Fun note on the Shaheen Holloway clip vs Oregon (NCAA Tournament game), there is are a couple of shots with a UO big, bald guy with a goatee (gohti?) … that is “Big Flo” Florian Hartenstein, father of Isaiah Hartenstein.
Michael Jordan was the first player to score 30 pts in a McDonald's game. A record that stood for about 19 years ( broken by Johnathan Bender). Not only did he score 30 pts but he also hit the game winning free throws. Straight up politics denied him the MVP ( which i feel they should honor him with). Because the game was played in Wichita, Kansas and hometown favorite Aubrey Sherrod was a pre season 1st or 2nd team all american and Adrian Branch played at DeMatha for coach Morgan Wooten who was also on the committee to select the players for the McDonald's game, both those guys were selected as CO-MVPs. The biggest MVP robbery at any level of basketball.
It's fun hearing some shadows from the past that were once thought of as great young players, but then disappeared. The kind of guys who made the Top 10 in mock drafts a long time ago, but then never lived up to the hype.
Shaq won the McDonalds All-American Game MVP over Kenny Anderson, and I remember Brent Musberger calling that game and repeatedly saying he was perplexed as to how Shaq wasn’t considered the best player in that class - all due respect to Kenny Anderson. And he was right!
Not understanding how Kevin Garnett can go ahead of Kevin Durant. Almost every measurable and accolades go to Durant. And as Pros people can talk about KD joining the Warriors, but Garnett wasn't even getting out of the First Round in his Prime in Minnesota. Durant already made a NBA Finals by year 5 in OKC.
I mean, I did say it's close for me (and Durant may overtake him when he retires), but I value KG's defense and rebounding more than Durant scoring more. KG is the #2 PF in my book behind Duncan. Even throwing out the Warriors stuff, that OKC team was leagues better than any TWolves team Garnett ever played on haha. But yeah, it's close. I'm just a defense-first person, so I have KG slightly over KD and reserve the right to switch it when Durant hangs them up in a few years. It's a living list in that way
@@RickyFrech404 Completely respect your opinion, but to me KG is vastly overrated my friend. I know him joining the Celtics late and getting that Championship helps him, but to prove my point he didn't even lead that team as Paul Pierce was their go to guy, and him and Ray Allen took all the important shots. KG was a Great Player but his passion and energy overshadowed he wasn't a Great Offensive Player who you could continually go to in tough moments. I think the Gap is Greater between KD and KG Offensively (Edge obviously to Durant) then the gap,is between them Defensively (Slight Edge to KG). And there's no comparison to them as Clutch Players and who's hit more Clutch Shots in Playoff Games. I think Giannis, Dirk Nowitski, Karl Malone & Charles Barkley is still light years ahead of KG as far as impact on teams that they led versus teams KG was the Go to Guy. KG could never be put ahead of Giannis or Dirk as both guys led their teams (Meaning they were unquestionable the best player) to NBA Championships. And Malone & Barkley, both of those guys would have Championships most likely if it wasn't for someone named Jordan, and losing to him in the Finals. Giannis, Dirk, Mailman, and Sir Charles all have MVP'S like KG, but all four led teams to Finals and all averaged over 25ppg multiple times, something KG could never do, and each one of them was his equal as a rebounder with the exception of Dirk, who absolutely brutalized KG in the 2002 First Round averaging 33 to KG's 18, and sweeping him. There's too many examples of KG coming up short like this. Even if you say his team wasn't that good, him getting dominated by another superstar in his Prime like this, should never happen. As a go to guy I would put more value on those guys leading teams to the finals and losing, then moving KG ahead of them, as the non go to guy. And KG was not only not getting out of the First Round, his last three years in Minnesota he didn't even make the playoffs. I think he should be #4 on this list with hard consideration for C.Webb to be ahead of him, but I think there's a Gap between the top 3 (LBJ, Shaq, KD) and the rest. KD in three Finals against LeBron both with OKC and the Warriors averaged over 32ppg against LeBron. And in 2017 averaged 35.4 which is historic numbers. And difference with KD and KG, he joined the Warriors and became their best player, KG did not, as Paul Pierce was always the one they turned to in big moments. Just like Game 7 in the 2008 Playoffs in the second round when he had to get 41 points to hold off LeBron. Side note Jordan should've been MVP in the 1981 Game as he had 30 points and the game winning free throws in that game, and was snubbed for Adrian Branch who's coach Morgan Wooten was the chairperson of the McDonald's Game at that time. Still despite my disagreement with KD and KG, I respect you taking the time to put this video together and it was a Great List regardless. Just friendly banter about Basketball.
@@rayglenn Yeah, hopefully, I didn't come off as upset in my response haha! I can definitely see the case for KD, I just prefer defensive players and have KG as one of the best to ever do it on that side of the ball (though you could say the same about Durant on the other side!) I haven't done my personal Top 50 players in a long time, but they're both probably in the top 15 for me fwiw! Also, totally agree about the MJ snub lol
@@RickyFrech404 And I hope I wasn't coming off snarky. I was just having basketball banter, I don't want to seem as I'm singling you out or picking on you. As far as All Time Ranks, a friend asked me to do mine when the Top 75 was announced in 2022, I think I had KG #28, and I had Barkley #25, Dirk #23, Mailman #22, Giannis #20, and KD #14. But that was before the conclusion of the 2022 Season. I agree KG is one of the top defensive players of all time, but I think Durant is easily one of the Top 5 Offensive Players of All Time with Mike, Kobe, Wilt, etc. Also I know Jokic would be ranked Higher as at the time I had him #33. He's most likely Top 20 right now and about to be Top 15. P.S. I use to write for a recruiting website as a side hustle.
That's something I've been looking at for future videos, but I don't think they select an MVP unless I just can't find it (which is definitely possible lol)
Hopefully the players highlighted had a backup plan if/when their NBA dreams went up in smoke. Injuries, off the field issues and having to compete against another level of talent are big hurdles to success. To the few who made it, congrats!
Great work here, but how hard is this to do, really?! It's just ranking MVPs, so the sample size is small -- choosing Top 50 McDonald's would be a challenge, for more complex reasons....
Haha, I think the top of the list is pretty easy, but when you get to around 20 and beyond, it becomes tough to separate them. I get what you're saying though lol
lol, I have him #2 all-time and Shaq isn't in my top 5, so it's pretty easy for me, but I know he has a lot of haters, so I get the sentiment, I just don't agree with it.
lol 1) I don't remember what I said, so I'm probably wrong. 2) it does depend on what site you're using. For example, I just checked 247sports for that year and they go: RJ Barrett, Cam Reddish, Nassir Little, Bol Bol, and then Zion at 5 haha
Fun note on the Shaheen Holloway clip vs Oregon (NCAA Tournament game), there is are a couple of shots with a UO big, bald guy with a goatee (gohti?) … that is “Big Flo” Florian Hartenstein, father of Isaiah Hartenstein.
Michael Jordan was the first player to score 30 pts in a McDonald's game. A record that stood for about 19 years ( broken by Johnathan Bender). Not only did he score 30 pts but he also hit the game winning free throws. Straight up politics denied him the MVP ( which i feel they should honor him with). Because the game was played in Wichita, Kansas and hometown favorite Aubrey Sherrod was a pre season 1st or 2nd team all american and Adrian Branch played at DeMatha for coach Morgan Wooten who was also on the committee to select the players for the McDonald's game, both those guys were selected as CO-MVPs. The biggest MVP robbery at any level of basketball.
My head canon is having that happen to Jordan is what turned him into the GOAT. The first time he 'took it personal" haha
Guess MJ got the last laugh watching Sherrod get cut by the Bulls after drafting him.
I forgot about Dematha and Wooten RIP
He took it out on Adrian Brantley every time UNC played Maryland.
or he just didn't deserve it
It's fun hearing some shadows from the past that were once thought of as great young players, but then disappeared. The kind of guys who made the Top 10 in mock drafts a long time ago, but then never lived up to the hype.
Shaq won the McDonalds All-American Game MVP over Kenny Anderson, and I remember Brent Musberger calling that game and repeatedly saying he was perplexed as to how Shaq wasn’t considered the best player in that class - all due respect to Kenny Anderson. And he was right!
I thought kenny was injured for that `89 game?
Kenny didn't play in that Game, also Brent Musberger didn't call that game as he was still with CBS and that game was on ABC.
😂😂😂
I am sorry, at that stage, Kenny was still the man over Shaq. He deserved the #1 spot.
LeBron has absolutely NO claim as GOAT.
I mean I have Jordan over him, but I think there's a conversation lol
He is in the conversation MJ is my goat then there is Kareem and Kobe has a say , Wilt has a voice they all were fantastic
@@Thomas-lc3hiWilt tore up those plumbers and firemen.
tell us that you don't know anything about basketball without saying you don't know anything about basketball
Not understanding how Kevin Garnett can go ahead of Kevin Durant. Almost every measurable and accolades go to Durant. And as Pros people can talk about KD joining the Warriors, but Garnett wasn't even getting out of the First Round in his Prime in Minnesota. Durant already made a NBA Finals by year 5 in OKC.
I mean, I did say it's close for me (and Durant may overtake him when he retires), but I value KG's defense and rebounding more than Durant scoring more. KG is the #2 PF in my book behind Duncan. Even throwing out the Warriors stuff, that OKC team was leagues better than any TWolves team Garnett ever played on haha. But yeah, it's close. I'm just a defense-first person, so I have KG slightly over KD and reserve the right to switch it when Durant hangs them up in a few years. It's a living list in that way
@@RickyFrech404 Completely respect your opinion, but to me KG is vastly overrated my friend. I know him joining the Celtics late and getting that Championship helps him, but to prove my point he didn't even lead that team as Paul Pierce was their go to guy, and him and Ray Allen took all the important shots. KG was a Great Player but his passion and energy overshadowed he wasn't a Great Offensive Player who you could continually go to in tough moments. I think the Gap is Greater between KD and KG Offensively (Edge obviously to Durant) then the gap,is between them Defensively (Slight Edge to KG). And there's no comparison to them as Clutch Players and who's hit more Clutch Shots in Playoff Games. I think Giannis, Dirk Nowitski, Karl Malone & Charles Barkley is still light years ahead of KG as far as impact on teams that they led versus teams KG was the Go to Guy. KG could never be put ahead of Giannis or Dirk as both guys led their teams (Meaning they were unquestionable the best player) to NBA Championships. And Malone & Barkley, both of those guys would have Championships most likely if it wasn't for someone named Jordan, and losing to him in the Finals. Giannis, Dirk, Mailman, and Sir Charles all have MVP'S like KG, but all four led teams to Finals and all averaged over 25ppg multiple times, something KG could never do, and each one of them was his equal as a rebounder with the exception of Dirk, who absolutely brutalized KG in the 2002 First Round averaging 33 to KG's 18, and sweeping him. There's too many examples of KG coming up short like this. Even if you say his team wasn't that good, him getting dominated by another superstar in his Prime like this, should never happen. As a go to guy I would put more value on those guys leading teams to the finals and losing, then moving KG ahead of them, as the non go to guy. And KG was not only not getting out of the First Round, his last three years in Minnesota he didn't even make the playoffs. I think he should be #4 on this list with hard consideration for C.Webb to be ahead of him, but I think there's a Gap between the top 3 (LBJ, Shaq, KD) and the rest. KD in three Finals against LeBron both with OKC and the Warriors averaged over 32ppg against LeBron. And in 2017 averaged 35.4 which is historic numbers. And difference with KD and KG, he joined the Warriors and became their best player, KG did not, as Paul Pierce was always the one they turned to in big moments. Just like Game 7 in the 2008 Playoffs in the second round when he had to get 41 points to hold off LeBron. Side note Jordan should've been MVP in the 1981 Game as he had 30 points and the game winning free throws in that game, and was snubbed for Adrian Branch who's coach Morgan Wooten was the chairperson of the McDonald's Game at that time. Still despite my disagreement with KD and KG, I respect you taking the time to put this video together and it was a Great List regardless. Just friendly banter about Basketball.
@@rayglenn Yeah, hopefully, I didn't come off as upset in my response haha! I can definitely see the case for KD, I just prefer defensive players and have KG as one of the best to ever do it on that side of the ball (though you could say the same about Durant on the other side!) I haven't done my personal Top 50 players in a long time, but they're both probably in the top 15 for me fwiw! Also, totally agree about the MJ snub lol
@@RickyFrech404 And I hope I wasn't coming off snarky. I was just having basketball banter, I don't want to seem as I'm singling you out or picking on you. As far as All Time Ranks, a friend asked me to do mine when the Top 75 was announced in 2022, I think I had KG #28, and I had Barkley #25, Dirk #23, Mailman #22, Giannis #20, and KD #14. But that was before the conclusion of the 2022 Season. I agree KG is one of the top defensive players of all time, but I think Durant is easily one of the Top 5 Offensive Players of All Time with Mike, Kobe, Wilt, etc. Also I know Jokic would be ranked Higher as at the time I had him #33. He's most likely Top 20 right now and about to be Top 15. P.S. I use to write for a recruiting website as a side hustle.
@@rayglenn All good! And yes, Joker is for sure climbing fast!
I remember Dickie V losing his ever loving mind when Shaq took it coast to coast.
I love dickie V! Always have and I’m only 35 but I heard and watched enough of him for a long time! Gonna be sad when my boy leaves us
C Webb was that nuggah bruh.... mini shaq with handles and pass game in his prime. .
You know after watching this video you realize high school stats don’t measure a players heart, head, or potential.
Really?? You just figured that out?? Lmao your a joke
@churlish7851 *You're
@@churlish7851C'mon, you didn't have to insult the guy. It ain't like he took shots at people. The Internet...
Yes it's strictly measuring the physical skills of a player.
@churlish7851 did your mom take away your Xbox, is that why you're trying to make other people feel bad. It's ok you're loved and cared about.
John Williams injuries are what lead to the weight.
Walker Lambiotte did not struggle with ACC competition. NC State was just very thick at his position.
The 1979 class was the best class period. Look it up
I made a whole video about it haha
Fact!!!
True
Cool!
You should do the Nike Hoop Summit
That's something I've been looking at for future videos, but I don't think they select an MVP unless I just can't find it (which is definitely possible lol)
Hopefully the players highlighted had a backup plan if/when their NBA dreams went up in smoke. Injuries, off the field issues and having to compete against another level of talent are big hurdles to success. To the few who made it, congrats!
I’m probably switching KG and KD around at 3 & 4. But it’s a close call.
Yeah, I would have them so close you could basically consider them interchangeable. I just prefer defense
Great work here, but how hard is this to do, really?! It's just ranking MVPs, so the sample size is small -- choosing Top 50 McDonald's would be a challenge, for more complex reasons....
Haha, I think the top of the list is pretty easy, but when you get to around 20 and beyond, it becomes tough to separate them. I get what you're saying though lol
Keep saying Mark Macon played with Eddie jones and Aaron mckie at temple when he didn’t 🤦🏽♂️
it was two john Williams in the nba hot rod and hot plate😂
LeBron is not even the best player on this list....easily my ass
1978-2019 is 41 years. How do you have 55 players ranked?
It's piss
Very late to this, but somehow missed it. Several years have co-MVPs
I thought shabazz was like 2-3 years older
Saying lebron is easily the best player on this list only diminishes the video. Unnecessary. I highly doubt you truly Believe that..
lol, I have him #2 all-time and Shaq isn't in my top 5, so it's pretty easy for me, but I know he has a lot of haters, so I get the sentiment, I just don't agree with it.
Jordan only player to have his high school all American number retired
You had frank jackson and Josh Jackson for 2016
Yeah, they had co-MVPs in 2016
Aaron Gordon should be ranked higher.
From like 8-14, it's kind of a logjam for me, but I think Gordon will get higher the more he plays.
No michwel Jordan? The hate is real!
Haha, he did get snubbed imo!
Nassir Little wasn't the 2nd best player in his class...Zion Williamson was!!
lol 1) I don't remember what I said, so I'm probably wrong. 2) it does depend on what site you're using. For example, I just checked 247sports for that year and they go: RJ Barrett, Cam Reddish, Nassir Little, Bol Bol, and then Zion at 5 haha
@@RickyFrech404 All I know is Duke had the top 3 recruits that year in Barrett, Williamson and Reddish
@@PrevinEllis For sure. Also probably fair to say Zion turned out much better haha
@@RickyFrech404 I agree
Blazers have a way with drafting poor talent
KD and LeBron not even top 10 players
Goddamn UNC dominates once again. Eight guys on that list.
So many north Carolina busts which makes me happy 😁
@@PrevinEllis oh yeah? Who’s your team and let’s compare