@@Starchyyyy Seems reasonable to think that specs not mentioned in the video weren't considered fun by the reviewer, but not so terrible as to be on the "losers" list.
You guys seem not to get the point of the video. It highlights the best and worst only. Everything not listed here the creator considers not one of those two.
Make BM hunters summon Epicus Maximus, the shark with a lazer and 2 rockets that has a dinosaur on top that carries an undead. An actual real NPC by the way, not making it up.
Great video as always! I had a feeling that we'd see mage in the video but good lord Diabolist demo lock has probably some of the sickest visuals in the game as it stands right now! Imagine if we see the same pet treatment for a spec like BM hunter, like being able to summon animals of different sorts like a zoo keeper kind of style and not only from our stables, see that could be amazing!
Agreed about balance druid changes. They always do our stuff too early every expansion (often as a display at blizzcon and such), do it wrong, then forget us, leaving us cobbled together with wonky gameplay. We keep playing bc we love the fantasy of it all but... sigh.
Always play what you love. If your not enjoying it anymore a break is ok. Classes come and go in their time in the light, but stay true to what you love
Blizz can make bm hunters a ‘vehicle’ test subject: abilities/cooldowns to build charges to spend on a ‘legendary’ pet summon, a vehicle mechanic where the hunter mount a pet vehicle that does special attacks.
I've been maining Druid for DF and i'm super depressed with the lack of changes for guardian and balance, man it feels bad. Guardian tree hasn't been touched as far as i'm aware, and the alune hero talents don't even add any new animations with like the arcane thrash. and balance is you know... in the dirt.
@@VesperalTV yeah i agree, but that talent tree needs to be reworked at the very least give us more points to play with like they've done to most other classes, and add the damn arcane animation for thrash at the very least, as far as boomy? it just need completely reworked imo
Having mained holy priest forever & never played boomkin I quite like it, I’ve decided to main Druid for TWW if boomie doesn’t work out resto & moon bear are fun, cat I’m not really interested in. I think it’s a good fit for me since I’ll have to be casual for TWW.
Seriously, BM and Survival needs to swap, BM needs to be a melee class with pet summoning as a damage, this can allow BM to also become a tank class. makes the class lore friendly too! And make survival range DPS again, and deal damage with traps, DOTs and firebombs, poison etc. It is also possible to play as a support class, where they can throw out healing darts or AOE heals here and there and then can shoot enraging shots to increase haste to 1 person, just like power infusion for priest.
I am sad about BM. I main'd it in S1 of DF - and its just so casual to play it makes it just fun to hop around and DPS. Its just fun. I hope they improve it. Well, on to Resto/Ele in TWW. I will mostly healing in S1 of TWW.
You guys seem not to get the point of the video. It highlights the best and worst only. Everything not listed here the creator considers not one of those two.
Personally, Ele Shaman feels good and now has an additional proc chance on their mastery, and Blizzard finally gave them a raid-wide shaman buff, which gives everyone in the raid a windfury effect so they will be sought after to some extent.
Looking at Demonology Warlock summoning all kinds of cool demons feel so cool. Meanwhile, Druid's Keeper of the Grove is using treants that are introduced back in Burning Crusade. What a joke.
@@Sly_404 Yeah, leaning more towards Ret ATM, just for the increased survivability from Ret's toolkit. Especially coming from BM which falls over at the suggestion of rot damage 😂 Yes, the Hunter defensives are getting buffed, but I don't think it'll help with fights along the lines of say Mythic Dathea, where there's just constant ticking AoE damage on everyone. BM will still sorely lack in the self-sustain department I fear.
BM needs better animations. Beasts should summon from off camera, pounce in from above, or have some kind of summoning animation similar to Warlock. Maybe a nature themed portal or something. Fading in out of thin air is terrible. Cobra Strike looks dated and odd. Barbed Shot is so lackluster. Make it cause a big bleed animation when it lands. Or, you could drop summoning extra temporary pets entirely, and focus on making your one/two pets become massive unstoppable looking beasts.
The sad part that we literally had beasts (dragons) pounce out of thin air in all Dragonflight as the mounts, their animation looks sick, they dont just appear, they materialize in and do a pounce as the just jumped off camera, as you mentioned. And even the demo lock animations, the felguard just runs in from nowhere as diabolist.
I remember when the beta first started everyone was saying Voidweaver was god tier. Did they nerf it/kill it off or something or is everything else just better?
What about for BM hunters... How about they give us a good large set of "Pets" we can tame and then customize them and make them unique and larger pets instead of them shrinking so drastically
On one hand you love the CDR in the MM hero trees, on the other hand you don't like barbed shot resets from Dark Ranger. You are aware that casting barbed shot reduces the CD of Beastial Wrath?
Its weird that bm hunter is one of the least visually appeasing specs and thrn you have demonology that is one of the most satisfying. Both pet based classes and so far apart on the spectrum
what ever is op now will be nerfed after the world first race and what ever is bad will be buffed so do you want to play something thats going to get nerfed hard or big time buffed anyone else having problems deciding on what to play besides me?
disagree, ele practically didnt change for ages. I think since MOP we are playing almost same LB spam as it is now. And currently strongest build on beta again. There is this weird lightning vs fire split it doesnt make sense Its elemental shaman why are we playing only one element? we are not fire mage. if nothing else it should atleast focus more on lightning since no other spec use lightnings
BM has Cobra shot, it looks terrible and has looked terrible since it was introduced, it looks like a green crayon that weaves (ridiculously) through the air to the target and it annoys the hell out of me so much i haven't played BM ever since. I spent the entire history of the game up to that point maining BM Hunter but Cobra shot bothers me so much i had to move all my Hunters to MM. Good to see MM is in a better space than it was for quite awhile and i'm looking forward to playing it in TWW.
im really sad because balance druid has been cast to the wayside again. They say they work on us first because we're "complicated" but they end up doing a mediocre job and be like "ok that's good enough, let's move on to the other specs" LAZY! It's bland and boring and WEAK!
Great take. I agreeee with all of it xD Except hunters, but thats just cause i have no idea what im talking about. Never played hunter Keep making great content!
Well, was a soft "ranged dps" view point. Since you only talked about 6 ranged classes, i guess that was because you only focused your experiences on those 6. Interesting point of view ( i still find BM hunter fun 😂 ).
You have really good suggestions. But an issue I see is that you're not considering pvp. Even though pvp isn't as popular as pve, they will still balance for pvp as well. You can't fire multiple orbital beams after one another in pvp, that'd be broken af for druid, as an example.
All druid specs suck. i'll say it again though. let boomkins proc spawn little spectral moonkin dudes (instead of trees) like demo imps that fire moonfires. Who doesnt want an army of little moonkins running around after them
But atleast we are not the worst spec anymore. Now less confusion between rapture and seed on cleave/aoe. Not a fan of rapture either but atleast performance will be significantly better overall. Now only good afflocks top charts and bis trinkets are must to do even ok singletarget on m+
Moonkin is so bad in warwithin. LOL!!!!! Pulsar removal = just delete the class already from the wow database. Moonkin cant do dmg without their incarn and pulsar since the class is a caster class with a slow ramp. Old playstyle. Mage/MM hunter wins for this new expansion while people will most likely not be playing if they favor 2 range dps class only and the rest is ass.
Not a single melee on the list? I guess its really down bad in The War Within LOL! Even though Blizzard has forgotten about melee its nice that VesperalTV hasn't forgotten about us casuals, really loved seeing the abilities on the screen so thankyou for doing that! Super nice touch!
Winners
00:15 Arcane Mage
02:31 Fire Mage
04:19 Marksman Hunter
06:17 Demonology Warlock
Losers
07:53 Balance Druid
10:06 Beastmaster Hunter
saver
Ah yes. All ranged specs. Glad we got to see aff destro frost and voker in this
@@Starchyyyy Seems reasonable to think that specs not mentioned in the video weren't considered fun by the reviewer, but not so terrible as to be on the "losers" list.
@@Starchyyyy and you didnt even remember ele yourself sooo
Timestamps my dude
Oooooorrrr just watch the video for entertainment?
@@dwseagle17no i just wanna know about lock and mage.
It’s a 12 minute video lmao is your attention span that fried
@@dwseagle17nope insta dislike, it's 2024 and there are some YT standards
Please
Glad to see arcane getting a ton of love. I hope it stays strong as more tuning comes. Looks pretty fun to play from what I’ve seen on the beta.
Shadow Priest :
Am I a joke to you?
Exactly, i am missing the voidweaver! Ooorr, it is just too op, and nobody is trying it out because it will be a sleeper op hit?
There’s a literal plethora of content about voidweaver on RUclips
Elemental shaman was missing too. Guess we’re not ranged dps.
I was wandering the same thing. Only came for shadow priest
You guys seem not to get the point of the video. It highlights the best and worst only. Everything not listed here the creator considers not one of those two.
Mages continue being main characters of WoW
are y kidding
And they probably always will be.
I think you mean paladin
@@rainy3527 paladins got a huge nerf in TWW
@@gustavrus in what way?
Super insightful video - thank you!
Keep those videos coming! Greatly enjoying them, got yourself a new sub!
We’re just ramping! Really appreciate that❤️
Make BM hunters summon Epicus Maximus, the shark with a lazer and 2 rockets that has a dinosaur on top that carries an undead. An actual real NPC by the way, not making it up.
Great video as always!
I had a feeling that we'd see mage in the video but good lord Diabolist demo lock has probably some of the sickest visuals in the game as it stands right now!
Imagine if we see the same pet treatment for a spec like BM hunter, like being able to summon animals of different sorts like a zoo keeper kind of style and not only from our stables, see that could be amazing!
Agreed about balance druid changes. They always do our stuff too early every expansion (often as a display at blizzcon and such), do it wrong, then forget us, leaving us cobbled together with wonky gameplay.
We keep playing bc we love the fantasy of it all but... sigh.
Gutted about boomkin.. will still main it and hope for changes
i trust Naguura most on boomkin, waiting for a rundown later, they keep changing stuff though she pretty much says the same as this too
@@theloa7154
Naguura and Tettle's influence on balance druid completely eviscerated Spec's true playability.
Always play what you love. If your not enjoying it anymore a break is ok. Classes come and go in their time in the light, but stay true to what you love
You had your time to shine in DF and I’m sure you’ll be back :) now let arcan mage, MM hunter and hopefully ele shaman have their spotlight 😊
We only had time in the sun because of our tier sets, our spec has been in the gutters for years because of eclipse @@fn3967
Feel the same about arcane. It's such a fast paced, proc machine at the moment
friendly suggestion: please add timestamps to your videos
dude, these thumbnails are awesome!
thanks man!
great video man, thanks
Blizz can make bm hunters a ‘vehicle’ test subject: abilities/cooldowns to build charges to spend on a ‘legendary’ pet summon, a vehicle mechanic where the hunter mount a pet vehicle that does special attacks.
That’s literally tyrant in shadowlands and vehicle will never happen until the random disconnect bug with vehicles is fixed
For the first time ever I might main mage, arcane looks stunning this xpac
Mage looks fun! Especially a mobile arcane spec!
I've been maining Druid for DF and i'm super depressed with the lack of changes for guardian and balance, man it feels bad. Guardian tree hasn't been touched as far as i'm aware, and the alune hero talents don't even add any new animations with like the arcane thrash. and balance is you know... in the dirt.
I feel like the moon build for bear looks quite fun but yeah moonkin is down bad
@@VesperalTV yeah i agree, but that talent tree needs to be reworked at the very least give us more points to play with like they've done to most other classes, and add the damn arcane animation for thrash at the very least, as far as boomy? it just need completely reworked imo
as a former boomkin, it is sad to see the state it is in now.
on the plus side, bear is fun!
Funny that you said that hunters are tricky to made visually appealing cause I was saying the same for many years! And then I played bard in FFXIV!
Having mained holy priest forever & never played boomkin I quite like it, I’ve decided to main Druid for TWW if boomie doesn’t work out resto & moon bear are fun, cat I’m not really interested in. I think it’s a good fit for me since I’ll have to be casual for TWW.
Seriously, BM and Survival needs to swap, BM needs to be a melee class with pet summoning as a damage, this can allow BM to also become a tank class. makes the class lore friendly too!
And make survival range DPS again, and deal damage with traps, DOTs and firebombs, poison etc. It is also possible to play as a support class, where they can throw out healing darts or AOE heals here and there and then can shoot enraging shots to increase haste to 1 person, just like power infusion for priest.
As a mage main since WOTLK I’m super excited for TWW
Arcane, Fire and Frost it's amazing, mage is pure art.
Demonology look nice, but I miss 5 shards with de big demon, feels super slow, IDK.
I am sad about BM. I main'd it in S1 of DF - and its just so casual to play it makes it just fun to hop around and DPS. Its just fun. I hope they improve it. Well, on to Resto/Ele in TWW. I will mostly healing in S1 of TWW.
You left out voidweaver SP what happened lol I thought you were in love with it? Anyway thanks for the content as always you're a legend
Am I the only one who think Arcane's arcane orbs look super lame?
Everyone likes the dark brooding classes like warlock and such but ... totally forgot elemental shaman existed apparently ...
You guys seem not to get the point of the video. It highlights the best and worst only. Everything not listed here the creator considers not one of those two.
Personally, Ele Shaman feels good and now has an additional proc chance on their mastery, and Blizzard finally gave them a raid-wide shaman buff, which gives everyone in the raid a windfury effect so they will be sought after to some extent.
Hearing nothing on Ele shams after the changes. Have any thoughts on that?
They should have made pack leader into something to do with spirit beasts.
Looking at Demonology Warlock summoning all kinds of cool demons feel so cool. Meanwhile, Druid's Keeper of the Grove is using treants that are introduced back in Burning Crusade. What a joke.
Current BM main here atm, and seriously looking at either Ret or WW for TWW...
Can't go wrong with either to be honest. Both look great in TWW.
@@Sly_404 Yeah, leaning more towards Ret ATM, just for the increased survivability from Ret's toolkit. Especially coming from BM which falls over at the suggestion of rot damage 😂
Yes, the Hunter defensives are getting buffed, but I don't think it'll help with fights along the lines of say Mythic Dathea, where there's just constant ticking AoE damage on everyone. BM will still sorely lack in the self-sustain department I fear.
after attempting to read some of the comments on this video i now understand why wow needs lfr
BM needs better animations.
Beasts should summon from off camera, pounce in from above, or have some kind of summoning animation similar to Warlock. Maybe a nature themed portal or something. Fading in out of thin air is terrible.
Cobra Strike looks dated and odd.
Barbed Shot is so lackluster. Make it cause a big bleed animation when it lands.
Or, you could drop summoning extra temporary pets entirely, and focus on making your one/two pets become massive unstoppable looking beasts.
The sad part that we literally had beasts (dragons) pounce out of thin air in all Dragonflight as the mounts, their animation looks sick, they dont just appear, they materialize in and do a pounce as the just jumped off camera, as you mentioned. And even the demo lock animations, the felguard just runs in from nowhere as diabolist.
Such a banger. Shame i cant decide what to play. You Malaysian coconut infused noodles with a sprinkle of saffron
I remember when the beta first started everyone was saying Voidweaver was god tier. Did they nerf it/kill it off or something or is everything else just better?
Shadow still plays very much the same, voidweaver is sick and definitely could’ve made the favourites but Archon ain’t all that
What about for BM hunters... How about they give us a good large set of "Pets" we can tame and then customize them and make them unique and larger pets instead of them shrinking so drastically
Brother, I’m so sad about moonkin lol - it’s the first time ever where I’m not even planning to play it as an alt let alone a main, sad times
Same bro:( theres potential with Elunes Chosen though
@@VesperalTV there’s huge potential with the theme of the class but design wise there seems to be absolutely nothing going on :(
Soooooo what about the specs that you didn't cover? How are these specs the winners and losers of TWW but you only talked about a handful of specs?
On one hand you love the CDR in the MM hero trees, on the other hand you don't like barbed shot resets from Dark Ranger. You are aware that casting barbed shot reduces the CD of Beastial Wrath?
Its weird that bm hunter is one of the least visually appeasing specs and thrn you have demonology that is one of the most satisfying. Both pet based classes and so far apart on the spectrum
Maybe..just maybe it is because hunters tame literal wildlife pets and warlocks summon fiends of the void literal demons as in DEMOnology lmao
It’s about pve only?
Hunter MM, Hunter BM, Fire mage or Arcane mage for M+ in TWW ( which is better?? ) and for raid S1 ?
Are u doing a melee one aswell?
Tuesday!
@@VesperalTV 😍
what ever is op now will be nerfed after the world first race and what ever is bad will be buffed so do you want to play something thats going to get nerfed hard or big time buffed anyone else having problems deciding on what to play besides me?
me bro i play dh and boomie balanced
You missed one, what about the Evokers?
Hey what a great video!
What is your weakaura for nameplates tho ? I know it but can't find it anymore!
How hard is arcane to play now?
Current DF Arcane? Hard.
TWW Arcane? Medium.
What addon are you using for nameplates, or it just a cutlstomized plater?
Elemental Shaman can easily be one of those winners after rework .
Great video though , keep it up
I still need time to test the new elemental more, so far i'm a little underwhelmed
Nah elemental is pretty much worse after the rework , i like how every casual says ele rework is good
you really think ele is good? i think they missed the mark completely
disagree, ele practically didnt change for ages. I think since MOP we are playing almost same LB spam as it is now. And currently strongest build on beta again. There is this weird lightning vs fire split it doesnt make sense Its elemental shaman why are we playing only one element? we are not fire mage. if nothing else it should atleast focus more on lightning since no other spec use lightnings
@@abdullahyousef3481 oh really ? :/ I really enjoyed playing it after rework and it was doing OP damage , maybe it's just me feeling like this 😶
MM Hunter bro! 🤤
But MM didn’t get their current tier set made into a talent is a major L
Yeah if they added this I’d be maining MM😂
That and SL season 3 tier set bonus would make mm hunter the best dps 😂
why leave so many specs out?
Fire was amazing and it went from top DPS to dumpster tier with one nerf.. they'll do the same to arcane. Mage might not be great on release :
Does anyone know how to get their UI to look like that? Looks great with so little clutter
its built in, just play around with edit mode
@@Rikitangoable ty, appreciate it
BM has Cobra shot, it looks terrible and has looked terrible since it was introduced, it looks like a green crayon that weaves (ridiculously) through the air to the target and it annoys the hell out of me so much i haven't played BM ever since. I spent the entire history of the game up to that point maining BM Hunter but Cobra shot bothers me so much i had to move all my Hunters to MM. Good to see MM is in a better space than it was for quite awhile and i'm looking forward to playing it in TWW.
im really sad because balance druid has been cast to the wayside again. They say they work on us first because we're "complicated" but they end up doing a mediocre job and be like "ok that's good enough, let's move on to the other specs" LAZY! It's bland and boring and WEAK!
For fiest time since vanklla alpha im maining lock
Lets GO!
YESSIR!
Wait, What about priest?
i guess ele shaman was missed too(forgot they exist)
The fire mage feels like crap honestly.. Having a bunch of small hitting Pyros is just not fun. I want a big massive dmg pyro like glacial spike..
sigh. I just leveled my boomkin to 70. and now it became one of the worst class to play in ww.
This video got Arcane nerfed!
Great take. I agreeee with all of it xD Except hunters, but thats just cause i have no idea what im talking about. Never played hunter
Keep making great content!
LOL Thankyou dude!
Where ele shaman 🤔🥲
It's not on the best nor in the worst category. Crazy how many don't even get the base premise of these videos.
Destro and aff are more fun and better than demo
bro forgot elemental shaman
dang and here I was thinking about maining Boomkin going into the War Within ... lol may have to rethink this
Well, was a soft "ranged dps" view point. Since you only talked about 6 ranged classes, i guess that was because you only focused your experiences on those 6. Interesting point of view ( i still find BM hunter fun 😂 ).
"I tested every ranged dps on the beta"
Well that was a lie
You have really good suggestions. But an issue I see is that you're not considering pvp.
Even though pvp isn't as popular as pve, they will still balance for pvp as well.
You can't fire multiple orbital beams after one another in pvp, that'd be broken af for druid, as an example.
Shadow priest?
OOPS HAHAHAHA
my BM omg so sad
So skipping ele sham huh?
He skipped a lot of the casters, the video's just the best and worst 🤷♂️
All druid specs suck. i'll say it again though. let boomkins proc spawn little spectral moonkin dudes (instead of trees) like demo imps that fire moonfires. Who doesnt want an army of little moonkins running around after them
Delete the arcane segment please, i don't want others to find out
Ele sham? :'(
Aff terrible because of rapture
But atleast we are not the worst spec anymore. Now less confusion between rapture and seed on cleave/aoe. Not a fan of rapture either but atleast performance will be significantly better overall. Now only good afflocks top charts and bis trinkets are must to do even ok singletarget on m+
Moonkin is so bad in warwithin. LOL!!!!! Pulsar removal = just delete the class already from the wow database. Moonkin cant do dmg without their incarn and pulsar since the class is a caster class with a slow ramp. Old playstyle. Mage/MM hunter wins for this new expansion while people will most likely not be playing if they favor 2 range dps class only and the rest is ass.
half of the ranged dps are not here
Because it’s the winners and losers
bald xdd
xdd
Not a single melee on the list? I guess its really down bad in The War Within LOL! Even though Blizzard has forgotten about melee its nice that VesperalTV hasn't forgotten about us casuals, really loved seeing the abilities on the screen so thankyou for doing that! Super nice touch!
It's a "ranged" DPS list
Read title my friend
Melee video on Tuesday!
These responses kill me 😂😂😂
Wow players are quite slow.