LEARNING TO FLY in a Piper Cherokee (Hagen's 3rd Lesson)
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2023
- This is a real flight lesson in a Piper Cherokee 140. In this video, we practice power on stalls, power off stalls, emergency descent to landing, and landings in the piper Cherokee! In this video, Hagen is learning some of the private Pilot maneuvers and how to land a Piper Cherokee 140.
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This is a more comprehensive lesson than I ever expected even though it was only virtual. Lots of skills and concepts were covered. Thank you for the great lesson.
Thanks! I hope to start making more of these eventually
I am LOVING these live lesson videos! I plan to start pursuing my PPL within the next few months, and these videos have been awesome to get a feel for how the lessons will go. I only hope my instructor is as calm and patient as you are!
Thanks! I’d like to make more when I get the time!
These live lesson videos are amazing. I am going to my 3rd lesson this weekend and using these to prepare for my own flight. Thank you so much!
I appreciate this feedback. I’d like to make more of these, I’ve just been super busy lately
this is extremely useful for people who.dont have flight school in their home country to revise for coming flight lessons
You’re welcome! I appreciate the feedback!
The end of the runway on your T/O came quick! I Had a cherokee 180 that was climbing poorly one time. Density altitude was high, but something just felt off. Double checked my mags… the climbing improved shortly after 😅. Never again!
Yes, it did. That’s a great point. Probably should have double checked those as well
Love the video, thanks! Brings back great memories.
Thank you!
The day after I solo’d my flight school found leaky fuel tanks in their 172’s, so after a month of not flying I swapped to my brothers Cherokee 140 (with the 160hp engine), man what a difference, lol.
160 hp makes all the difference in the world
Remarkably helpful! Looking forward to watching you train this guy all the way up (if that's your intent) and learning with him. Thank you so much for putting these videos out there!
Thanks Bill! It’s great to get these comments to know that people want to keep watching the progress!
I really enjoyed watching you training your Student learning to Fly. Good Job keep it up
God bless you
Thanks!
I own a 68 Cherokee 140 with 160 HP upgrade. I almost always use 25 degrees of flaps per POH, especially for Vx on short field for takeoffs. Great video, so much fun to see a new excited aviator taking the skies!
Yeah, we didn’t do a short field takeoff because I wasn’t expecting the performance to be quite this bad, but we will next time
Excellent video Josh. Welcome to Conway, where we practice crosswinds on a daily basis. 😂 It is a great airport, and I'm glad to be training out of there. He is coming along well. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies my friend 🇺🇸🛩️
Thanks Kevin! I appreciate that! Hope your training is going well!
@@FreePilotTraining it has been going fairly well. I am about to start on my XC portion, I have a little more studying to do before start it. I also need to knock out some more solo time.
i have been flying a cesna 172, will be flying PA28 next month, good stuff
You’ll like the PA-28. They are fun to fly
Nice instruction coordination with Hagen. Interesting syllabus.
Thanks! It’s a new syllabus I’m creating. As I mentioned, the second lesson isn’t supposed to be patterns, but the weather messed things up
@@FreePilotTraining The training syllabus got my attention as I saw training factors that accelerate skill sets in coms and instruments by the use of foggles on the initial departure climb using the artificial horizon as a primary attitude and bank reference instrument combining a scan of the 6 - pack. I remember being given the foggles for my training at a later stage. I am finding following your training with Hagen very interesting.
@@jcmcclain57 Awesome. Thanks for letting me know some specific things you are enjoying, if you can think of other things I should add, I’d love to hear them
@@FreePilotTraining thank you Josh for the interest in my thoughts. Given that I have not flown an airplane in a long time and I am only a PPL ASEL, I think I should be more reserved in sharing my observations, opinions, and thoughts. It is easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, I don’t want to become one without having paid the dues. What I can do is contrast my training experiences with what I see you doing with Hagen. With that said…
Hagen’s level of being prepared for the sortie has increased on each sortie you have posted. He appears to not be as surprised by what is being presented in the airplane as he was in the first two sorties.
There are two things happening on the sorties that should be independent, in my opinion, overall flight training and video production technical difficulties. Making them independent is a challenge because they are both happening simultaneously and real time. Hagen’s goal is learning airmanship and it is a singular goal. Conversely, you have multiple goals primary being safety and teaching; secondary being creating inclusive of documentary and video production of both Hagen’s and your experiences contributing to the mission of your channel.
Syllabus… it should build on foundational knowledge and understanding. In the training environment things are very fluid and sometimes training opportunities present themselves that were not planned but are teachable moments. In general the training syllabus, in my opinion, should prepare Hagen or the student in general for the sortie mission. The syllabus should be such that nothing briefed or executed on the sortie is a surprise.
Looking forward to sortie number four.
Josh, do you have any videos on emergency procedures? If not, can you make one at your convenience? Thanks. Great material you put out. Thanks to you, i passed my written today.
Congrats! Thank you! I don’t have any yet. I need to work on those.
Really cool …..
Thanks!
I've learned more watching these "lesson" videos than I did on my first two so-called lessons with the CFI that I just stopped working with. I wish you were closer; I'd ask if you had time for another student. I'm out west.
I appreciate that. It means a lot because, as you can see, I make lots of mistakes, but I think it’s important to point out that everyone does. Moving forward is key to learning for everyone
Im a student pilot out of KORK idk if your a CFI there specifically but I am flying tomorrow in their new plane, 79N! But I mostly use 123JC, Would be sick to fly with you sometime!
That’s awesome that their new plane is finally up and running! I wish I could fly with you. I’m actually up in Alaska now
Please upload more flight training videos more often please
Thanks for your comment! I’ll do my best!
Hey, I’m a student pilot and I was wondering about how the weight of the airplane affects the best glide speed and if there is some sort of formula to calculate it
I’m not sure if there’s a formula, but the POH typically specifies a specific glide speed for a couple different weights. This Cherokee recommends 60 knots at 1,650 pounds or 69 knots at full gross, so as you can see, heavier weights, you typically need faster airspeeds, and if you’re halfway between these weights, I’d target 65 knots
Does Hagen have any prior flying experience?
I am blown away by the speed at which he’s progressing.
He does not. He told me that he’s been up with a friend in his plane, and handles the controls a bit, but that is it!
Yeah, it makes me want to cry. I have progressed SO much more slowly.
@@misfittoytower he still has quite a bit of work before he’s ready to solo, so don’t beat yourself up
Hey Josh. Off topic here. Look at the RNAV36 at KLBO. In know it’s not authorized but what is a GLS PA DA? Something with a decision altitude? Never heard of it.
So, it appears to be something that might eventually replace the ILS. I believe it woks very similar to an LPV approach, but they are designing it to be a true precision approach as an LPV is still technically not a precision approach even though it has a DA
@@FreePilotTraining I guess it does sound like GPS landing system, precision approach. That makes a lot of sense of the acronym. Leave it up to the government in total secrecy, not to talk about this until it is fully functional.
@@aviatortrucker6285 lol, yeah, I could see them keeping something like that a secret. Some dingleberry would try to use it and crash into the ground
i wouldn't put carb heat in a cherokee on approach or landing , poh states only as needed. correct me if i ' m wrong
Great point. The POH does say that. I’ve done extensive research and talked to many A&Ps. The consensus is that carb heat should not be used for an extended period of time at full power. It’s totally fine to operate it at idle during an approach
What device do you reccomend for fire flight for a new student pilot, I’m thinking of buying one to write down taxi info etc
iPad mini. Get the mini! I know it costs a little more, but it fits in the small cockpit better
47:55 What did he do? Why the plane is so unstable during the landing?
He’s mainly just over controlling the plane. He also didn’t flare quite enough. I had to help him out a little bit on that
Another question -- I asked before but forgot what you said; you're calling the Cherokee a pig. The one I'm working on buying is the 150 hp model. Last I checked, a 172 is 100 hp heavier with 5 less hp. Would a prop upgrade or a STOL kit (if I could find one) fix the "pig" issues, short of the 160 hp or ($$$) the 180 hp/O-360 upgrade?
So, apparently, a prop shop can change the twist on some props to turn it into a climb prop. That’s what they did on the other plane at this company. It makes all the difference in the world. I like that plane way better because of that
@@FreePilotTrainingagreed, the climb prop on 123JC makes all the difference!
@@shockerthreeone it really does!
What year /model is your Cherokee? I own a 1970 Cherokee 140. I’ve never seen a Cherokee that you had to use Carb Heat in the traffic pattern like a 172. My POH specifies No Carb Heat unless needed. And I’ve never seen a Cherokee that as per the POH , you had to retract first notch “Immediately “ after a stall. Looks like the airplane dropped when you did that. Just curious.
I believe it’s a 68. My POH says the same thing. I’ve talked to many mechanics about this and believe that carb heat is needed at low power settings and high humidity with temps between 40-70 degrees. Using it regularly isn’t going to hurt anything. You just want to avoid use at full power
@@FreePilotTraining Yeah, the pa28 carb is actually mounted in an area where it’s heated by the engine. In the 14 years that I’ve owned the airplane , I’ve never had Carb ice and I fly a lot in summertime inHigh Humidity areas. Problem I have with it is that you’re pulling in unfiltered outside air into the carb I obviously check it in Runup , but that’s it.
What’s up with the two hand on the yoke. One should be on the throttle.
Yep, I don’t always see that when I’m teaching
hagen is doing great, and I like your teaching style. how hot of a day was it?
Thank you! It was hot. Probably in the 90s
@@FreePilotTraining absolutely love when you and Seth post vids. thanks!
@@flysport_tedder thank you so much! That means a lot!
luv sitting in the back for lessons if this Cherokee has seats in the back and please no stalls they feel weird from the back and I think no stalls allowed if passenger in the back when with a student I beleive.
I’ve done stalls with passengers in the back. It’s allowed, BUT it’s not always smart if they get sick easily 😆
@@FreePilotTraining never got sick just felt weird I like sitting in the right seat where I know what's going on. Never liked in the back. Cause I understand what's goin on so there lol
I'm in central Arkansas and I'm looking into learning to fly. How can i get in contact with you Josh?
I’m not taking any new students at the moment. I’m not for sure that I’m going to be able to finish out Hagen’s training. I’m currently trying to move my family to a new home and I’m not sure where we’re going yet
No prob... it would be October/November before I can get started.
What airport is this ?
Initial takeoff and final landing was at KORK (North Little Rock) and we did some pattern work over at KCXW (Conway)
Thats an unfair comparison. You should have compared a Warrior to the Skyhawk. The 140 would be more comparable to a 150. One great feature of the 172 is it is rated for spins. The Warrior Gross’s out at 2325 and has a faster cruise than the 172. Apples to Apples, Oranges to Oranges please.
This is a good point, but if you think about it. This video speaks volumes about the quality of aircraft that Piper produces. They built this aircraft to compete with the 150, it blows that airplane out of the water and is nearly as good of not better than the 172. Maybe I could compare the warrior in a future video. That would be fun
Why is the door open? Where's the safety talk?
Unfortunately, you guys miss a lot of conversations from the debrief.
Where are you
Palmer Alaska now. Lol. I moved up a couple months ago
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I must apologize for a comment that was accidentally posted to this video that I have since deleted. I am subscribed to this channel as I am a student pilot in training. My instructor has me watching all of your videos because he says it’s the most comprehensive series available. But, as I was catching up on some political news, RUclips had this video in my queue since I am subscribed and had apparently changed over to this video while I was commenting on how awful AOC was in her completely illogical arguments regarding the Biden impeachment inquiry. So I inadvertently commented “She’s just awful” to this video somehow. But, I really enjoy your videos… and AOC is still just awful.
No problem. I didn’t think anything of it. Thanks for the comment
What's the deal with you all climbing so poorly? I know its very condition dependent but all of my time in 140's, they climb like a rocket. especially with the wheel skirts on. It seems every time I see one of these videos with you flying the 140 its climbing dangerously slow.
Your aircraft likely has a climb prop. This one does not