Real Flight Training IS NOT Always Easy (Hagen's 4th Flight)
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2023
- This is a real flight lesson in a Piper Cherokee 140. In this video, we practice power on stalls, power off stalls, emergency descent to landing, and landings in the piper Cherokee! In this video, Hagen is learning some of the private Pilot maneuvers and how to land a Piper Cherokee 140.
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I love how patient the instructor is. I hope I get one like him when I start flying.
Thanks! Take it for what it’s worth, but some of the best instructors I’ve had, were real d-bags. Different students need different teaching styles
@@FreePilotTraining thank you for what you do brother 🙏👍
I had one that ate aluminum frying pans and spit airplane rivets. Yes, I agree and wish you all the best.
@@FreePilotTraining I'd say the patience is good when starting things out, however, d-bag approach is also appropriate to fully grasp the severity of your actions (as a pilot)
However I do really like these videos. I'd love to be a pilot. Lack funds. (Wish with the pilot shortage, there'd be more options to help fix that)
@@eman31683 absolutely
Props to Hagen for being cool with this flight being recorded and put on the internet!! Everyone who's been through flight training can relate to this video; we've all been there!! Pretty soon, he can look back on this video and see how far he has come! Keep up the good work!
Yeah, it’s very cool of him to let me do this. I think it’s very advantageous for him to watch these videos though. It gives him a chance to think through for next time
@@FreePilotTraining Yes very true! And I had no idea you flew C130s as well, that’s badass. I just separated out of the Air Force after 5 years as a KC135/KC46 Crew Chief. Thank you for all you do, your videos have helped me out so much throughout my own training.
@@kpitone thanks man! I love the Herc. She’s an awesome plane. That’s super cool that you were a crew chief. We would never be able to do that without the work you and your fellow crew chiefs have put into our birds. Now it’s your turn to go and do some flying!
In October last year I decided I wanted to go for my private pilot certificate. I found your channel and started really studying through all your videos with King Ground school.
Fast forward to today and I’m set to do my first solo in a of couple weeks, and I am on track for getting my private before Christmas.
Thank you so much for the incredible resource you have provided with this channel. It’s been invaluable.
That’s so awesome! I really appreciate comments like this! Go out and kill it, and report back when you’ve accomplished your goal!
I once asked an airline pilot for tips on mastering VOR flying, and he pointed me to your channel. Though I have been watching your courses for over a year now, I just came across this video. Your attitude and patience despite the student's mistakes is IMMACULATE!!! Keep it up and hopefully other CFIs will learn from you that good teaching requires good patience.
Thanks Paul! That means a lot!
I'm sad cause I'm gung ho about flying vor one day but everyone basically said a lot don't work anymore and everyone said people just use gps now
oh my god, I feel like I'm watching my first 30 flights. Love your style, Josh.
Thanks! That means a lot!
Awesome to see what a real-life instruction looks like. So many instruction videos are so 'cleaned-up'. This was me for sure!
Yeah, I wanted to try something different
Thank you so much for uploading this video. I am a PPL student approaching checkride and it's really comforting to see others in their learning experience. I make mistakes and I tend to beat myself up about them, so it's great to see that I'm not alone. It's wonderful to see other learning processes because of the little things that I can also apply to my own training. I also take things from your approach that I want to asky my own instructor to do. Thank you, keep it up!
You’re welcome! I love comments like this because it really helps me see that these videos are actually very helpful to you guys! Thanks for the comment
You're one patient CFI Josh. My CFI always wanted me to verbalize everything and get used to it so that it will come automatically when check ride comes. Like a muscle memory. Thanks for the video.
Thanks! I like students to be very verbal too. I’m the beginning, I feel the need to explain everything, but hopefully we’ll get where I can start asking questions and be a little more quiet.
@@FreePilotTraining just make me realize how hard it is to be come CFI and that is supposed to be my goal now im having second thoughts 🤔😂.
@@fivie234 you’ll be fine. It just takes a little work
Man, you’re a really good instructor. Thank you so much for all of your videos!
Thank you! That means a lot!
Hi Josh, rocking the 5.11 tee... sweet. It is very interesting following this series documenting Hagen's journey to a PPL. The right hand traffic into North Little Rock brought back memories of my training flying right hand patterns into MDW for 22R on our returns back to base after finishing the lesson. The view from the belly cam shows how forgiving the Cherokee's undercarriage is. Looking forward to the next installment on Hagen's training.
I love 5.11. It’s a great brand! I’m very surprised at how many actual pilots we have following his journey! I’ve got two other lessons filmed, now just trying to find time to do the editing lol
Josh is King, always appreciate the knowledge my friend 👊🏽.
Thanks! That means a lot! 👊🏻
Honestly I was a bit concerned when I saw the intro (I hadn’t read the title yet) but then I read it and I applaud him for the effort, great teaching as well, hope he learned his lesson.
Thanks! You gotta have some rough ones to get to the good ones!
appreciate you uploading this, I took 4 months off from flying and now after a long break im back on it. Keep up with the uploads. you fill in the gaps my CFI misses.
You’re welcome! I appreciate the comment. It’s nice to hear you guys are finding this helpful
Good thing these lessons are still here If interested I just baught A2A Comanche for the flight sim and I have to un learn what I have learned about flight simming cause this model flies soo real it is like flying the real thing. again Thank You for these videos .
You’re welcome! I’d love to fly the Comanche. Looks like a fun plane to fly!
@@FreePilotTraining oh yah
Same here for the A2A. I have now flown 8 lessons in real life in the Ikarus C42CS. It is not the same of course, but the A2A Comanche gives me the feeling of flying a real plane. And the need to use checklists.
Thx a real on hands in the moment flying.
You’re welcome!
Josh you are a solid instructor! Nice work brother.
Thanks man! I learned from a great C-130 instructor 😏
Excellent video Josh. He is coming along nicely for only his third lesson in. Keep up the excellent work my friend. Safe skies 🇺🇸🛩️
Thanks Kevin!
hagen keep flying. you’ll get some butter landings in no time bro 44:38 killed me though lmaoooo
Yeah, i can tell he’s going to get it really soon
In the brown, power down, in the blue, power thru
I like that! Thanks for the comment!
Appreciate the video and then it wasn't super polished. Makes me feel better about my lessons! Thanks for sharing man.
I’m getting a lot of positive feedback from the fact that there are lots of mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes. It’s what you do after the mistake you better
Nice video! Greetings from KSGF!
Thanks! Great field! I’ve been there a few times
I think the instructor remained very calm even though the student deviated from the procedures!
Holy cow that was a hard landing at the start hahah! We all have those. I understand, the cherokees don't like to flare, you can just let it lose speed over the runway. That stabilator has so much authority that the least flare you do before time will make you climb and slam you back down. I learned to fly in a PA28-161 & a 181. Love those birds.
Yeah, it was pretty firm. The Cherokee is so awesome. I think they are easier to land than a Cessna
@@FreePilotTrainingMuch easier in my experience, love that ground effect cushion.
I had the same landing from beginning during my checkride flight 😮
Gliding from pattern- I knew I was too low and I'm saying I'm too low going around , examiner says
--- it's okay
I assume that it's okay means good and I'm just misjudge after 48hours of flying 😂
And buum in old c152 , we jumped back to the air 😂, no going around call needed haha
But overall passed , 1st try .
We're learning whole time 😊
Edit: EASA ppl - differences may occur
Thank you - always helpful stuff.. I wish one youtuber would add a Rudder cam or would that interfere with the aerodynamics?
You’re welcome! I’ll try to think about how I could incorporate that
Hey,I love your videos! I am a student pilot out of Searcy and I was wondering if there was any way I could schedule a lesson with you. I love all for your content and really appreciate your patience and how thought you are so thorough with everything. You definitely fill in some gaps that my instructor doesn’t cover. If you don’t give out your information that is fine. I appreciate you either way!
Thank you! I’d really love to fly with you. Not sure if I’ll have time in the next month. PM me on Facebook and maybe we can work something out in the future. As far as my materials are concerned. I’m currently working on a digital syllabus that I plan on giving out for free and possibly a written version as well. I’ve just been so busy. It’s been tough to get that done
“Go around” best lesson to learn.
100%
Thanks for the awesome videos! They are extremely helpful. I’m 5 lessons into my sport pilot instruction. Coincidentally, I live just south of camp robinson. Pretty cool to recognize the landmarks and airports 😁
You’re welcome! Too cool! I’m amazed at how many people live near that area and watch these videos
@@FreePilotTraining I’m encouraged to see some aviation activity in the area. Especially as a new student. Your videos have been helpful in reinforcing and offering different perspectives on skills that I’m working on. Greatly appreciate them!
You might consider slowing down on the after takeoff check list until you gain some altitude. I especially wouldn't be cutting the fuel pump off that low. What if it's the only thing keeping the engine running? Love your channel BTW. Thank you for sharing all of this.
Not a bad idea. Great feedback
We don’t want to forget flight controls. Remember what happened to Mr. Snodgrass. An old flight instructor told me the proper adjustment for the seat was at a comfortable position to be able to consume donuts and coffee without touching the yoke. Great video!
I know! It happens way more than you think! There was a C-130 crew who crashed because of an NVG case stuck between the yoke and the seat. Thanks for the comment!
Hey josh , Going to do my first solo X country very soon ! Kind of nervous and scared to go that far out by myself . You got any confidence booster tips ? Would appreciate it
I’d say that you’re more ready than you know. You’re instructor wouldn’t send you if he didn’t think you were ready. It’s not uncommon to get that feeling. I had it too. Just remember, you can always ask ATC for help
Howdy! I am just checking in to see how your new and improved landing techniques are going?
An old man needs to know.
Ps: Have you tried it with the C-130? I should imagine that it would work very well irrespective of aircraft weight.
Best wishes! 😀
It’s a great tool. I haven’t tried it in the C-130. I’d like to try it in the simulator at some point. It might be a while before I try it in the aircraft lol. They may not like that. But I made this video not too long ago ruclips.net/video/tKNlFJ89wvA/видео.html
Another great video, I still verbalize everything even when I'm solo....The POH in my 1966 Cherokee states that airspeed on final airspeed should be trimmed for 85 mph with no flaps and reduced by 3 mph for each notch of flaps. So according to this with full flaps you could approach at 76mph depending on weight and conditions. Thoughts on anything different? Thanks
Thanks! I’ll have to take a closer look at the POH. I don’t remember it saying that
Welcome. The one I have was issued in 1964 and revised in 1965.
Ouch! He may have got a little confused hearing “pull back on power,” then “pull back” and “pull back,” not realizing you meant pull back on the yoke for pitch and flare? Could be how he got to idle early. He didn’t mention it during the debrief though. The second time you mentioned nose up.
Good point. I usually try to use the same words when I instruct so there’s no confusion, but it still happens sometimes
Are you located in/near Little Rock? Sure seems like it. That's where I live and want to take lessons.
I occasionally work out of there and I’ve been helping Hagen out when I am. I’m not currently taking any new students, but I hope to change that in a few months
Trainers are so forgiving. That hard landing was a bumper... I remember when I went through that part of training. Landing is sure tough to get at the beginning.
Yes. They definitely are. He’ll get it. I think allowing him to have a firm touchdown helped him see how much he needs to pull back.
You said you moved to Alaska? Dang i live in the little rock area would have been nice to talked to you about starting training. Was you independent or were you instructing through a school? If so you have any recommendations on school/instructor?
Yes, I did. I wish I could’ve stayed around there. I needed to move for my family. I really like the guys over at North Little Rock Air. Great company there
@@FreePilotTraining That's funny, I contacted them the other day in my researching schools. I have a discovery flight scheduled for tuesday there. I do have one more question if you don't mind. I am a bigger guy that has lost about 40 pounds so far but am still over 300. I honestly just thought about this recently, but would i be able to even fly any of their planes? They have 3 pipers. 2 140's and an arrow 200r
What are the safety glasses for?
They are fogged out up top so you can’t see outside
As a commercial student, my DPE's always want to see you pull the checklist out. Even if its just two items. For a bit I did get into the habit of just ignoring and going by memory. Now, I always no matter what, pull the checklist out and just verify. Just my two cents.
I appreciate the feedback. I typically use the physical checklist for everything but the “before landing” checklist. I personally don’t want to fiddle with a checklist when I’m that close to the ground, but I do agree, they should always be used
do you offer a way to get an exam endorsement for PPL written test
I don’t yet. I’m sorry
Outch. We all remember those events… Honestly, since my first lessons I do not like low wing air planes ;). I like my C 182 which I can easily land by 20 knots cross wind.😊 Too flat incoming and his grip for the yoke is too tightened! Easy buddy!
Yeah, they’re a little different than a high wing, but I love them. Thanks for the comment!
GOT DAMN that plane can take a beating..
Lol, yes it can
Teach in Owasso?!
I was in Claremore. I live in Alaska now
Hagen kinda reminds me of a bull in a china shop. Big, confident and a bit on the clumsy side. But with a little practice and good instruction I'm sure he'll develop into a fine pilot. 😁
Lol, yeah. I’ve noticed that you typically have two types of students. Ones that are scared of everything and ones that aren’t scared. He’s the latter.
have you ever worked at the airlines?
Nope. I fly C-130s for the AF reserves though
Lesson 4 under the hood? I saw a lot of distraction’s on take off, get some altitude before that after takeoff checklist. Get slow your dead, I have been really close to that. So busy coming back to Little Rock that was great.
Yeah, I think getting under the hood early helps students start incorporating those scans early on. Thanks for the comment!
Glad someone else thinks too....get him the basics this early on. And 500 ft before the after take off checklist.
Where is this place located|?
Central Arkansas
The first 30 hours of my flying out of 75 were the most difficult things ive done in my life.
It’s crazy how that works. It seems like there’s just a point during training where it just clicks
Everybody's video shows the gear touching down. I want to see what the pilot sees while landing.
I really appreciate that feedback. I do my best to include both. I will start including more from the cockpit
I landed a 152 so hard once the gear was next to the struts. We all do it….
Yes we do!
Didn’t see a use of a knee board to write down instructions from ‘ATC’, rather than relaying on memory and not have the ability to recheck instructions
Yeah, there’s a notepad function in Foreflight that I like to use. I’ve recommended the knee board for him, but he hasn’t got one yet. I’ve used one for years, but I really don’t use one in small trainers too much any more. Still use em in the C-130 though. Too much stuff to remember lol
lol are you taking any more students?? Ill come to you!
Lol, I’m not at the moment. Hopefully soon
@@FreePilotTraining 🥲 for future… are you based in fl?
I start in april ( part 61 ) looged my first page on the logbook, my worst time was the checklist ( and expensive as the first 6 flight lessons was scheduled for 2 and 3 hours, but flew just 30 minutes as most time was on ground instruction following the checklist ) i download a flight sim to visualize each steep, and to understand why and when, i now can perform the checklist in max 10 minutes with out rush any steep, i use the sim to practice landings as it feel not exactly as areal but speed,attitude and engine controls give a reference ( ruclips.net/video/BbPF_T0sMBs/видео.html ) hope this help to other students, we need know what will perform on each class, to read and practice or look for videos about the maneuvers, is just my experience ( for my first 10 hours of flight time ) hope help some one in search for training
You’ll get it! Thanks for the comment
I love your lessons and this might be an unpopular opinion but I think you're stacking WAY too much on him this early on. I know you said you're intentionally overloading him, but I think some things have to be trained in and committed to memory before building up that task saturation. In this circumstance he has no idea what to prioritize and therefore can't get any valuable repetitions on any one thing in order to get it ingrained. As an example, my CFI didn't have me making any radio calls until probably our 7th or 8th lesson, and even then it was very limited. But in that time, I had heard so many calls, I started to recognize patterns and I was learning without realizing it. By the time we added in more calls, I was able to anticipate the situation and even though my calls weren't perfect, I could receive and transmit the information required. Just my two cents.
Hey, I actually appreciate comments like this. I agree that I do pile on the work at the beginning, but if it’s obvious that the student is struggling too much, I will back off. One of the most important skills for pilots to develop is their task management skills. In an emergency or in a really bad weather scenario, it’s going to be that way, and you need to be able to stay calm
Perfectly good observation.
My guess is he's over thinking and perhaps didn't look at poh prior to his lesson and therefore not confident with the airplane
Not necessarily. It’s very common to have landings like this at this stage in training
@FreePilotTraining I remember my 1st time cross wind it can be challenging especially from the six...I like how you do real world scenarios with your students....things books don't teach
Monsieur ze instructor talks too much. He is riding ze student. zis is a result of insufficient preflight discussion and planning.
Every maneuver is presented and discussed, in terms of common errors and simulated control manipulations.
Then in flight the maneuver is first demonstrated and then executed with the errors pointed out.
The normal time spent in preparation and flight debriefing is longer than the flight itself. This is necessary to minimize the cost to the student, as required by the FAR's
Long time CFII since 1976, starting as a glider instructor, where the flight time is much shorter, the tows are expensive .
It is recommended that much more use of flight simulators is provided.
The cost to the student can be significantly reduced .
I don't like what I see here .
You are entitled to your opinion, but he’s still new, I’ve flown with probably over 100 instructors, and I’m using the methods I’ve found most valuable. I’ve never believed in playing “stump the dummy” until way further along than in the training. Also, keep in mind, this video has been compressed a little. I’ve edited all the space out between talking. Otherwise it would get too boring.