Yes, can we also once and for all have answered - IS IT CANON? And by what metric. And if it is, what does it say for angelic, vs human, free will? Especially given hereditary curses, et al. And it does seem like a lot of apostles believed it, because it got quoted from at times.
@@christopherp.8868 My guess is that before canon was established it varied from place to place. Some people would follow some apocryphal texts but not others. I'm very curious to hear what the truth of the matter is.
@@TOBAPNW_ exactly, Like since there wasn't a canon back then I am curious as to what was believed/practiced. Like how should we overall view the apocryphal texts? like were they just fan fiction or did people actually believe in them?
@@christopherp.8868 I don't know if the care would have been taken to preserve these texts and the information in them if they had have been just one or a handful of scholars speculations on the nature of the Bible. But that's just my (fairly uneducated in the matter) opinion.
Always thought it was so interesting that Enoch lived for 365 years before being taken by God. The same amount of days in a year written thousands of years ago.
Simple, our perspective is based on our eyes ability to process light. Light has to travel through space in order to go from a to b. So light also experiences a form of “time” that we do not, because we are limited to perspective bound by the confines of that light. If something were made of light and experiencing that layer of time, it would make sense that a thousand of years in the lower layer of time would only equal a single day in the higher level. Now as for how we could know the exact relationship between the two I have no idea
Wait a minute, 2nd Enoch starts by retelling 1st Enoch in a sort "remake" fashion, and then expands on the story? This sounds oddly similar to Evil Dead 1 and 2 to me.
@@BlackLotusVisualArchive But 50 Shades simply takes the same themes of Twilight and uses them in a new plot. Second Enoch is an updated retelling of the _Same_ story.
Nowadays we distinguish so sharply between fiction and nonfiction - between, say, a “Dune” and an “Astronomy 101” - that it’s hard to imagine a time when the border between the two approaches to Truth was so porous. I wonder: Would the authors of these apocrypha have been aware that they were *inventing* fabulous mirrors of reality or would they believe themselves to be channels of divine - and therefore factual - information? Are these books “The DaVinci Code” of their day? Or is the question so bound up to our own time that it makes no sense even to ask it?
The bell curve of education and intelligence have always been present, but was probably more tricky to define in an era where truth and fiction was hard to prove different from eachother.
The problem is that we tend to look at it from our point of view where if someone were to write a book like Enoch today they could do it on their own without any source or prior tradition and just make it up. Thus, fiction. However, when whoever wrote the various books in the Enoch Literary Universe (ELU) were writing their books, they were very likely just putting to papyrus (or vellum) the distilled "knowledge" of several generations of a mystical tradition. To them, this would have been "science", and what they were doing was simply chronicling and preserving "knowledge". They had no reason to think their elders and teachers were lying or making things up, and those elders and teachers probably didn't know they were making things up or passing on their own modifications to the ELU in a mystical game of telephone. The people who started the ELU probably also had no idea they were inventing stuff because each would have come up with just this one piece of the ELU, heard some other piece from some other guy next door, then passed on that piece and their own in modified form to make them work together in the ELU. After a few generations (which took far less time back then) we'd end up with this convoluted "history" and tradition that probably started with just one guy asking the question, "Hey, what the heck is a Nephilim?" This ELU thing is a great tool for explaining this. So, Stan Lee's writers came up with these characters but they were all just good guys in costumes beating up bad guys, then Jack Kirby came up with the cosmic stuff and upped everyone's power levels, then some other writers came in and added more stuff making things weird, then Josh Whedon came in and tried to make everything work together, then Kevin Feige tied everything business-wise and hired a huge team of creative artists to make sure the MCU works even with all the internal contradictions. Voila!
This is a super interesting question. I personally lean towards them seeing themselves as channels of the Devine as we have channeled books today that are written by spirits through mediums or frauds depending on your beliefs
@@andrewsuryali8540 There are some parallels in the world of fanfic for this. In fandom circles, you can sometimes have 'fanon' - ideas about the characters or settings that get repeated but aren't necessarily in the canon source material or attributable to any one person - either the fandom collectively completely made it up or it originated from a spin-off property/mistranslation/something the author said as a joke one time. Usually, most participants in the fandom are aware of what is and isn't fanon, as modern audiences usually have the benefit of constant and relatively universal access to the source material, but even then stuff slips through and people can forget. The interesting thing about fanon is that it tends to accumulate around the parts of a fandom people find most interesting or compelling - that one enigmatic character, or that one detour to a really interesting place within the world. Against that context, I might speculate that the authors of Second Enoch looked at the corpus of Jewish/Christian literature and felt that apocalyptic tales of fallen angels and journeys to heaven really caught their imaginations. Which I completely understand!
Since all mythology builds on previous ones in some way, my new thesis is “everything is fanfiction”. I haven’t been published yet, but I expect to be.
The New Testement validates The Book Of Eoch. John reffers to the Book of Enoch. doh!!!!! Books and 2 are not that different. You just have to know the Astrological message. You need to know where to be standing on earth and you need to look at the bible and know which is the declination and the ascention. like when it says on the 7 months on the 7 day. died 365. 7 hours 7 degrees 365 year revolution. Not only that the signs the zodiac not always numbers in the bible. The partirachs as well as the 2 treibes o fisreal are the zodiac , the mazaroth, one more thing Milli Vanilli was setup!#freemilli
I've been fascinated by Enoch for many years, probably ever since I saw Metatron in the Shin Megami Tensei series portrayed as a giant robotic angel. Another interesting game dealing with Enoch is "El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron". The art direction shows the archangels as talking swans, as well as the Nephilim being gooey, balloon-like beings. Great video, sir!
remember the name Metatron is a Greek word so it's source will be dated far after any relevant ancient Hebrew text. It's a 2nd century invention and nothing more.
Melchizedek is also in the SMT series as a purple gold robot angel. It’s cool to see how the designs strive to be creative yet faithful to the original depictions.
@@braggsean1026 the name metatron is from 3rd enoch which has traditions with hebrew mysticism more than Greek. 3 enoch isnt ancient (by the standards of that time) but the sources arent greek.
I call for a canonization of the Books of Enoch. The New Testament authors did view them as scriptural and so did many of the first church fathers, and they gave the biblical story more background. If all Christians had read Enoch no one would even be asking whether God really had to destroy the world with the flood, Enoch gives a far better and justifiable explanation. I'd love to see Enoch narrated by Tim Mackie in Bible Project.
I think first enoch is canon in terms of whatever the bible mentions would by definition be canon. Jude mentions enoch, but not just as someone mentioned in the old testament, but enoch is spoken of in a way that is a direct refernce to enoch 1, speaking of things prophesied. It's also interesting that the early church fathers while all establishing what was heresy and fueding with gnostics a significant amount of them had no beef with enoch, some even citing it as authoritative scripture. Ethiopian sects seem to be the only ones that see Enoch 1 as canon.
@@PaintedHoundie Biblical writers more than once quote world's books and authors and that doesn't make it Canon or inspired. Nowhere in scriptures do any rough allusions to Enoch mention the lord saying or anything the biblical writers do. This is why I don't listen to people like you
@@jonathansoko5368 it doesnt make much sense with this criteria of "if its in the bible its inspired" to then say "just because a biblical author mentions it doesnt mean its inspired". we're not talking about just any quote ever, but if a book is mentioned, like when the book of jasher is mentioned in the old testament. enoch 1:9 titles enoch the seventh from adam. jude quotes this directly as well as a prophecy from enoch in that epistle. i didnt say what i saiid for no reason. you can just read enoch or the verses jude is making a direct reference to.
Another well done video. How insanely and ridiculously hard would it be to make a series of videos that break down the books of Enoch on a chapter by chapter basis (or at least broken into manageable chunks, whatever their size)? I'm probably not the only one who would devour such a series...not by a long shot. 🤔
Dear RFB: I hope some day you'll do a video (series) on the pseudepigrapha, especially 4 Ezra and 2 Baruch. James M. Charlesworth showed their heavy interdependence with the O.T. AND N.T., in his two-volume opus back in the 80s. Thanks in advance!
As a Bulgarian myself I can tell you that the Bogomils are long forgotten. Which is a sad thing. The more I dig the more fascinating they are. It's weird how Bulgarians have forgotten something so great and influential. Also Slavonic = Bulgarian. You can also check the history of Cyrillic alphabet. There is so much stuff that happened in Bulgaria ... And I'm talking about Bulgaria as a coutnry, not the territory and nations prior to it. Because the oldest gold treasure in the world is from here as well. Basically - you can produce at least 5 series around Bulgaria.
This is a really fascinating video, thanks for sharing it. I am interested in finding out more about Enoch and Malchizedec. Could you post your sources or suggestions for further reading? I have read Zacharia Sitchins work and watched Mauro Bigliano's presentations. Very fascinating to follow the trail of humanity back before time. It seems like you are on that track too. I am interested in hearing more about the trail of crumbs that you are following so I can follow it too.
Melchizedek btw Michael archangel his blessing of being a priest by nature cures the Levite lol anyway it’s the Holy Ghost is beyond over it that’s her baby all given to Jehovah no it was the Queen The Lady the Giver of life she’s become excastic when Mary agrees to the Incarnation after spiritual can’t give birth that’s i the Rome in some part may have left it go in the rosary I’s praise i to God The Holy Spiirit but is indeed just every bit our Mother as she is to Jesus and we have no father natures really does not it as the man leaves his and clings to the Woman father and son are friends fraternity etc i love it
The Books of Enoch remind me of the fab 4 (Matthew Mark Luke John). Each book is an expansion on the story before it. Basically each book is the same similar story with a new POV added
yep if you read the gospels chronologically, as far as what experts have said, starting with Mark, you see Matthew and Luke correcting and expanfong on things. Then John at the end is like guys I'll take it from here.
I love your videos, they're well structured and concise making learning accessible and enjoyable. I would really appreciate if you could add subtitles to your videos as well so that deaf/hard of hearing audiences can also enjoy and benefit! Thank you!
I find Enoch's role as "the Heavenly Scribe" or "Scribe of Righteousness" throughout many ancient scriptures, such as the Gospel of Bartholomew, Gospel of Nicodemas, Apocalypse of Paul, and others. Enoch is the one who writes (with his miraculous speed-writing pen) all of humanity's good and bad deeds, and is the author/scribe of the Book of Life plus 366 books about knowledge and wisdom to give to his descendants. Me and my siblings grew up on 1 and 2 Enoch, and considered them holy and authoritative. The passages about the treatment of animals and "not perverting the instructions of your fathers" were gold, equal to the Bible. Our version, however, did not contain the part about Melchiszedek. I question the orthodoxy of that section, but we still regard 1 and 2 Enoch as holy Scripture (minus the Melchizedek part!).
As an aside, there are a group of pagan Israelis who are trying to reconstruct Semitic Paganism. They worship the fire god El as the head of their pantheon instead of as a monotheistic god. El's wife Asherah, the goddess of seas and rivers, is also worshiped beside him. They even brought back Asherah poles, something that was explicitly forbidden in the Old Testament yet was common among the pagan ancient Israelites/Canaanites.
Do Pistis-Sophia brother... Loved this one, have known of and had a copy of Book of Enoch for decades, didn't know of 2 or 3 for that matter until now, excellent work, you're doing a lot for Humanity, Respect to you...
Can't wait for the video on The Third Book of Enoch. Read them all and enjoyed them quite a bit, but the third one was really hard to understand compared to the previous ones.
Fascinating video that made me think of the Islamic figure of Al-Khidr, "The Green One". In some versions he has been equated with Idris (i.e. Enoch). Others have equated him with Melchizedek or the prophet Elijah, and even Christian saints like St. George, and non-Abrahamic gods like Vishnu, Hermes, and Thoth. So he could make an interesting topic for another video.
Idris I believe is Santa Clause because originally Santa Clause is dressed in Green like Khidr. Only later Coca Cola made him dress in red. Also Santa Clause is wise and never dies like Khidr.
@@oreste8570 Santa Claus could also make an interesting topic for a video. He's a fusion of different religious figures like Saint Nicholas, Odin, and the British Father Christmas who in turn could be influenced by the pagan Green Man (which could explain the green suit). Then there are related figures like Krampus, and similar figures like the Iranian Amu Nowruz, and the six Santa-like characters of Siberia. As for Siberia, Santa himself is also influenced by Siberian Shamanism.
Pan is the Slavic word for Lord, or Baal, the god of fertility, Tammuz, Osiris, Hunamun, Cernunnos, Queztlcoatyl, it's the constellations of Orion and Serpentis, who sleep with their mother, it's Amun, the Egyptian/ Iberian Moon God, based on the Metonic cycle found in the Antikythera mechanism and inscribed on the Golden Enoch Horns of the Magi /Druids, worshippers of Kybele, tended by the Galatian Eunuch, who shaved the tops of their heads to worship El, the Moon
Just like the analysis of Enoch 1, this analysis of Enoch 2 is great... interesting and educational. I am subscribed and looking forward for Enoch 3, and hopefully on other "lost" books as well, like Book of Peter, Book of Mary, etc.
Both the "Gospel" of Peter and the "gospel" of Mary are just small fragments of the original books. Neither was written by the people in the title or even had a title. As I said they are just a few verses in each case and written long after the events they pretend to give witness to. Again useless but you are welcome to read them. They say nothing shocking. Peter is silly with a walking talking cross.
I love your content! Very informative! Thanks for all the knowledge you give us. I was wondering if you can do a video on purgatory and it’s origins and meaning. I think it would be very enlightening
I love this so much & wanna learn more 😭😭😭, but I can’t stop thinking that the Book of Enoch really seems like a startup kit of what everything was/is going to happen. Kinda like a early revelations before revelations
Thank you for the detailed video (and finally the continuation of the Enoch videos^^) Reading Enoch felt a lot like reading the Silmarilion. Still, very interesting topic to say thd least :)
Except that the Simarillian was written by a far better author and hopefully you knew it was fiction and that its author, Tolkien, intended you to know. TGhe books of Enoch are just badly written nonsense, like they were written by a 12 year old.
Strange I dreamt about a scene of second enoch as a child in which I was in what I percieved to be a lower part or level of heaven and saw these giant angelic beings that had no wings and their faces looked withered, and they were mourning. And there were thousands of them. Later on I discovered the Book of Enoch and read that very scene in 2 Enoch. I found out later these were the watchers. Which explained their more humanoid angelic giant look.
Great video as always! Could you do a video on religion in Tolkien's works and what the influences for his pantheon in the Silmarillion and other books were?
There seems to be 2 Enoch’s in the Bible . The first one appears in Genesis 4:17 as the son of Cain and Cain decides to name a city after him…..In Genesis 5:18, Jared has a son also named Enoch and it is this Enoch that walks with God…. It’s probably two different Enoch’s separated by a few thousand years.🙂
According to Jewish tradition, Malkizadek was Shem, one of the sons of Noach. Ya'akov learned in Shem's school for over a decade before going to find his future wives at his uncle's house, Lavan.
You remind me of the cousin of Professor Duncan from Community, but the one that actually when to university and was responsible with his learning process and accuracy of his investigation. Longtime watcher but I'm commenting until know, anyway thank you very much for your deep unbiased videos. As someone who left the organized religions I find your videos super educative and full of historical context to understand the scriptures as they must be, not making any interpretation fitting my interest. Thanks for all your videos :)
The idea of a protos-Jesus was something that came up with the church fathers from Ireanus to Augustine to modern thinkers like C.S. Lewis and Fr. Richard Rohr. "For what is now called the Christian religion existed even among the ancients and was not lacking from the beginning of the human race" st. Augustine "There are people in other religions who are being led by God’s secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it … For example a Buddhist of good will may be led to concentrate more and more on the Buddhist teaching about mercy and to leave in the background (though he might still say he believed) the Buddhist teaching on certain points. Many of the good Pagans long before Christ’s birth may have been in this position” C..S Lewis "Did the Divinity need to wait for ethnic Orthodox, Roman Catholics, European protestants, and American evangelicals to appear before the divine love affair could begin? I cannot imagine" Richard Rohr
The tree of Life was removed from the garden. I always wondered if that was Jesus. Enoch has always interested me and the when it was written feels Greek in time. I wished people would take the books serious enough to find out.
Malkhitsedek in Hebrew can mean "My king (malkhi) justice (tsedek)". But it can also mean "King of justice" where "i" is a remnant of an older case system that still exists in Quranic Arabic and existed in Akkadian.
Great video. At around the 9:00 minute mark you mention that the DSS compare the souls of the righteous dead to angels. Could you point me to more details on this?
All the books of Enoch seems be different fragments that can be recognised as three different books. Are all books so different that it's easy to see what fragment is from what book? I wonder if some fragments just evolved into Enoch II or III, but maybe there's just not enough time between the different versions for this.
At 6:04, apocalypse doesn't translate to "revelation" but to "unveiling". The removing of a veil has greater meaning given the role veils played in Biblical writings.
Given the popularity of 1 Enoch amongst the early Christian community, do we know or have working theories why it was rejected from canon despite being referenced in the New Testament? Was it theological controversy over Enoch's position near God or as a God like being?
It’s amazing how big of an influence the Enochs had on the general view of the Bible. A lot of Enoch is taken as fact even tho it isn’t in the Bible. Kinda neat
I have Enoch 1, now you have peaked my interest in getting this book too! Have you read " The Bible in India ", it's a fascinating read too. Now whether there is truth to what is written, still a fascinating read!
The multi levels of Heaven-very similar to the Vedas and Upanishads. (Mandukya? It’s been MANY years). I also remember different levels of the Lower World. If I remember correctly, also in Buddhism (Tibetan Book of the Dead), considering Buddha began as a Vedic Scholar-it’s not surprising. I’m listening and typing at the same time…did scripture writers all have the same Professor? This is fascinating, I wish I had more time to get into these comparative religious readings. My professors always said I would be a “perpetual student”. Many years ago while living and working at an Indian Ashram, my Uncle, an atypical Catholic Priest who was fascinated with philosophies, faith dogma and history from around the world. He spent almost 50 years in the Andes as..a rather unconventional missionary...came to visit me. Uncle Bob was more concerned about his ancient Ecuadorean and Bolivian villages, with building hospitals, community education centers, schools, farms and infrastructure for running water and sewage-than converting the local indigenous Natives. He actually concelebrated “mass” with village Shamans-especially during local and church-related Holidays. (One of my most treasured pictures is him, dressed in a white cassock, (decorated by local embroidery and sashes), walking through a village leading a mule with a villager carrying a cross, accompanied by a much ornately dressed Shaman.). He got himself into hot water with the church on more than a few occasions; but luckily, he has always had friends in “higher places”. Also, his parishioners adored him. He recruited professionals from his first Church in the US, to help him in his endeavors in the Andes. Some doctors, professors, contractors and engineers; returned year after year until the church and his health demanded retirement at about age 80. He continued to return to the village, (as did the professionals, their children and grandchildren)yearly, up until about 5 years ago at age 86. I think we all put our foot down when he went missing for about a week, after a large earthquake-he was just riding around, mostly on horses and mules, checking on his old friends. He thought we were all crazy for worrying..which, in a way, I guess we were in a way. He absolutely loved it there and loves his “friends”. (He STILL facetimes with many villagers and even this past year was very excited to help some kids get accepted and get full scholarships to US Universities..something he was telling me about a few days ago in our weekly call. Anyways, back to the ashram. Uncle Bob had planned on a short weekend visit..he stayed for just over a month, making friends with Pandits, Swami’s and local professionals. One of the biggest points of discussion was the fascinating similarities between ancient Eastern Indian Beliefs and Ancient Western, South American, Indian beliefs. Shortly after he left, my children and I also left and moved to Pennsylvania, where a college my Uncle had lectured at, offered..I believe a degree in comparative religious studies. I already had enough degrees, but my Uncle was able to get them to agree to allow me to audit the classes. I WAS concerned about their affiliation with the church, (I hadn’t been to mass in 40 years and had no desire to return). For the most part, I had no issues, (one nun and a priest from India could be a bit overbearing…nothing I couldn’t handle), AND, I was “blessed” with an extremely open-minded professor who taught most of the classes. He gave me his copy of Elaine Pagel’s books in the 2nd week..I KNEW we would get along. I was there for most of about 4 years, absorbing as much as I could in between work, kids and life. But, alas, whether it’s my gift of ADD..OR I was just ready for my next adventure… I still have most of my books I had planned on giving my dear, very like-minded Son. Unfortunately, he passed away in June from post-virus complications. Hopefully I’ll find a young person who would appreciate these books on different faiths and philosophies. This was a topic my son and I could talk for hours about..I miss that. But, I am now taking on his legacy of attempting to learn Chinese, reading and talking about Chinese history and culture through his friends and some elders and professors in China his friends have introduced me to. Now, I just need to improve my health so I can actually visit this country and people that my son fell in love with! Thank you for some fantastic videos!
UHH, thias is exactly the same as the Book of Mormon - a book written long after the events related by a slimey liar claiming someone else wrote the book. There is nothing both new and true in ANY of these books, just a few slivers stolen from the real Bible.
Church Slavonic is simply Bulgarian as it was in the 9th century. That is when, St. Cyril and St. Methodius translated the Bible in Bulgarian and one of their other major accomplishments was enabling liturgies to be held in Bulgarian. At the time the church only allowed it in Latin and Greek. Their students (also Bulgarian) created the Cyrillic script that is used by most Slavic nations to this day and used it to spread Christianity to all of Eastern Europe.
No you don't. You know that old saying about alcohol killing your brain cells? You don't have enough brain cells to deal with CFP's rationalizations. No one does...
I really enjoy your videos and have been wondering if you're planning to ever do one on the Gospel of Nicodemus, given how little content there is on it on RUclips, cheers!
I have wishlisted the 1 Enoch edition/version recommended in the previous video on Enoch, what version/edition of 2 Enoch was used/is recommended here?
For 1 Enoch, I recommend The Hermeneia Translation, which can be bought on Amazon. 2 Enoch is shorter, and a free version is available on Marquette University's website: www.marquette.edu/maqom/slavonicenoch.html
72- “And Michael took the child(Melkisedek/priest of all holy priest) on the same night on which he had come down; and he took him on his wings, and he placed him in the paradise of Edom. •And Nir got up in the morning. He went into his tent and he did not find the child. And there was instead of joy very great grief, because he had no other son except this one. •Thus Nir(father in law/last priest before the flood)ended his life.”
Can you share more about how the early church decided to keep certain books in the Bible vs others? And why the Catholic and Protestant bibles are different?
Will you ever do a video specifically on the Nephilim? I've heard some theories that they were other people's gods or were fallen angels or (imo most likely) fallen soldiers of another culture. I would love to hear about it in your style and see what we actually know about them
11:24 I don't know if either this is a coincidence, but the name Melchizedek and its meaning 'My king is righteous' sounded similar to the Arabic words for for king - Malik or Malk and righteous or this case truthful - Siddiq. Melchizedek or Malik Al-Siddiq(the truthful king, ruler etc.)
I really enjoy your videos, you explain things very well. I’ve lay studied first century biblical history for 20 plus years and you always add to my knowledge. Thanks!!
Does anyone know why the Jewish people took such a hard turn into Apocalyptic literature? Like, why did the afterlife go from being vague and abstract to being extremely vivid and horrifying with armies of ineffable angels and demons constantly locked in battle?
Good question. My guess is that they were attacked by major powers of their era over and over again, exiled, invaded etc, so they got traumatised. If you have time and enjoy such topics watch Old Testament lectures by Christine Hayes of Yale University.
The armies of angels or seraphim and cherubim, and demons come from the Babylonian mythologies. So much of their theology derives from Babylonian/Mesopotamian mythology that came during the Babylonian exile and whatnot. You should look into Babylonian/Mesopotamian mythology.
@John LaBonte, not all Jewish people. One strain of Jewish thought went down the apocalyptic route, arguably a minor one, since the very different rabbinical Judaism eventually became the standard.
Just found your channel... I'm in love and gonna watch everything eventually, have you done anything covering Abraham's house next to the Zigarot in Iraq
So... is Melchizedek the name of Jesus? Aka Yeshua the Christ? For yeshua the Christ is supposed to be a title. Or was he a second Jesus case where he then took on the role “michael” or “mikael?” So many questions.
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Did people during these times worship/believe in the apocryphas? Or were they not part of the overall religion?
Yes, can we also once and for all have answered - IS IT CANON? And by what metric.
And if it is, what does it say for angelic, vs human, free will? Especially given hereditary curses, et al.
And it does seem like a lot of apostles believed it, because it got quoted from at times.
@@christopherp.8868 My guess is that before canon was established it varied from place to place. Some people would follow some apocryphal texts but not others. I'm very curious to hear what the truth of the matter is.
@@TOBAPNW_ exactly, Like since there wasn't a canon back then I am curious as to what was believed/practiced. Like how should we overall view the apocryphal texts? like were they just fan fiction or did people actually believe in them?
@@christopherp.8868 I don't know if the care would have been taken to preserve these texts and the information in them if they had have been just one or a handful of scholars speculations on the nature of the Bible. But that's just my (fairly uneducated in the matter) opinion.
The first Enoch was so good that they decided to make another one!!
They should make a 3rd Enoch…
@@ReligionForBreakfast I'll get right on that
@@afaegfsgsdef It already exists tho
@@ReligionForBreakfast Oh yeah, that's the one with the prophets Lizlimon and Trachyjordania right?
@@ReligionForBreakfast They did, but it went straight to video.
*Enoch II: This time, it's personal* (to be spoken by a deep movie-trailer voice)
(In Continued deep voice) The Watchers better watch... their... backs...!
Oh God, I remember the Scorcher 5 trailer.
Enoch II: Retribution or Enoch II: Re-noch
Enoch: Re-Loaded
Renoch😂😂😂😂
Always thought it was so interesting that Enoch lived for 365 years before being taken by God. The same amount of days in a year written thousands of years ago.
In heaven, a day is a thousand years and thousand years is a day.
A year in the Gentile calendar*
@YYY MMM It's in the Bible. 2 Peter 3:8.
@Censored Opinions How can you "prove" what is said about the Kingdom of Heaven? It's entirely faith based.
Simple, our perspective is based on our eyes ability to process light. Light has to travel through space in order to go from a to b. So light also experiences a form of “time” that we do not, because we are limited to perspective bound by the confines of that light. If something were made of light and experiencing that layer of time, it would make sense that a thousand of years in the lower layer of time would only equal a single day in the higher level. Now as for how we could know the exact relationship between the two I have no idea
Wait a minute, 2nd Enoch starts by retelling 1st Enoch in a sort "remake" fashion, and then expands on the story? This sounds oddly similar to Evil Dead 1 and 2 to me.
Underrated comment 👍
This was one of the reasons why I think Enoch is so hard to reconcile with the rest of scripture. It feels soo man-made.
Cant wait for the wacky badass Enoch in the 3th part
Hail to the King (and priest), baby
Groovy.
Your breakdown on dating and source materials was absolutely fantastic. Even though we don't get a solid date the methodology explained was superb
So it’s like the “extended version” with director’s commentary?
Or like a "Remastered Edition". :))
Would it be like the “Snyder Cut” of antiquity?
Fanfic of a fanfic. Essentially like how 50 Shades of Gray is a fanfic of a Twilight fanfic
@@BlackLotusVisualArchive But 50 Shades simply takes the same themes of Twilight and uses them in a new plot. Second Enoch is an updated retelling of the _Same_ story.
Nowadays we distinguish so sharply between fiction and nonfiction - between, say, a “Dune” and an “Astronomy 101” - that it’s hard to imagine a time when the border between the two approaches to Truth was so porous.
I wonder: Would the authors of these apocrypha have been aware that they were *inventing* fabulous mirrors of reality or would they believe themselves to be channels of divine - and therefore factual - information?
Are these books “The DaVinci Code” of their day?
Or is the question so bound up to our own time that it makes no sense even to ask it?
The bell curve of education and intelligence have always been present, but was probably more tricky to define in an era where truth and fiction was hard to prove different from eachother.
The problem is that we tend to look at it from our point of view where if someone were to write a book like Enoch today they could do it on their own without any source or prior tradition and just make it up. Thus, fiction. However, when whoever wrote the various books in the Enoch Literary Universe (ELU) were writing their books, they were very likely just putting to papyrus (or vellum) the distilled "knowledge" of several generations of a mystical tradition. To them, this would have been "science", and what they were doing was simply chronicling and preserving "knowledge". They had no reason to think their elders and teachers were lying or making things up, and those elders and teachers probably didn't know they were making things up or passing on their own modifications to the ELU in a mystical game of telephone. The people who started the ELU probably also had no idea they were inventing stuff because each would have come up with just this one piece of the ELU, heard some other piece from some other guy next door, then passed on that piece and their own in modified form to make them work together in the ELU. After a few generations (which took far less time back then) we'd end up with this convoluted "history" and tradition that probably started with just one guy asking the question, "Hey, what the heck is a Nephilim?"
This ELU thing is a great tool for explaining this. So, Stan Lee's writers came up with these characters but they were all just good guys in costumes beating up bad guys, then Jack Kirby came up with the cosmic stuff and upped everyone's power levels, then some other writers came in and added more stuff making things weird, then Josh Whedon came in and tried to make everything work together, then Kevin Feige tied everything business-wise and hired a huge team of creative artists to make sure the MCU works even with all the internal contradictions. Voila!
This is a super interesting question. I personally lean towards them seeing themselves as channels of the Devine as we have channeled books today that are written by spirits through mediums or frauds depending on your beliefs
@@andrewsuryali8540 There are some parallels in the world of fanfic for this. In fandom circles, you can sometimes have 'fanon' - ideas about the characters or settings that get repeated but aren't necessarily in the canon source material or attributable to any one person - either the fandom collectively completely made it up or it originated from a spin-off property/mistranslation/something the author said as a joke one time. Usually, most participants in the fandom are aware of what is and isn't fanon, as modern audiences usually have the benefit of constant and relatively universal access to the source material, but even then stuff slips through and people can forget.
The interesting thing about fanon is that it tends to accumulate around the parts of a fandom people find most interesting or compelling - that one enigmatic character, or that one detour to a really interesting place within the world. Against that context, I might speculate that the authors of Second Enoch looked at the corpus of Jewish/Christian literature and felt that apocalyptic tales of fallen angels and journeys to heaven really caught their imaginations. Which I completely understand!
@@merrymachiavelli2041 And that's how "heresies" are born, lol.
Heck, I've been calling it the 'Paradise Lost Expanded Universe', but 'Enoch Literary Universe' is way catchier
The book of Enoch should be known as the first fan fiction of history.
Since all mythology builds on previous ones in some way, my new thesis is “everything is fanfiction”. I haven’t been published yet, but I expect to be.
@@eightfootmanchild If you think about it, Judaism is actually a crossover of Ancient Israelite religion, Sumerian religion and Zoroastrianism.
The New Testement validates The Book Of Eoch. John reffers to the Book of Enoch. doh!!!!!
Books and 2 are not that different. You just have to know the Astrological message. You need to know where to be standing on earth and you need to look at the bible and know which is the declination and the ascention. like when it says on the 7 months on the 7 day. died 365. 7 hours 7 degrees 365 year revolution. Not only that the signs the zodiac not always numbers in the bible. The partirachs as well as the 2 treibes o fisreal are the zodiac , the mazaroth,
one more thing
Milli Vanilli was setup!#freemilli
Aeneid?
@@ashzole What a mess.
I've been fascinated by Enoch for many years, probably ever since I saw Metatron in the Shin Megami Tensei series portrayed as a giant robotic angel. Another interesting game dealing with Enoch is "El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron". The art direction shows the archangels as talking swans, as well as the Nephilim being gooey, balloon-like beings. Great video, sir!
remember the name Metatron is a Greek word so it's source will be dated far after any relevant ancient Hebrew text. It's a 2nd century invention and nothing more.
Melchizedek is also in the SMT series as a purple gold robot angel. It’s cool to see how the designs strive to be creative yet faithful to the original depictions.
@@ElCampeador99 Indeed, he is, great point! I really like his design as well. It has a Super Sentai feel to it.
@@braggsean1026 the name metatron is from 3rd enoch which has traditions with hebrew mysticism more than Greek. 3 enoch isnt ancient (by the standards of that time) but the sources arent greek.
@@PaintedHoundie well its not like metatron is an english word...
Oh dear, it's Enoch's Literally Universe now...
Enoch vs Melchizedek: Dawn of Justice when?
Beat me to it
"What about Enoch?"
"We already have it."
"We have one, yes, but what about second Enoch?"
You're sly. Here have a cookie for second breakfast. 😼
I call for a canonization of the Books of Enoch. The New Testament authors did view them as scriptural and so did many of the first church fathers, and they gave the biblical story more background. If all Christians had read Enoch no one would even be asking whether God really had to destroy the world with the flood, Enoch gives a far better and justifiable explanation. I'd love to see Enoch narrated by Tim Mackie in Bible Project.
I think first enoch is canon in terms of whatever the bible mentions would by definition be canon. Jude mentions enoch, but not just as someone mentioned in the old testament, but enoch is spoken of in a way that is a direct refernce to enoch 1, speaking of things prophesied.
It's also interesting that the early church fathers while all establishing what was heresy and fueding with gnostics a significant amount of them had no beef with enoch, some even citing it as authoritative scripture. Ethiopian sects seem to be the only ones that see Enoch 1 as canon.
You'd be wrong and no
@@PaintedHoundie Biblical writers more than once quote world's books and authors and that doesn't make it Canon or inspired. Nowhere in scriptures do any rough allusions to Enoch mention the lord saying or anything the biblical writers do. This is why I don't listen to people like you
The apostle Paul quoted Epimenides on two occasions, but that doesn't mean Epimenides' works are inspired or that they should be canon.
@@jonathansoko5368 it doesnt make much sense with this criteria of "if its in the bible its inspired" to then say "just because a biblical author mentions it doesnt mean its inspired". we're not talking about just any quote ever, but if a book is mentioned, like when the book of jasher is mentioned in the old testament.
enoch 1:9 titles enoch the seventh from adam. jude quotes this directly as well as a prophecy from enoch in that epistle. i didnt say what i saiid for no reason. you can just read enoch or the verses jude is making a direct reference to.
4:03. I can’t help but imagine some Roman dude searching for his lost sandal
Another well done video.
How insanely and ridiculously hard would it be to make a series of videos that break down the books of Enoch on a chapter by chapter basis (or at least broken into manageable chunks, whatever their size)?
I'm probably not the only one who would devour such a series...not by a long shot. 🤔
Dear RFB:
I hope some day you'll do a video (series) on the pseudepigrapha, especially 4 Ezra and 2 Baruch.
James M. Charlesworth showed their heavy interdependence with the O.T. AND N.T., in his two-volume opus back in the 80s.
Thanks in advance!
In 3rd Enoch, the titular character becomes a Jedi, makes amends with his father, and defeats the Empire of Rome.
As a Bulgarian myself I can tell you that the Bogomils are long forgotten. Which is a sad thing. The more I dig the more fascinating they are. It's weird how Bulgarians have forgotten something so great and influential.
Also Slavonic = Bulgarian. You can also check the history of Cyrillic alphabet. There is so much stuff that happened in Bulgaria ... And I'm talking about Bulgaria as a coutnry, not the territory and nations prior to it. Because the oldest gold treasure in the world is from here as well. Basically - you can produce at least 5 series around Bulgaria.
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This is a really fascinating video, thanks for sharing it. I am interested in finding out more about Enoch and Malchizedec. Could you post your sources or suggestions for further reading? I have read Zacharia Sitchins work and watched Mauro Bigliano's presentations. Very fascinating to follow the trail of humanity back before time. It seems like you are on that track too. I am interested in hearing more about the trail of crumbs that you are following so I can follow it too.
Melchizedek btw Michael archangel his blessing of being a priest by nature cures the Levite lol anyway it’s the Holy Ghost is beyond over it that’s her baby all given to Jehovah no it was the Queen The Lady the Giver of life she’s become excastic when Mary agrees to the Incarnation after spiritual can’t give birth that’s i the Rome in some part may have left it go in the rosary I’s praise i to God The Holy Spiirit but is indeed just every bit our Mother as she is to Jesus and we have no father natures really does not it as the man leaves his and clings to the Woman father and son are friends fraternity etc i love it
Thanks!
The Books of Enoch remind me of the fab 4 (Matthew Mark Luke John). Each book is an expansion on the story before it. Basically each book is the same similar story with a new POV added
wow good point.
yep if you read the gospels chronologically, as far as what experts have said, starting with Mark, you see Matthew and Luke correcting and expanfong on things. Then John at the end is like guys I'll take it from here.
Rashomon: Holy Bible Edition
I just found your channel. Was listening to the book Enoch. I found your Chanel was refreshing and straight to the point. Thank you
I love your videos, they're well structured and concise making learning accessible and enjoyable. I would really appreciate if you could add subtitles to your videos as well so that deaf/hard of hearing audiences can also enjoy and benefit! Thank you!
I find Enoch's role as "the Heavenly Scribe" or "Scribe of Righteousness" throughout many ancient scriptures, such as the Gospel of Bartholomew, Gospel of Nicodemas, Apocalypse of Paul, and others. Enoch is the one who writes (with his miraculous speed-writing pen) all of humanity's good and bad deeds, and is the author/scribe of the Book of Life plus 366 books about knowledge and wisdom to give to his descendants. Me and my siblings grew up on 1 and 2 Enoch, and considered them holy and authoritative. The passages about the treatment of animals and "not perverting the instructions of your fathers" were gold, equal to the Bible. Our version, however, did not contain the part about Melchiszedek. I question the orthodoxy of that section, but we still regard 1 and 2 Enoch as holy Scripture (minus the Melchizedek part!).
I'm Wiccan and am totally loving your vids, great explanations for someone like me who knows nothing about these religions, thank you so much.
As an aside, there are a group of pagan Israelis who are trying to reconstruct Semitic Paganism. They worship the fire god El as the head of their pantheon instead of as a monotheistic god. El's wife Asherah, the goddess of seas and rivers, is also worshiped beside him. They even brought back Asherah poles, something that was explicitly forbidden in the Old Testament yet was common among the pagan ancient Israelites/Canaanites.
@@newguy90 thanks for that nugget of info ☺️
Do Pistis-Sophia brother... Loved this one, have known of and had a copy of Book of Enoch for decades, didn't know of 2 or 3 for that matter until now, excellent work, you're doing a lot for Humanity, Respect to you...
"expands the Enoch literary universe" Marvel Comics are good at that sort of thing.
Perfect perfect perfect.
I present to you an unlimited amount of thanks.
So interesting content in continously posted on your channel and I love it!
This is the best channel on RUclips.
So much hard work goes into these videos.
Thank you.
Can't wait for the video on The Third Book of Enoch. Read them all and enjoyed them quite a bit, but the third one was really hard to understand compared to the previous ones.
Fascinating video that made me think of the Islamic figure of Al-Khidr, "The Green One". In some versions he has been equated with Idris (i.e. Enoch). Others have equated him with Melchizedek or the prophet Elijah, and even Christian saints like St. George, and non-Abrahamic gods like Vishnu, Hermes, and Thoth. So he could make an interesting topic for another video.
Show us The Green One in an upcoming video. Just don't make him angry.
Idris I believe is Santa Clause because originally Santa Clause is dressed in Green like Khidr. Only later Coca Cola made him dress in red. Also Santa Clause is wise and never dies like Khidr.
@@oreste8570 Santa Claus could also make an interesting topic for a video. He's a fusion of different religious figures like Saint Nicholas, Odin, and the British Father Christmas who in turn could be influenced by the pagan Green Man (which could explain the green suit). Then there are related figures like Krampus, and similar figures like the Iranian Amu Nowruz, and the six Santa-like characters of Siberia. As for Siberia, Santa himself is also influenced by Siberian Shamanism.
Pan is the Slavic word for Lord, or Baal, the god of fertility, Tammuz, Osiris, Hunamun, Cernunnos, Queztlcoatyl, it's the constellations of Orion and Serpentis, who sleep with their mother, it's Amun, the Egyptian/ Iberian Moon God, based on the Metonic cycle found in the Antikythera mechanism and inscribed on the Golden Enoch Horns of the Magi /Druids, worshippers of Kybele, tended by the Galatian Eunuch, who shaved the tops of their heads to worship El, the Moon
What?
Not true
Just like the analysis of Enoch 1, this analysis of Enoch 2 is great... interesting and educational. I am subscribed and looking forward for Enoch 3, and hopefully on other "lost" books as well, like Book of Peter, Book of Mary, etc.
Both the "Gospel" of Peter and the "gospel" of Mary are just small fragments of the original books. Neither was written by the people in the title or even had a title. As I said they are just a few verses in each case and written long after the events they pretend to give witness to. Again useless but you are welcome to read them. They say nothing shocking. Peter is silly with a walking talking cross.
I love your content! Very informative!
Thanks for all the knowledge you give us.
I was wondering if you can do a video on purgatory and it’s origins and meaning. I think it would be very enlightening
¡Gracias!
Breakfast will never be the same again. Thanks Andrew, really enjoy watching your videos.
I love this so much & wanna learn more 😭😭😭, but I can’t stop thinking that the Book of Enoch really seems like a startup kit of what everything was/is going to happen. Kinda like a early revelations before revelations
Thank you for the detailed video (and finally the continuation of the Enoch videos^^)
Reading Enoch felt a lot like reading the Silmarilion. Still, very interesting topic to say thd least :)
EXCELLENT observation, and likely not an accident
Except that the Simarillian was written by a far better author and hopefully you knew it was fiction and that its author, Tolkien, intended you to know. TGhe books of Enoch are just badly written nonsense, like they were written by a 12 year old.
i wish there was subtitles or transcript for this video. I loved the first video so much.
Super interesting, thank you for this
PS
I find the way you pronounce Malchi-Tzedek quite funny
As a Bulgarian thanks for shouting us out ❤
I absolutely love your work covering ancient esoteric texts. I would love to see cover the spiritual tradition of alchemy
I would too-that sounds fascinating!
i like how unbiased you are
Strange I dreamt about a scene of second enoch as a child in which I was in what I percieved to be a lower part or level of heaven and saw these giant angelic beings that had no wings and their faces looked withered, and they were mourning. And there were thousands of them. Later on I discovered the Book of Enoch and read that very scene in 2 Enoch. I found out later these were the watchers. Which explained their more humanoid angelic giant look.
Makes sense why they looked so tired. I only have a mortal perspective and I can hardly bare to watch this world either.
If thsi is true then your dreams are being guided by demons. You might want to do something about that.
Dr. Henry I'm curious where you found those two images of the angel-guides at 6:20? I'm having trouble finding them with a Google search.
I was just about to ask the same thing!
Hey, speaking of the Unitarians, are you ever going to do a video about them? (More about the Baha'i would also be cool.)
or least the second awakening which Baha'ism several other religions were born out of.
Trip sitters and tour guides, can you do a video with some of the speculations presented in the immortality key?
Great video as always!
Could you do a video on religion in Tolkien's works and what the influences for his pantheon in the Silmarillion and other books were?
Norse Pagan mythology, with bits of christian and catholic morals sprinkled into it
@@ryanparker4996 Far more Celtic than Norse paganism. The language of the Elves is even just a slightly altered Welsh
There seems to be 2 Enoch’s in the Bible . The first one appears in Genesis 4:17 as the son of Cain and Cain decides to name a city after him…..In Genesis 5:18, Jared has a son also named Enoch and it is this Enoch that walks with God…. It’s probably two different Enoch’s separated by a few thousand years.🙂
According to Jewish tradition, Malkizadek was Shem, one of the sons of Noach. Ya'akov learned in Shem's school for over a decade before going to find his future wives at his uncle's house, Lavan.
Is St. Germain also Malkizadek?
You remind me of the cousin of Professor Duncan from Community, but the one that actually when to university and was responsible with his learning process and accuracy of his investigation.
Longtime watcher but I'm commenting until know, anyway thank you very much for your deep unbiased videos. As someone who left the organized religions I find your videos super educative and full of historical context to understand the scriptures as they must be, not making any interpretation fitting my interest.
Thanks for all your videos :)
Ancient fanfics are so much weirder because of no drug laws back then.
77%, 08:07! Also love your name, because same?
08:08!
been looking forward to this one for a while, keep up the great work, love your channel
*Me listening to last bits of Melchizedek's History:* He kinda sounds like Proto-Jesus
It wasn't his first incarnation
in The Catholic tradition he more or less is.
The idea of a protos-Jesus was something that came up with the church fathers from Ireanus to Augustine to modern thinkers like C.S. Lewis and Fr. Richard Rohr.
"For what is now called the Christian religion existed even among the ancients and was not lacking from the beginning of the human race"
st. Augustine
"There are people in other religions who are being led by God’s secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it … For example a Buddhist of good will may be led to concentrate more and more on the Buddhist teaching about mercy and to leave in the background (though he might still say he believed) the Buddhist teaching on certain points. Many of the good Pagans long before Christ’s birth may have been in this position”
C..S Lewis
"Did the Divinity need to wait for ethnic Orthodox, Roman Catholics, European protestants, and American evangelicals to appear before the divine love affair could begin? I cannot imagine"
Richard Rohr
The tree of Life was removed from the garden. I always wondered if that was Jesus. Enoch has always interested me and the when it was written feels Greek in time. I wished people would take the books serious enough to find out.
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The tree of life was the same as the tree of good and evil.... It was Samuel or as you call him .. Satan
Malkhitsedek in Hebrew can mean "My king (malkhi) justice (tsedek)". But it can also mean "King of justice" where "i" is a remnant of an older case system that still exists in Quranic Arabic and existed in Akkadian.
Great video.
At around the 9:00 minute mark you mention that the DSS compare the souls of the righteous dead to angels. Could you point me to more details on this?
12:45 well the word Elohim means master. In Exodus 7:1 this is echoed when the scripture says that Moses will be made into an Elohim unto Pharaoh.
2 Enoch 2 Furious
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All the books of Enoch seems be different fragments that can be recognised as three different books. Are all books so different that it's easy to see what fragment is from what book? I wonder if some fragments just evolved into Enoch II or III, but maybe there's just not enough time between the different versions for this.
Knock, knock, Enoching on heaven's door.
Underrated comment
What an interesting video. Ancient literature has so much mystery.
I'm curious about your thoughts on any tradition which might have help Mechizadek to be a pre-incarnation of Christ? Thanks for your work.
At 6:04, apocalypse doesn't translate to "revelation" but to "unveiling". The removing of a veil has greater meaning given the role veils played in Biblical writings.
Is that from historical accounts or etymology? Perhaps there's an overlap.
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What specifically are you asking as far as the "that" in your question?
@@spiffyspifferson8434 Your preference for unveiling.
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Given that most people nowadays don't associate unveiling and revelation as having a common origin, unveiling seems more accurate.
@@spiffyspifferson8434 They use "reveal" all the time.
I call these apocrypha "fan fiction." Not necessarily canon, but not necessarily not, lol.
Fan fiction for true because they are not inspired by God which should be obvious because it teaches things that the New Testament writing oppose.
Isn't the entire bible just fan fiction?
Some churches have them as canon though.
When is fan fiction ever canon?
@@afaegfsgsdef if you're deceived to believe so.
Given the popularity of 1 Enoch amongst the early Christian community, do we know or have working theories why it was rejected from canon despite being referenced in the New Testament? Was it theological controversy over Enoch's position near God or as a God like being?
It’s amazing how big of an influence the Enochs had on the general view of the Bible. A lot of Enoch is taken as fact even tho it isn’t in the Bible. Kinda neat
They never thought that something like tge internet would be invented when the were hiding this book from the bible.
So, what is it then ? Is it apart of it. Is it not. This is why religion stresses me out
I have Enoch 1, now you have peaked my interest in getting this book too! Have you read " The Bible in India ", it's a fascinating read too. Now whether there is truth to what is written, still a fascinating read!
Christian gameplay: pray, preach, do good stuff
Christian Lore:
*Gotye - Somebody I used to know - Agnus Dei remix plays*
Excellent as usual. Margaret Barker has written some fascinating books on the Enochic background of Christianity.
Wish you would do a vid on the two powers in heaven idea in ancient Judaism.
Like how you explain things. 👍😊
Enoch was the luckiest human who's ever lived.. To see the heavens, see God and leave this planet taken by the Maker without suffering thru death.
That should tell you who the makers are !
How can one leave thos planet without dying while traveling through space ?
The multi levels of Heaven-very similar to the Vedas and Upanishads. (Mandukya? It’s been MANY years). I also remember different levels of the Lower World. If I remember correctly, also in Buddhism (Tibetan Book of the Dead), considering Buddha began as a Vedic Scholar-it’s not surprising. I’m listening and typing at the same time…did scripture writers all have the same Professor? This is fascinating, I wish I had more time to get into these comparative religious readings. My professors always said I would be a “perpetual student”. Many years ago while living and working at an Indian Ashram, my Uncle, an atypical Catholic Priest who was fascinated with philosophies, faith dogma and history from around the world. He spent almost 50 years in the Andes as..a rather unconventional missionary...came to visit me. Uncle Bob was more concerned about his ancient Ecuadorean and Bolivian villages, with building hospitals, community education centers, schools, farms and infrastructure for running water and sewage-than converting the local indigenous Natives. He actually concelebrated “mass” with village Shamans-especially during local and church-related Holidays. (One of my most treasured pictures is him, dressed in a white cassock, (decorated by local embroidery and sashes), walking through a village leading a mule with a villager carrying a cross, accompanied by a much ornately dressed Shaman.). He got himself into hot water with the church on more than a few occasions; but luckily, he has always had friends in “higher places”. Also, his parishioners adored him. He recruited professionals from his first Church in the US, to help him in his endeavors in the Andes. Some doctors, professors, contractors and engineers; returned year after year until the church and his health demanded retirement at about age 80. He continued to return to the village, (as did the professionals, their children and grandchildren)yearly, up until about 5 years ago at age 86. I think we all put our foot down when he went missing for about a week, after a large earthquake-he was just riding around, mostly on horses and mules, checking on his old friends. He thought we were all crazy for worrying..which, in a way, I guess we were in a way. He absolutely loved it there and loves his “friends”. (He STILL facetimes with many villagers and even this past year was very excited to help some kids get accepted and get full scholarships to US Universities..something he was telling me about a few days ago in our weekly call.
Anyways, back to the ashram. Uncle Bob had planned on a short weekend visit..he stayed for just over a month, making friends with Pandits, Swami’s and local professionals. One of the biggest points of discussion was the fascinating similarities between ancient Eastern Indian Beliefs and Ancient Western, South American, Indian beliefs.
Shortly after he left, my children and I also left and moved to Pennsylvania, where a college my Uncle had lectured at, offered..I believe a degree in comparative religious studies. I already had enough degrees, but my Uncle was able to get them to agree to allow me to audit the classes. I WAS concerned about their affiliation with the church, (I hadn’t been to mass in 40 years and had no desire to return). For the most part, I had no issues, (one nun and a priest from India could be a bit overbearing…nothing I couldn’t handle), AND, I was “blessed” with an extremely open-minded professor who taught most of the classes. He gave me his copy of Elaine Pagel’s books in the 2nd week..I KNEW we would get along. I was there for most of about 4 years, absorbing as much as I could in between work, kids and life. But, alas, whether it’s my gift of ADD..OR I was just ready for my next adventure… I still have most of my books I had planned on giving my dear, very like-minded Son. Unfortunately, he passed away in June from post-virus complications. Hopefully I’ll find a young person who would appreciate these books on different faiths and philosophies. This was a topic my son and I could talk for hours about..I miss that. But, I am now taking on his legacy of attempting to learn Chinese, reading and talking about Chinese history and culture through his friends and some elders and professors in China his friends have introduced me to. Now, I just need to improve my health so I can actually visit this country and people that my son fell in love with!
Thank you for some fantastic videos!
Second Enoch: the first “soft reboot”
as a former Mormon it's fascinating to hear about the Melchizedek priesthood in it's proper context.
UHH, thias is exactly the same as the Book of Mormon - a book written long after the events related by a slimey liar claiming someone else wrote the book. There is nothing both new and true in ANY of these books, just a few slivers stolen from the real Bible.
Thank you once again for a very informative and interesting video!
Church Slavonic is simply Bulgarian as it was in the 9th century.
That is when, St. Cyril and St. Methodius translated the Bible in Bulgarian and one of their other major accomplishments was enabling liturgies to be held in Bulgarian. At the time the church only allowed it in Latin and Greek. Their students (also Bulgarian) created the Cyrillic script that is used by most Slavic nations to this day and used it to spread Christianity to all of Eastern Europe.
I would love to know the arguments for why Charles Francis Potter thought Enoch 2 was written by Jesus
No you don't. You know that old saying about alcohol killing your brain cells? You don't have enough brain cells to deal with CFP's rationalizations. No one does...
@@andrewsuryali8540 That makes me 10x more interested
I really enjoy your videos and have been wondering if you're planning to ever do one on the Gospel of Nicodemus, given how little content there is on it on RUclips, cheers!
8:55 Could this have lead to the idea where Enoch becomes Metatron that is found in later jewish traditions?
That's in 1st Enoch actually.
I have wishlisted the 1 Enoch edition/version recommended in the previous video on Enoch, what version/edition of 2 Enoch was used/is recommended here?
How can I get these books, please?
For 1 Enoch, I recommend The Hermeneia Translation, which can be bought on Amazon. 2 Enoch is shorter, and a free version is available on Marquette University's website: www.marquette.edu/maqom/slavonicenoch.html
@@ReligionForBreakfast Thanks.
72- “And Michael took the child(Melkisedek/priest of all holy priest) on the same night on which he had come down; and he took him on his wings, and he placed him in the paradise of Edom. •And Nir got up in the morning. He went into his tent and he did not find the child. And there was instead of joy very
great grief, because he had no other son except this one. •Thus Nir(father in law/last priest before the flood)ended his life.”
Enoch 2: Electric Boogaloo
Can you share more about how the early church decided to keep certain books in the Bible vs others? And why the Catholic and Protestant bibles are different?
Can you imagine societies making religious believes out of things like... Idk Lord of The Rings saga or sum
Consider it done.
You will take up your Ring and follow him.
Melchizdek is still referred to during the Roman Catholic Mass during the consecration of the holy Eucharist
Will you ever do a video specifically on the Nephilim? I've heard some theories that they were other people's gods or were fallen angels or (imo most likely) fallen soldiers of another culture. I would love to hear about it in your style and see what we actually know about them
They are cross breads between fallen angels and humans.
@@eggheadusa Is that how we got hot cross buns?
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT breed* lol don’t get me started on the symbolism of the modern hotdog bun
11:24 I don't know if either this is a coincidence, but the name Melchizedek and its meaning 'My king is righteous' sounded similar to the Arabic words for for king - Malik or Malk and righteous or this case truthful - Siddiq.
Melchizedek or Malik Al-Siddiq(the truthful king, ruler etc.)
Even back then people were rebooting famous works of media.
I really enjoy your videos, you explain things very well. I’ve lay studied first century biblical history for 20 plus years and you always add to my knowledge. Thanks!!
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how to play the ukulele? do you think Sepher could benefit?
Does anyone know why the Jewish people took such a hard turn into Apocalyptic literature? Like, why did the afterlife go from being vague and abstract to being extremely vivid and horrifying with armies of ineffable angels and demons constantly locked in battle?
Good question. My guess is that they were attacked by major powers of their era over and over again, exiled, invaded etc, so they got traumatised.
If you have time and enjoy such topics watch Old Testament lectures by Christine Hayes of Yale University.
@@AliCanTUNCER8 Yup. The 2nd temple got destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE on top of centuries of Greek and Zoroastrian influence.
The armies of angels or seraphim and cherubim, and demons come from the Babylonian mythologies. So much of their theology derives from Babylonian/Mesopotamian mythology that came during the Babylonian exile and whatnot. You should look into Babylonian/Mesopotamian mythology.
@John LaBonte, not all Jewish people. One strain of Jewish thought went down the apocalyptic route, arguably a minor one, since the very different rabbinical Judaism eventually became the standard.
Just found your channel...
I'm in love and gonna watch everything eventually, have you done anything covering Abraham's house next to the Zigarot in Iraq
Enoch 2: angelic boogaloo
So... is Melchizedek the name of Jesus? Aka Yeshua the Christ? For yeshua the Christ is supposed to be a title. Or was he a second Jesus case where he then took on the role “michael” or “mikael?” So many questions.
"Like the flood of live-action Disney remakes..."
Andrew woke up and chose violence today.
Superb treasure into the realm of Esoterica! 🎑
Please do part three soon!