Rubberized Undercoating Will Destroy Your Car!
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2018
- In this video we have a look at a Chevrolet Silverado that has had the Ziebart undercoating sprayed on it every year since it was new. In our experience here in the salt belt this type of rubberized undercoating WILL DESTROY your vehicle. Unfortunately this vehicle will not make it past ten years old before the frame is completely rotted in half, despite the customer doing what he thought was right. Be sure to do your research folks before applying any type of "coating" under your vehicle.
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I try to speak really clear and slow in the video however that does not seem to be to effective so I will write it out here as slow as I can type so you can follow along:
A: This was not a DIY at home job after the truck was already rusted. This truck was sprayed by Ziebart here in NY the day it was purchased NEW before the customer took delivery of the vehicle. I have the receipts to prove it.
B: Every year after the original date of purchase it was taking in to Ziebart to have the coating "reapplied" per their recommendation to "keep the warranty."
C: This shit will destroy your car no matter how much "surface prep" you do. I have been working in the salt belt as a mechanic for over 25 years. This stuff that Ziebart sprays on is complete shit and will 100% destroy your vehicle at an accelerated rate.
D: Use Fluid Film, Krown, NOHC, surface shield or some other for of "oil undercoating" if you live in the rust belt and want your car to last more than 11 years
E: You have a nice day 👍🏼
I heard you the first time! lol, good work. Nice channel
i have an idea, stop using salt on the roads.
Wow. This is the first I've ever heard of this .
@@Cara.314 Tell that to the Frost Giants. If they stop pissing snow on the roads, we will stop throwing down salt.
Spot on and absolutely correct.
Old Landrovers have a nice self-oiling chassis system, it'll even oil your driveway for you.
No oil under it, no oil in it. Same goes for Fords and Vauxhalls
Lol a friend of mine had a honda with a self changing oil system.
And the Land rovers oil system doesn't glue your wiring harnesses together. Win-win.
My bmw does the same
Hey, must be chevy trying to add luxury features but my old suburban does a great job keeping its undercarriage and the driveway well coated.
We all know one great rust proofing method just have a huge oil leak..
Fix oil leak for inspection and enjoy your rusty engine block a year later. So frustrating every time...
And it seals your driveway......lol
We have an old 98 freightliner FL70 with an 8.3 Cummins that leaks oil bad. No rust on the frame at all it undercoats itself while driving down the road. Only rust from the salt is on the side mounted fuel tanks under the doors and the top part of the steel deck.
I have a 99 Dodge Cummins with the corrosion protection feature too.
We my Honda Civic is golden then. Check the fuel and fill the oil.
I got some rust in my eyes from watching this video Lol
I instinctively squinted when the rust started flying
@18matts: OUCH!
Do you know the way?
Driveway mechanics laying under their classic car unbolting things will instantly recognize this feeling. 😅
@@RustOnWheels Or a 1/8inch thick layer of leaking oil and dirt falling everywhere lol
Hate rust? Buy any jeep with the 4.0 they come with anti rust lubricants straight from the valve cover, rear main, and oil filter elbow
the differentials also stay pretty rust free because of the pinion seals
oh a bit like land rovers, known for getting the sump gaskets redone before the new owner had even picked the thing up
My 94 f150 has the 300 six. All the same oil leaks and then some... not a single stuck bolt on the back half of the engine lol
I see what u did there. 👍
I think mine was broken, it didn't leak from any those spots...
the total disregard for spraying serviceable components on the underside is absolutely criminal
I literally just got a quote from ziebarts 2 hours ago. This video just saved my truck.
Get it done anyways 😜 it might work out pleasantly for u.
if the job is done by professional you will not have those issues they will take care of the rust first and not spray cables , brake lines etc , if you do a shitty job then yes water can get inside just like any other kind of coating or paint
ZIEBART DEALER
My grandfather owned a ziebart from the 60s to the early 90s. They switched material and thought no one would notice. The original is an oil based self healing material. One application lasts the life of the vehicle. I restore cars in wisconsin and I can definitely tell if a car from here was ziebarted from New. It won't flake off EVER and the steel underneath is like brand new. They used to have a rust out guarantee of 10 years if I remember correctly. Also paid to repair it if it did rust. This is why he got out. Because of what your showing now.
@jonbrockman5308, I remember the original Ziebart. It would leak from the car for weeks, especially on hot summer days. It was pliable and would flow, not like this crap in the video.
@@Dixler683 still have a few drums of the original stuff. Gonna use it on a few restorations possibly.
Is there any info about the original composition left? And was it applied "as is" (room temperature) or some heated? I know one military-purposed composition for equipment conservation for decades (something like cannon fat) and it`s pretty bushy and needs to be slightly warmed to be applied. In cold seasons (after application) it doesn`t harden like rubberrized coat or mastic and remains on the metal surface without the formation of air bags for moisture. In first hot season after application it could have been dripping from under the car for week or two.
@@EatenBird I've had a Ziebart store for over 30 years and I can tell you Ziebart DID NOT change its undercoating!!!!! It was and still is an asphalt based product! I can assure you that what's in this video IS NOT a Ziebart product. Sadly some owners are not using a true Ziebart undercoat product but a cheaper rubberized coating. Many have since gone out of business after being caught. Sorry your friend got scammed. As you surely know it only takes a few shady mechanics to give all mechanics a bad name. I thought you would realize that before trashing a company.
@@Radar88269 I guess you made a mistake - I didn't speak negatively about Ziebart product. I just asked about composition (and you mentioned it`s rubberized coating). Maybe your answer is addressed to jonbrockman5308?
Kinda satisfying watching you peel off that rubber and see what's under it. Looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen, that really sucks your friend paid for that rubber coat service and it destroyed his truck. Thanks for the heads up bro!
The rust destroyed the truck though
Lawyer fee$ co$t more than that truck.
@@1968zz4350 What a dumb analogy. There is no comparison. So with your logic... people typically go into a store to prevent their eyelashes from falling out? Idiot. The undercoating is bought FOR the purpose of preventing rust when in fact it does the exact opposite... it promotes rust and seeking damages in this case should be sought by the buyer.
I genuinely cannot understand the people attacking this comment. People making it out like there is some frivolous lawsuit epidemic. Cases like this are literally the reason why the civil judicial system exists.
If you bought a product from a store, that claimed to meet or exceed all US regulations, you brought that product home, and it did not work, would you not try and return it? What if the store told you "tough shit"? What if they had a sign outside that outlined their return policy, which was conveniently missing when you returned? What if instead of simply not working, the product had an adverse affect on your health? Your safety? Are you telling me you'd lie down and take it? If the product caused your home to burn to the ground, would you be satisfied with a simple refund? Would you not even try to recoup the value of your destroyed property?
The simple fact is, this person purchased a product that not only did not work as advertised, but also caused damage to this person's property, to which the product was applied.
They don't even get a lawsuit for a truck that's rusting through the rear fenders after 5 years. I mean fuck why aren't stainless steel brake lines mandatory unless there's some stupid Flex issue which could be alleviated by a rubber hose section that's easy to replace.
bad rear main seal and a bad rear end pinion seal are the best under coating you can get.
lol, just take your used motor oil and put it in a pressure sprayer and coat the underside of your car with it
Hey thats not a bad idea.
@@evilwoodchuck My uncle used to do exactly that. Said it was a pretty standard service for mechanic shops in the 1950s.
My Jaguar was "factory designed" to have automatic undercarriage rust preventative treatment. About a liter every 2000 miles.
I owned a 1995 s320 with a bad rear main seal and not one bit of rust under the car
I searched for how to apply this. Instead, I found this video and you saved me. Thank you so much.
The same happened to me today😂 Legend
You’re probably the most informative mechanic I’ve seen on here. There are other good ones who sold out more to sponsors but you have maintained your legitimacy. Thank You!!!!
I've been trusting Scotty Kilmer and he recommended RUST BULLET but he's from Texas and doesn't know a damn thing about road salt. Argh.
@@curiousnomadic
Scotty has some helpful information, however he has sold out to the click bait algorithm, the more the days go by the more I see him flying off his rocker like Uncle Tony's garage has been doin.
Opinionated, but not factually accurate.
@@jaredpaulsen3 He does clickbait like crazy. It's annoying.
@@curiousnomadic
The clickbaiting has become disgraceful.
Scotty used to be worth listening to but now I just question if he's saying something for cash.
55,000 looks like 400,000
my Michigan driven f250 has 400k and looks better than this
david mcknight my 16 year old 160k mile mistubushi looks 10/10 better.... only surface rust on some rock guards, and the rest has plastic coverings
Its looks like its been in Atlantic ocean for thirty years.
The bigger reason that GM and Chrysler have major corrosion issues is due to reduced costs in metal plating processes at the factory. Nothing is cadmium played anymore and hex chrome has been eliminated on anything 2010 and newer due to environmental and cost. Same problem in the aerospace industry. New Cessna 172’s have major corrosion issues in the tail section after just a few years. Yet a chromated tail section from a 1955 Cessna 172 still looks brand new today. Build it cheap....build it fast....sell it at a high price....shorter service life. My 2007 Lexus chassis (all hex chrome and cad plated parts) has minimal rust and I live in the Midwest where we have nuclear road salt. This year I will give fluid film a try.
My 03 Silveraydoe 210k miles looks better than this. Jesus
I always intended to buy a few cans and apply rubberized undercoating... Glad I was too lazy to get around to it!
Laziness is rather productive when you consider the avoided re-doing of stuff.
I'd fist bump you, but...ehh...
Engine oil cut with diesel and a dirt or gravel road is all you need.
@@apersonontheinternet8006 Project farm tested engine oil and diesel as a rust preventative product. Its results are very un-inspiring and pretty much as good as doing nothing.
@@explosivemallard8038 a big jug of professional stuff(FluidFilm) is only like 50 bucks and it'll last you years. Ain't worth fuckin around with engine oil.
Same here! 😂🤣
I have a 1974 Porsche 914 that was Zeibart coated when new. Much of the coating held up, but not everywhere. Overall it saved the car from a lot of rust. But mainly in areas where the metal was able to be coated on both sides.
The issue is that you’re taking a chance
I have a 944 you are mostly correct that it saves the under neath I'm having the opposite issue My car is rotting out from the inside lol
Perhaps Porsche uses a better grade of metal?
@@BoleDaPole I wonder if it was 1974 that used a better grade of metal.
4 or 5 years ago, I worked for a tree service. One day they asked me to get in their 1987 Silverado and head to a job site. When I looked at it I was amazed at how nice it was. I asked if they got it out of state and they said no, it was a local truck. I asked if they only drive it in summer, they said no they drive it all winter. At this point I’m flabbergasted and asked them what kind of sorcery is this? Oil. They asked me to go look under my rusty Jeep, and when I did, I saw that the only spot without rust on it, literally gorgeous paint still there, was where it was leaking oil (good ol’ Jeep 4.0 inline 6 tractor engine). Made a believer out of me.
All those coatings out there? Junk. At best they last a short while, at worst (the subject of this video) they speed up rot. JUST OIL YOUR SH**!
Fluid Film would probably be a better solution than oil. Easier to apply (comes in spray cans or you can an air compressor), non-flammable, and may stay on a little better than motor oil, and better for the environment than leaving oil everywhere you go.
@@tirdkat6104 oil comes from the ground genius
@@illhaveanother4365 So does Radon, Plutonium, Arsenic, virtually every kind of deadly mushroom, and so do centipedes, round worms, and cyanobacteria.
And so does water. Since oil coming from the ground means it's perfectly harmless, how about this: go pour a quart of oil in a small pot, cook yourself a pack of Top Ramen in it, and eat it. Let's see how that works out for you, genius.
I'd be amazed if you managed to get the electric stove turned on without blowing your house up somehow.
UPDATE: I sent the old WJ off to a farm, dude still drives it out there so I’m happy she’s still alive. I scored a rust-free Cherokee from Florida and just paid $130 to have it oil sprayed at some place locally. Wish me luck y’all.
@@illhaveanother4365why so mad ? Fluid film isn't oil
You, my friend, just changed my life.
That is horrendous, and potentially deceitful. I'd be inclined to think the only reason they want you to re-apply every year is to ensure the damage remains hidden.
I believe it is because they make another sale every year. more money for them, thats why they are in business .
Probably the idea Originally had been to Seal any possible holes of the coating after thorought checktrough of them and proper cleaning of them etc... give it 50 years of cost saving and trying to be more efficient... and here we are
@TheOtherWhiteBread0 corrosion of metal requires oxygen, how do you prevent it? ,)
We need more people like u. You are not afraid to expose and complaint about this type of issue. I appreciate very much your info.
I made a big mistake putting the Z undercoating on my 2014 silverado. Fortunately I got it off, it mostly fell off, using a needle scaler, scrapers etc. It was a rusty mess underneath. Cleaned it all off and used rustoleum rust reformer and black spray paint. I was the damage was minimal. I have used fluid film inside the frame box and now CRC Marine coating is my new favorite. So don't do the Z coating you will regret it. I agree 👍. Joe
Phil Swift here with FLEX SEAL!!!!!!!
Ryan Bruneau LOL that's great
That's alotta damage!!
"Do you have a brand new car that you thing your gonna protect by sealing your underside? Well try out new flex shot frame sealer" DISCLAIMER: MAY ROT FRAME
HEY GUYS, BILLY MAYS HERE!!!
Flexon 💪
Glad I saw this, I’ll be canceling my under coating at Ziebart
Oil base is the best one , not rubber
So, did you catch it before you had any coatings? If you already have 1 it's too late.
I have a car the had Ziebart applied to the underside in 1979, it it mint under there! If you scratch it back the paint is as good as new. The engine bay is perfect, no welding. The only rust I have is the areas not covered in ziebart.
@@ollie2244 I'm sure it works very well in Arizona 🙄
Ziebart is horrible in the rust belt, as evidenced in this video. Plus, you're not getting the same quality materials, as were common in 1979. Engineering has come a long way since then, but so has ''value engineering''.
@@debtminer4976 I'm from the UK, it rains every other day here, and in the winter they throw salt everywhere, that said you're absolutely right, Ziebart probably used a far more toxic formula void of regulations back in the 70's which made it better and more durable than the modern stuff. No doubt the steel was better too! I'm not saying all steel comes from China now, but it all comes from China..."they don't build 'em like they used to".
Home Depot had the same problem with their deck coatings. If you're going to try blocking water, you have to coat ALL sides. That frame had factory holes in it. I doubt it was coated inside there
All sides and in the absents of moisture. IF even the tiniest bit of rust has started, its useless. This is why body people cut so much back from the rusty spot. Almost like cancer, you have to cut away some of the good to make sure you get all the bad... leave a tiny bit, and it comes back with a vengeance 100x worse.
I am so glad I decided to do some research, when I was wanting to protect my Florida-bought vehicle from rust belt problems. That research led me to videos such as this, and led me to get that car treated with Krown rather than a rubberized coating.
Thank you! I live in MICHIGAN and bought a vehicle from Tennessee and was wondering which is best to use for this.
@@LaNoire27 I think fluid film coatings are the best thing ever.
Any oil coating will work,as it leaves a layer on the metal preventing oxidization ...lanolin or petroleum doesn't matter. Make sure it's liquid enough to creep into all crevices .
I"m shocked that Ziebart is still around. As a kid I remember seeing a lot of cars that were rusted to heck but had a Ziebart sticker on it.
Ziebart was all over Detroit in the 1970s. IIRC, they offered a no rust warranty. If their stuff is 90% useless due to improper application procedures, why haven't the warranty claim ate them up financially? How they still exist is beyond me. "It's us or rust" used to be their slogan. Guess they should have said "It's us FOR rust". :)
ziebart does a good job i have seen many cars after a long term in the salt the cars always hold up well
It's most likely the *used* to do a good job, then went to cost saving methods as seen here, which involves just lazily spraying everything. You are *not* supposed to spray electrical connectors, those are made of plastic, will not rust and now it can't be maintained, lol @@scottkemp1460
I believe they offer a non rubberized/tar coating as well. My Tacoma has the Zeibart plugs, but it appears to have an oil spray instead. I wouldn't touch a vehicle with that tar/rubberized type coating.
The truck was fine until you rusted it with your screwdriver!
that bad air!
@@MrZucchinii I was thinking the same thing.
Yah it’s not your truck should’ve never started scraping all over his truck bad for business buddy
Kidding?
I sure that's what the company would say
THANK YOU for showing this. I can't believe how many people they get to fall for this.
I believe the problem is improper prepping before application. Most of these are probably just lifted and sprayed
Thanks for the info - I would have never thought of the consequences of rubberized coatings.
Dang, owner of that truck is probably still making monthly payments on it.
ICU2 he'll probably still be paying it off when it's sitting in the salvage yard next year
😂
This is actually extremely common in the rust belt. It’s very sad. I live in Vermont, close to upstate ny. The rust is just as bad. Trucks these days don’t make it to see a decade before the rocker panels are rotted out and hanging down and the wheel wells are bubbling and perforated with rust. My 2013 Chevy frame looks like it’s been submerged in the ocean. Rust and flaking paint front to back on the frame. Body is okay though... for now. I suspect I’ll still be making payments on it when the body starts to rust out. And when it’s paid off I’ll be left with a pile of junk I can’t sell for a couple grand. I see trucks on a daily basis that are 2009 or 2010 model year that are so rusty they’ll see the crusher by this time next year. My 09 ford had about had it before I bought my Chevy. The cab corners were pretty bad and the rockers were totally gone. Next truck will be likely be some 90’s-2000’s cheap thing from down south. Way better of then spending another 20k on a half rotted truck.
I can't believe that 2013 car is rust. My friend has 1993 Acura, and he is living in Maryland. His car is fine. I think the dealership or manufacture did not put anti-rust or coat before selling cars.
He can stop paying and tell them to keep it lol 😂
Hey... I live in California and I finally found something good about California... our cars don’t rot like those on the east coast. But that’s pretty much about all I can come up with.
True but the sun tends to damage paint more in the west coast
East coast? You mean the mid West right? No salt around here in North Carolina.
living in California which is controlled by democrats... you have paid so much more in taxes.. other states ... you could have afforded to purchase another vehicle. and still have your freedoms still intact. Never vote democrat and live free from their tyranny
@@markochipsmarkochips3866 lol im in california and im as free as a bird.... funny thing is more things are outlawed in conservative states like weed
Same with AZ. Still no reason to live in CA 😋
I'm so glad I watched this video. I just purchased a 2018 GMC from MI and I live in MN. I was going to have it undercoated in the next week. You just saved my you know what!!! Now I have to find your video on Fluid film.
Thank-you for making this video. I always planned on getting a rubberized coating under my truck but I kept putting it off.
This vid saved my truck haha
Person: Can you save it? 😰
Mechanic: I’m sorry..... it won’t live 10 years
I mean... It could, but i would mean welding the frame
Only a mechanic and a doctor get asked that question. Lol
Thanks for the TRUTH!
Vehicle won't even outlast the loan.
I thought you were kind of wimping out, complaning about working on a rusty vehicle until you showed all of the hose and electrical connectors. What a nightmare!
LOL, you mustn't have watched many videos. The amount of rust that rains out of those cars when he does any suspension related work is incredible.
I though he was pretty clear about the problem. Plus it adds to he cost having to work through the coating to get to the problems.
He is likely to get complaints that someone's buddy had the same problem on the same car and it cost less.
Thanks sir liked your presentation no gimmicks no silly jokes only straight to the point. Thanks for the important information
Wow, man. This is eye opening. I planned on under coating myself for this season coming up
I can imagine why he'd refuse to work on cars with that crap. What a mess.
Yeah cant even get sockets on bolts
Working on cars like this is an everyday occurrence in uk/ireland, which i was a mechanic in the US instead of here lol
@@donerae8682 BRAKE LINES
I should have Ziebarted my ex-wifes truck. Hind sights always 20-20!
oh, that's funny
NICE!
Will keep in mind, a Ziebart gift certificate is a great gift for your enemies in the salt belt
#chessnotcheckers
Stuart, I should of just ziebarted my ex-wife.
This is an eye opening content. I am about to go for under coating b4 watching this, but now i will not waste my hard earned money for this thing. Thank you for this info.
Reminds me of what inevitably happens to fiberglass jacketed aluminum driveshafts. One little crack in the jacket and the rot begins. The engineering goal was to eliminate sound transmission from the aluminum tube. Minor explosions of the jacket aren't unusual and in the worst case the aluminum tube can fail. May lead to serious injury or death. It's okay though because it'll probably hold together for a few years usually. My younger brother worked at a Ziebart back in the late 1970's and they sold cars and boats out of their showroom too. Of course everything they sold had that garbage applied to it. Including a 1970 Torino Cobra 429 SCJ. 4 speed car obviously including the Drag Pack. Beautiful dark blue car with rear window slats. Seem to recall it was $3995. What a shame.
The best rust protection method i know so far is 1. removing carefully all rust with different steelbrushes, 2. apply brunox with a brush (rust converter + epoxy primer, very expensive but it works very well) 3. spray ropefat, repeat after 2-3 years. It works for me in central europe where they have to put ridiculous amounts of salt/chemicals on the roads through the winter time.
Wtf is ropefat
@@anotherdrunkaspiringwriter epoxy coating paint
FYI that stuff can be effective IF you are coating a panel that has been primed, painted and is 100% clean and dry. And has no rust. Which means it worthless for the types of applications Ziebart is using it on.
Thanks for this. A real eye opener. Saved my car from a potential nightmare!
So glad I stumbled upon this video. I was going to have LINE-X applied to my new 4Runner since I live in Ohio (salty winter roads). You saved me $400 for the application and the likely premature destruction of my new vehicle. Thank-you.
Do a krown oil spray, works great. They drill and spray rocker panels on the inside as well to make sure everything is coated in oil. My truck is 8years old lives outside 24/7 and driven in the Ontario Salt mine roads..😂 but no rust to be seen on the underside.
I ended-up w/ DIY Fluid Film application. Not as good as what you describe, but certainly better than nothing at all.@@DL101ca
I am sure when ziebart sees this you will be taken off of their Christmas card list.
Bill Rae probably a channel strike. They will cry. Lol.
They should have to cover the cost of the damage
Guarantee, bahahahaaaa
DON,T CARE
Been working on cars forever down south, customer came in from a road trip from the East coast. I’ve never seen such a rust bucket. I’ll never bitch about the heat down here again, all our cars are in pristine condition (regarding rust) and it’s just astounding to me.
Eric you are as professional as they come . Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise in a very humble way. keep the videos coming please .
it didn't destroy his truck! Ziebart has been in business for 65 years. if they were destroying trucks they would have died a long time age.
wow! caught this video at the last second. Still got my receipts. Thank You again. AGAIN
Ziebart dealer be like: you drove it in adverse conditions !
Yup. Adverse conditions like "outside of my garage." :-)
@@guardrailbiter
That curb warranty.
Once it's past the curb the warranty expires 😂
Ziebart employees disliked this video. (also, I was considering having this done. thanks for saving my car)
Thanks so much for this video. I just bought a beautiful old Lincoln Towncar that was just starting to develop some surface rust underneath. I was literally seconds away from spraying it with a rubber undercoat when I saw your video
"If you can't see it, it doesn't exist!" - Undercoating Manufacturer
I always figured undercoatings were bad when they straight up said so in that episode of archer, but now it's double confirmed
Haha me too, that’s what Ron said right?
I can imagine this product being applied to a rusted out vehicle in hopes of deceiving the potential buyer.
That is what the car dealers in our area do. See it everyday here.
@@SouthMainAuto that's just sad. Glad you are educating the community. A 40k truck down the drain in 10 years is a hard pill to swallow
Was looking for a car once. I reached down and felt the nice smooth undersea. Then I tripped and grabbed the inner sill as I fell. The whole sill disintegrated destroying the outer sill as well. I was left trying to kick it back while making an excuse as to why I did not want a test drive. All with a brand new MOT.
@@billybob-hv5hl 2011 truck built late in the model year might barely be 7 years old at this point....that would be an even harder pill to swallow.
Billy Bob, I would have had the RA if they did that to my new truck. Just as you finish paying for it, time for a new truck.
You are 100% accurate with this type of coatings. Have a nice day!
Glad Ive seen your video before trying to do coating my own car. Thank you for the information
For record my brother in law had a 1969 pontiac grand prix. It was so clean . He decided to rubber undercoat frame trying to save any corrosion over time. An appraiser told him he devalued the car because they cldnt see what was under the coating on frame . Hard lesson learned figured I'd share this experience
The appraiser is partly right. But very little would it cause to devalue a car once you see that it is not hiding patch work beyond its original parts. Just need to look a little closer is all. Sounds to be like this guy was too lazy to give it a few more minutes of looking. It doesn't mean all cars are now devalued with undercoating's on them. And probably not even this one was substantially devalued enough to cause worry or loss. Don't believe anyone you listen to and for God sake don't post something just because now you believe what was being said! Truth is its all a matter of individuals who are buying or holding these investment vehicles. I'd rather mine be protected if I were driving it. If it is sitting in a climate controlled storage it wouldn't matter if it had undercoating or not. Thanks.
@@MrCbell57 Not sure how your comment makes much sense. There is nothing good about this rubber undercoating. It's essentially the illusion of protection so not sure how your comment " I'd rather mine be protected if I were driving it" makes any real sense. Also unless the person gives the appraiser permission to chip this crap off and or is willing to do it himself how can the appraiser truly know what's underneath? He's not being lazy, he's being a realist. How or why would anyone with any legitimacy put their name on something where they couldn't even truly see some of the most important parts of what they were supposed to be inspecting?
that was toyotas fix if the frame was rusty but not rotted through they just sprayed that crap over the rust , well you can guess how well that worked, so much for frame recall, l had to weld the frame, scrape all that crap off then spray it with bar and chain oil,
Hey young man
What are you doing here 😁
Get back in the shop🤣🤣🖐
See you on the next video
RESPECT to mustie jr.
I used medium bar and chain oil and it will wash off within a year
Why didn't you go back to the dealer and have them replace the entire frame? A family member of mine has an '06 Tacoma with a 1 year old frame... The brake lines were replaced among other parts- all covered by the recall. Now, it's pretty much the closest thing to a new truck in Upstate NY.
Mustie1 is here. I’m a fan.
Chris N after 10 years the frame recall is not done
I have a 70s dodge truck that was built with heavy use of galvanized steel. It's fifty years old with no rust. Built to last. A different mind set back then.
I've battled rust on old cars and saltwater boats and trailers.
The rust converter products that turn the metal black actually change the metal and lock out oxidation. If the rust is deep it will bubble up again. Chipping away the surface before treatment helps.
In a very good RUclips video there's a test and POR product won decisively.
I've just started that one a year ago and it is doing good. Forms a hard black paint able surface.
Farm lab is the site or something.
They mostly use a zinc phosphate reaction and will turn skin purple. Use gloves.
After several coats I use a marine grade zinc primer and marine paint for the sea and cheaper Rust-Oleum for the land.
Make sure you don't have slow electric leaks as that can increase rust tenfold.
Clean channels along trunk weatherstrip so water flows.
Same with drain holes.
Check it yearly because rust never sleeps.
Id say lawsuit for ziebart to fix, the one 35 miles away closed, wonder why, smh
They closed the one near me as well
That crap was sprayed over rust.
It's a 2011 car that got it's first undercoat layer in the same year, no rust.
Chevrolet doesn't exactly manufacture shipwrecks.
Rusted after under the coating
@@poopipeboy3033 GM makes piles of poop
34boo no they actually come like that from the factory. It’s a terrible coating
Drew Jackson what ever you do don’t look under your dodge or f150. They are doing the same shit.
Thanks for posting this. In Europe we tend to call this kind of stuff, that goes hard, ‘Shutz’ and the rust always rots steel underneath it. I spray a waxy stuff on all my trucks when new and it seals the paint for a good while. At around five years of age it benefits from a good clean and reapplication where obviously needed but otherwise a spray of clean engine oil does the job.
Was actually thinking of getting my car undercoated.. glad i stumbled upon this video.. thanks
When I bought a brand new 1982 AMC 4X4 Eagle sedan, the car had "factory" Ziebart on the frame and body. Ziebart was very popular at the time. Around 8 years later the front passenger carpet started to smell musty. I went under the car and found that the floor had rotted away.
George Travers that sucks. those cars were ahead of their time .. 4x4 high clearance Sedan basically
It was an AMC Concord body on top of a Jeep drive train. It had great ground clearance (7") and was great in the snow.
My stepfather paid to have that crap painted on his brand new truck in 1977. By the time that truck was ten years old, it was falling off the frame. Eventually there was almost nothing connecting the bed to the frame, and the floor pans no longer existed. You had to drive it with one foot on the transmission and one on the door frame.
As always, Eric give us the facts. Thanks for the share.
Thanks for showing this. Been saying it for years. These companies should be sued.
You just saved me a lot of money and aggravation. Thank you
So basically, when using Ziebart, you are just paying someone to destroy your car.
Basically
Yep , sounds like it to me :-(
Not true. The ziebart near me has a certain way to do it so you don’t trap in moisture. I am going to get the “sound deadening” spray done. It’s 4x thicker than normal under coating. They first have to spray the under side with a rust inhibitor. They let it dry for 24 hours inside the shop. Then they spray the undercoating on. This prevents all the issues you see here. But also, Chevy trucks rust like that as is.
Long time ago I had my car rust proven at Ziebart. Several holes were drilled into the door panels and undercarriage to allow the sticky black material to be sprayed inside. Wheel wells were coated also. The car rusted so bad in 3 years due to moisture trapped in between as described. I believe galvanic corrosion was taking place between the rust made by the holes and the rest of the metal parts. Besides, the porous nature of the rubbery material was probably the culprit regardless of how careful the surface preparation was done. In fact, new car corrosion warranty can be voided if holes are made to the body. Ziebart is pretty good at paint protection though.
Well that's funny, I live in Ohio and have an 18 year old Tahoe with 300k on it that's never been stored in a garage and is driven all winter and isn't washed until spring.... and it's no where near that rusty.
This is a true story that I had to learn on my own. I bought a 2009 Silverado new. After the original frame coating started wearing off, I used to crawl underneath every year to wire brush the bad areas and reapply a spray on coating. One year I noticed the new coating falling off. I came to realize water would find a way behind the spray on coating and get trapped. I then discovered wool wax. I have now scrapped and wire brushed off all the original and the spray on I patched with. Wool wax works great, I do it every year. Take off the door seals and do behind them, hinges, the back side of the body panels that you can reach under the tail gate. I have also used a rust encapsulation product on the rear end housing etc.
Thank you for this video. My daughter bought a 78 F150 from the South and it’s rust free. However, we live in Connecticut and she wanted to get it undercoated. Thank you for saving her truck!
Sounds like a classic!
One small open area with a rubberized undercoating will allow water and salt to enter and sit right in between the coating and metal. It would have to be flawless for it to work.
I had my Jeep undercoated when I bought it, then found out what a mistake it was, a month or so later. Luckily it was only done one time, and I managed to save my truck through use of a lot of fluid film, pressure washing and many hours with a wire brush lol. My frame and suspension are luckily still in great shape. My wallet and pride, not as much.
so glad to read your reply - I made the Ziebart mistake - what a scam too! Hope I can rescue it with Krown or Fluid Film
And here I am, a car noob, thinking “Hrrm.. that stuff is probably a decent sound dampener.”
It’s a good wake up call, especially since I’m in the market for a used car right now. I’ll be sure to put a lot of research into any modifications.
Has nothing to do with the product and everything to do with the person who applied it. I live in finland and every single car is undercoated with rubberized undercoating with 0 issues.
@@NjoyMoney somehow I doubt you can speak for the condition of every car in Finland
@@Whillie_Whonka1 i never claimed i did, learn to comprehend what you read before trying to be a smartass
I use Fluid Film every fall on my 2015 Subaru Outback, and I swear by it!
Thanks for the video! I'm currently looking for a reputable place nearby that will do a good, thorough job of undercoating my recently-purchased 2022 Ram using Fluid Film, Woolwax, or similar. You saved me from the horror of even considering the rubberized undercoatings.
Glad I could help
20 years ago I had a Lincoln with air suspension that had Ziebart treatment. After two years trying to fix the air suspension, I gave up and sold it. The buyer thought he could easily fix it. I wished him luck and found out six months later he even gave up!
You missed the worst part of ZIebart: when my brother and I were small we would pick it off and throw it at each other. "Stop picking at the Ziebart!" my parents would exclaim. But we could not resist. Got it all through the carpet of the forgettable Chrysler station wagon's luxurious red carpet, and occasionally our hair. Like bubble gum but rather tarrier and worse.
Lmao
Lol any health issues develop?
@@jstew4js We both are overly fond of scotch, but I'm guessing that's hereditary rather than environmental.
Wow, I had no idea this happened! But it seems obvious now that I know. I'm glad I watched this video and know to avoid any car that's had this done 👍
Man I'm glad I watched this video, thanks for the great info, saved my car!
Applied by a 16 year old "professional"
No, anyone that uses rubberized undercoating is an idiot. It doesn't matter what age you are. Idiocy has no age bias... 😑
@@asmongoldsmouth9839 The factory body schutz coatings are miles better then this tar.
Scrotum Monster You do realize he is talking about the z technician right?
@@SteelBuckeye I don't think he does....
Best Instructional Video Yet! Wow!
You Literally Just Educated All Of Us And Save Us From A Disaster! Respect To You Sir! 😎
Great Video! Consumer Reports should use this video to warn consumers. Thank You!
Very informative video, always wondered about this stuff
Man this makes me glad to live in the south. Couldn’t imagine having to deal with stuff like that on a regular
Amen to that s*** there isn't a drop of rust on my 1997 GMC Sierra 1500 extended cab she's exactly the way she rolled off the factory with over a million miles
If you keep up with getting the salt off you can mitigate a lot of the damage. You'll still rust out, but you can slow it down significantly by just cleaning it off regularly.
Rochester,Ny here...when i take trips south i see mid 90s cars even earlier years look brand fuckinnew and here i am in my car with rusted hood and back wheel well rust and shit like damn im jealous man!! One of the things making me consider moving somewhere south.
@@murphy874 totalitarian government didn't do it but the rust is chasing you out of NY? Yankees are a different breed good lawd.
@@PukeSandwich definitely said one of the things! Theres many things chasing me out of new york
Sounds like the necessity of a class action lawsuit
There used to be several undercoating franchises in the 1970's-80's.Tuffcoat, Rusty Jones and Ziebart are the ones I remember. A class action lawsuit put Rusty Jones into bankruptcy and out of business.
About to replace the rotted out bed on my truck and I was planning on applying this all over the frame. Its advertised as locking moisture out but apparently it also locks moisture in! Guess I'm going to stick with used hydraulic fluid and fluid film for life.
Was thinking about having my 4Runner undercoated with Line-X. Glad I saw this.
I love living in the rust belt where I can wrestle and break off seized bolts, poke holes through my rocker panels and cab corners, etc. Good times!
Hell yes, party down.
Is that still a problem with the newer vehicles?
yes my uncle uses his floor as a speed gauge
raccoon681 😂😂
@@BennyBaller20 i was not joking about that there is a hole in it
Man that's wild. Something that's supposed to mitigate a problem actually making it worse.
Sounds like you've had a recent run in with a politician.
POR-15 is the only product I will use.
Never trust someone trying to sell you something
@@disht2 except as usual it was a shady business.
Kinda like the covid vaccine.
Great video ,and thanks for the knowledge
Thanks for the video. I was about to take my car in to get LineX coated, but I think I'll steer clear after seeing this. Do you have any thoughts on CRC? I've seen a video comparison of a guy trying different rust prevention products, and seemed like CRC was performing the best of them. But who knows, could have been an elaborate ad.
Man in rear with the Gear. This dude is the Scv from star craft 2. He's real man.
When i was growing up, my uncle would do an oil change on his car every summer. He would then paint the old oil over the underside of his car. Never had any welding! 😎
Sadly old engine oil is only minimally better than leaving it unprotected. Way too thin to not get washed off (and that's bad not only for the car) and it's building up a dirt layer .. and dirt loves to hold moisture advocating rust.
I can recommend project farm on RUclips. He is very thorough with his tests.
@@SpaceShipDeathstar the only time the used engine oil trick works if you have a persistent oil leak that is constantly spraying hot oil around .won't protect the rear chassis mind only halfway down .I guess if he changed his oil three times a year it would have some benefit.they say old gearbox is good as its more clingy but your vehicle safety cert inspector will hate you .
@@SpaceShipDeathstar the only time the used engine oil trick works if you have a persistent oil leak that is constantly spraying hot oil around .won't protect the rear chassis mind only halfway down .I guess if he changed his oil three times a year it would have some benefit.they say old gearbox is good as its more clingy but your vehicle safety cert inspector will hate you .
100% sir!!! I ONLT use the ‘wet’ undercoatings done annually, but this rubber stuff is garbage and shouldn’t be allowed to sell it without a huge warning on the products for what they do to the body & frame. Honestly, just having the rust is probably better as you can AT LEAST see where it is and find out where it’s just surface defects and actually penetrating the steel. Appreciate the video. It needs to be seen by a lot more people, especially those that live/drive up north in the “rust belt”.
God bless~
The scariest part is just how many tens of thousands (likely more) vehicles are rolling down the road nearly completely rusted/rotted in half. At least here in the south a car usually gets 20-30 years before getting anywhere near this bad.
Ziebart was crap way back in the day, looks like it still is...
Wish I knew this year's ago when I used a rubberized product on my Prelude. The rust was thriving beneath the coating out of sight. When oil coatings became popular I started using them exclusively with exceptional results. Rust Check is an easy do it yourself product and if you're diligent an thorough you'll keep the rust away for a very long time.
Loved those cars. FIrst car was a 4th Gen Prelude. Sexy curves!!
Rust check for the win! I wish id know about the product before learning the hard way about rubberized undercoating. Bye bye rear bumper 😅
This kind of shit is the worst. My work won’t refuse ANY work. Corporate ass hats. They also usually won’t get additional labor for repairs like this.
I've got a '97 Type SH that was clearly a desert car. It must have sat out in the sun for 20 years because the paint is absolutely deep fried, but the car is entirely rust-free. It's got a couple of major dents that are purely cosmetic so I'm not sure if I'll have the body work done. I really just want to enjoy my car. It only gets driven on sunny days. I'd like for it to still be working another 10-15 years.
Wow😳so glad you put out this video quite a eye opener.
Wow, that's an eye opener. Thanks!