I'm British but the Home Office made me stateless
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- Опубликовано: 17 июл 2023
- I've never left the UK but the Home Office made me stateless
Angela Jones is British, her parents were British, she was born in the UK, and she's never even left the country.
So why isn't that good enough for the Home Office?
Ed Campbell went to find out.
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The Home Office have effectively made her a refugee in her own country.
What a crazy situation.
Next step - she will be deported to Rwanda. Home Office at its finest.
Legally her home country is Malawi.
@@MichaelGGarry obviously not
@@MichaelGGarry NO it isnt. clearly theres nothing between your ears in fact im not sure your ears themselves work
@@MichaelGGarry shes 100% British....
The sad truth here is there are people working in the home office who are not only incompetent, but clearly have no moral backbone.
They know what they are doing is wrong, but they simply don't care.
They are what every totalitarian system in the making needs, what it can not do without, add to that a citizenry that stands by and watches it happen and voila, welcome to Britain.
She’s being discriminated against by a home office Karen.
@@Parrotting has zero to do with discrimination.
@@vegasmike hi Karen
@@vegasmike none of us know the motive it could be discrimination, it could not be. We don't know 🤷♂
That's civil servants ABUSING their power and not applying the rules fairly and without prejudice....
Should have done this to the Islamic immigrants instead of thus girl
@@whitewhite4462how come?
@@hks-lion yesterday 2 football fans in Sweden were shot by a warrior of Allah (perpetrator recorded the video and claimed as warrior ) , a teacher in Paris of Russian chechnya muslim stabbed a random person just because he was angry of Palestine conflict, people don't wanna risk getting migrants inside anymore.
@@whitewhite4462 how many murders are committed by white atheist men each day?
Black axe gang member 😂😂😂 F them freeloaders
Honestly, the person who rejected her application must be investigated for racism and discriminating behavior.
Oh the race card, well done!
They followed the rules very literally, which are very clear. British nationality rules are incredibly complicated. For certain people born at a certain time or place it only applies if their father, for example, was a citizen. Also Empire citizens (British subjects) could at one point live anywhere in the empire but when rules were changed some of these were either reclassified or deported which made matters very tricky.
Spike Milligan, for example, was one such person. He was born in India in 1918 and was a British Subject until 1960 when they changed the rules and he was refused a British Citizen passport. He became stateless until 1962 when he gained Irish citizenship as his father was Irish, and remained only Irish until his death in 2002 (rules then and now give Irish citizens settled status, an effective direct continuation of the Empire citizen rules).
Nah sounds like a massive mistake due to wrong data...
What if the person was implementing the regulations, also was black would they be racist also. But anyway a bit of common sense from the passport office. Your heart goes out too her.
What a lovely person and for her to be treated so horribly wrong by the state makes your blood boil.
She isn’t stateless, she has citizenship from Malawi, which means she can’t apply for citizenship as a stateless person.
She was born during the January 1983 - July 2006 period, out of wedlock to a British father and a foreign mother, which means she doesn’t even need to apply, she can just register.
This girl and 99.8% of people in this comment section don’t even understand how citizenship works. Like, citizenship is such an important topic, your life depends on it; so why is this not taught in schools?
@@KirparamKaiwai 3:12 - 3:17
^ proof that she was born out of wedlock.
+ I am from the UK, how do you know 100% that I’m not? Who wait you don’t, you’re just speaking out of your arse.
Can't tell if we watched the same video. She explicitly said that she doesn't have citizenship from Malawi. Being a decent human being doesn't cost a thing.
@@agarjakendu She also said her mom and from Malawi and wasn’t a British citizen. According to the Malawian nationality law, that would make her a Malawian citizen.
Also it has nothing to do with being a decent human being. You can’t have a passport without first having citizenship. She is eligible to register as a British citizen, she just doesn’t know it.
@@agarjakendubeing a decent human being is the reason why europe is full of terror murder and rape. so why not concentrate on you and your people's behavior towards those who have opened their doors and given you all the opportunities in the world! decency!? 🖕
This government makes me sick to the stomach.
She looks African to me.
@@jonmould2946- you look Greek to me.
Sounds like incompetence at the home office to me. Don't worry, their union just won them a pay rise. Perhaps that will increase their competence.
@@jonmould2946. What have looks to do with this. Listen to her voice.
Its not just this government, this is a very old policy, it’s just that previously they didn’t go around with megaphones and threatening letters saying go home.
How ridiculous! This country has well and truly lost its way!
It’s better than it was. I dealt with these issues in 1993. Her parents failed. When I was in Japan in the 00s the foreign people whose babies were born there didn’t assume citizenship in either country. Of course every birth requires paperwork. Her parents were negligent.
Oh you think only now it has?
Country was fucked years ago.
O meu filho também nasceu aqui e está na mesma situação 🤦♀️ e disseram que tem que fazer o teste sendo que tida vida estudou aqui tem tudo affff hipocrisia total
Sorry, she's not British. She is African. Needs to go back there. Only white people can be British.
This is shocking she is a British citizen and she should sue the government, her life is on hold because of this, I hope she gets justice and sort this out
She isn't a British citizen. Didn't you watch the video at all? Her not being a citizen is the problem.
'It doesn't make sense' - that sums up the Home Office pretty well. It's time to end this hostile environment and this government that is hostile to all decency.
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if she had more money or blond hair, she would be better off!
unfortunately it does make sense, she didn't get UK citizenship from her mother, as her mother wasn't a UK citizen at the time of her birth, and her mother and father wasn't married at the time of her birth, so she doesn't get UK citizenship from her father.
The irony is that we have a huge pension time bomb and the easiest and quickest way to fix it is for immigrants to get jobs and start paying taxes. In the UK there just aren't enough babies being born to pay for an ageing population. The government must create the infrastructure so that people can afford to live where the jobs are.
@@johng.1703And her brother? How does that make sense? 🤔
Hi Angela. I'm sorry you're going through this. Please go online and search for a form called "UKF for British citizenship". You can fill out this form to register as a british citizen since your father was British when you were born. The UKF citizenship route is for anyone who falls within this situation:
- You would have become a British citizen (if your parents had been married) if: You were born in the UK on or after 1 January 1983 and your father was a British citizen or settled in the UK at the time of the birth
If this is your situation, then you can send an application to UKVI using the UKF form which you can get online or you can make an online application and submit documents to support your claim.
The application fee is just £80 and the application process lasts 6 months, involving interviews a lot of identity evidence. It also involves biometric capturing.
I hope this helps.
I wish you luck with the process if you are finally able to apply.
Props for the helpful comment, I hope this process works for those born before July 2021 (parents had to have been married) whose father was a british citizen at the time of their birth. I think it's ridiculous that we have different laws on citizenship for people depending on when they were born. We ought to just streamline the law so it applies retroactively and allows those who's parents weren't married at the time of child's birth to still be granted citizenship if at least one parent is a British citizen, y'know.
@@jacovichstabs841 Children born by July 2021 to British fathers should have automatically been British at birth regardless of whether or not the child's parents were married at the time of their birth. The UKF citizenship route covers the period between January 1983 and July 2006.
@@Essorvivace Yeah, I guess I just don't understand why we have this tiered system. Surely the law should apply equally and retroactively. I feel it needs to be streamlined to avoid causing people to have to go through these expensive and time consuming hurdles.
That 1982 amendment to nationality law only says ".......one parent is BC or is settled in the UK". It does not say anything about the parents being married and the description "settled in the UK" needs to be looked at in detail. Also, more information is needed, eg where was the father born or how and when did he get BC, where was the mother born and how and when did she get BC plus the parent(s) immigration status from the time they left their first country to when they got BC.
@@mohabatkhanmalak1161 Thanks, but in Angela's case, the British citizenship status of her father was not in doubt at the time of her birth and I would like to think the UK Home Office must certainly have passed his citizenship application under the kind of scrutiny that would normally involve the kind of research into his background, origin and identity that you have described, before granting him British citizenship. Therefore, that's not left for Angela to deal with. Also, Angela's brother was issued a British passport without issues, having applied just like Angela did and that is because he, like Angela was born in the UK but unlike Angela, must have been born after their mum had gained British citizenship, thus leaving Angela's right to automatic British citizenship by birth in the UK hanging on Angela's father's British citizenship. If Angela was born after their mum had gained British citizenship, she most certainly would have acquired British citizenship at birth through her mum, just like her brother did. But that was not the case. Angela then falls under children born (in or outside of the UK) to British fathers who were not married to their mothers at the time of their birth, between January 1983 and July 2006. These children could not be considered British citizens by descent automatically, due to the UK nationality laws that required their parents to have been legally married before they can have the right to claim British citizenship automatically at birth. Fortunately, the Home Office have, since 2015, now considered these sets of children as British citizens in retrospect (under article 4G of UK nationality laws as amended in April 2015), which has now opened the UKF citizenship route to this category of children, under which Angela falls. The difference between children born within that period whose parents were legally married and those whose parents were not, is that the former were automatically considered British citizens by descent and would therefore be eligible to apply directly for a British passport, while the latter are now being required since 2015 to apply for British citizenship by registration through the UKF route, and pay a token application fee, in order to gain British citizenship before they can apply for a British passport. I hope this helps.
When I was born neither of my parents where British citizens, my dad not even European but I was allowed a passport because back then it was the law that if you’re born here you’re automatically a citizen. One year after my brother was born they changed the law. Im very thankful my parents where on top of it or this would have been me. It’s so important to make sure your children are properly documented!
Yes, but this doesn't always work, people who've had passports for years and are just trying to renew can end up in similar situations.
If a tourist gives birth in another country the child will get their parents citizenship. So it was a good change.
Sorry, she's not British. She is African. Needs to go back there. Only white people can be British.
I would love to see an update on this. The fact an application can fall on an individual's interpretation of the law is terrifying. More so that she doesn't appear to be able to appeal their decision.
this is shocking. she needs to sue the government under the human rights act!
With what mobey for lawyers? I wish suing was easy the world would be a fairer place
Better still,she should run in the next election against Cruella in her constituency, and boot her out on her a**.... that would be poetic justice. Slogan "you won't let me leave...I made you leave". On Angela's career "break a 🦵".
The government see her as from Malawi though, it’s like as if her parents had a working visa. It’s wrong but legal.
@@GanghisKhanould find someone to do it pro bono! Test case and all that.
@@y_fforddIt's bollocks. If you're born in the UK, you're British. Period!!
Two words: Hostile Environment.
Theresa May has a lot to answer for.
It’s been standard Tory policy since Churchill, Labour hasn’t done anything to address when they were in power, they fear losing the white supremacy vote
Conservatives let in 1 million immigrants just last year
@@evolassunglasses4673 and?
Four words - Law of the Land.
It was the law long before Theresa May.
@@MichaelGGarry one word: bollocks
The UK stopped birthright citizenship in the early 80s. I don't think the mom was a UK citizen when this girl was born.
Her father was, but apparently that is not enough.
If a dog is born in a Stables it doesn't make it a horse.
Braverman, Sunak and Patel families certainly took advantage of our generosity, pulling up the drawbridge and burning the ladders now though. Sick.
A special kind of sick, like sadistic level governing
Immigration is international finance capitalism importing an OVER SUPPLY of labour in, which is a race to the bottom particularly for the working class. No economy will invest in training or increase pay and conditions if it can just fly in labour. Oligarchs love immigration. Back in the day the Left understood this, even Bernie Sanders was anti immigration.
Conservatives love mass immigration as its cheap labour and future consumers for capitalism. That's why they let 1 million in last year.
Capitalism importing an OVER SUPPLY of labour in is a race to the bottom, particularly for the working class.
@@The-Anti-ZionistTorys let 1 million in last year. Drags down wages.
@@evolassunglasses4673 the Tories keep wages low like by paying nurses shoddy wages so our nurses move to Australia and we import foreign nurses. Be teachers next. We do need immigration but the Brexit hard right way to go about things is absolutely the wrong way.
Thank you, Theresa May, this woman's problems can be laid at your door. Aided and abetted by the plethora of Home Secretaries who've followed her example. 😐
She's fucking British! FFFS!?!
There's no right of appeal? How fucking convenient! 🔥👿🔥
Indeed, never forget what that woman did to many citizens of this country and the world
I did not know it was May who did this. Even if it was her, the blame lies on the entire Conservative Party because of how it's gone from no deal Brexit to Rwanda immigration bill lunacy.
You think the Tory,s give a fig. This is what they wanted. There are not stupid and have created this as part of there long term plan of hate to control divide and rule. I can't tell you how much I detest them.
Same happened to my older sister and you know what’s crazy is that I was entitled to citizenship and got a passport but my sister applied for a passport and they rejected it, said she’s stateless! She had to prove she’s from uk and grew up here etc! But she’s been voting and had credit in uk. Eventually she passed the citizenship test 🤦🏾♀️ and we went to the ceremony with immigrants it was soo strange because they were all surprised she had a British accent and now she has a passport!
If a tourist gives birth in another country the child will not get citizenship of that country, you get your parents citizenship. So blame your parents.
@@magnusE7 Depends on the country. Not everywhere has the same laws. In the USA for a long time it was as you say, here it wasn't. People get this wrong all the time.
Sorry, she's not British. She is African. Needs to go back there. Only white people can be British.
@CME77 not true in every country and also not true if you are born on an ocean liner as the child would assume the sovereignty of the nationality of the company that owns the ship
Her mum was not British citizen and did not settle in the UK (no leave to remain visa) when this girl was born. Her mother applied for citizenship later. Therefore the daughter is not a citizen automatically, and she needs to reapply properly.
This is total shit once you born in a country you are a citizen even if your mother was a citizen of another country....the point is the child was born in the country
Neither this government nor the Home Office are fit for purpose. Unless that purpose is to divide society for the benefit if their puppeteers.
totally agree
Spot on
Absolutely, this government love seeing people suffer, especially the poorer amongst us, they are vile! 😡
It's not a matter of the HO or the government, it's your legislation. She isn't a citizen, unfortunately.
Anyone who supports even the slightest restriction of immigration is in favour of dividing society.
This had me shook. Exact same thing happened to me a decade ago and it's so scary that this is still happening...
Born in England. Lived here my whole life, never stepped foot outside the country.
Both parents were originally from Ghana. One had citizenship at my birth, the other got it later.
The Home Office still said I was stateless when I applied for a passport.
Had to pay thousands to get naturalised; it put us in debt for years.
Very indicative of Britain's attitude to us as a whole.
My heart goes out to you hun 💜
Question. Were you denied Ghanian citizenship, too?
home office are keeping blacks out.
@@tecumseh4095 I've never applied for it. Never been to Ghana either though I'm hoping to change that soon.
@@MrWolff__ We should stay out a build up our original country, see how long they can survive without us black ppl
(Edit) we pay to much to stay here the home office are the biggest Scanners in the world
If one parent had citizenship at your time of birth then I really don’t understand why they made you stateless, but very glad you’ve manage to sort it out.
I’m so sorry to hear about that. The UK government is really messed up right now and we need change for the system.
We need a Labour government. None of this cruelty would occur like the tories are doing.
@@PrototypeFreak89 Labour is the new Tory.
@@Charles-sg9zu All brexitards say the same 💩 because they are paranoid that if Labour gets in, they will take us in the eu where we do belong with are neighbors. No, Labour are not Tories and you're just talking rubbish.
My father is handicapped and had his benefits scrapped because of Tories and stupid brexiteers that are to blame. Under Labour he would be safe.
Insane how Braverman has a passport and this woman doesn't. One of the most evil people to ever serve in government.
My sister was a true blue Tory, moved here at 2 weeks old from Uganda in ‘70, much like Priti Patel or Suella. Last year she went to renew her passport and they refused her and threatened her with deportation. When she called to HO to find out why, they refused to talk to her, and it was up to her white partner to call and then they spoke with any respect to her. They only apologised to her partner and not to her and she managed to sort it out eventually. She’s finally realised that she can’t vote for Tory or any of these right wing parties.
Bunch of racists!
Shame on her. Little coconut 🥥😅
I’m glad she saw the light, it’s a shame it took that, though!
@@pexijsanchezshame on YOU. Don't 'fight' alleged prejudice with prejudice. You are not the arbiter of how people of colour should feel and act. Drop the 'coconut' shit.
How come she was issued a passport before without trouble? The relevant legislative environment hasn't changed
The Home Office has been dysfunctional since 2010. The people I know who work there absolutely hate it. It's utterly inhumane and despicable
This is what immigration restriction means in practice. 100% of people to the nearest percent support some significant degree of immigration restriction, even though even the slightest immigration restriction leads to cruelty and economic harm.
@@YorickReturns no, this is not an inevitable consequence of immigration restriction.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich Of course, it is. There is no "humane" way to violate freedom. But people want the impossible. If you don't want a "hostile environment", you want de facto open immigration, in which case we might as well have de jure open immigration (which I certainly would want).
@YorickReturns no, "hostile environment" is not a prerequisite for immigration restriction. Either you don't know what it means or you have misunderstood its history
@@thegreenmanofnorwich Someone comes here illegally. What do you want to happen? If you want them to be allowed to stay, de facto there is no immigration restriction.
I want the law to be changed, so there are no immigration restrictions. So I don't have this problem.
Being born here doesn’t make you British if your parents are not and haven’t applied for you to be British. Sadly many countries in the world are like this and people are clueless about this
You sound like a lil bit racist, her brother got it so why they refused to give her?? Isn’t that a red flag to you??
True you take your parents status she has to get a immigration lawyer to assist her problem she is doing it on her own cause she feels she was born here .Only solicitors can help her
She needs to see an immigration lawyer. She can apply for citizenship under the 10 year rule applicable to those born in the UK and spent the first 10 years of their life in the UK.
Can we make Suella Braverman stateless?
YES!!!!
Oh please, let the answer include a one way ticket to Rwanda.
🤣😂Yes please!🤣😂😆
@@bernieburrows3731 Yeah, the land of milk and honey?
Send her back to India!!
This is a DISGRACE. They are taking advantage of an orphaned person. She needs a good lawyer, please step up.
No she doesn't, she just needs to apply for UK citizenship, which she will get, then she can have a passport. The rules are weird but those are the rules.
@@Kerynasta What makes you think she is entitled to UK citizenship under the current HO rules?
I suggest a lawyer best be in charge of her case, incase they deny her citizenship, claim she is here illegally - and try and deport her.
Its the Law of the LAND! It has been the law for a VERY LONG TIME.
@@jackgillies5638 because she's been here for a long time (assuming she's been here twenty years she's absolutely entitled to citizenship, I thought it was five but apparently it's twenty at worst.) That's the rules.
@@Kerynasta OK fair enough. Be interesting to find out how it goes.
I’m so sorry you have had to go through this. Keep going and do not give up. I’m praying 🙏🏾 that it will all work in your favour.
Give this lady her passport!! This is shameful!! Home office do the right thing and Apologize!!!
See also the Home Secretary’s Asian parents both born in third countries and who, presumably, have been awarded British Passports.
Reflecting the truly English principle “I’m all right Jack, pull up the drawbridge.”
Yeh as she has travelled abroad she already has a passport, either because she got lucky in her application or her wealthy parents applied for citizenship. Its fucked up.
Suella Braverman's parents are Both Economic Migrants By Her Definition! and would be Deported Today She is a complete Hypocrite And So is the PM whose Parents are The Same Economic Migrants!
Well yes but if they've lived in the UK for 5 years and applied for citizenship then they're entitled to the passports just like anyone else. Them's the rules...
@@Kerynasta at the moment.
Let’s see what the future brings when Sue-Ellen’s Warr-on-Sea “Ultimate Answer” Conference bring forth its propositions for her next illegal bill.
These laws were implemented decades ago, but I guess it's all Tories fault.
I really sympathise with her, as someone who has been fighting my case against the home office for over 10 years and recently got successful decision, I really hope her situation gets sorted out soon so she can pursue her dreams and career.
Same here, 8 years, only granted in January, then two weeks after receiving I was already working
@@werdna2602 I’m soo happy for you and glad to hear that you are now working. You can now look forward to the future and don’t look back. Wish you all the best for your future endeavours. 🙏🏿
@@werdna2602that's good. You cannot do anything in this country without legal documents
My family is going through the same. We are 4, me and my sister were successful, my two young brothers were denied. Were to apply for citizenships despite being born here too. They did, we paid thousands but 3 years later we still yet to get a response because apparently background checks take time and of course covid disruptions
This is madness! I really hope the young lady can get it sorted. It’s also a life lesson for the rest of us, if your parents, grandparents or great grandparents emigrated - get your passport sorted asap!
In my family my elders and now our generations have always tried to get our children’s passports asap after they are born.
My grandparents moved to the UK after WW2 as they were soldiers in the British Indian Army and were offered passports as part of the UK’s effort to increase the working population after WW2.
Passport Office had done me the same! Born here in 1988 to parents who had naturalised in the 70s, lived here all my life, been through the full educational system, spent 10 years working for the NHS etc. and they refused to give me a British passport until 2015 because they refused to believe I was a British Citizen... missed out on family trips, lads holidays and allsorts... bare in mind I have a National Insurance card, pay National Insurance and everything lol.
I would advise reaching out to the Home Office as them and the Passport Office do not communicate with each other at all. The Home Office will be the ones to issue you a letter, confirming your nationality, which you need to give to the Passport Office. They also offered my family a full refund of all the money we put in to applications, legal fees etc because they realised how much of a fuck up they made on my case.
Best of luck to you sis!
That was horrible. It's like they don't want us to stay in this country.
Once i got to the national insurance part i couldn’t believe it lmao. Thats crazy bro i hope it works out for you
@@riyadougla539this is nothing new. Sadly there have been many examples of this. The Windrush scandal is a big example.
The cut off for automatic citizenship ended in 1982 during Margaret Thatcher's reign. If you are not ethnically British the burden of proof is on you. Your mother should make sure you get a passport while she is alive. Makes things easier.
That examiner needs sacking.
A friend of mine was born 3 days before the 2001 rule that stated that your parents had to be married for you to get British Citizenship. Her dad was British and her mom was Spanish, but she was not entitled and had to pay citizenship fees.
The problem here is that it seems this girl, 99.9% of people in this comment section, and her parents don’t under the British nationality law.
She was probably born during the January 1983 - July 2006 time period. If that was the case, you would be a British citizen if:
1. You were born in the UK to a British mother
2. You were born in the UK [in Wedlock] to a British father
3. You were born in the UK to a foreign mother, who is a resident with ‘Settled Status’
4. You were born in the UK [in Wedlock] to a foreign father, who is a resident with ‘Settled Status’
5. You were born abroad to a British mother, otherwise by descent
6. You were born abroad [in Wedlock] to a British father, otherwise by descent
You could apply to register as a British citizen before turning 18 if:
- You were born in the UK out of wedlock to a British father and a foreign mother, with permission from parents until you were 17 (you can apply or register for British citizenship without permission at this age).
- You were born abroad out of wedlock, to a British father (otherwise by descent) and a foreign mother (or a British mother by descent).
In 2015, the government announced that you could even register (if this applies to you) after you were 18. This girl in the video is also eligible.
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If you were born after July 2006 to present (I’m writing this on 1 October 2023), then you are a British citizen if:
1. You were born in the UK to at least one British parent
2. You were born in the UK to a foreign parent, who is a resident with ‘Settled Status’
3. You were born in the UK to an Irish parent, who is a resident (even if they don’t have Settled Status)
4. You were born in the UK to a foreign parent, who serves the British Armed Forces
5. You were born abroad to a British parent, otherwise by descent.
I really hope this helps. Please like/upvote this comment so everyone gets a chance to read it and understand the British Nationality Law.
I hate the fact this is happening to people, our Government should be ashamed of themselves and helping people like Angela out instead of doubling down on the xenophobia, bigotry and racism they have festered in this country of the last few years.
It’s ordinary day to day people that are suffering the consequences for the actions and incompetence of others which is scandalous
When we black ppl complain about these things we're told that we have Chip-on Our-Shoulder🤔
@georgecromar4094 you only get called that by bigots and hate goblins, who've got a chip on their shoulder. They're very angry people, and are furious about everything, all of the time. It must be exhausting, which is probably why they're so grumpy.
@@b62boom1 I agree, The whole situation is a mess and we've let hateful people spread this hate for far too long already, it needs to be stopped.
Its the law! Its been the law for DECADES. Peoples ignorance of the law is no defence - this poor woman should have been Malawi, not British, at birth. Not her fault at all, but her mother should have applied for her children at the same time she did for herself. Thats how it works!
Let's petition and save this lady from this horrible gvt!!!!!
Nah. Let's chuck her out for lying
@@dinodinosaur3936😂why you anonymous? Say that in public so we know who you are and you'll loose your bank ACC too.
Home office try to reduce the number of UK passport holders due to the system abuse as most non-Uk nations later attend religious demonstrations on the streets and there are hardly any actual Britons left in the country. I see home office being very strict with refugees too. Times have changed that’s how I understand it.
This is insane bureaucracy. She wasn't even given the chance to discover her Malawi status or 'denounce' Malawi citizenship. She may not realise that she is probably a Malawi citizen by birth. I discovered I am an Irish citizen by birth because of my mum and our sons are also NZ citizens by birth because of my husband. We had not realised either and only found out at the time there was a dual citizenship debacle with some of our politicians.
Meanwhile, my son who had only been in the UK on holiday with us twice as a child, got a UK passport without any issue, lives there and comes and goes as he pleases, because I was born there (but grew up and continue to live overseas ).
Complete and utter madness.
You and your family should apply for every passport for which you qualify. They are a good Plan B if you ever need them.
What a shambles. I feel so sorry for her. I hope you can follow this up to see if it gets resolved. Has she written to her local MP?
Her local MP (probably Tory), will tell her they are only able to represent Citizens.
Might be worth a try..
😂😂😂
All she needs to do is formally apply for UK citizenship which she will get, and then she can get the passport. Yes it's bullshit but those are the rules and have been for a while. The UK does not have a rule whereby you get citizenship just by being born here.
They don't bother to respond in most instances
Her brother got the passport but not her? How is that making any sense here?
An overworked passport office made a mistake, her brother got lucky, fucked up
@@y_ffordd A mistake which cost her citizenship, that’s a pretty big mistake to make.
or her mother may have passed the threshold for the required change in status, e.g. from temporary to permanent resident. there are children of eu citizens, now legally settled in uk, who aren't automatically British either cos the status of parent at time of their birth matter.
@@mattwhite4971 No, her mother cost her her citizenship. It looks like her brother should have been refused too, correctly under the law.
Brother is younger & born after 82, or perhaps has a different father? Neither were explained yet either one would make sence.
HTH
How very strange…to think this is a common occurrence. So heartbreaking. I do hope this gets sorted, and the right people see this to help her.
God bless this lovely lady! I pray that everything she works out for her. Suella should be ashamed of herself ❤❤.
This isn’t just the home office, there is a culture of blame & evading responsibility endemic within uk bureaucracy. Any mistake made is immediately blamed on the victim of that mistake & misinformation is denied to the hilt with each department covering for the next. These are aspects of a fascisized bureaucratic system & the primary cause of “the mental health crisis” I have been documenting my experiences over the past 5 years & have a wealth of evidence showing the deliberate evasion tactics, consistent & standardised gas-lighting, contempt, disdain & general mental abuse from every institution you can think of from private corporations to GP Practises to Councils & even MPs offices. Ive been documenting this in Scotland so it makes no difference where you are in the uk but financial & professional position within the social hierarchy does. Complaint procedures are worthless as are ombudsman. They exist only to present the illusion of concern but unless you have a favourable financial or professional position you will be subjected to a mental maze of bureaucracy & dehumanisation. This is Fascist UK, all we can do is document it for posterity so perhaps future generations can be protected from this evil.
Good on you for having the organisational gumption to document it all. Someday that could be valuable for something. I certainly can recognise bits of what you detail here in my own experiences. To say the bureaucracy has been fascisized... what a perfect way to put it, honestly. Puts me in mind of the time I went out to one of the cheaper supermarkets and saw a billboard advertisement right outside it, depicting a realistically-drawn man's head getting crushed in a giant vise, and this was to "remind" people to make sure their benefits are up to date. I had to turn around and immediately go home, with what that did to my mental health. On top of everything else, what an absolutely deliberate attempt to invoke misery (that worked). Thought to myself, I work so hard to avoid "unalivement" (gah I hate that term but youtube is youtube and you can't say the proper one). But this government? They're just telling me to go ahead and bloody do it. That's what that is right there, after everything else. I couldn't go in that area again without covering my eyes until I was sure that ad was gone. And even way back then (during Cameron) everyone already knew that none of those battles needed fighting whatsoever; universal payment had been shown to be significantly less expensive than the whole entire thing. You knew that and you'd been through all those fights and you knew it wasn't even an unusual number of fights and it wore you down and then you saw a damn insult, a damn taunt, like that.
If it weren't for all this I'd still have significant mental health issues for other reasons, but they'd definitely be less numerous and less sharp to a significant degree. You're spot on. It's mental abuse. "Oh our departments don't talk to each other" the number of times I've heard that - why the heck not? No possible reason aside from wanting to cause problems. It's not even the mere absence of systems design for why things work how they work, it's more like the presence of designed sabotage. These people are pure unforgivable evil.
@@Torthrodhel Why can't you say the S word because that's what it is .I''ve just tried to Google the S word and the site blocks it, Insane .Can we still say lavatory or is that also banned!
@@Torthrodhel thanks for the reply! The only reason I came into the world was because my great uncle helped to liberated my Dutch Fathers family from occupation after The Hunger Winter in the Netherlands. The 1st meal I learned to cook was Pea & Ham soup which was all they had to live on for an entire year. Him & my Opa (Dutch Grandfather) became life long friends which is how my mother & father met. The damage that Nazism did to my Dutch family (& father who’s earliest memories were of being starved) was profound & visible. They were so damaged & tormented by it the topic of fascism has always been very real for me. I grew up learning & reading about fascism & spoke with people who experienced it 1st hand. The thing that terrified them the most & the excuse that many Nazis gave at the Nuremberg trials was “it was the machine” meaning the bureaucracy. This is how fascism comes into being, through a process of dehumanisation & violence through administration. From Umberto Eco to most recently Dan Gretton I have read extensive texts on the phenomenon so I speak from an authoritative position on the subject so it is not a hyperbolic use of the term & I fully intend to write about it from the UK perspective as others have done historically from the German, Italian, Spanish , Portuguese & Chilean perspectives as each manifestation shares as many different traits as those in common (one of my closest friends is Portuguese & his family also suffered under Salazar’s so called Soft Fascism).
We must reassure people it is not them that is going mad, it is a natural reaction to the break down of civil society & the phenomenon of fascism which draws upon aspects of left & right politics but is in fact anti-political & draws out what Theodor Adorno identifies as “The Authoritarian Personality”. During this time we must be cautious & suspicious of anyone who holds, or is close to power. Stay well my friend & stay healthy as much as you can, we’ll need all our strength to survive this. Kindness & mutual aid are our only weapons! Solidarity to you & your loved ones ✊
@@noramartin96 it's ridiculous and horrible to not be able to say the proper word for it, and it's just because advertisers don't like it. Sometimes I see it, but I do know posts get stealth-hid, and the words youtube doesn't like are the ones that can do that, and you never know whether it happened or not, so these days I just try my best to avoid them. Makes it extra awkward to talk about something that's already extra awkward to talk about.
@@davidmacaart953 solidarity back to you in return. That's a really interesting perspective, whereas I'm more coming from a place of only having learned about it through cultural osmosis, until the point where I recognised the government resembling it more and more, which I'd guess to be a more typical angle.
I am of the personal opinion of top-down control being important, the difference being "for what" and the political compass puts me halfway up the "authoritarian" scale although I think that test is very flawed honestly (far on the left, on the other axis). I'm not fully convinced fascism takes so evenly from either side, although that's obviously my own bias talking (and much less informed than yours). Maybe I've been sufficiently ground down to think of rightist ideals as necessarily villainous, by example. I can't really fathom what another example would be, though. It all seems to boil down to the essential idea of some people being above and beyond others by virtue of naught but arbitrary selection. I just can't chime with that, it seems to be the very seed of evil. I still think a system needs enforcing in order to not just instantly be overtaken by a different system. My thing is it should be a good system with design and purpose behind it, and absent of obscurity.
I dunno. I could be an idiot with this sort of stuff, who knows. It's not anything I'll ever have a say in anyway. Should a call come to stand up for what's right in whatever capacity I'm able, I'll do my duty. Elsewise I'll just try and leave the world better than it would've been without me in it.
The Uk passport office states that any child born after 1982 will take their mothers nationality. Therefore if your mother did not have a British Citizenship when you were born, you won’t be British regardless of whether you were born here.
REALLY since when, I never knew that. I was born into 75 my parents and parents came to England to help fight Hitler from Caribbean built the country up but that was Antigua St John West indies which essentially belonged to Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth. The whole thing is weird
@@lloydfrancis9149 I believe this change came under Margaret Thatcher.
@@lloydfrancis9149 since approximately 1992. I remember it distinctly
The UK is no longer English, but a mixture of fifty shades of brown. What a sad situation, that in the near future the UK culture will disappear. I have visited London and certain neighbourhoods look like 3rd world countries.
No point blaming the home office it’s her mothers fault not going through the right procedure
No person has ever had control of where they were born, therefor it should recognized throughout the world that you must automatically at the very least be a citizen of the country where you were born. What additional rights you gain by virtue of your parentage is a secondary issue but nobody should be born stateless.
This story sounds like Bureaucracy gone horribly wrong. Especially since her brother did get it.
I hope this case gets investigated and resolved asap.
It's not Bureaucracy. Someone actually looked at her paperwork and chose to screw with her.
@@KeldonA the fact that they couldn’t reverse it, sounds like a bureaucracy issue.
Whether or it was done on purpose we don’t know, it’s your opinion
Wish Cruella was made stateless.
Me too!! 💯👍
With all that money? No chance, but it would have been funny to have seen her on the first flight to Rwanda, but I would prefer to see zero flights, even if that means suffering her and let’s face it, the white supremacy behind her actions is going nowhere.
Send her to Rwanda.
What a horrible place the UK has become!
It's what the people want, unfortunately.
Please don't come to Australia
@@Know-Your-Nationwe sent our unwanted ancestors down there eons ago.
Parents are British and she was born in UK. WHY? By these ruling the Home Office has declared all UK people as non citizens
In Canada 🇨🇦 she would have been a citizen without problems. I moved to Canada 🇨🇦 in 2007, my daughter who was two when we moved here got Canada 🇨🇦 citizenship in 2010 when we got our citizenship.
Disgusting and shameful. There are no other words to describe what the Tories are doing to this country.
How's it Tories fault?
@@leehenry5764 May changed the laws ,as did cameron for their own benefits & shares - may denied implied rights for citizenship when born here
thats why we cover up pregnant migrants " all men " is what the news says - women are taken back to prevent the very thing pulled on ^^ her - the right to live here when born here
This isn't the Tories, its very VERY long standing UK law. Where you are born does not matter at all and never has.
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@@MichaelGGarry It does if your parents already are British citizens, however if they are not, then they can't be British or get a British passport, and neither can your family.
Basically, her brother got a deciding officer that wasn't racist and she got the one that was. I should know I was a fraud officer in benefits and I came into contact with some colleagues that, just say we're a little overzealous in dealing with people who had a different skin colour or spoke English with a funny accent. Some DM's were fair but others were not. The fact was all decisions are supposed to be made within the same criteria and decisions like this are not supposed to happen. The reason it does is because of the targets that civil servants are given. The hostile environment isn't just for those on the public side of the counter and not just in the home office department. As others have said here, Theresa May was responsible for making a bad situation an awful lot worse.
There are a considerable number of ethnics working at the receiving end of HMPO therefore this is little more than SWAG on your part.
(Scientific Wild-Arrsed GUESSWORK!)
@@genwoolfe White people also have ethnicities and, therefore, are also "ethnics".
@@genwoolfe It's hardly guesswork I have 42 years of experience within the civil service. Clearly, even an idiot can see in this case that there is a clear discrepancy in the decision-making. Just as in all workplaces, there are people that are racist within the civil service. My other point was about targets being imposed and this leads to poor decisions and fiddling of figures so it's not swag as you call it but years of experience.
She mentioned her mother remarried. It seems the brother was from a different father who may have British and named on his BC or he was born before U.K. banned birthright citizenship. She should just apply as a stateless person as they directed her to.
@@ACCantab No, she said that her father was British there were 12 months between her and her younger brother so they had the same father. What she does mention is that there were older siblings that did have a different father.
The same thing initially happened to me when I applied for a passport, I was rejected because I applied through my Dad who was born in India but was half British. However luckily we went to apply in person rather than through the post, and a kind person at the passport office happened to notice my Mum was with me (she is Irish) and let me re-apply the same day with her details instead. The passport system can be very confusing and I feel bad for this young lady having to deal with losing her parents and now this on top. I wonder if it would be worth it to consult a lawyer to help with her application. I hope she manages to get it sorted!
Sorry, she's not British. She is African. Needs to go back there. Only white people can be British.
Wow. You were so very lucky.
What a lovely, intelligent young woman Angela is. The Home Office's action is absolutely ridiculous and random. They seem to be making it up as they go along and refuse to admit to their mistake. Clearly reflective of the attitude of the Secretary of State for that department. I hope their decision gets reversed. Keep fighting for the justice you deserve!
We need a hostile environment for billionaires, aristocrats, royalty and government, and *against any and all attacks on the working class.*
Thinking that myself, your welcomed with open arms if you are rich or exploitable.
The only problem is that it's the billionaires, artistocracts, royalty and government that control everything...
You're*.
Like mass immigration.
Becareful what you wish for...the submarine just happened.
3:03 it's so arbitrary. Such discrepancies shouldn't be allowed.
Indeed, her brother should have been rejected. Thats the error.
@@MichaelGGarryman, it must be fulfilling to troll comments like this, I'm sure if she was white you would have a lot more to say about it mate
@@heartgenerator4967 WTF? I don't care about the colour of her skin, I am talking about the law of the land. As the father of mixed race children who have gone through all of this across multiple countries myself.
That’s why it is very important to properly document your children, especially if parents are not native British.
Happened to me in 08 I had to become a citizen then re apply. What a shot system people have to put up with
This is an absolute disgrace and a source of national shame.
It’s an absolute disgrace and source of personal shame that she and her parents FAILED to travel to France in her 28 years that failed to get her papers in order. Everyone regardless should have their passport to the ready!
@@matthewsmith3592 so, basic government structures making dumb mistakes and taking ages to do anything at all is not a total disgrace and a national shame? Just more proofs that this country have a very unhealthy level of tolerance for incompetence.
@@etiennebunbury1285 why the hell would she go to France when she's not French? wtf has France got to do with anything, did you even watch the video?
@@matthewsmith3592 She should never have been denied citizenship in the first place.
I agree. Put her in prison!
The case is unfortunate. When Angela stated that her mother got her British citizenship when she was 16, the Home Office Treated her like an adult. Probably that’s why the brother got his citizenship. Being born in the UK after the 1980s doesn’t qualify one for British citizenship. With the hostile policies that the Tories have introduced to ‘reduce net migration’ they provide a stupid excuse.
Hopefully Angela get her citizenship soon.
It is actually anyone born in the UK after Dec 1981 does not automatically qualify as a british citizen. Unless the parents are settled with indefinite leave to remain or one of them is a british citizen.
There is a category where this lady can apply for british citizenship, if she brings proof she lived in the UK for ten years or more as a child , for example proof of attendance of a school in the UK.
Even though the fact that her mother has british citizenship should be proof enough.
The British government has been tinkering with the laws regarding citizenship for decades, certainly since the 1960s. Objective is to exclude dark-skinned people. They tightened up regulations for Aussies and Kiwis, and some other whites to appear even-handed.
I don't know precisely where things stand now.
The refugee crisis has affected a political paranoia - you can see that in every western country. 😰
The people talking about „too much foreigners coming here…“ and voting for ultraright parties.
The politicans reacting with laws to aggravate pressure on foreigners to leave the country or get expelled.
All authorities, home offices, police, justice system - becoming very very hostile 😡to persons who they think are illegal or seek for asylum.
This situation has got toxic for our societies.
I don’t blame it on the refugees.
There is no solution in the moment.
Looks like we end installing inhuman methods - shooting on refugees at the borders… ☠️
All I can say is you have to know what law applies to you. That depends which year you were born. I believe, those who were born after 1982, whose parents are not british or permanent resident at the time you were born are not automatically british. However, either one of the parents becomes permanent resident or british citizen, you maybe register as british citizen and when approves then you can apply for the passport. I knew this because this is exactly happened to my child.
solid bit of journalism, this home office is looking for us to slip up!
Its awful journalism as they do not spend the time explaining the law and just go for the sympathy route.
Write to your local MP and the opposition party (Labour)
Notify the main stream media, try the Guardian newspaper.
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Labour won't touch this. They are scared of the racist red wallies.
Yes same thing happened to my mum and us. We were born here, her mother came here on the Windrush (my grandad also from Gambia came first before ) so she was automatically naturalised as a child but faced issues later on. Me and my siblings are now recognised but we were stuck between Britain not wanting us and Gambia because we werent recognised as citizens even tho we were born here , never left . We attended school up until uni where my only choice was to apply as an international student. We actually have a part in a bbc documentary called ‘Who should get to stay in the UK? ‘ episode 2. We were very fortunate to have a solicitor that became family to us during this time working endlessly to finally find documentation that was found in a library that a lady stored from the 80’s that showed evidence that supported our claims written by the government at the time but wasn’t accessible to the public online or found written anywhere publicly. I was 12 when we had to move out of our house to dingy hostels , sofa surfing, separated from my mother and siblings as we weren’t able to be all together due to space. Im 24 now still waiting for a home but we can see the light 🎉 I hope everyone going through something similar all the best and to continue to fight for what is right x
earlier than 80’s opps
We've had no update on this. I've searched and searched but its like its been brushed under the carpet. What has happened?
Cruella Braverman was born in Britain to refugee parents. Why does she get a UK passport but this lady does not? This is beyond merely unjust.
Absolutely true it oght to be criminal, that's why certain countries end up at war, a beneficiary from refugeeism should not be allowed to impose such a selfish hard spineless wicked and inconsiderate right to limit the futures of the poor, vulnerable and needy in this nation, she has proven totally unsuitable for the position. This nation is going to be resented for many years because Suella Braverman and Pritty Patel. Eda Amine knew what he didn't want, and these 2 politicians are exactly that, to be hated by the needy, method of death so vicious that GOD himself will need to get to work his vengeance upon them for wicked they bistow on the innocently needy, watch her corner!
I was just about to say the same thing.
Her parents may have sorted it out when she was a child, like this woman's parents should've done.
The citizenship status of a child is something that parents should take seriously, and not leave it to chance.
It sounds like you're not familiar enough about the rules of citizenship to know whether the Home Office was actually being discriminatory or unfair to her.
Citizenship rules ARE discriminatory - whether a person is automatically a citizen depends on several factors, including the birth place, citizenship and marital status of the parents, and the birth place and date of the child.
This means that 2 siblings can have different entitlement to citizenship, even if they were only born a year apart. If her brother was born after 2006 and she was born before 2006, different rules would apply to them. The story makes none of this clear - it's vague reporting designed to make people angry, but the Devil is in the detail, and this report gives none of it.
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 Okay, people make mistakes. And maybe they were too busy working and surviving, its not her fault. I'm not angry. She seems like a decent person.
because her parents applied for citizenship then was approved
I was born in the UK and have lived here all my life. There is little about this country that I still recognize. It's a petty, small place who's time has long past. Weak politicians, petty bureaucrats trying to be "little lords" and not an ounce of compassion or common sense. This young woman is British, pure and simple. Someone somewhere needs to work on growing a few more neurons and recognize that fact. This sort of thing just makes me sick to my stomach.
I think so too! 💯👍
well said
Born and grew up in the UK. My wife is a US citizen and the bs we've had to put up with due to our messed up visa application process on top of huge hikes in immigration fees planned make us feel like she's not welcome and by extension I don't feel welcome in my own country.
The change is due to mass immigration.
@@carlpeckett1393 I have experienced a similar thing. My wife is Chinese and we have given up trying to get her allowed into the UK. We have decided to make China our permanent home.
Please read the laws of citizenship and immigration before you comment.
She was born in the UK by a non-UK citizen, who was NOT married (so the fact that her dad was British didn't mean a thing back then), which means that her mum, and subsequently her, had no legal ties to the country. Even under those circumstances she had the right to apply for her citizenship after 10 years of continuous residency, only because she was born in the UK (I've attached the law that clarifies that further down in the comment). That doesn't mean though that it's something automatically assumed, you still need to fill in forms and claim your right to citizenship. If her parents never told her or applied for her when she was a minor, then she will not be considered a UK citizen, she would by law assume her mother's citizenship (mum was born in Malawi and was a citizen of Malawi when the girl was born, so her internationally legal citizenship would be Malawian, even though she or her parents haven't claimed it by registering her birth in Malawi).
There is a difference from back then, because now when an unmarried British (at the time of birth of the baby) father recognises the baby as his and his name is put on the certificate, then the child automatically has British citizenship. Her problem with not getting a passport is a minor technicality, because they can't issue one without her FIRST claiming her rightful citizenship and I'm baffled as to the fact that apparently no one has explained that to her.
As to her brother having been issued a passport, please don't assume they had the same circumstances because she doesn't clarify that and also mentions brothers from her mum's first husband. If their circumstances were the exact same then the examiner who gave the passport to her brother will have to face some form of penalty for not following the law to the letter.
Extract from UK's Government site (www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-born-uk/uk-until-10#:~:text=in%20the%20UK.-,You%20can%20register%20to%20become%20a%20British%20citizen%20if%2C%20when,10%20years%20of%20your%20life.)
"You were born after 31 December 1982 and before 1 July 2006
You’re automatically a British citizen if, when you were born, either:
your mother was a British citizen or settled in the UK
your father was a British citizen or settled in the UK and was married to your mother
You can register to become a British citizen if, when you were born, either:
both of your parents were not British citizens or settled in the UK
your father was a British citizen or settled in the UK and was not married to your mother
You must not have spent more than 90 days outside the UK in each of the first 10 years of your life."
This happened to me, I'm born in Britain, so are my parents, I grew up with a grandparent (who is not originally from the UK) who after they past I was then completely estranged from my family, my mother refused to sign my passport application. I have never left the UK. It took me 18 years (being refused from age 19 to 37) to get my passport. An absolutely wicked university teacher mocked me repeatedly over the situation and called me a liar (the university was demanding my passport), I got accused of being an illegal immigrant at several job interviews, I almost got deported several times, it was an experience I'd wish on no human being ever.
You are an illegal. Go back.
So sorry to hear about your situation
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That sad sorry
I'm not surprised at all. The home office is a brutal cold hearted monster. They've no regard to human life. They treated the Windrush generation appallingly & after getting caught they issued a lousy apology.
They just follow the rules. It's not personal
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Rules of discrimination?
@@Stirlingshirecastle They are giving out citizenship, so it is their job to discriminate.
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Do you hear yourself what you said? So, according to you, It is their job to discriminate against people who were born in this country? Are you implying the home office was right to unfairly treat the Windrush the way they did?
@Stirlingshirecastle Every country discriminates against people over passports. That is their job. Not everyone is entitled to a passport, so most people are discriminated against, as they are not entitled to a UK passport. It is their very reason for existing.
I was born in Zimbabwe to parents who had Zimbwean citizenship. At 27, I was denied citizenship in the country of my birth and had to apply for a British passport because both my parents were born in Britain.
It's exactly the same situation as this lady. I had to leave Zimbabwe. I never heard anyone say I had the right .to stay in Zimbabwe in 2001, just because I was born there.
This is not a video i want to see, currently trying to get my British passport and waiting on the home office, and i've been living here for my whole life. but i wasnt born here. had to do the stupid life in the uk test. smfh
Good luck! We’d be lucky to have you! My step mum also had to do that and the whole family collectively couldn’t pass it.
Good luck. Some of us value immigrants and many contribute so much to our society (except for Tory ministers, who ruin our country in most cases).
If it's any consolation, if everyone in the UK was to take a citizenship test at least 90% would fail it miserably. Good luck to you with your passport.
@@Sou1defiler Yeah. And I'm the one here that's trying to get OUT of the UK, not in.
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Please get her to contact her MP to look into this.
The Home Office staff are so powerful yet they're not the most informed people. A single mistake decision by the Home Office staff can take you years and 1000s in legal fees to correct.
Amazing that a Government can make a citizen stateless just like that. Amnesty International have called the UK governments policies "a cold hearted attack on human rights" how can anyone hear this story and disagree?
Most people don't disagree. The filth who support this scum just don't believe in human rights, because they believe (wrongly) theirs will always be safe.
She never was a citizen, thats the point.
@Brizlebird that's your point. Amnesty's point is that it's a despicable, archane policy fuelled by hateful paranoia from bitterly selfish individuals.
@@Brizlebird Does a uber rich so called business person, from abroad have the same problem? No, wonder why?
@@Brizlebird ohhhh I see, didn't realise as vid started to bore me.
May you find the right advocate and the right ears in the home office to restore fairness in this matter. Keep going and remain resolved.
What a disgrace. This woman is more British than anyone in Britain.
As a british citizen who was born abroad (and has no british parents), I was very aware of how the system worked and how to register as a resident then get a naturalisation. Those who are born here of course don't think about this. It should be enough to be born here with one british parent, but unfortunately, the UK is not like the US, where you are born in there you are American no matter what. I guess we are used to the US way of doing things because of movies maybe, and believe that that's how it works everywhere. When her mom naturalised british, she should have done it for the kids too.... the law is so not clear tho. What is insane that her brother got it and she didn't.
This needs to be all over social media.
It’s so sad people coming from different countries get a passport but she can’t get one 😮
why? Shes not british
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@@diorocks5858 it's great you seem so confident, but are so wrong. You receive citizenship by your birth, she was born here, therefore she is British.
@@nokeechia no that's not right, see her mum could have first arrived in the UK on a tourist visa which would mean her status remains country of origin and any kids born would be COO. Example! My son was born in Abu Dhabi and was given immediately a British passport having no right to an Abu Dhabi one. For example, if I was born in Qatar and my parent's Visa was expired My parents would go to Jail and then be deported. Basically, this case means her parents have cheated the system. For Example, i could bring a Girlfriend here under a tourist visa and marry here that's illegal. You would have to apply for a fiancee visa to do so legally.
Probably no longer can trust Labour Party to deal with this situation either since they're keen to keep many Tories policies. It's unfair how the home office has turned a simple application into a unnecessary complicated mess.
Labour now is now to the right of Thatcher and Cameron
I came to the uk 11 years ago and I have a British passport, make it make sense
Sad when parents don't do the due diligence to make sure their children are secure. Although they probably had no idea that would happen.
Thank you for sharing Angela's story. Hope she gets sorted soon. The hone office needs to get their act together. Surely, someone can see the girl is British and grant her her passport.. Best of luck, Angela , stay strong..🍀🍀🍀
This is the definition of systemic violence which people should really try to understand. We talk about crime and violence all the time but I know most people would rather get mugged once than have their citizenship refused on such a BS technicality. Such an incredibly vital part of your life left up to the whims of bureaucrats (probably outsourced) who see you as a number not a human. Many of them have targets for refusals and things like that as well. It's far more violent than most people realise and the stress and trauma can be long lasting. The stress of the visa system and possibly being deported have my wife panic attacks, for example. The system is inhumane by design. It needs to be totally reformed.
Sorry to hear that. We shouldn't have settled in this country.
Contact your local MP to challenge this, this is what helped the Windrush generation over citizenship claims.
Sorry got thimess Angela. I pray that God will sort out your rightful citizenship soon as possible!!! Very sad. God bless you you!!! ❤
So sorry for her situation. She’s British and Britain should defend her.
The system is not even be black & white (yes/no, poke/yoke) and clearly at the discretion of employees in an office. All will have an opinion and that s borne out by her brother being given a passport.
How in times when we are being told by politicians that we need immigration, does the system decide immigrants and asylum seekers are more important than her. She is born here, assimilated, shares the same views and just found out they don’t want her. It’s a crime that the bar association should take up for the benefit of her and likely many others who are suffering such intolerable treatment.
"All I did was be born" is my response to capitalism. The way life is to. Strength to her, espesh as I thought they weren't allowed to make people stateless.
Tory moved to be closer to ukip because they knew that UKIP was getting stronger so they adopted their policies bringing them intoo the tory party, that media sold labour as the racist party was beyond incredible
Torys let in 1 million in last year
@@evolassunglasses4673we know. The tories celebrate it every opportunity they get. In-between their vile illegal attempts to dehumanise refugees, they remind us how welcoming the uk is and how generous we are.
This isnt the Tories, not the current bunch anyway, its the law of the land.
@@MichaelGGarryThe law of the land isn't handed down by gods it is debated and passed by governments. And which collection of politicians have been providing the government recently if not the festering Tories.
@@evolassunglasses4673You mean 600,000?
I think racism at work here, my ❤ go out to her.
I think so too! 😏
@@oneoflokis Except that doesn't explain why her brother got it. So maybe it's sexism too? Except that the rules in this case resulted in this outcome precisely because of in-built anti-male sexism, if you note what the spokesman said.
It's always racism, everything is racism.🤷
This policy of not granting citizenship to children born to parents who were not citizens at the time of their birth impacted a friend of mine but they left the U.K. Many couples come to the U.S. for long enough to have a baby, called 'anchor' babies, to be able to claim citizenship through that child. Britain caught on, the I.S. has not.
They should be given the right to appeal the decisions.
This is utterly heartbreaking.
I agree. Why didn't the news crew call the police to have this criminal arrested?
When people with machine hearts and machine minds run this country, this is one of the many injustices they inflict.
I hope she gets resolve, bless her.
There are so many incapable people in government offices in Europe too. You can have one question and get several different answers from the same office if you just ask different people there!! It’s just insane
Feels like at least one person at the home office should be sued.