the instrument through which God baptized sinners for the remission of sins. Hope this helps!
kev, look for a "confessional lutheran" church - LCMS is an example. They teach from the scripture that God comes to us, not us to Him. Knowing and learning this one point changes my whole theology from arminius calvinist to what scripture actually teaches - we are dead and floating and Christ finds us and gives us life by the Gospel.
The best example of Christ finding us and TAKING us away from the devil is the parable of the lost sheep - the sheep did not raise his paw or go to the altar to pray to be "saved." The Shepherd came and got him.
The other parable is a great one too - the man set upon by thieves. He was beaten almost to death and could not raise his hand or go to the altar to get saved ... someone had to come save him or he was gonna die. Same is true of Christ.
REJOICE! The ONLY reason you know about Jesus is because He decided to come and get you.
Send me a message if you need help finding a confessional LCMS church - be glad to do it. Cheers!
If both parents r baptized, then would they not b able to create without sin?
Because baptism doesn't remove original sin, but forgives it.
Do Lutherans believe that without Baptism, you can’t go to Heaven, or that Baptism is what saves you? I know when you talked about babies being born sinful, so they are Baptized early. That’s what made me think of that question
As an answer to your question I will use the Explanation of the Small Catechism by Concordia Publishing House. It is as follows:
312. Is it possible for an unbaptized person to be save?
Yes. Only unbelief condemns. Before the institution of Baptism, Old Testament believers were saved through faith in the promise of Christ. Those who believe the Gospel and yet die before Baptism are not condemned, because "they have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding Word of God"(1 Peter 1:23) However, faith does not despise what the Lord promises and gives in Baptism. The unbaptized should not delay in receiving Baptism.
Read Luke 23:39-43. Although Christ had not yet instituted Baptism, the thief on the cross was saved through the Word of Christ.
In Luther's Small Catechism in section two on Baptism the question is asked:
What benefits does Baptism give?
It works forgiveness of sins, rescues from death and the devil, and gives eternal salvation to all who believe this, as the words and promises of God declare.
Again it asks: Which are these words and promises of God?
Christ our Lord says in the last chapter of Mark: "whoever believes and is Baptized will be saved but whoever does not believe, will be condemned."(Mark 16:16)
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Are you saying an infant syill born or dies right after birth not baptised goes to hell ?
No I'm not saying that. If the infant is born of unbelieving parents then we don't know. But if born to believing parents who took it to church so the Holy Spirit could work through his means of grace, and those parents and the church commended the child to God with prayer. Then I have no doubt that those children are with the Lord.
Was the thief on the cross baptized?... if not, did he not enter into the kingdom of heaven?
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@Ask The Pastor if we are saved by faith alone, why is baptism needed for salvation?
No thief on cross wasn't baptised as Christ instituted baptism in mathew 28 during his ascension.
@@lukehumes2402 through faith alone we receive the merit of Christ's death and resurrection and by sacraments such as baptism we are regenerated and given holy spirit and remission of sins.
If you are interested to learn what is order of salvation this video might help
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@@lukehumes2402 because Baptism is a command.
What about the book of James where he says Abraham was saved by works?
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@@AskThePastor iv a question u belive in faith alone and bible alone . bible alone cannot be found in scripture now can i ask u the bible says noting unclean gets into heaven the bible also claims. He who has no sin in him has no truth in him. So where do u go since u cant get into heaven . my point is if i say iv no sin in me iv no truth in me . so if i repent my sins will be frogiven. but that still dosint tak away the point of me saying im not a sinner no more its still says you have no truth in you if i say that so if sin cant get into heaven where do i go since i repented and i still cant say theirs no sin in me
@@catholicdefenceandtruthsee1223 Jesus died for our sins, if you ask him into your life, you will have the gift of everlasting life. Asking for forgiveness is a way to ask God to clean everything you did beforehand, and you WILL be forgiven. That doesn't mean you won't sin anymore, but you are still saved. God loves you more than anything, it is impossible to live without sin and Jesus proved it in the wilderness when he got tempted. He didn't not sin in the influence of temptation because he is God in the flesh who cannot sin, but he did feel it.
@@toyrobotarmy3482 brother i love jesus with all my heart and all my soul and im falling but he keeps picking me back up , i am a catholic and i belive he left a church , he said he build hes church he didint leave us a church for noting . he told peter he will build hes church . he said at cross behold ur mother .he told us this body this is hes blood . he told us eat or we have no life in us and since you my brother speak of the temptstion he told satan you shall not live on bread alone but by everyword that comes from the mouth of god . and every word brother means everyword not some and thats why im catholic because i belive everyword
@@toyrobotarmy3482 please read all of John six the words that u speak you, they are spirit and They are life,
the flesh Prophets nothing
Are you LCMS or ELCA? Just curious?
I am unaffiliated.
@@AskThePastor since when? I heard that as a rumor this morning in the live chat on "Fighting for the Faith"
Ezekiel 18 makes it crystal clear that we are NOT born under God’s condemnation.
what verse?
@@jefflinahan5853 twenty
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Do miscarriages and aborted souls go to heaven or hell? Do children who die before they commit a sin go to heaven or hell? 😇😎
Why are there any differences in doctrines between these two denominations and in fact between other Christian churches as they are supposed to be following the teachings of the bible and guided by that
by God. They are all most probably wrong
One follows scripture and the other follows politics.
The correct Question to ask is "do I follow the Bible"? Not worrying about what others do.
Everyone is a sinner, even Christians. Even Christians who do not know they are not following the Bible are sinners. You and me are sinners. So, the best Question to ask is "what do I do now that I have heard about Christ and that I need Him in my life"?
Go talk to a LCMS pastor and you'll get a straight answer.
@Johnny Rep True
Genuinely Lutheran? Like ELCA?
LOL. Not exactly. Check this out: ruclips.net/video/S8_Da7xuDOo/видео.html
I don’t think ELCA is genuinely Christian
Elca is not Lutheran anymore...confessional Lutheran is real Lutheran....WELS, ELS, AALC, ELDONA and LCMS is where you go......Avoid elca and also NALC and LCMC
@@Dilley_G45 ELCA is not Christian anymore - they are a political church not a Christian church.
@@rukusfan1387 not even a church anymore
Ask the Pastor.
There's no such Biblical thing as baptismal regeneration, the Bible and the Biblical Greek proves that water baptismal doesn't save or regenerate.
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@@AskThePastor you are wrong, and the Bible and the Biblical Greek proves it.
Nowhere does the Bible teach baptismal regeneration or infant baptism.
God's M.O. is, first hear and believe the gospel, then choose to believe it, then choose to be born again (Saved), then choose to be baptized. Infants can't do any of those things.
Every Greek meaning for baptism is by total immersion.
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@@AskThePastor show me where the Bible says you can baptize infants.
Matthew 28:19. All nations includes infants.
One of the very few churches that are faithful to the gospel is John McArthur church it maybe Baptist but not where it comes to a major teaching that is, God is sovereign over all in the salvation work of God in the saving of men and woman least any man should boast Eph.2:8-9 this is where the Lutheran differ they still hold to a works gospel if they believe it is up to man when he or she is to be saved.