What Is The "Kick Change" And How Do You Throw It?

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @AnthonyOcanas-ARC-baseball
    @AnthonyOcanas-ARC-baseball 3 месяца назад +6

    Never need this video more in my life

  • @fredreickweaver809
    @fredreickweaver809 3 месяца назад +9

    Very Amusing that Birdsong just picked it up from one of your athletes and it was showing 160stuff+ in mlb like 8 months later, cool!

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  3 месяца назад +4

      Davis Martin just started throwing it a few outings ago with the White Sox as well!
      x.com/ArtOfBaseball/status/1824870916259754194

  • @drewseph8787
    @drewseph8787 3 месяца назад +1

    gonna have to try this out, always struggled with changeups and my split is so day-day as well as too close in velo to fb, only like 4-6 mph slower

  • @rsv9999
    @rsv9999 Месяц назад

    i found it super helpful to think of extending my middle finger as i release to give the ball sidespin and kick it

  • @Everything_Baseball14
    @Everything_Baseball14 20 дней назад

    Trying this in January to February, resting my arm for a while before then. Never threw a good changeup. I supinate and throw a pretty good curveball so hopefully this helps thanks

  • @NicoMolinaris
    @NicoMolinaris 3 месяца назад

    Leif really clutched up with this one!! Been throwing this pitch but just needed a few pointers

  • @arkanoosh6344
    @arkanoosh6344 Месяц назад +2

    Should you be thinking about cutting this if your a supination bias guy? Or just throw it like a fastball? Or try to pronate?

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  Месяц назад

      You can think "throw it like a fastball" if you already cut the ball as a supinator. Trying to lean into the SSW rather than forcing yourself into pronation

  • @craigkabat8153
    @craigkabat8153 3 месяца назад +3

    Best pitch for supinators hands down, way easier to gain feel faster versus a split

    • @rustyshackleford1562
      @rustyshackleford1562 3 месяца назад +3

      Hands down is pronation.... da da chhh

    • @arkanoosh6344
      @arkanoosh6344 Месяц назад

      For supinators do you want to throw supination for this pitch? Or pronate or throw like fastball

  • @shm0ney
    @shm0ney 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for making a video on the kick change! I’ve been throwing one for about a year now. Kills vert and gets me some run when I would cut a splitter or normal change.(heavy supinator)

  • @Boinr17
    @Boinr17 3 месяца назад +1

    For me when i'm throwing the kick change, I think about pulling my thumb down like im trying to touch my pinky finger with my thumb. This really helps me get that right action im looking for. Thoughts?

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  3 месяца назад

      Sounds like the opposite of how the Kick Change functions. It's a ring and middle finger dependent pitch and that sounds like you may be cue-ing pronation led by the thumb?

  • @royeffinger4554
    @royeffinger4554 2 месяца назад

    What makes the kick / spiked more valuable than simply a gripped 2 seam circle change?

  • @ddog3679
    @ddog3679 3 месяца назад

    Do you think this pitch would pair well with a sidearm pitcher or you think that over the top pitcher would benefit more

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  3 месяца назад +1

      Works for pitchers with all kinds of slots

  • @michaelallen1154
    @michaelallen1154 7 дней назад

    Hey Tread! If you don't mind me asking... what preliminary criteria determines whether or not a pitcher can successfully throw a pitch like this kick change? They were saying the same thing (about preliminary criteria) for a seam shifting wake changeup. Apparently there is a criteria to these pitches?

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  7 дней назад

      Both pronators and supinators can throw this pitch, so it's more friendly than SSW!

    • @michaelallen1154
      @michaelallen1154 7 дней назад

      @treadathletics thanks! Do you guys have a video about pronation vs. supination?

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  7 дней назад

      We do! Here's the link:
      ruclips.net/video/CYFdqhnBM-k/видео.html

  • @Iamshields632
    @Iamshields632 10 дней назад

    From someone on the outside. What is the difference between a Kick Change and a circle change?

  • @Terrobul
    @Terrobul 2 месяца назад

    I love to hit the kick-change ⚾️

  • @rajplaysball
    @rajplaysball 3 месяца назад +1

    Would it be safe pitch for my arm? I’m 13 and throw a 4 seam and curve and looking to throw a pitch that goes armside and pronating a normal changeup just isn’t my thing.

    • @humanperson7198
      @humanperson7198 3 месяца назад +2

      should be just as safe as a fastball since you’re not pronating through release but i’m no biomechanist

    • @rajplaysball
      @rajplaysball 2 месяца назад

      Yeah makes sense

  • @dave-u9c
    @dave-u9c 3 месяца назад

    What is the ideal IVB and IHB on this pitch? For context, I throw my sinker at 6-9 IVB with 12-16 IHB at 86-88.

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  3 месяца назад +2

      If your sinker is in that region, you can likely expect to get into the negatives with it. We obviously would need a lot more info about your arsenal and natural biases to give you an accurate target though

  • @that_deaf_dude99
    @that_deaf_dude99 2 месяца назад

    Would this pitch work for sidearmers? I’ve been trying to get a changeup but I’ve never been able to find one

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  2 месяца назад +1

      It can! Here's one of our athletes with a lower slot throwing it:
      instagram.com/p/C9VhQPqBeG9/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

    • @that_deaf_dude99
      @that_deaf_dude99 2 месяца назад

      @@treadathletics I just threw this in my bullpen today and it worked FLAWLESSLY! Thank you for showing me this and adding a new weapon to my arsenal

  • @rsv9999
    @rsv9999 3 месяца назад

    i know that kevin gausman recently changed his splitter grip and in slow motion, it looks like a kick change grip in the hand, is he throwing a kick change now?

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  3 месяца назад

      Any chance you can link a clip of it?

    • @rsv9999
      @rsv9999 3 месяца назад

      apparently the old grip was too unreliable and sometimes had backspin rather than side spin, combined with the ssw made it a two seamer that went to the wrong places

    • @rsv9999
      @rsv9999 3 месяца назад

      i put a comment here with some links about it, it seemed to disappear, hrmm

  • @RaymondZegardki
    @RaymondZegardki 2 месяца назад

    I used to have a very bad change up untill now @tread athletes

  • @abs1071
    @abs1071 3 месяца назад

    It is Ssw changeup that drops more with less spin👍🏻😬

  • @xtraspecialj
    @xtraspecialj 2 месяца назад +1

    Based on the spin i see, i don't understand the movement of the ball. It's got tilted back spin. How does that make the ball drop? I would think top spin would be necessary to make the ball drop like that?

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  2 месяца назад +2

      Shifting the axis downward is the main thing. Some pronators who throw it can also lean into SSW which will shoot the ball down as well

    • @xtraspecialj
      @xtraspecialj 2 месяца назад +1

      @@treadathletics interesting. At the end of the day though, it's back spin, so it still blows my mind how that makes the ball dip down. Goes against everything I've been told about spin in the past. Very cool!

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  2 месяца назад +2

      Here's a video about seam shifted wake that we made!
      ruclips.net/user/shortsNWObkD3T9uM?feature=share

    • @xtraspecialj
      @xtraspecialj 2 месяца назад +1

      @@treadathletics Very cool! Never heard about that. I also found another video you guys did that was an interview and the dude explained it with the airplane analogy. Thanks so much!

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  Месяц назад +2

      Yes! Our conversation with Brian Bannister also dives into it!

  • @rsv9999
    @rsv9999 2 месяца назад

    how should it feel off my hand if im getting it right?

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  2 месяца назад +1

      Like it's coming off of your middle finger. It'll feel different for pitchers who are supination biased vs. pronation biased

    • @rsv9999
      @rsv9999 2 месяца назад

      @@treadathletics i have a supination bias, should it feel straight off my middle finger like a fastball or moving horizontally off my fingertips like a slider?

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  2 месяца назад +1

      You'll be cutting it then, so it can feel more like a cutter/fastball if you're already supinating at release

  • @jacobwilhide1189
    @jacobwilhide1189 3 месяца назад

    How do I know if I am a pronator or supinator?

    • @driklol
      @driklol 3 месяца назад

      No smartass-ness here , but Do you feel better , more natural and more comfortable with certain pitches (ones that require either pronation or supination) than the other. For example, I can't throw a pronated changeup to save my life, but I can very comfortably throw sliders, curves , slurves etc. When I try to pronate (wrist turning into my body) It just feels wrong for how I naturally throw a ball and the results are trash.
      I tell my son (who is a pronator) , don't fight what feels right when throwing the ball , adjust what pitch you want to throw based on what your body is telling you. If a normal changeup doesn't feel forced to you, or a two seam, you probably are leaning towards a pronation bias.

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  3 месяца назад +2

      Will be expanding on this further in the future. We run assessments with our athletes to identify their body's preferences
      ruclips.net/video/Wy5ZcQu-12s/видео.html

    • @kevinmcgrath7509
      @kevinmcgrath7509 3 месяца назад +1

      Watch their video from a couple days ago.
      Prone=palm down
      Supine=palm up
      Which one feels better for you?

  • @datSpookyDude
    @datSpookyDude Месяц назад

    Safer than a splitter?

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  Месяц назад

      Minimal injury risk with this one. Leaning into your motor preferences alleviates injury risk

  • @seanmulcahy7837
    @seanmulcahy7837 3 месяца назад

    Love the Tread stuff normally. I’m a fan. I’m also spoiled because many of your other videos show, very close up, very slo motion, very specific grips to try. This one is shot from 15 feet away, moves too fast and does not enough detail. I’d love a better breakdown in the future.

    • @treadathletics
      @treadathletics  3 месяца назад

      Close ups provided at the 1:51 and 2:16 and slow motion release can be seen at 3:04 which you can feel free to pause as well!

  • @JDCRS2000
    @JDCRS2000 Месяц назад

    I'd rather throw the rising knuckle curve 😅

  • @BlackSheep883-d7n
    @BlackSheep883-d7n 21 день назад

    Splitfinger beats them all

  • @izanmaciasgallardo1658
    @izanmaciasgallardo1658 3 месяца назад

    the only thing left to identify is who could throw the reverse snk like hader hahaha

  • @joekeusch5995
    @joekeusch5995 3 месяца назад +8

    That pitch has been around for 30 years

    • @Ethan888.
      @Ethan888. 3 месяца назад +1

      Where?

    • @driklol
      @driklol 3 месяца назад +9

      He literally said in this video that most of the "popular' pitches have been around since the 50's (give or take) but modern technology allows them to identify why they work, how they work and how to teach them increasing how effective they can be and to whom they apply.

    • @joekeusch5995
      @joekeusch5995 3 месяца назад

      @driklol My apologies, i didnt have the patience to watch the whole video. That is a good clarification. Like the "sweeper" and all this other nonsense on calling the same pitches different names it comes down to how they react to different pirchers thowing them.

    • @joekeusch5995
      @joekeusch5995 3 месяца назад

      @Ethan888. everywhere. Modifications like that to the circle change were pretty routine.

    • @johnbela193
      @johnbela193 2 месяца назад

      I was hoping others could help me out. In the 1980’s-early 90’s, Doyle Alexander used to throw a Circular Change. Is it the same as this change up??

  • @doctorstrainlove6318
    @doctorstrainlove6318 2 месяца назад

    WTF is a DEATH ball?

  • @JennellStraughter
    @JennellStraughter 3 месяца назад

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