I was taught by a master bushcrafter many years ago that tenting on a slight incline is always preferable to flat ground in that you place your head and equipment on the uphill side and if any rainwater does get in it'll drain out towards the bottom. He also recommended we dig a little trench along the upper side allowing for any rain water to flow around the sides and away from our sleeping area. best advice I've ever gotten and I still do it this way 35 years later
@@Guggu3d I guess you could kinda call it a french drain? and yes, we all ways backfill the trench and police our campsite. Our motto is leave it better than the way you found it...
I like setting up on a slight incline with head higher than feet. Also if tent leaks due to bad storms the water goes towards the door with all clothing etc stored towards highest area inside tent to stay dry.
As every hammock hiker knows, sleeping with your feet higher than your heart means at least one visit to a tree during the night. Leg edema comes off gradually at night.
I like to lay out my footprint/ groundsheet, then lay down on it. That way I only have to adjust the footprint and not the entire tent. Also gives you an opportunity to check the things above your tent
@@georgepotcovaru913 are you talking about what I do? With my backpacking tents I always have a footprint to save wear and tear on the floor of the tent. That is the first thing that gets laid out. I scout out where it looks fairly flat and lay out the footprint only. Then I lie down on it to see how the incline is, (do I have to put my head on the other end, or adjust it somehow). As I am down, I am looking up at what will be above my tent, so I can see if there are deadfall’s, (large broken branches that are still snagged in the tree), bee/wasp hive, (I’ve had a couple spots like that!), etc. If something looks like it could fall and crush my tent, I’ll move the footprint, which is much easier than moving the whole tent after setting it up. If you don’t have a footprint, then just lay out the body of the tent and do the same before setting it up.
I have been using a cheap Remington (I believe it was sold as a 4 man tent) tent for 24 years now. It sets up easily with 1 man, even on windy days. I have had it up for 4-7 days in rain and heavy snow. This year I had my first problem. I have an 8 month old puppy and by the third day of watching me, he figured out how to unzip the door. I now have a hole (Stake) in the floor so I can tie him in at night with me. He won't run away, but I don't want him getting into it with a skunk, or worse, a bear. I see you mostly use back pack style tents. Stay away from the ones that have elastic rope in the poles to "Quickly" pop them together if you winter camp. The elastic freezes and you can't get the poles together.
I'd add ventilation to the list of things that should check. One of the most common reasons people have wet tents in the morning is simply from condensation from breathing all night. Good tent ventilation can really help with that.
A) I've never slept on flat ground in a tent unless it was a designated "tent" spot. There was always an incline. B) You forgot to mention looking for "widow makers" which new backpackers need to know about. Rain may or may not happen. Wind is almost a guarantee. Both can make for a very very bad night if you set up in the wrong spot. Great job as always.
Personally I prefer a slight incline. If my feet are above my heart I sleep thru the night comfortably, type 1 diabetic and my feet get cold on the flat or if they are low but if they are high it's good news for me.
Adding. Your tent stake lines should be an extension of the seam line. You get a better taut pitch if you don't angle the tent stake line away from the seam line.
After living in a tent for the past two months, I’ve learn a lot from my mistakes, I now have a 4 person tent with lots of tarps on top and two tarps under, with a Trench dug around my tent for any drain water to flow away from my tent instead of underneath. Also getting an air mattress helped exponentially especially with it getting cold now. Two 20 degree rated sleeping bags one on bottom and one on top help out significantly as well! Also dehumidifier bags are a must! Finally feels like I have my own home, just hope I don’t get ran off again on the new land I found, it sucks getting evicted
I went camping a few times with my father when I was little, and apparently my father was a great teacher because I knew all of this and more by heart. To the point where I once setup camp along 70 other people and during the night we had HEAVY waterfall, and when I woke up the water was to the line of the bottom of the tent and the inside was still completely dry. Everyone else had their tents flooded.
Another staking tip. When you take down your tent, release the tensioners on the guy-lines so they have slack in them again. Then when you set up the next time, you have room left to tension back up to remove the slack from your lines and tension the tent/flys properly. I have seen many rookies that do not know how to properly use a guy line and have them cinched up near the top so that there is no slack to properly make the tent materials taut and functional.
Those are good tips that I figured out over the years. One that I learned the hard way on one of my 1st BP trips is not to brush away all of the ground cover, pine needles, etc that will be under your tent. I camped over a pre-swept spot from another BPer. That night it rained pretty good, & all the water pooled underneath me. It was like I was on a waterbed. So leave the ground cover, just remove sharp objects like pine cones, etc.
One thing I've noticed helps a lot, at least with tents that hook to the poles rather than sleeved poles, is if you stake the tent out flat before putting the poles in. It helps to get the bottom layed out flat and taught and just makes for a generally better pitch in my experience.
My first night backpacking was horrible. The weather was crappy, and it took me way to long to get to camp, I ended up setting my tent up in the first clear spot I found, and did not realize it was on a huge root. I was just too tired and hungry to care. Thank you for this video. I'm going go use these tips on my next trip!
First Dan Becker video I ever watched! Spent the last 45 minutes scrolling down my RUclips history to figure out what got me started on this whole backpacking thing over a year ago. First two backpacking videos I ever watched was from Mylife Outdoors, and this was the third one. Saturday 16th of July 2022. Then, RUclips's algorithm did its thing and since then I've watched hundreds if not a thousand backpacking videos. I've also logged more than 200km of trips on my All Trails with 55 more coming next week when I'm hitting the Laugavegur trail in Iceland. Thanks for everything Dan! Hope you are doing OK all things considered
As an eagle scout myself, I'm not as picky with my tent location as I could be. I have my preferences, flat open land with tall grass that creates its own cushion is awesome, but a lot of times at scout camps I don't really have much choice, so we mostly just deal with it. The incline issue isn't so big, just put your head uphill. You're absolutely right about the water issue, but I've had a few bad storms where my tent has been in a few inches of standing water afterwards, and my MSR has been bone dry inside. Above all else, if I'm tire enough, I'll sleep just fine! Great video, lots of good info for beginners (Especially the stake bit)
All great tips Dan. Only thing I didn’t hear you talk about in this video is looking up for “WIDOW MAKERS!” This is something that cold weather campers in particular should always be on the lookout for. Seeing that the branches often weaken by the end of the summer season from all the foliage, make sure you look up!!
helpful video! i have camped with folks who are completely unexperienced and 100% these are the most common mistakes. I would add this mistake: they also have no real idea how to set up their own tent. Once i ended up setting up 4 tents on a trip lol. bunch of newbies but thats just fine! i like setting up tents...main mistake there is just not knowing your tent well enough to get the best set up. sounds corny, but being famaliar with your gear and its optimal use makes a huge difference.
Adding. Look for ground wasp holes. Use a ground cover tarp. Use sealant and moisture repellent. Take extra tarps and duct tape for wet weather, spent many weeks camping in rain,stayed dry and it was great, no other campers during the floods, so we fished, played card and dice games, read books, and had the nearby caves to ourselves.
That is a great point that a lot of people overlook about taking a few extra tarps with you!! BUT I also throw in a roll of rope, along with my duct tape as well!! If you can find one, an old Boy Scout Handbook will show you how to make waterproof matches and fire starters, which can be a game changer, and I think Walmart even sells those items in the camping section if you don't have access to materials!! Another thing to think about is taking a spare tent, that is smaller to store your gear in as well!! Some tents are rather small and having a place to get your cooler out of the blazing sun all day WILL save you from having to replace ice in thirty minutes and can keep your other supplies dry as well too!!! It also is NOT a bad idea to make what I would call a "Camp Kit"!! Take a medium sized Rubbermaid tote with a lid and fill it with your duct tape, rope, extra tent stakes, a couple of candles (the candle stick kind), a block of Paraffin wax, a few extra trash bags and some spare camp lantern mantles and a BIC lighter or two!!! A few other things to throw in to that kit would include an SOS pad that has steel wool around it or a cheap bag of steel wool And a few unopened bottles of "travel size" soaps, shampoo and dish soap!! Making up this kit will save you in a lot of cases for some of the "strange things that can happen" while camping!! And the "kit" doesn't have to be that big either, about the size of a large shoe storage box that can store a pair of boots in!! AND the steel wool can be used to start a fire in case you are out of fire starters, but you have access to a battery, even a 9 volt battery will cause the steel wool to burn in case you need it!!
@@oakmaiden2133 the cave with the largest natural opening is there, a helicopter has flown into it. Most of the caves are large, but personally I don't camp in caves, as there are no hook ups for my projector, expresso maker and gaming PC.
Thinking back over the past 35 or 40 years of regularly going camping - I've definitely made every single one of those mistakes at some point or another, and a few trips were multiple mistakes on this list all in the same trip.
Good stuff! Thanks. I'm an old man now, but this eagle scout once slept on an incline, with my head on the downhill side. I woke up with a big headache. Lesson learned.
I read an experiment showing that 90 degree angle (perpendicular to ground) is actually the strongest angle when staking a tent. That's how I've been doing after reading it, and I've never had an issue even in sandy ground.
Allow me to pedantic. The angle he put the stakes in is shallower than 45. I’d say closer to 30 degrees. I find a slight angle helps keep the tent line on the end of the stake and it’s also easier to press into the ground with your foot (if you use your foot sink the stake into the ground)
From an engineering point of view it should be 90 degrees to the force that it is combating, so for a groundsheet or footprint vertical is good. For a guy-line you should have an angle and, depending on the tent design, flysheet may or may not require an angle. It's fundamental triangle of forces stuff. If you are not sure put your tent up in very soft sand and study which way the various pegs pull out.
Thanks. I'm starting with a tent. I don't need to push my self to tarp etc. Now I know basics, even though I spent 7 weeks in tent 20 years ago during summer when I was a teen. Thanks again.
You should do a part 2 - Setting up on exposed or partially exposed rock. I've had to set up in spots that are just barren rock, or partially covered with a couple inches of moss. It's pretty common in some areas depending on the geology, etc. It's not as easy to get a nice taut tent when there isn't enough soil to peg properly.
There are times when the only available spots to pitch a tent are sloped. As you stated, if you need to do this, set it up so it aligns with the slope, one end up and the other down and make sure your head will be on the upper side of the slope. Water drainage is also very important as you stated. My only issue I ever had was when I was on the receiving end of a 75 mile + straight line wind and my tent became partially airborne. When I hiked out the next day, the wind event was in the news with flipped semi-tractor trailers and some buildings knocked down and others damaged.
Thanks for the video! Just a minor note: you might know your soil, but you shouldn’t push the ground peg down with your foot, in case you hit a rock. As your body weight will bend the peg against the rock before you notice the resistance, as it’s relative to the bending/material of your peg.
We set up tent along some small branches of a lake, up in Norway... During the night, a rotten tree fell in the stream and made a branch overflow and change direction... right through our tent... Always camp uphill from lakes/streams ect.
Great video 👍 I organise hiking and camping trips so I’ll be passing this on to newbies. Only criticism is your points on setup in windy conditions. I know the right way, but I had to replay it several times and it’s not that clear.
Setting up tents was always fun. digging the drainage ditches. setting up the frames, then the outer body, and stitching the inner liner to it after. laying out the flooring, moving in the cots, lockers, tables, and equipment. bringing in the stove. sometimes even having to lay the power lines.
@@matthours1783 plumbing, the big 55 gal water drums, with the electric water pump and hot water on demand propane heater... canvas bathrub and shower, portable toilet and sink combo. Never used ac when camping but i prefer winter camping...
Camping on the plains where everything looked the same, I pitched with one of my main poles aligned with North/South. Just helped myself orient easier. (at my age)
What your doing with the pegs corner to corner is exactly the same as in construction and engineering when you have what’s called ‘sequential tightening’ where you evenly tighten or load the bolts or anchor points to even out the stress load . Incredibly simple and obvious thing too do but like so many ‘lightbulb’ moments only once someone has actually told you about it ! 😉 keep up the good work bud 👍
You do that when tightening screws on a chair or table. I've made plenty of mistakes setting up camp, but circling my tent to drive in stakes wasn't one of them!
I add a second stake next to the vestibule stake you showed. The loose side of the vestibule zipper can be hooked over the second stake in order to make it easier to zip and unzip it without pressure on the zipper. Also allows me to partially close the rain fly instead of zipping it shut, for quick trips out of the tent.
Although we didn’t have free standing tents when I was a Boy Scout, (we had Army surplus pup tents with no floors), I learned these same general skills. Thanks for covering each step of the process.
Bring about 10 extra para cord sections about 3 feet long each. I backpack in the Sierra mountains in the summer where the soil or ground can and is very rocky and hard. Those very light aluminum tent stakes don't have a chance going into the ground. This is the time I use maybe 6 to 10 heavy rocks around my tent. Each of these encircled with a 3 foot para cord will hold my tent in the highest Sierra nighttime winds. I look for rocks maybe over 10 to 20 pounds that will withstand storm winds. We had one night above Lake Ediza near Mammoth Lakes about 3 miles off the john muir trail at about 10,500 feet elevation. There was a wind storm predicted for the higher Sierras near the minneretts for that night reaching 70 mph near the peaks. We were in a depression surrounded by trees behind maybe a 80 foot huge rock mound to provide wind protection. The wind blew all night with strong gusts that violently shook the tent with the fly all night. Every 10 to 5 minutes the tent shook from the winds. It was not a good nights sleep but a fitfull night. The tent did not move with the heavy rocks holding it stationary in these high winds. I always carry these 10 extra 3 foot sections of para cord for my tent . The extra weight is very small in a few grams taking nearly no extra space.
Another point I would add is to ensure your fly/vestibule is COMPLETELY covering the entire tent/footprint. Having a corner of the tent or footprint sticking out past the fly by not tightening the fly all the way can act as a wick and start to fill your tent with water when it rains.
If your ground cloth is larger then your tent footprint ALWAYS fold the excess ground cloth UNDER ITSELF!! AND never fold the ground cloth OVER itself!! The ground cloth will create an "envelope" and hold water in the pocket that is created causing your tent floor to puddle where ever that pocket is!!
Nice. The way I describe staking a tent is it's like tuning a drum (exactly how you did it), it maintains an even amount of tension and doesn't move the tent, potentially distorting the shape and creating hotspots where damage can build up.
Great video and advice. There was one point where I don't agree, if I HAVE to sleep on an incline I would gladly sleep with my head on the low side of the incline. Especially if I had a long hiking day. It is very nice and soothing for the legs, sleeping with the legs low might make them swollen and badly rested the next morning. Of course, I'm talking about small differences here, I certainly wouldnt want my feet sticking up a foot or two above my head, but an inch or a few, that's ok.
Yes, I was going to make the same point. It's always better to sleep on a slight incline. It also helps with indigestion and headaches when you are eating unusual campfire food, at high altitude, and potentially drinking all night.
I think this would be based on age and fitness level also. A younger person with excellent circulation could focus on comfort and not be concerned about fluid build up in the legs. 40+ and maybe a little less athleticism… I agree it’s something to consider.
@@modestdaddy2000 I absolutely think you are right, age bring slower reconstitution with regard to almost everything in the body. Which, at least in part, can be compensated by being fit and excersise often.
Sleeping with the head lower than the heart is like the worst things one could do. Elevating the legs is great but not at the expense of the brain. Even lying flat isn't that great. The reason the legs need to be elevated after a day of being on them is the same reason the head needs to be elevated. Do a little research before putting horrible ideas in people's heads.
@@chrisfoxwell4128 You know, there is a thing called pillow? To elevate the head!? I'm not suggesting hanging upside down like a bat. We are talking like 2-4 inches here, maybe 6, top! (From head to feet, from head to heart is probably not even an inch lower, without a pillow.) More than that and you wont have a good night sleep no matter which way the tent slope.
Setup my Snugpak Ionosphere in a peat bog, seemed fine when it was dry. Very glad of the deep bathtub and high hydrostatic rating after it poured with rain over night. Joy of the Scottish Highlands....
If you want to sleep in the morning, look for a shade spot during the sunrise. I do beach camping and when that sun comes up at 6:30 the tent is like a sauna(especially if the boys were drinking the night before)
Wind often changes direction at nightfall. One thing to keep in mind. Storm winds directions are not predictable and change by the minute during the storm.
Glad you touched on cold pools. I can't stress this enough with newbies. I have seen 20 degree differences within a quarter mile because of cold air poring off of high elevation mountains.
Free/semifree standing tent might not be the lightest. But man oh man do i love the ability to just set up the tent, and then being able to move it around, if im not happy with something.
For those who are out many nights every year in mountain country, sloping ground is inevitable sometimes. This is why I now often take a hammock which is NOT my preferred way to sleep, but it opens up many options for a quick overnight so an adventure can really be an adventure and not limited to a tourist schedule.
@@bovinicusdivinicus there's a thought. I'm trying to think of a scenario. Basically, a hammock sucks imo after giving one a long trial. It just utterly fails to provide back support. This is not so much an issue with young hikers I realize. But sometimes ground conditions suck much more...like the northern Cascades when rains begin (about this time of year). Rainy, muddy, sloping ground, etc., but no shortage of trees. Maybe the Sierra (idk) above the treeline or when ground is snow covered, but one would have to plan ahead (cut poles). I pack heavy by current opinions, but my only pole is a short slide arrester (my own hack), essentially a lightwight, lightduty (hiker style) ice ax, but my pack (framed) could actually be anchored to support one hammock end. Never know when a tip could lead to a useful bushcraft fix. Thanks for gettin me thinkin on that one.
This helped me aloooot going camping for the first time and want to avoid any bad trips so i keep going plusThis guy also gave me jim from the office vibes 😂 !
I know this was a quick and simply video. Clearing the ground is a must, WIDOW MAKERS a must and for me in Australia check for ANT NESTS and any other creepy crawly house….Love your stuff Dan. Keeping me sane ( as sane as can be expected) during our lockdown 6.0….thanks
In the western US there is such a variety of ants that it's not so easy to have fixed rules aside from awareness about food. I have also noticed activity usually increases with temperature. Warm nights = busy ants 24hrs, but in one semi-desert like low area of a long trail I got schooled on red ants which were nowhere to be seen until the second the sun popped over the far ridge, then those ants just came pouring out like a flood. I never got up so fast in my life. Only one bit me, but dozens more came close. Other places common black ants are usually much more live and let live.
@@richardpearce9208 Those who restrict your freedom are often reluctant to restore it again, They must be reminded as necessary that they are meant to be stewards and representatives of a region and of the will of a population of people, but they are not the parents or the boss of you. Be blessed.✨🕊✨
Thanks bro I live in my car & it's the 3rd time I've done so in total I've spent 4 + years living in cars also some time in the odd caravan for several months now I'm living in my car again & it's rather sporty seats are so uncomfortable so I tried a pop up tent... bloody soaked first 🌧️ fall. My support worker has given me a 4 person kelty tent & so I thank you for this video as I'm learning about tenting so I don't get the aches & pains from sleeping in a car seat. Thanks for the good advice. Love bro from 🇬🇧
I set up my Zpacks Duplex recently on a tent platform. Didn't realize the platform was rotted in one spot and the end of my tent pole sank into the wood a little so it was too low. The bathtub floor, as a result, was not high enough on one end, and it poured that night. All my stuff on that end of the tent got damp (not sopping wet fortunately.) So with a trekking pole tent, be careful of height! And yes, I learned about being sure the doors were zipped closed before staking things. Not doing that can really mess up your pitch.
Another reason to zip doors shut when taking down the tent -- it keeps at least some water out of the tent if you have to set up later in the rain. It does take some practice and care but it can be done well, particularly if the tent material is very water resistant / water proof.
@@panhandlejake6200 Great advice. Thanks. I have always been sure to detach the vestibule doors from each other before stuffing my tent in the sack. Not sure it made a difference but my thinking was that it would put less stress on the little plastic thingies. (You'd have to be familiar with the Zpacks 'plex design to know what I'm talking about). Now you have me rethinking that. If I set up in the rain with them "closed", that would also help keep water out of the tent.
Great review! Ex Eagle Scout (1967) so with the new tents this was a great way to catch up. I had considered some of these (angle of incline, etc) and your help will get me ahead on the AP!
I'm not sure I caught mistake 3 about how to orient to the wind. You had the narrow end facing the camera but you were facing the side. All sides from my inexperienced viewpoint seemed to be supported by poles. I would think that having a small area facing the wind makes sense. I missed practically what to do.
Great video! I automatically do a lot of these things (maybe someone taught me once?) but the one about keeping the vestibules zipped up to stake them is a new one for me! Thanks!! Subscribing!!
For those without a freestanding tent, get a small (4-6”) plastic level. Tape or tie it to a tent pole or straight walking stick and lay that pole where you are looking at setting up. Turn the tent pole 2-3 times to see what it looks like from more than one direction. It will give you the quickest and most accurate view of the terrain with the least work.
Great video with lots of good tips. I do question the angle of tent pegs. You say to put them at a 45 degree angle. It looks like you are putting them in at a steeper angle of about 60 degrees which is what I always try to use. I think a 45 degree angle leaves the point of the peg too close to the surface and increases the likelihood of the peg ripping through the topsoil. I would enjoy any comments you have.
Great video. I'd love to see one for setting up trekking pole tents. Despite using trekking pole tents for the past 3 years, and watching a couple of different videos, including Darwin's, I can never get the ridge of my Two as nice & tight as I'd like. Thanks for the tip about sticks at the head and foot of the tent. I'll definitely start using that one.
I have an acid reflux condition. Sleeping on a slight incline would actually benefit me. I actually have the head of my bed raised to keep the acid down, so I already sleep on an incline. Thank you for making this video. I've never camped before, but I hope to this fall and videos like this are helping me avoid major beginner mistakes.
1st time I went backpacking, I completely set up my tent in spot where water settles and woke up feeling like I was on a water bed! Luckily the ground sheet and bathtub floor kept me dry inside (shout out to the Naturehike cloud up 2) kept me dry thru atleast 10 to 20 nasty nasty storms! Plus I didn't look for widow makers and a decent size limb did fall about 20 feet from me. wouldn't have killed me, but definitely mess up my tent!
Nothing like a big storm to “test” your site selection and tent prep and setup skills! Storms always come....usually in the dead of night. Due to practice, I sleep like a baby. Be well.
Had a tornado pass by my camp this October... 1 tent destroyed, 1 gone, 2 still there. If the 2 remaining 1 was like nothing happened, the other everything was wet. Don't leave things against tent walls, it wicks water in. Tornado just missed our camp for sure because 300 get away the farmers shed collapsed.
I figured out why he didn't mention widow makers. The title is "6 mistakes..." He probly wanted to talk about widow makers - but that wouldda made 7! 😉
The Zenbivy sleeping bags attach to the mat which eliminates that middle of the night slipped off the mat thing. Great, warm, roomy bags which are easy to adjust to regulate temperature. Highly recomended.
An easy mistake to make is leaving your ground tarp exposed passed the rain fly. Any rain will collect under your tent and soak through getting your gear wet.
Yeap... just learned that the hard way a couple nights ago 😂 luckily my house is two minutes from the state park so I just took my bedding and kids home for the night. We are learning... slowly. I call it training camping lol
Wish you would have shown me this about 50yrs ago! Lol. Very educational and yes, I was pitching my tents wrong! Good info I can pass to the younger ones since the grandkids have the tent.
You should work with Big Agnes in designing the Rhombus line. You didn't mention it in this video, but I did learn from you about putting a stick under the line on my head and foot to make more room.. That was definitely a pro tip. You can add that to the Rhombus line.
I was thinking to myself, who doesn't know this. Then I realised my parents took me tent camping since I was 3 years old and setting up a tent is like walking to me. Thinking back to tent camping with people who didn't do it before, great advice!
Question. If you set up on a slight incline, and you get in the tent and find your head is towards the bottom of the incline, why move the tent? Just swap ends with your body. Also, you talked about setting up in the path of water. It's not just the path of water one should consider. Many camping areas are located near water and often along a stream. Know your escape route and definitely watch a weather forecast. There was a campground in a National Forest in Arkansas. It was located on the Little Missouri River. During the night of June 10-11, 2010 a flash flood along Little Missouri River killed 20 people in the campgrounds of the Albert Pike Recreation Area. In a matter of less than four hours water rose from three feet to over twenty-three feet. One of the saddest things about the flash flood was, anyone camping there could have gone less than 1/4 mile in any direction on the access roads and avoided being washed away.
Thank you for this!! I’m going on my first overnighter in a few weeks. Going to practice setting up my tent a few times before I get out there! Wish me luck! 🙂
I remember using tents ⛺️ all those years ago, I'm so glad I made the switch to hammocks and tarps. But it is nice to still watch your steam/video on RUclips thanks very helpful, so that I could help others
A few other mistakes, with the campspot used in the video 1. open area (clearing) which is very condensation prone (dew) and 2, choise of ground cover - grass - often wet, and contains a lot of water/moist, makes for a colder, wetter, more condensation prone campspot - much better to camp among the trees with drier ground cover :)
When I've researched tent stake angles, all the science points to vertical stake placement for maximum resistance to being pulled up. There are even videos showing this.
Im going camping with guides on friday to sunday so im going to follow all of the tips that you said in this video. Edit: I'm back from camp and I had to put the tent on a little hill.
The first thing I always do with a new tent is replace all static guylines with elasticized shock cord to give the tent fabric and attachment points some flex in high winds and help prevent tent blowdown or tears. It has been a game-changer in 40 to 70 mph gusts and 30+ mph sustained winds.
@@georgcantor7172 Shock cord is thinner, like the stuff round waists or hoods of some jackets - at least round here, and a bungee cord is thick for fastening stuff to roof racks, motorcycle carriers, etc., with hooks on the ends - or of course a very long hi-tech version (hopefully) for jumping off bridges.
@@georgcantor7172 Sometimes called shock cord, elastic cord, or bungee, it is a thinner, lighter version of bungee cord. I have used 1/8" (3mm) and 3/32 (2mm) thickness shock cord, depending. The cord may be tied into loops at the ends for attachment purposes, or mini carabiners may be used. NiteIze makes (or used to make) Mini CamJam attachment devices, which are similar to carabiners but allow for sliding adjustment of cord length, which accept 1.8 mm to 3mm shock cord. NiteIze even made sets with about 6 to 8 inches of pre-attached cord with end stops, which are perfect for attaching tent bottom perimeters to tent stakes. NiteIze also makes a host of other lightweight, low-profile tie-downs and small attachment mechanisms suitable for such cords. Places such as Paracord Planet have an array of thicknesses and colors of cord, including glow-in-the-dark or camouflage depending upon how visible or stealthy you want to be, and such cord may be ordered in hanks or spools of varying foot lengths. You then simply cut to desired length, burn the frayed ends to cauterize them, and then fix to your various tent attachment points using whatever means work best for you.
You forgot some points to consider: 1) check and clear the camping ground of sharp sticks and stones that might puncture or wear down the bottom of your tent 2)watch out for red ants and other nuisances that might invade and bug you at night. 3) depending on the climate, try to catch the morning sun to warm up your tent for you.
Agreed. We always find out where is East and where is shadow before setting up tents. In summer shadow is better, in colder season/weather - sun can warm up your tent if you set it up at right place. Meeting sunrise as a bonus is very inspiring. Can’t wait for summer, lazy chilling in hammock is so cool :)
@@wickeddubz yeah, I always have some sort of pattern by which I assess camping locations. 1) comfort: level ground, quality of the soil and water drainage. 2) safety: dead trees and branches, stone overhangs and risk of falling rocks and avalanches, risks of sudden rising waters and a safe escape route to higher grounds. 3) comfort +: daytime shadow/morning sun location, annoying weeds or bugs, the view and sounds. And depending on elevation and the night temperatures maybe a location near open water.
@@wickeddubz exactly I run hot, sun turns your tent into an oven in the summer. Woken up at 6am boiling because the suns been on the tent for an hour already. Winter though its great.
Thanks, Dan. I’m leaving on moto camping trip in a couple of days. Since I haven’t camped in about two decades your video was quite the refresher. Again, many thanks!
I always remember the advice to pitch on a slight incline, if you can cope with it, because some kinds of ground won't soak away rain, so you can end up flooded on the flat ground, but a slight incline will help it run off. An alternative is flat ground but with an incline very near, so standing water can't build up much height without running down the slope.
Honestly I spend about 3-4 months of the year sleeping in a tent and I like a slight incline, I also often dig a mini moat. The incline helps with my acid reflux to keep stomach acid where it should be.
OK I have something else I need to add here LOL!!! When i was a boy scout we used to do a "winter camping" exercise twice a year, and in Upstate New York it meant camping in weather that was literally 18 degrees outside in often two to three feet of snow!! One thing I learned from THIS experience is, to lay out your ground cloth, in the area where you want to set up your tent then dig the snow out of the footprint by as much as 6 inches or so, and where ever your tent door is add at least three more feet of distance to that area!! By digging into the snow to set up your tent, any wind will hit your tent at a higher angle and become a "wind break" as it does!! This means when you are sleeping you are actually BELOW where the wind if hitting the tent and the sleeping bag will stay warmer as you sleep!! If you can, dig all the way to the ground in the area you want to set up your tent will make it even more stable, BUT sometimes ice can prevent that!! You can also increase any "wind break" by making a wall of snow to which ever side of your tent the wind is coming from, just make it thick enough that it acts as a wall and is NOT close enough to your tent to damage it!!! A small scrap of material on a few tree branches WILL tell you which way the wind is blowing too!!
Mt Hood at 1:23? Solid tips, I'll be sending a few noobie campers to watch this video. An additional tip: Watch out for setting up in a bowl, rain will collect underneath and often permeate the tent floor.
You hit the one error I made during my last camping trip. I also did not set my stacks to the ground. You are using the same stakes I use. Well, I did not walk wide of my stakes, so I split my toe. It’s healed, but it was a stupid mistake. Nice video!
The most common mistake I see new campers make when setting up a tent with a footprint is they let the footprint extend past the edges of the tent so if any water runs off the tent it will catch that water and direct it under their tent. I teach them to make sure their footprint is smaller than the floor and if it’s not, To fold the edges to the ground, not up forming a bathtub, and make sure it remains completely under the tent without peeking past any edges.
I’ve never heard it called a footprint before, I’ve heard more of a Ground Cloth (though it’s plastic) or Tarp. Though I definitely agree, that’s a very common mistake.
@@collinschofield808 The gear tech scene has driven a lot of changes to the vernacular - the REI crew was quick to correct me when I went to buy a 'ground cloth' . The big difference is, a ground cloth used to cost $15 - a footprint will set ya back 100$ ;) (in all honesty, the big difference is that a footprint is usually cut bespoke for the tent, and includes reinforced grommets and /or locating clips to integrate with the tent it is designed for)
@@ewingfox6459Also thank you for explaining! So it's a technical term. It's sometimes hard to understand the technical description (English is not my mother's tongue)
This is the second video I've seen recently warning against inclines. Sometimes there just isn't a tent-sized area of flat ground and a slight incline is fine if you face the head end uphill. I haven't had mat sliding issues, but if you do, there are tapes that will prevent that. I would say that a convex surface is much worse than an incline. And conversely, a slight hollow (about half your height in diameter) can be really comfy.
Helped one of my soldiers set up his tent on his first field exercise with us. It was on an incline but because of the location of our designated sleeping area it was about the best we could do while staying with the group. He was on an incline and I recommended we either scout out a better spot or we rotate his tent. He said he'll be fine so I shrugged it off and said ok. After the field exercise a different NCO who technically out ranks me was asking everybody what they learned. This same soldier that I helped with his tent responded, "If I have to sleep on an incline again, sleep feet down and not sideways." Everybody started laughing cause they all heard me tell him this.
Most people think of widow makers as leaning or dead full trees, but they're also dead branches on top you'd never think about as dangerous. Even if only two inches thick, they fall like a spear. Sometimes you can see them now and then stuck vertically in the ground. You don't want to be under those widow makers, either.
I've done many of these mistakes, but you have to make some of them in order to learn. You'll only make the mistake once :) I want to commend you on the amount of work this video looks like it took. SO many different clips to keep folks engaged. Awesome job Dan!!!
I was camping with my son. We set up in a great little spot. We got back just ahead of the thunderstorm and took a nap. I woke up with the floor undulating and my son looked out. "Dad just go back to sleep and don't look out. I did. We waited, felt like Noah waiting for the waters to drain away. When we went out there was a water line, mostly yellow pollen which came to within an inch of the top of the bathtub floor, almost overtopping through the mesh. That was about 10 inches. We moved. And good job Sierra Designs.
You just made a guy very happy! Going for a trip this weekend, and looking at your video i noticed all the mistakes I was doing before. Yup, I slept in an angle or wrong position, all that you mentioned, that's me! Lol Tks a bunch!
Like the video. Useful it is. Please add to location section the facing. I mean if you have arrived later during the day do you put it west or east? The morning you wake all sweaty is not a nice experience...
Very useful video, especially tip #3 for me. Also made me realize I do stake out my Big Agnes incorrectly as I definitely had folding in my tent floor the first two times I’ve used it 😅 Excited to try it out for a third time now 😁
#4 is not just good advice for a comfortable camp, it can save your life. Lot of people around here like to put their tents on the river bank and the river can come up even if it isnt raining. (it can be raining up river) and literally wash your tent down river with you in it. There isn't any escaping that. Many people in my area drown every year in a tent that got setup on a gravel bank
Also most parks have regulations for how close to a water source you can camp for cleanliness not just safety. We don't want a night rain to flood the river and our camp, nor do we want our fire ash and trash to end up in the stream.
Been there. About 30 years ago without many rules, we had to scramble in the middle of the night to higher ground. Not a cloud In the sky, just something occurring high above us made the river swell to about 3x size. We were camping with toddlers too. Yes, they grew up and survived us.
I learned from an Indigenous man never to camp closer than 50m- preferably 100m from water: 1. the obvious, avoid the flash flood (look for old debris); 2. hygiene, you don't contaminate it with fire remnants, soaps/chemicals/ human waste, food debris ( and eat 20+m from your sleeping spot, ants etc) ; 3. get (further) away from mosquitos 4. don't spook the wildlife that are looking for a drink; 5. if you are looking to hunt wildlife try and get them 100m+/- as they are leaving the waterhole; and 6. if you are in the Northern Territory or far north Queensland you are that much further away from the crocs...
I am living in Sweden, that is partly like living in Alaska... I would love to see this in rocky and icy circumstances, when it is dark, when you arrive at the camp...
I love the idea that you get a choice of camp site. Most places I go backpacking you spend an hour or two looking for a place, any place at all, that you can put a tent up. Thick brush, solid rock, deep bogs, etc etc. At least widow makers are rarely an issue, finding any tree is a rarity.
An incline can be managed by rolling up a couple of your clothes into thin sausages ~ 50mm diameter and wedging them under the down hill side of your mattress.
Hey Dan! Your mention of people setting up a tent in low spots reminded me of our first family camping trip about 54 years ago! My wife repeatedly insisted on putting the tent in a hollow, padded by a thick blanket of pine needles. After about 4 times telling her "You don't want to put the tent there!" I finally gave up and battened down the hatches. It was going to be a very wet night! I made sure our baby who was about 9 or 10 months old was on an air bed and well secured in his sleeping bag because I knew it was going to rain overnight. He's 55 years of age now and I'm not sure if we ever told him about it! I also made sure our full-sized van was close with the built-in bed already deployed. We went to bed shortly after dark. I woke up at about 3 AM with my wife shaking me and complaining about the 3 inches of water that had accumulated in the bottom of the tent. The baby was high and dry on his floating bed! My wife was sopping wet, crying and lamenting that it was raining!!! She demanded the keys to the van, took the baby with her and slept the rest of the night out in the van. I rolled over and went back to sleep! On her next camping trip, and her last, we were 60 miles back in the bush. As we began paddling the canoe, it started to rain! We crossed several beaver dams and still it rained. The river was lined with aquatic plants so there was nowhere to get out and stretch. It rained all day! When we were in sight of our car the rain finally stopped! She's never gone camping again! LOL! 😂🛶
I was taught by a master bushcrafter many years ago that tenting on a slight incline is always preferable to flat ground in that you place your head and equipment on the uphill side and if any rainwater does get in it'll drain out towards the bottom. He also recommended we dig a little trench along the upper side allowing for any rain water to flow around the sides and away from our sleeping area. best advice I've ever gotten and I still do it this way 35 years later
The trench idea is actually really cool! Just make sure to fill the trench again when done! Will definitely remember this one!
@@Guggu3d I guess you could kinda call it a french drain? and yes, we all ways backfill the trench and police our campsite. Our motto is leave it better than the way you found it...
@@piddy3825 Exactly! That's awesome! Happy camping!
Awesome tips!
Army is wheee I learned the same thing
I like setting up on a slight incline with head higher than feet. Also if tent leaks due to bad storms the water goes towards the door with all clothing etc stored towards highest area inside tent to stay dry.
I do this too.
Yep, I do this whenever I can
I do it the opposite way to keep my feet dry and enjoy the nice feeling of blood rushing to my head. I love the way that feels.
As every hammock hiker knows, sleeping with your feet higher than your heart means at least one visit to a tree during the night. Leg edema comes off gradually at night.
Yup. My broken bed at home is at an incline. I can't sleep level anymore.
I like to lay out my footprint/ groundsheet, then lay down on it. That way I only have to adjust the footprint and not the entire tent. Also gives you an opportunity to check the things above your tent
This is brilliant!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The amount of times we set up only to realize it was terrible the incline. Gonna remember this!
So simple and also fantastic
Hi !
Could you describe this process little more detailed ?
I have a MSR Elixir2
Thanks !!
@@georgepotcovaru913 are you talking about what I do? With my backpacking tents I always have a footprint to save wear and tear on the floor of the tent. That is the first thing that gets laid out. I scout out where it looks fairly flat and lay out the footprint only. Then I lie down on it to see how the incline is, (do I have to put my head on the other end, or adjust it somehow). As I am down, I am looking up at what will be above my tent, so I can see if there are deadfall’s, (large broken branches that are still snagged in the tree), bee/wasp hive, (I’ve had a couple spots like that!), etc. If something looks like it could fall and crush my tent, I’ll move the footprint, which is much easier than moving the whole tent after setting it up.
If you don’t have a footprint, then just lay out the body of the tent and do the same before setting it up.
I have been using a cheap Remington (I believe it was sold as a 4 man tent) tent for 24 years now. It sets up easily with 1 man, even on windy days. I have had it up for 4-7 days in rain and heavy snow. This year I had my first problem. I have an 8 month old puppy and by the third day of watching me, he figured out how to unzip the door. I now have a hole (Stake) in the floor so I can tie him in at night with me. He won't run away, but I don't want him getting into it with a skunk, or worse, a bear.
I see you mostly use back pack style tents. Stay away from the ones that have elastic rope in the poles to "Quickly" pop them together if you winter camp. The elastic freezes and you can't get the poles together.
I'd add ventilation to the list of things that should check. One of the most common reasons people have wet tents in the morning is simply from condensation from breathing all night. Good tent ventilation can really help with that.
A) I've never slept on flat ground in a tent unless it was a designated "tent" spot. There was always an incline.
B) You forgot to mention looking for "widow makers" which new backpackers need to know about. Rain may or may not happen. Wind is almost a guarantee. Both can make for a very very bad night if you set up in the wrong spot.
Great job as always.
Came to mention widow makers too.
what's widow maker?
@@MultiCatwolf a tree (dead or dying) that could fall and crush you.
@@MultiCatwolf A tree, as @Lost_Again_with_Jim says, but also large dead branches can snap and fall and they are not as obvious as the dead trees.
Personally I prefer a slight incline. If my feet are above my heart I sleep thru the night comfortably, type 1 diabetic and my feet get cold on the flat or if they are low but if they are high it's good news for me.
Adding. Your tent stake lines should be an extension of the seam line. You get a better taut pitch if you don't angle the tent stake line away from the seam line.
After living in a tent for the past two months, I’ve learn a lot from my mistakes, I now have a 4 person tent with lots of tarps on top and two tarps under, with a Trench dug around my tent for any drain water to flow away from my tent instead of underneath. Also getting an air mattress helped exponentially especially with it getting cold now. Two 20 degree rated sleeping bags one on bottom and one on top help out significantly as well! Also dehumidifier bags are a must! Finally feels like I have my own home, just hope I don’t get ran off again on the new land I found, it sucks getting evicted
it sucks getting evicted? Well duh
@@rickstout01who’s fault?
Love the idea of staking opposite corners rather than clockwise
I went camping a few times with my father when I was little, and apparently my father was a great teacher because I knew all of this and more by heart. To the point where I once setup camp along 70 other people and during the night we had HEAVY waterfall, and when I woke up the water was to the line of the bottom of the tent and the inside was still completely dry. Everyone else had their tents flooded.
Another staking tip. When you take down your tent, release the tensioners on the guy-lines so they have slack in them again. Then when you set up the next time, you have room left to tension back up to remove the slack from your lines and tension the tent/flys properly. I have seen many rookies that do not know how to properly use a guy line and have them cinched up near the top so that there is no slack to properly make the tent materials taut and functional.
Those are good tips that I figured out over the years. One that I learned the hard way on one of my 1st BP trips is not to brush away all of the ground cover, pine needles, etc that will be under your tent. I camped over a pre-swept spot from another BPer. That night it rained pretty good, & all the water pooled underneath me. It was like I was on a waterbed. So leave the ground cover, just remove sharp objects like pine cones, etc.
One thing I've noticed helps a lot, at least with tents that hook to the poles rather than sleeved poles, is if you stake the tent out flat before putting the poles in. It helps to get the bottom layed out flat and taught and just makes for a generally better pitch in my experience.
Great ideas and easy to follow. I was also taught to do trenches around the tent to allow the water to drain around and not through the tent.
My first night backpacking was horrible. The weather was crappy, and it took me way to long to get to camp, I ended up setting my tent up in the first clear spot I found, and did not realize it was on a huge root. I was just too tired and hungry to care. Thank you for this video. I'm going go use these tips on my next trip!
First Dan Becker video I ever watched! Spent the last 45 minutes scrolling down my RUclips history to figure out what got me started on this whole backpacking thing over a year ago. First two backpacking videos I ever watched was from Mylife Outdoors, and this was the third one. Saturday 16th of July 2022. Then, RUclips's algorithm did its thing and since then I've watched hundreds if not a thousand backpacking videos. I've also logged more than 200km of trips on my All Trails with 55 more coming next week when I'm hitting the Laugavegur trail in Iceland. Thanks for everything Dan! Hope you are doing OK all things considered
As an eagle scout myself, I'm not as picky with my tent location as I could be. I have my preferences, flat open land with tall grass that creates its own cushion is awesome, but a lot of times at scout camps I don't really have much choice, so we mostly just deal with it. The incline issue isn't so big, just put your head uphill. You're absolutely right about the water issue, but I've had a few bad storms where my tent has been in a few inches of standing water afterwards, and my MSR has been bone dry inside. Above all else, if I'm tire enough, I'll sleep just fine! Great video, lots of good info for beginners (Especially the stake bit)
All great tips Dan. Only thing I didn’t hear you talk about in this video is looking up for “WIDOW MAKERS!” This is something that cold weather campers in particular should always be on the lookout for. Seeing that the branches often weaken by the end of the summer season from all the foliage, make sure you look up!!
helpful video! i have camped with folks who are completely unexperienced and 100% these are the most common mistakes. I would add this mistake: they also have no real idea how to set up their own tent. Once i ended up setting up 4 tents on a trip lol. bunch of newbies but thats just fine! i like setting up tents...main mistake there is just not knowing your tent well enough to get the best set up. sounds corny, but being famaliar with your gear and its optimal use makes a huge difference.
You 4 I 10. But that's just scouts for you and kids do have to learn how to put up tents properly somehow so watching is a start!
Adding. Look for ground wasp holes. Use a ground cover tarp. Use sealant and moisture repellent. Take extra tarps and duct tape for wet weather, spent many weeks camping in rain,stayed dry and it was great, no other campers during the floods, so we fished, played card and dice games, read books, and had the nearby caves to ourselves.
That is a great point that a lot of people overlook about taking a few extra tarps with you!! BUT I also throw in a roll of rope, along with my duct tape as well!! If you can find one, an old Boy Scout Handbook will show you how to make waterproof matches and fire starters, which can be a game changer, and I think Walmart even sells those items in the camping section if you don't have access to materials!! Another thing to think about is taking a spare tent, that is smaller to store your gear in as well!! Some tents are rather small and having a place to get your cooler out of the blazing sun all day WILL save you from having to replace ice in thirty minutes and can keep your other supplies dry as well too!!! It also is NOT a bad idea to make what I would call a "Camp Kit"!! Take a medium sized Rubbermaid tote with a lid and fill it with your duct tape, rope, extra tent stakes, a couple of candles (the candle stick kind), a block of Paraffin wax, a few extra trash bags and some spare camp lantern mantles and a BIC lighter or two!!! A few other things to throw in to that kit would include an SOS pad that has steel wool around it or a cheap bag of steel wool And a few unopened bottles of "travel size" soaps, shampoo and dish soap!!
Making up this kit will save you in a lot of cases for some of the "strange things that can happen" while camping!! And the "kit" doesn't have to be that big either, about the size of a large shoe storage box that can store a pair of boots in!! AND the steel wool can be used to start a fire in case you are out of fire starters, but you have access to a battery, even a 9 volt battery will cause the steel wool to burn in case you need it!!
And ants...
Nearby caves too small?😅
@@oakmaiden2133 the cave with the largest natural opening is there, a helicopter has flown into it. Most of the caves are large, but personally I don't camp in caves, as there are no hook ups for my projector, expresso maker and gaming PC.
Thinking back over the past 35 or 40 years of regularly going camping - I've definitely made every single one of those mistakes at some point or another, and a few trips were multiple mistakes on this list all in the same trip.
Good stuff! Thanks. I'm an old man now, but this eagle scout once slept on an incline, with my head on the downhill side. I woke up with a big headache. Lesson learned.
I read an experiment showing that 90 degree angle (perpendicular to ground) is actually the strongest angle when staking a tent. That's how I've been doing after reading it, and I've never had an issue even in sandy ground.
Allow me to pedantic. The angle he put the stakes in is shallower than 45. I’d say closer to 30 degrees. I find a slight angle helps keep the tent line on the end of the stake and it’s also easier to press into the ground with your foot (if you use your foot sink the stake into the ground)
From an engineering point of view it should be 90 degrees to the force that it is combating, so for a groundsheet or footprint vertical is good. For a guy-line you should have an angle and, depending on the tent design, flysheet may or may not require an angle. It's fundamental triangle of forces stuff. If you are not sure put your tent up in very soft sand and study which way the various pegs pull out.
@@alangauld6079 It is physics too simplified. In real world the stake rely more on the friction, less on the weight of the soil, to provide the hold.
@@marcofeature engineering is physics
Thanks. I'm starting with a tent. I don't need to push my self to tarp etc. Now I know basics, even though I spent 7 weeks in tent 20 years ago during summer when I was a teen. Thanks again.
You should do a part 2 - Setting up on exposed or partially exposed rock. I've had to set up in spots that are just barren rock, or partially covered with a couple inches of moss. It's pretty common in some areas depending on the geology, etc. It's not as easy to get a nice taut tent when there isn't enough soil to peg properly.
There are times when the only available spots to pitch a tent are sloped. As you stated, if you need to do this, set it up so it aligns with the slope, one end up and the other down and make sure your head will be on the upper side of the slope. Water drainage is also very important as you stated. My only issue I ever had was when I was on the receiving end of a 75 mile + straight line wind and my tent became partially airborne. When I hiked out the next day, the wind event was in the news with flipped semi-tractor trailers and some buildings knocked down and others damaged.
Thanks for the video! Just a minor note: you might know your soil, but you shouldn’t push the ground peg down with your foot, in case you hit a rock. As your body weight will bend the peg against the rock before you notice the resistance, as it’s relative to the bending/material of your peg.
We set up tent along some small branches of a lake, up in Norway... During the night, a rotten tree fell in the stream and made a branch overflow and change direction... right through our tent...
Always camp uphill from lakes/streams ect.
Great video 👍 I organise hiking and camping trips so I’ll be passing this on to newbies.
Only criticism is your points on setup in windy conditions. I know the right way, but I had to replay it several times and it’s not that clear.
Setting up tents was always fun. digging the drainage ditches. setting up the frames, then the outer body, and stitching the inner liner to it after. laying out the flooring, moving in the cots, lockers, tables, and equipment. bringing in the stove. sometimes even having to lay the power lines.
Can’t forget the plumbing and AC!
@@matthours1783 plumbing, the big 55 gal water drums, with the electric water pump and hot water on demand propane heater... canvas bathrub and shower, portable toilet and sink combo.
Never used ac when camping but i prefer winter camping...
Camping on the plains where everything looked the same, I pitched with one of my main poles aligned with North/South. Just helped myself orient easier. (at my age)
Thank you for that 45-degree stake tip
What your doing with the pegs corner to corner is exactly the same as in construction and engineering when you have what’s called ‘sequential tightening’ where you evenly tighten or load the bolts or anchor points to even out the stress load . Incredibly simple and obvious thing too do but like so many ‘lightbulb’ moments only once someone has actually told you about it ! 😉 keep up the good work bud 👍
You do that when tightening screws on a chair or table. I've made plenty of mistakes setting up camp, but circling my tent to drive in stakes wasn't one of them!
I add a second stake next to the vestibule stake you showed. The loose side of the vestibule zipper can be hooked over the second stake in order to make it easier to zip and unzip it without pressure on the zipper. Also allows me to partially close the rain fly instead of zipping it shut, for quick trips out of the tent.
Although we didn’t have free standing tents when I was a Boy Scout, (we had Army surplus pup tents with no floors), I learned these same general skills. Thanks for covering each step of the process.
Bring about 10 extra para cord sections about 3 feet long each. I backpack in the Sierra mountains in the summer where the soil or ground can and is very rocky and hard. Those very light aluminum tent stakes don't have a chance going into the ground.
This is the time I use maybe 6 to 10 heavy rocks around my tent. Each of these encircled with a 3 foot para cord will hold my tent in the
highest Sierra nighttime winds. I look for rocks maybe over 10 to 20 pounds that will withstand storm winds.
We had one night above Lake Ediza near Mammoth Lakes about 3 miles off the john muir trail at about 10,500 feet elevation. There was a wind storm predicted for the higher Sierras near the minneretts for that night reaching 70 mph near the peaks.
We were in a depression surrounded by trees behind maybe a 80 foot huge rock mound to provide wind protection. The wind blew all night with
strong gusts that violently shook the tent with the fly all night. Every 10 to 5 minutes the tent shook from the winds. It was not a good nights sleep but a fitfull night.
The tent did not move with the heavy rocks holding it stationary in these high winds.
I always carry these 10 extra 3 foot sections of para cord for my tent . The extra weight is very small in a few grams taking nearly no extra space.
Another point I would add is to ensure your fly/vestibule is COMPLETELY covering the entire tent/footprint. Having a corner of the tent or footprint sticking out past the fly by not tightening the fly all the way can act as a wick and start to fill your tent with water when it rains.
Very true. So his guy lines should have been that taunt?
If your ground cloth is larger then your tent footprint ALWAYS fold the excess ground cloth UNDER ITSELF!! AND never fold the ground cloth OVER itself!! The ground cloth will create an "envelope" and hold water in the pocket that is created causing your tent floor to puddle where ever that pocket is!!
Nice.
The way I describe staking a tent is it's like tuning a drum (exactly how you did it), it maintains an even amount of tension and doesn't move the tent, potentially distorting the shape and creating hotspots where damage can build up.
Great video and advice.
There was one point where I don't agree, if I HAVE to sleep on an incline I would gladly sleep with my head on the low side of the incline.
Especially if I had a long hiking day.
It is very nice and soothing for the legs, sleeping with the legs low might make them swollen and badly rested the next morning.
Of course, I'm talking about small differences here, I certainly wouldnt want my feet sticking up a foot or two above my head, but an inch or a few, that's ok.
Yes, I was going to make the same point. It's always better to sleep on a slight incline. It also helps with indigestion and headaches when you are eating unusual campfire food, at high altitude, and potentially drinking all night.
I think this would be based on age and fitness level also. A younger person with excellent circulation could focus on comfort and not be concerned about fluid build up in the legs. 40+ and maybe a little less athleticism… I agree it’s something to consider.
@@modestdaddy2000 I absolutely think you are right, age bring slower reconstitution with regard to almost everything in the body.
Which, at least in part, can be compensated by being fit and excersise often.
Sleeping with the head lower than the heart is like the worst things one could do. Elevating the legs is great but not at the expense of the brain. Even lying flat isn't that great. The reason the legs need to be elevated after a day of being on them is the same reason the head needs to be elevated. Do a little research before putting horrible ideas in people's heads.
@@chrisfoxwell4128 You know, there is a thing called pillow?
To elevate the head!?
I'm not suggesting hanging upside down like a bat. We are talking like 2-4 inches here, maybe 6, top! (From head to feet, from head to heart is probably not even an inch lower, without a pillow.)
More than that and you wont have a good night sleep no matter which way the tent slope.
Hey man. I'm an Eagle Scout and now Scout leader. Good job setting up setting up a tent
Setup my Snugpak Ionosphere in a peat bog, seemed fine when it was dry. Very glad of the deep bathtub and high hydrostatic rating after it poured with rain over night. Joy of the Scottish Highlands....
Hell yeah. Just solo camped with my own on pine mountain. Gotta love ionosphere👍
Wow I never knew that putting stakes in the ground could be such an art. You really know how to put stakes in the ground thank you so much.
If you want to sleep in the morning, look for a shade spot during the sunrise. I do beach camping and when that sun comes up at 6:30 the tent is like a sauna(especially if the boys were drinking the night before)
Wind often changes direction at nightfall. One thing to keep in mind. Storm winds directions are not predictable and change by the minute during the storm.
Glad you touched on cold pools. I can't stress this enough with newbies. I have seen 20 degree differences within a quarter mile because of cold air poring off of high elevation mountains.
Free/semifree standing tent might not be the lightest. But man oh man do i love the ability to just set up the tent, and then being able to move it around, if im not happy with something.
For those who are out many nights every year in mountain country, sloping ground is inevitable sometimes. This is why I now often take a hammock which is NOT my preferred way to sleep, but it opens up many options for a quick overnight so an adventure can really be an adventure and not limited to a tourist schedule.
Tripods work well if there are no real trees
@@bovinicusdivinicus there's a thought. I'm trying to think of a scenario. Basically, a hammock sucks imo after giving one a long trial. It just utterly fails to provide back support. This is not so much an issue with young hikers I realize. But sometimes ground conditions suck much more...like the northern Cascades when rains begin (about this time of year). Rainy, muddy, sloping ground, etc., but no shortage of trees.
Maybe the Sierra (idk) above the treeline or when ground is snow covered, but one would have to plan ahead (cut poles). I pack heavy by current opinions, but my only pole is a short slide arrester (my own hack), essentially a lightwight, lightduty (hiker style) ice ax, but my pack (framed) could actually be anchored to support one hammock end.
Never know when a tip could lead to a useful bushcraft fix. Thanks for gettin me thinkin on that one.
This helped me aloooot going camping for the first time and want to avoid any bad trips so i keep going plusThis guy also gave me jim from the office vibes 😂 !
I know this was a quick and simply video. Clearing the ground is a must, WIDOW MAKERS a must and for me in Australia check for ANT NESTS and any other creepy crawly house….Love your stuff Dan. Keeping me sane ( as sane as can be expected) during our lockdown 6.0….thanks
In the western US there is such a variety of ants that it's not so easy to have fixed rules aside from awareness about food. I have also noticed activity usually increases with temperature. Warm nights = busy ants 24hrs, but in one semi-desert like low area of a long trail I got schooled on red ants which were nowhere to be seen until the second the sun popped over the far ridge, then those ants just came pouring out like a flood. I never got up so fast in my life. Only one bit me, but dozens more came close.
Other places common black ants are usually much more live and let live.
Yeah, I'm really surprised the "clearing the ground" was missed.
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@@1strights no freedom just tears....longest city in lockdown yay
@@richardpearce9208 Those who restrict your freedom are often reluctant to restore it again,
They must be reminded as necessary that they are meant to be stewards and representatives of a region and of the will of a population of people, but they are not the parents or the boss of you.
Be blessed.✨🕊✨
Thanks bro I live in my car & it's the 3rd time I've done so in total I've spent 4 + years living in cars also some time in the odd caravan for several months now I'm living in my car again & it's rather sporty seats are so uncomfortable so I tried a pop up tent... bloody soaked first 🌧️ fall. My support worker has given me a 4 person kelty tent & so I thank you for this video as I'm learning about tenting so I don't get the aches & pains from sleeping in a car seat. Thanks for the good advice. Love bro from 🇬🇧
I set up my Zpacks Duplex recently on a tent platform. Didn't realize the platform was rotted in one spot and the end of my tent pole sank into the wood a little so it was too low. The bathtub floor, as a result, was not high enough on one end, and it poured that night. All my stuff on that end of the tent got damp (not sopping wet fortunately.) So with a trekking pole tent, be careful of height!
And yes, I learned about being sure the doors were zipped closed before staking things. Not doing that can really mess up your pitch.
Another reason to zip doors shut when taking down the tent -- it keeps at least some water out of the tent if you have to set up later in the rain. It does take some practice and care but it can be done well, particularly if the tent material is very water resistant / water proof.
@@panhandlejake6200 Great advice. Thanks. I have always been sure to detach the vestibule doors from each other before stuffing my tent in the sack. Not sure it made a difference but my thinking was that it would put less stress on the little plastic thingies. (You'd have to be familiar with the Zpacks 'plex design to know what I'm talking about). Now you have me rethinking that. If I set up in the rain with them "closed", that would also help keep water out of the tent.
Great review! Ex Eagle Scout (1967) so with the new tents this was a great way to catch up. I had considered some of these (angle of incline, etc) and your help will get me ahead on the AP!
Once an Eagle, Always an Eagle!
I'm not sure I caught mistake 3 about how to orient to the wind. You had the narrow end facing the camera but you were facing the side. All sides from my inexperienced viewpoint seemed to be supported by poles. I would think that having a small area facing the wind makes sense. I missed practically what to do.
Great video! I automatically do a lot of these things (maybe someone taught me once?) but the one about keeping the vestibules zipped up to stake them is a new one for me! Thanks!! Subscribing!!
For those without a freestanding tent, get a small (4-6”) plastic level. Tape or tie it to a tent pole or straight walking stick and lay that pole where you are looking at setting up. Turn the tent pole 2-3 times to see what it looks like from more than one direction. It will give you the quickest and most accurate view of the terrain with the least work.
Water in a Nalgene is a great level too
@@moose9689 water bottles work too but only if you have clear bottles. Always good to have a backup.
Great video with lots of good tips. I do question the angle of tent pegs. You say to put them at a 45 degree angle. It looks like you are putting them in at a steeper angle of about 60 degrees which is what I always try to use. I think a 45 degree angle leaves the point of the peg too close to the surface and increases the likelihood of the peg ripping through the topsoil. I would enjoy any comments you have.
Great video. I'd love to see one for setting up trekking pole tents. Despite using trekking pole tents for the past 3 years, and watching a couple of different videos, including Darwin's, I can never get the ridge of my Two as nice & tight as I'd like.
Thanks for the tip about sticks at the head and foot of the tent. I'll definitely start using that one.
I have an acid reflux condition. Sleeping on a slight incline would actually benefit me. I actually have the head of my bed raised to keep the acid down, so I already sleep on an incline. Thank you for making this video. I've never camped before, but I hope to this fall and videos like this are helping me avoid major beginner mistakes.
1st time I went backpacking, I completely set up my tent in spot where water settles and woke up feeling like I was on a water bed! Luckily the ground sheet and bathtub floor kept me dry inside (shout out to the Naturehike cloud up 2) kept me dry thru atleast 10 to 20 nasty nasty storms! Plus I didn't look for widow makers and a decent size limb did fall about 20 feet from me. wouldn't have killed me, but definitely mess up my tent!
I learned a lot. Including that “flown” applies to both “fly” and “flow”. 😆👍
Nothing like a big storm to “test” your site selection and tent prep and setup skills!
Storms always come....usually in the dead of night.
Due to practice, I sleep like a baby.
Be well.
moments like that i go to the car and sleep there
Had a tornado pass by my camp this October... 1 tent destroyed, 1 gone, 2 still there. If the 2 remaining 1 was like nothing happened, the other everything was wet.
Don't leave things against tent walls, it wicks water in.
Tornado just missed our camp for sure because 300 get away the farmers shed collapsed.
I figured out why he didn't mention widow makers. The title is "6 mistakes..." He probly wanted to talk about widow makers - but that wouldda made 7! 😉
Had a pretty nice overnight storm in Oregon, first time camping there and camping in a few years. Absolutely watertight💪
@@madisntit6547 yeah he should have said sleeps like the dad of a new baby! Through the night without interruption 😂
The Zenbivy sleeping bags attach to the mat which eliminates that middle of the night slipped off the mat thing. Great, warm, roomy bags which are easy to adjust to regulate temperature. Highly recomended.
An easy mistake to make is leaving your ground tarp exposed passed the rain fly. Any rain will collect under your tent and soak through getting your gear wet.
Yeap... just learned that the hard way a couple nights ago 😂 luckily my house is two minutes from the state park so I just took my bedding and kids home for the night. We are learning... slowly. I call it training camping lol
"past" the rain fly
@@Losangelesharvey Thank you so much. I had NO WAY of understanding the sentence without the correct spelling. *sarcastic relief*
@@Lauren_K Happy to help!
@@Losangelesharvey keep up the useless work! Or do something better with your life
Wish you would have shown me this about 50yrs ago! Lol. Very educational and yes, I was pitching my tents wrong! Good info I can pass to the younger ones since the grandkids have the tent.
You should work with Big Agnes in designing the Rhombus line. You didn't mention it in this video, but I did learn from you about putting a stick under the line on my head and foot to make more room.. That was definitely a pro tip. You can add that to the Rhombus line.
Can you please provide a link to the video with this stick tip? Not sure I'm understanding the reference.
Good vid, thanks. And even better with the useful comments. Some really good extra advice here!
I was thinking to myself, who doesn't know this. Then I realised my parents took me tent camping since I was 3 years old and setting up a tent is like walking to me. Thinking back to tent camping with people who didn't do it before, great advice!
Agreed Alex! Some good info none the less!
Question. If you set up on a slight incline, and you get in the tent and find your head is towards the bottom of the incline, why move the tent? Just swap ends with your body. Also, you talked about setting up in the path of water. It's not just the path of water one should consider. Many camping areas are located near water and often along a stream. Know your escape route and definitely watch a weather forecast. There was a campground in a National Forest in Arkansas. It was located on the Little Missouri River. During the night of June 10-11, 2010 a flash flood along Little Missouri River killed 20 people in the campgrounds of the Albert Pike Recreation Area. In a matter of less than four hours water rose from three feet to over twenty-three feet. One of the saddest things about the flash flood was, anyone camping there could have gone less than 1/4 mile in any direction on the access roads and avoided being washed away.
Thank you for this!! I’m going on my first overnighter in a few weeks. Going to practice setting up my tent a few times before I get out there! Wish me luck! 🙂
Awesome! You’re welcome and good luck!
I remember using tents ⛺️ all those years ago, I'm so glad I made the switch to hammocks and tarps. But it is nice to still watch your steam/video on RUclips thanks very helpful, so that I could help others
A few other mistakes, with the campspot used in the video 1. open area (clearing) which is very condensation prone (dew) and 2, choise of ground cover - grass - often wet, and contains a lot of water/moist, makes for a colder, wetter, more condensation prone campspot - much better to camp among the trees with drier ground cover :)
But don't forget to check the trees so nothing falls on your tent!
@@judylloyd7901 of course :)
Moist
@@dubthedirector yes? not sure i understand your comment ? :)
@@outsiderswalks5460 got to look out for "widow makers" though if camping in the trees
When I've researched tent stake angles, all the science points to vertical stake placement for maximum resistance to being pulled up. There are even videos showing this.
All squares are rhombuses but not all rhombuses are squares. Seriously, these are some quality instructional quick tips and a fun video! Thanks Dan!
Im going camping with guides on friday to sunday so im going to follow all of the tips that you said in this video.
Edit: I'm back from camp and I had to put the tent on a little hill.
The first thing I always do with a new tent is replace all static guylines with elasticized shock cord to give the tent fabric and attachment points some flex in high winds and help prevent tent blowdown or tears. It has been a game-changer in 40 to 70 mph gusts and 30+ mph sustained winds.
Great tip!
Is that the same thing as a bungee cord?
@@georgcantor7172 Shock cord is thinner, like the stuff round waists or hoods of some jackets - at least round here, and a bungee cord is thick for fastening stuff to roof racks, motorcycle carriers, etc., with hooks on the ends - or of course a very long hi-tech version (hopefully) for jumping off bridges.
@@georgcantor7172 Sometimes called shock cord, elastic cord, or bungee, it is a thinner, lighter version of bungee cord. I have used 1/8" (3mm) and 3/32 (2mm) thickness shock cord, depending. The cord may be tied into loops at the ends for attachment purposes, or mini carabiners may be used. NiteIze makes (or used to make) Mini CamJam attachment devices, which are similar to carabiners but allow for sliding adjustment of cord length, which accept 1.8 mm to 3mm shock cord. NiteIze even made sets with about 6 to 8 inches of pre-attached cord with end stops, which are perfect for attaching tent bottom perimeters to tent stakes. NiteIze also makes a host of other lightweight, low-profile tie-downs and small attachment mechanisms suitable for such cords. Places such as Paracord Planet have an array of thicknesses and colors of cord, including glow-in-the-dark or camouflage depending upon how visible or stealthy you want to be, and such cord may be ordered in hanks or spools of varying foot lengths. You then simply cut to desired length, burn the frayed ends to cauterize them, and then fix to your various tent attachment points using whatever means work best for you.
That's what I thought...i would love to see a vid on this. Can't you buy some ready to use, at Home Depot?
I am an Eagle Scout, and I always pick a slight incline
You forgot some points to consider:
1) check and clear the camping ground of sharp sticks and stones that might puncture or wear down the bottom of your tent
2)watch out for red ants and other nuisances that might invade and bug you at night.
3) depending on the climate, try to catch the morning sun to warm up your tent for you.
Agreed. We always find out where is East and where is shadow before setting up tents. In summer shadow is better, in colder season/weather - sun can warm up your tent if you set it up at right place. Meeting sunrise as a bonus is very inspiring. Can’t wait for summer, lazy chilling in hammock is so cool :)
@@wickeddubz yeah, I always have some sort of pattern by which I assess camping locations.
1) comfort: level ground, quality of the soil and water drainage.
2) safety: dead trees and branches, stone overhangs and risk of falling rocks and avalanches, risks of sudden rising waters and a safe escape route to higher grounds.
3) comfort +: daytime shadow/morning sun location, annoying weeds or bugs, the view and sounds. And depending on elevation and the night temperatures maybe a location near open water.
And make sure you're not set up in a game trail. We got "moosed" on a junior high trip once.
Don't set up under/near dead trees or half broken branches.
@@wickeddubz exactly I run hot, sun turns your tent into an oven in the summer. Woken up at 6am boiling because the suns been on the tent for an hour already. Winter though its great.
Thanks, Dan. I’m leaving on moto camping trip in a couple of days. Since I haven’t camped in about two decades your video was quite the refresher. Again, many thanks!
I always remember the advice to pitch on a slight incline, if you can cope with it, because some kinds of ground won't soak away rain, so you can end up flooded on the flat ground, but a slight incline will help it run off. An alternative is flat ground but with an incline very near, so standing water can't build up much height without running down the slope.
Honestly I spend about 3-4 months of the year sleeping in a tent and I like a slight incline, I also often dig a mini moat. The incline helps with my acid reflux to keep stomach acid where it should be.
@@xursed7990 why do you spend so much time sleeping in nature?
OK I have something else I need to add here LOL!!! When i was a boy scout we used to do a "winter camping" exercise twice a year, and in Upstate New York it meant camping in weather that was literally 18 degrees outside in often two to three feet of snow!! One thing I learned from THIS experience is, to lay out your ground cloth, in the area where you want to set up your tent then dig the snow out of the footprint by as much as 6 inches or so, and where ever your tent door is add at least three more feet of distance to that area!! By digging into the snow to set up your tent, any wind will hit your tent at a higher angle and become a "wind break" as it does!! This means when you are sleeping you are actually BELOW where the wind if hitting the tent and the sleeping bag will stay warmer as you sleep!! If you can, dig all the way to the ground in the area you want to set up your tent will make it even more stable, BUT sometimes ice can prevent that!! You can also increase any "wind break" by making a wall of snow to which ever side of your tent the wind is coming from, just make it thick enough that it acts as a wall and is NOT close enough to your tent to damage it!!! A small scrap of material on a few tree branches WILL tell you which way the wind is blowing too!!
Mt Hood at 1:23? Solid tips, I'll be sending a few noobie campers to watch this video. An additional tip: Watch out for setting up in a bowl, rain will collect underneath and often permeate the tent floor.
You hit the one error I made during my last camping trip. I also did not set my stacks to the ground. You are using the same stakes I use. Well, I did not walk wide of my stakes, so I split my toe. It’s healed, but it was a stupid mistake. Nice video!
The most common mistake I see new campers make when setting up a tent with a footprint is they let the footprint extend past the edges of the tent so if any water runs off the tent it will catch that water and direct it under their tent. I teach them to make sure their footprint is smaller than the floor and if it’s not, To fold the edges to the ground, not up forming a bathtub, and make sure it remains completely under the tent without peeking past any edges.
Very helpful. Thank you
I’ve never heard it called a footprint before, I’ve heard more of a Ground Cloth (though it’s plastic) or Tarp. Though I definitely agree, that’s a very common mistake.
@@collinschofield808 The gear tech scene has driven a lot of changes to the vernacular - the REI crew was quick to correct me when I went to buy a 'ground cloth' . The big difference is, a ground cloth used to cost $15 - a footprint will set ya back 100$ ;) (in all honesty, the big difference is that a footprint is usually cut bespoke for the tent, and includes reinforced grommets and /or locating clips to integrate with the tent it is designed for)
@@collinschofield808thank you, I was wondering what "footprint" meant and you explained very nicely.
@@ewingfox6459Also thank you for explaining! So it's a technical term. It's sometimes hard to understand the technical description (English is not my mother's tongue)
This is the second video I've seen recently warning against inclines. Sometimes there just isn't a tent-sized area of flat ground and a slight incline is fine if you face the head end uphill. I haven't had mat sliding issues, but if you do, there are tapes that will prevent that. I would say that a convex surface is much worse than an incline. And conversely, a slight hollow (about half your height in diameter) can be really comfy.
Helped one of my soldiers set up his tent on his first field exercise with us. It was on an incline but because of the location of our designated sleeping area it was about the best we could do while staying with the group. He was on an incline and I recommended we either scout out a better spot or we rotate his tent. He said he'll be fine so I shrugged it off and said ok. After the field exercise a different NCO who technically out ranks me was asking everybody what they learned. This same soldier that I helped with his tent responded, "If I have to sleep on an incline again, sleep feet down and not sideways." Everybody started laughing cause they all heard me tell him this.
he has a future as a politician
Most people think of widow makers as leaning or dead full trees, but they're also dead branches on top you'd never think about as dangerous. Even if only two inches thick, they fall like a spear. Sometimes you can see them now and then stuck vertically in the ground. You don't want to be under those widow makers, either.
I've done many of these mistakes, but you have to make some of them in order to learn. You'll only make the mistake once :) I want to commend you on the amount of work this video looks like it took. SO many different clips to keep folks engaged. Awesome job Dan!!!
I was camping with my son. We set up in a great little spot. We got back just ahead of the thunderstorm and took a nap. I woke up with the floor undulating and my son looked out. "Dad just go back to sleep and don't look out. I did. We waited, felt like Noah waiting for the waters to drain away. When we went out there was a water line, mostly yellow pollen which came to within an inch of the top of the bathtub floor, almost overtopping through the mesh. That was about 10 inches.
We moved.
And good job Sierra Designs.
You just made a guy very happy! Going for a trip this weekend, and looking at your video i noticed all the mistakes I was doing before. Yup, I slept in an angle or wrong position, all that you mentioned, that's me! Lol Tks a bunch!
Like the video. Useful it is. Please add to location section the facing. I mean if you have arrived later during the day do you put it west or east? The morning you wake all sweaty is not a nice experience...
Very useful video, especially tip #3 for me. Also made me realize I do stake out my Big Agnes incorrectly as I definitely had folding in my tent floor the first two times I’ve used it 😅 Excited to try it out for a third time now 😁
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Here in the UK, a freestanding tent isn't going to much use most of the time if you're out in the hills, it's just too windy.
#4 is not just good advice for a comfortable camp, it can save your life. Lot of people around here like to put their tents on the river bank and the river can come up even if it isnt raining. (it can be raining up river) and literally wash your tent down river with you in it. There isn't any escaping that. Many people in my area drown every year in a tent that got setup on a gravel bank
Also most parks have regulations for how close to a water source you can camp for cleanliness not just safety. We don't want a night rain to flood the river and our camp, nor do we want our fire ash and trash to end up in the stream.
Been there. About 30 years ago without many rules, we had to scramble in the middle of the night to higher ground. Not a cloud In the sky, just something occurring high above us made the river swell to about 3x size. We were camping with toddlers too. Yes, they grew up and survived us.
I learned from an Indigenous man never to camp closer than 50m- preferably 100m from water: 1. the obvious, avoid the flash flood (look for old debris); 2. hygiene, you don't contaminate it with fire remnants, soaps/chemicals/ human waste, food debris ( and eat 20+m from your sleeping spot, ants etc) ; 3. get (further) away from mosquitos 4. don't spook the wildlife that are looking for a drink; 5. if you are looking to hunt wildlife try and get them 100m+/- as they are leaving the waterhole; and 6. if you are in the Northern Territory or far north Queensland you are that much further away from the crocs...
I am living in Sweden, that is partly like living in Alaska... I would love to see this in rocky and icy circumstances, when it is dark, when you arrive at the camp...
I love the idea that you get a choice of camp site. Most places I go backpacking you spend an hour or two looking for a place, any place at all, that you can put a tent up. Thick brush, solid rock, deep bogs, etc etc. At least widow makers are rarely an issue, finding any tree is a rarity.
An incline can be managed by rolling up a couple of your clothes into thin sausages ~ 50mm diameter and wedging them under the down hill side of your mattress.
I camped on gravel bar last weekend and it was in a low area. It was finer rocks then other places. It was between bigger rocks and a hard place.
Ha. Between a rock and a hard place!
The difference between "bad" and "worse" is often more significant than the difference between "good and "better".
good video thanks - but still not clear about wind: you DO or DO NOT want the "sharp" end of the tent pointing into the wind? (seems like you do)
Hey Dan! Your mention of people setting up a tent in low spots reminded me of our first family camping trip about 54 years ago! My wife repeatedly insisted on putting the tent in a hollow, padded by a thick blanket of pine needles. After about 4 times telling her "You don't want to put the tent there!" I finally gave up and battened down the hatches. It was going to be a very wet night!
I made sure our baby who was about 9 or 10 months old was on an air bed and well secured in his sleeping bag because I knew it was going to rain overnight. He's 55 years of age now and I'm not sure if we ever told him about it! I also made sure our full-sized van was close with the built-in bed already deployed. We went to bed shortly after dark. I woke up at about 3 AM with my wife shaking me and complaining about the 3 inches of water that had accumulated in the bottom of the tent. The baby was high and dry on his floating bed! My wife was sopping wet, crying and lamenting that it was raining!!! She demanded the keys to the van, took the baby with her and slept the rest of the night out in the van. I rolled over and went back to sleep! On her next camping trip, and her last, we were 60 miles back in the bush. As we began paddling the canoe, it started to rain! We crossed several beaver dams and still it rained. The river was lined with aquatic plants so there was nowhere to get out and stretch. It rained all day! When we were in sight of our car the rain finally stopped! She's never gone camping again! LOL! 😂🛶
We had a stream thro the front of tent once in south of france during thunderstorm but dried v.quickly as hot summer